Bunker Bar - holy shitballs

[timstoy]

Jawbone canyon store usually have a band playing on big weekends and draw a pretty large crowd. The good thing is there’s many different trails out of there.

 

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Its busy because more people can be brought in with the SXS. It's nice non riders can experience stuff like this but man is it overwhelming. No way does it seem appealing to wait in a long line and over pay for beer, after putting in the time working to buy, maintain, transport, and store a SXS. I would go find a nice senic area and drink my own beer that only takes as long to get from going to the cooler. Bunker bar is still neat but on an off weekend.

 

[rivermobster]

They are the PWC's of the Desert, Period.

For a guy running a Jeep they absolutely suck to be around. I feel like I'm on a mountain road trying to find a turn out to let Mr 10'000 candle power of impatience go around.

Wonder if Jeanie is still living the Blythe Life? Miss ole Boardmanville.

She moved back east a few years ago now.

 

[185EZ]

Its busy because more people can be brought in with the SXS. It's nice non riders can experience stuff like this but man is it overwhelming. No way does it seem appealing to wait in a long line and over pay for beer, after putting in the time working to buy, maintain, transport, and store a SXS. I would go find a nice senic area and drink my own beer that only takes as long to get from going to the cooler. Bunker bar is still neat but on an off weekend.

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[DWC]

I didn’t realize that before SXS’s and PWC’s everyone paid cash for their toys. All the sand stuff at Glams, every bike, quad and Jeep paid for.

 

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[LargeOrangeFont]

SxS's do it on such a higher level it just gives the evironuts more ammo to close stuff down. Along with making the riding that much better for everyone. Just like a wake board boat does to the water.

SXS money and lobbying for. That industry is the only reason stuff has stayed open…

Follow the money.

 

[hallett21]

Some of y'all complain too much.

The waters too fucking wet

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I didn’t realize that before SXS’s and PWC’s everyone paid cash for their toys. All the sand stuff at Glams, every bike, quad and Jeep paid for.

All these people are typing that SXS are ruining the desert from their luxury RVs and toyhaulers with generators humming away

 

[ChrisV]

The waters too fucking wet

You think it's fine to bring sand guns here?

 

[rivermobster]

SXS money and lobbying for. That industry is the only reason stuff has stayed open…

Follow the money.

Ya know...

There is a whole world that existed WAY before you were born.

 

[hallett21]

You guys are gonna flip when you hear about the crowded bars on the Colorado river.

 

[Jed-O]

Some of you guys need to get laid.. lol

Right!? You should see the stain in my Jockeys!!!

 

[DWC]

You guys are gonna flip when you hear about the crowded bars on the Colorado river.

Topock and Pirates could learn a few things from Bunker. They have half the crowd and take twice as long for everything. We pulled up to Bunker yesterday at 1ish. Parked in the last row of the second lot. Walked up to find virtually no beer line. Longest we waited as maybe 5 mins for drinks. 10ish in the food line.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Topock and Pirates could learn a few things from Bunker. They have half the crowd and take twice as long for everything. We pulled up to Bunker yesterday at 1ish. Parked in the last row of the second lot. Walked up to find virtually no beer line. Longest we waited as maybe 5 mins for drinks. 10ish in the food line.

1000%

 

[Flying_Lavey]

SXS money and lobbying for. That industry is the only reason stuff has stayed open…

Follow the money.

I'm pretty sure Jeff @Sportin' Wood could shed way more insight into that since he was more involved in keeping Johnson Valley open than most people. And that battle occurred before the massive popularity of SxS's.

 

[OCMerrill]

SXS money and lobbying for. That industry is the only reason stuff has stayed open…

Follow the money.

I used to work for Honda dealership in La Habra back in the 80's. It was personal watercraft that saved them from going under.

So what your saying I don't doubt.

 

[OCMerrill]

Ya know...

There is a whole world that existed WAY before you were born.

Well your an expert sense nothing existed before you except father time and he was just a kid.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I used to work for Honda dealership in La Habra back in the 80's. It was personal watercraft that saved them from going under.

So what your saying I don't doubt.

Like them or not, that is where the money is to keep areas we enjoy open.

 

[rivermobster]

Well your an expert sense nothing existed before you except father time and he was just a kid.

That woulda been pretty funny if you had spelled it correctly!

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I'm pretty sure Jeff @Sportin' Wood could shed way more insight into that since he was more involved in keeping Johnson Valley open than most people. And that battle occurred before the massive popularity of SxS's.

We tried to organize the UTV/SXS community while I was working on the "Save the Hammers" stuff, as I was an investor in SXSPerformance.com and could see the potential for things to go sideways with the offroad version of Lake Lice. We absolutely failed to create a trade association for UTVs called the ISA, AKA International SXS Association.

