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CA FAIR Plan - Potential Fire Losses $24 Billion Has Less Than $1 Billion in Reserves

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The CA FAIR Plan does not have anywhere near the funds in reserves to pay for losses from these fires. Looks like CA will have to be bailed out due to their negligence and incompetence. Great job Newsom!
 

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Newscum is already getting bailed out by Biden...
We are going to get hit twice. CA taxes go up, fed spends money they don’t have.
For the next six months, the federal government will pay for 100% of the disaster response costs from the wildfires destroying neighborhoods across the greater Los Angeles area.
 

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The CA FAIR Plan does not have anywhere near the funds in reserves to pay for losses from these fires. Looks like CA will have to be bailed out due to their negligence and incompetence. Great job Newsom!
Call it an average of $4M/property for the palisades fire, x 5000 gone (palisades fire numbers that I'm seeing)....That's $20B on it's own....not counting the higher priced stuff, and not counting the Eaton fire and all the others. This is gonna be $100B by the time it's done, if not more. It's all gonna be fucked
 

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Call it an average of $4M/property for the palisades fire, x 5000 gone (palisades fire numbers that I'm seeing)....That's $20B on it's own....not counting the higher priced stuff, and not counting the Eaton fire and all the others. This is gonna be $100B by the time it's done, if not more. It's all gonna be fucked
the 4 million comes from the value of the home sitting on very pricey land.

The rebuild cost will be much less than the homes previous value.

The loss is still going to be enormous.

I have no idea what's going to happen to California's Insurance market. What was terrible before is either going to be unavailable or unaffordable moving forward.
 

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Well, now that Newsom pissed away $50 billion for the train to nowhere and they can’t even get the train from Knotts Berry Farm on it. Maybe I’ll just bury that under and use the rest of the bond money that the dumbass voters voted for to help with this situation.
 

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Well, now that Newsom pissed away $50 billion for the train to nowhere and they can’t even get the train from Knotts Berry Farm on it. Maybe I’ll just bury that under and use the rest of the bond money that the dumbass voters voted for to help with this situation.
More like 88-128 BILLION 😡😡 And not a single penny being spent on new infrastructure for water… insanity!! And they want to dry up 1.5 million acres of the best farm ground in the country… :(
 

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They wanted to be in the insurance industry now its time to pay up. Gas tax will go up taxes in general will go up and they will find any reason not to pay because your property was overgrown or because you had firewood too close to the house something
 

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Don't worry, fellas. The bureaucrats are on it.


Even though the insurers are already losing their asses because of the Commissioner, he's going to keep squeezing.
 

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the 4 million comes from the value of the home sitting on very pricey land.

The rebuild cost will be much less than the homes previous value.

The loss is still going to be enormous.

I have no idea what's going to happen to California's Insurance market. What was terrible before is either going to be unavailable or unaffordable moving forward.
I guess it will depend on the homes being built, but I would imagine most will be $2m plus. Prices are not low and this won't help anything.
 

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I guess it will depend on the homes being built, but I would imagine most will be $2m plus. Prices are not low and this won't help anything.
I think the fair plan caps at $3mil in coverage.
 

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Haha, right now the politicians of Southern California are trying to figure out how they can profit on this.....guaranteed! Wait for it, I guarantee there will be some programs or entitlements that will be created for fire victims, but those victims will see little from it. I could see something being created so the victims have to or are recommend to use certain contractors or such and those contractors will need to provide back door money to get those contracts. LA has become so corrupt, I just envision social service profiting on this. They can't let all that money go to those that lost their homes....
 

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Call it an average of $4M/property for the palisades fire, x 5000 gone (palisades fire numbers that I'm seeing)....That's $20B on it's own....not counting the higher priced stuff, and not counting the Eaton fire and all the others. This is gonna be $100B by the time it's done, if not more. It's all gonna be fucked
Well see, there's the rub. It was pricey land, but now it toxic contaminated land with a few standing homes surrounded by burned out ruins. It ain't worth shit IMO. Would you wanna live there and pay $3M for a plot of burned dirt without commitments from everyone else to make it a nice neighborhood again? I wouldn't. So...it's worthless at this point. Oh....and you'd better bring cash for the plot of lousy dirt and to build your new house, cuz nobody is gonna insure you so financing is off the table.

