California Drought

[Joker]

I'm the equipment manager on the project

Cranes, excavators ect

I just finished doing all the crack repair on the tanks. Was there since June working for Julio.

 

[smallblocksperry]

I just finished doing all the crack repair on the tanks. Was there since June working for Julio.

Nice, that little fucker quit a couple weeks ago

 

[was thatguy]

Hi Tex!

Do you know how deep the aquifer in Texas is that you posted about?

Curious, because I am frankly sort of shocked at the lack of current regs and studies here for the exact reasons you mention.

 

[Joker]

Nice, that little fucker quit a couple weeks ago

Yup. He's doing good now. Jesse took over once he left.

 

[Old Texan]

Hi Tex!

Do you know how deep the aquifer in Texas is that you posted about?

Curious, because I am frankly sort of shocked at the lack of current regs and studies here for the exact reasons you mention.

Excerpted from the FAQ section of the Edwards Aquifir site......From how I read it, it really doesn't call out actual depths. You will understand more of what they are talking about though....

On the news they always report the Aquifer level in feet above mean sea level. Does this measure how far down it is until you hit water at the water table?

No. Generally, confined aquifers do not have water tables. The Edwards limestone is confined between two relatively impermeable formations and is always saturated; the only place where a water table exists is near the recharge zone where there are no overlying layers (see graphic in Intro Section). The "Aquifer level" reported on the news has nothing to do with how far down it is until you hit water in the main body of the Aquifer. It is a measure of how much pressure is being exerted on water in the formation at the location of the test well. When recharge enters the Aquifer, its weight exerts pressure on water already inside. This pressure forces water up through openings such as springs and wells. The "Aquifer level" indicates the top of the water surface in the test well, which is hundreds of feet above the actual Edwards limestone. A good "indicator well" is one that never becomes artesian...water is never forced so high that it flows out without pumping. See the section on the J-17 index well for a graphic that illustrates what the Aquifer level means.

http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/

http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/aquifer-data-and-maps/j17-data
http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/index.html

 

[PrimeCut]

Holy Shit, worst I've seen it.

We just passed the lowest point ever, since the lake was filled in the 30's and supposed to drop another 6 feet by summer

 

[500bbc]

California used nearly 5 billion gallons of water to save six fish
poorrichardsnews.com



Not six types of fish, mind you. Six fish. Total.

From Manteca Bulletin:


Correspondence between the National Marine Fisheries Service and Congressman Jeff Denham?s office shows the Bureau of Reclamation wants to flush as much as 15,000 acre feet of water down the Stanislaus River in order to ?save? six fish.

In an email Sunny Snider of the federal fish protection agency sent to Denham Chief of Staff Jason Larrabee, it indicated a previous pulse flow in March that significantly raised water levels on the Stanislaus River through Ripon despite being in the middle of a severe drought had moved out 76 percent of the out-migrating steelhead by March 30.

The email stated that National Marine Fisheries Services (NMFS) only expects 29 out-migrating steelhead a year and that their plan was to release 30,000 acre feet by the end of April to help them reach the Delta.

That means there are six steelhead left that the Bureau ordered South San Joaquin Irrigation District and Oakdale Irrigation District to release water this week to help on their journey. The 15,000 acre feet of water based on a statewide per capita use average could supply 174,301 Californians with water for a year to the combined populations of Tracy and Santa Barbara. Combined with last month?s pulse flow release, the 30,000 acre feet of water is the equivalent of the combined annual water needs of the cities of Stockton, Lathrop, Ripon, and Escalon.

And even if the six steelhead do make it to the Delta there is no guarantee they will survive to make it to the San Francisco Bay and then the Pacific Ocean.


Surprised?

 

[EmpirE231]

I'll take the drought more seriously, once the halt all production and planning of the bullet train... and divert resources and money towards solving the "drought" problem. :finger

 

[Rvrluvr]

As most of you know, I've spent the last 30 years in the oil and gas drilling business in different capacities.

Now I am drilling irrigation wells in SoCal for the huge orchards.
There is a LONG waiting list, and what I consider pretty lax regs thus far.

These growers will pay around a quarter to a half million bucks per well, one outfit needs 45 wells ASAP.

I've been trying hard to research geologicals on these aquifers (multiple aquafers produced in each well) to find any
valid data, but it always seems to lead to bias.

But these growers are huge corporations, they would not be spending 20 million for 45 wells for a relatively small
portion of acreage if they hadn't done their research.
They are even willing to pay in advance just to get penciled in.
I'm trying to get set up with a couple of them to finance a rig and corner the market. My buddy and I just drilled one using oil field drilling practices and chopped 50% off the drilling time as compared to what they have been getting for
their money.

Point is that residential water is what needs figured out, the growers are already taking action for themselves before the State fucks their shit up worse.

I am busy as fuck delivering the rock you guys put in these wells. One customer in Dinuba is taking 15-20 loads a week alone. 👍

 

[wsuwrhr]

I am busy as fuck delivering the rock you guys put in these wells. One customer in Dinuba is taking 15-20 loads a week alone. 

I thought you didn't haul rock.

 

[Rvrluvr]

I thought you didn't haul rock.

"I" dont 👍

 

[wsuwrhr]

I am busy as fuck delivering the rock you guys put in these wells. One customer in Dinuba is taking 15-20 loads a week alone. 

"I" dont 

"I" see.

 

[was thatguy]

I am busy as fuck delivering the rock you guys put in these wells. One customer in Dinuba is taking 15-20 loads a week alone. 

Had 2 truck loads with pups dilivered yesterday!

 

[Sbarry]

Great article that pretty much tells the story of bureaucratic political ineptitude.....