A developer buying up the whole burned area is about the only way I can see this working at all....and even then, we still sit on the insurance issue.

That said, people have had their shit burn down and rebuild and wash/rinse/repeat for years....maybe stupidity wins here....who knows.
 
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Why would any company offer insurance in those areas again?
 

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Why would any company offer insurance in those areas again?
Well for one thing, for the next almost 10 years there's going to be very little to burn. At least that's the way it was in for us, but about 10 years later, after we rebuilt, the insurance company who's President stood for a photo-op in our driveway, canceled our asses. 🥴
 

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Why would any company offer insurance in those areas again?
CA government is trying to pass legislation that will force insurance companies to offer insurance and cap what they can charge.
 

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Thought I heard on radio if the fair plan was to go bankrupt. That the balance of claims unpaid would be distributed between other insurers in the state.
 

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I thought you all would like to read about the malfeasance of the insurance commission and why insurers are pulling out of California.


Insurance Commissioner Lara issued an edict yesterday that no insurer may cancel a policy for the coming twelve months. That'll lock in further losses for insurers, and unless the commission allows rate increases so premiums cover losses, those insurers will continue to exit the market.

It's ugly, but you can't expect the companies to stick around when they're losing money on every claim.
 
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Thought I heard on radio if the fair plan was to go bankrupt. That the balance of claims unpaid would be distributed between other insurers in the state.
That's correct. The government's solution to the problem they created by refusing reasonable rate increases was to construct FAIR, underfund it, and if losses overwhelmed the program, insurance companies would have to pick up the balance.

You think insurers are going to stick around after this $100 billion plus disaster?
 

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That's correct. The government's solution to the problem they created by refusing reasonable rate increases was to construct FAIR, underfund it, and if losses overwhelmed the program, insurance companies would have to pick up the balance.

You think insurers are going to stick around after this $100 billion plus disaster?
Definitely have concerns about the future of home ownership policy availability and rates.
 

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Well see, there's the rub. It was pricey land, but now it toxic contaminated land with a few standing homes surrounded by burned out ruins. It ain't worth shit IMO. Would you wanna live there and pay $3M for a plot of burned dirt without commitments from everyone else to make it a nice neighborhood again? I wouldn't. So...it's worthless at this point. Oh....and you'd better bring cash for the plot of lousy dirt and to build your new house, cuz nobody is gonna insure you so financing is off the table.

A developer buying up the whole burned area is about the only way I can see this working at all....and even then, we still sit on the insurance issue.

That said, people have had their shit burn down and rebuild and wash/rinse/repeat for years....maybe stupidity wins here....who knows.
The smallest properties in Pacific Palisades are worth 2.5 to 3 mil burned to the ground and there are people lined up to buy them. Most of my customers pay 3.2-3.5 mil for Palisades properties that are total tear downs. The new builds are 8-9,000 s/f with full basements and a pool. They sell for between 8.5 to 12 mil depending on quality and design.
 

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The smallest properties in Pacific Palisades are worth 2.5 to 3 mil burned to the ground and there are people lined up to buy them. Most of my customers pay 3.2-3.5 mil for Palisades properties that are total tear downs. The new builds are 8-9,000 s/f with full basements and a pool. They sell for between 8.5 to 12 mil depending on quality and design.
It always amazes me just how much money is out there in this world and what people are willing to spend it on without batting an eye.
 

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And my small porch fire at my river pad that was under 100k took state farm 6 months to settle and pay out. After arguing and arguing and no response to voice mails or emails week after week, month after month of my house sitting there with damage, not being able to do a single thing on it.

I could only imagine a total loss with a huge dollar value
 
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