Ironically they now want to recover what they let run away......Environmentalists destroy far more than they save and are too arrogant to begin to understand it.

Another one for the masses... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ue-in-calif-water-shortage/?intcmp=latestnews

 

[Uncle Dave]

2 big new water projects could solve Californias and the western US's water problem for good.


1. Take the outlet of the Columbia and pipe it down. On a yearly average it dumps about 265,000 cubic feet per second - right into the ocean.
2. Take the outlet of the Mississippi and pump it back across the country. Its average is about 200K c/f/s of fresh water -right into the ocean.

Once you could totally fill the colorado system from top to bottom you could theoretically shut it off for a few years

problem solved

Big checks to cut though- big benefits.

UD

 

[LuckyDaze]

Nailed It!!!

Columbia River, Or/Wash boarder.....12,000,000 gal/sec to ocean in peak season....400 miles to Lake Shasta and the Calif Water system.....

Alaska...Canada...???? All Close and have the water needed.

Stay away from our water! Eastern Wa was just put up as in a drought. We don't haven't had enough snow pack to keep things going. Western Wa is doin alright, but its been gettin dryer and dryer.

I think its funny, SoCal is a desert, so they built the Ca aquaduct to drain NorCal... So, now that SoCal has all this water coming to them they plant all these non indigenous plants, and lots of grass, then start growing in area's that wouldn't support it naturally. Of course, utilizing ditch irrigation and spraying it over the ground wich is very freaken wasteful. And now all of a sudden the water is running low! Well NO SHIT!

How about SoCal starts acting like the ecology it is... a freaken desert! Its amazing what can be grown through underground irrigation as well as drip irrigation. Uses less water too! How hard is it to knock off the freaken grass and stop planting all these water hungry plants along the side of the freeway.

When I moved away they were just starting to plant along the 210 freeway... with you guessed it, water hungry plants. Then they started irrigating it like crazy, spraying water over ground so much that it ran down the streets.

Way to go! Im so glad I got the hell out of that god for saken state. :finger

 

[Backlash]

Hahaha!! Been to Vegas lately L.D.???

Talk about wasteful!

 

[dread Pirate]

Humboldt County is actually doing great on water. 93% of average and my groundwater is far better than the last 2 years at this time. We don't depend on snowpack though. The rivers are going to be in a bad way and considering how low the lakes are even now, it's going to be a hard summer. The Trinity Alps are bare of snow and the lake is 100' down and dropping. It's barely spring and only 1 boat ramp is still in the water.

No snow and the Eel River is being pumped into Mendocino for grape irrigation, no snowpack for the Klamath and Trinity. Salmon vs water wars are about to begin,,,,,

I did add another 10,000 gallons of water storage over the winter. :thumbsup

 

[Uncle Dave]

Stay away from our water!

You aren't doing anything to stop it from dumping into the ocean- at what point is it no longer "yours"?


UD

 

[LuckyDaze]

You aren't doing anything to stop it from dumping into the ocean- at what point is it no longer "yours"?


UD

Once it's in the ocean and in the desalination plants then Cali can have it. If we pipe it all down to Ca, when we need it it'll be gone. Why would Washington state want to inherit SoCal's inability to control its water usage?

 

[nowski]

Lets see how these play out... California 2014 propositions 1 & 2.

 

[pronstar]

I did add another 10,000 gallons of water storage over the winter. :thumbsup

I've always wondered....how do you keep it fresh?

Do you treat it in the storage tank, or as it flows from the tank to your faucet?

Or...?

 

[dread Pirate]

I've always wondered....how do you keep it fresh?

Do you treat it in the storage tank, or as it flows from the tank to your faucet?

Or...?

Spring water is fed through a sealed system and stored in 2500 gallon poly tanks. Have a sediment and charcoal filter setup. Never has a chance for anything living to get in it. I've had my water tested at various times of the year and it's always excellent quality. Gets a little acidic when it snows.

 

[dread Pirate]

I also pull water from a creek during the winter to help cover my ag usage during the summer. This year I have only pulled when it's raining and still filled all my tanks. Almost 20,000 gallons worth. I use this water for the garden, orchards, landscaping etc. Also for the horses and chickens if I need it when the springs get slow. I'll dump some chlorine in these tanks every once in awhile to keep the mosquitos away, but no issues with other bacteria etc.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Once it's in the ocean and in the desalination plants then Cali can have it. If we pipe it all down to Ca, when we need it it'll be gone. Why would Washington state want to inherit SoCal's inability to control its water usage?

Im not talking about tapping upstream - that water has claims on it.

Im talking about the water your state is letting trillions of gallons of dump into the ocean.

Im talking about tapping the mouth of river - there are no more claims on water dumping into the ocean.

UD

 

[dread Pirate]

Interesting article. Doubt So-Cal will want to pay what Washington wants for it's water considering their rates are the highest in the country. Fresno has the lowest rates in the state somehow? :cool

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/rain-soaked-seattle-has-nations-highest-water-bills/


I still say De-Sal plants are the answer for Southern California. And cover up the damn aqueduct....

 

[Rvrluvr]

Im not talking about tapping upstream - that water has claims on it.

Im talking about the water your state is letting trillions of gallons of dump into the ocean.

Im talking about tapping the mouth of river - there are no more claims on water dumping into the ocean.

UD

Just put a 90* at the end of the pipe & send it on down👍

 

[Uncle Dave]

Just put a 90* at the end of the pipe & send it on down

Thats pretty much it.

Tapping the mouth lets every claim holder get their allotment so no one can cry foul and it'd just be wasted otherwise.

That'd pretty much solve the problem on its own.

UD

 

[pronstar]

CA needs random emergencies, so the .gov can enact new taxes to save us.