We had OEM and aftermarket support, but the people buying had zero interest in the idea of an advocacy group. Perhaps we tried to boil the ocean, but I doubt you can pry a small membership fee from people who buy the toys on credit and don't seem to think about the future of their activities and access. Forget about following any best practices.

We did create a pretty damn good racing rule book that became the foundation for all the UTV racing, so not all was lost, but getting people to understand the noise these things make could become a problem was like talking to Helen Keller. It took about ten years, but now we are seeing places like Moab come down with heavy hands. If we had succeeded in organizing the ISA, UTV owners would have had a voice to defend access.

In so far as UTVs keeping trails open, I would be overwhelmingly surprised if UTV/SXS owners made any impact in keeping any trails open, but actually contributed significantly to land closures. We can thank the Jeepers and AMA members for doing the heavy lifting.

Disclaimer, I am a UTV owner.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm pretty sure Jeff @Sportin' Wood could shed way more insight into that since he was more involved in keeping Johnson Valley open than most people. And that battle occurred before the massive popularity of SxS's.

I’m talking the battles of today and now.

 

[rivermobster]

I'm pretty sure Jeff @Sportin' Wood could shed way more insight into that since he was more involved in keeping Johnson Valley open than most people. And that battle occurred before the massive popularity of SxS's.

Not to mention guys like phantomduck who changed the whole course of off roading forever.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ya know...

There is a whole world that existed WAY before you were born.

Ya know there is a whole worked that exits now that you aren’t aware of .

Hanging on to those glory days only gets you so far in today’s world unfortunately.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Not to mention guys like phantomduck who changed the whole course of off roading forever.

Legend........and Super Hunky.

 

[rivermobster]

Legend........and Super Hunky.

Never had the privilege of meeting the guy. And with the disappearances of gd.com, the documentation of what he did is mostly gone I'm thinking?

I'd sure like to shake the guys hand.

: bowdown:

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I’m talking the battles of today and now.

As I said, I would be shocked by the UTV industry impacting motorized recreation advocacy in a meaningful way.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

As I said, I would be shocked by the UTV industry impacting motorized recreation advocacy in a meaningful way.

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It would be a disservice to shareholders if these large corporations did nothing to lobby government on their behalf.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I’m talking the battles of today and now.

I have not heard a single word of Polaris, Bombardier, or anyother brand advocating or assisting with the battle that organizations like the AMA have been battling. I'm sure they have assisted some in Glamis, bot nothing much for the support of open desert.

 

[OCMerrill]

That woulda been pretty funny if you had spelled it correctly!

Siri is in a class all by her Artifical Intelgacense sellf.

 

[rivermobster]

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It would be a disservice to shareholders if these large corporations did nothing to lobby government on their behalf.

The Blue Ribbon Coalition was started in 1987.

Glory days for the win.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The Blue Ribbon Coalition was started in 1987.

Glory days for the win.

But I was alive then….

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have not heard a single word of Polaris, Bombardier, or anyother brand advocating or assisting with the battle that organizations like the AMA have been battling. I'm sure they have assisted some in Glamis, bot nothing much for the support of open desert.

Look harder I guess? There have been battles they have advocated for nationwide for over a decade.

It is just to advance their own interests, but they do it. They also advocate and lobby for street legalization of UTVs.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

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It would be a disservice to shareholders if these large corporations did nothing to lobby government on their behalf.

The Blue Ribbon Coalition does not Lobby. They will not do that for fear of losing their not-for-profit status, even thou legally, they can spend a limited percentage on lobbying. I went round and round with them during the JV fight. They were happy to take donations but would not write checks to Save The Hammers because we hired a legit DC lobby to win.

I'm not surprised they would "Join" a lawsuit, but they rarely pay for much except their employees' salary, which is debatable.

I am not a fan of BRC. Take a look at their tax returns and do your research, as they have had some BOD changes, but I still have bad feelings about them.

BRC is made up of multiple types of recreational users (lots of snow machine users); I wonder how much of their membership is UTVs?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I have not heard a single word of Polaris, Bombardier, or anyother brand advocating or assisting with the battle that organizations like the AMA have been battling. I'm sure they have assisted some in Glamis, bot nothing much for the support of open desert.

Kawasaki donated to Save the Hammers. They also planted seed money to support an advocacy association (ISA) and lent expertise to the cause.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Look harder I guess? There have been battles they have advocated for nationwide for over a decade.

It is just to advance their own interests, but they do it. They also advocate and lobby for street legalization of UTVs.

Who are you talking about when you say. "They"

 

[rivermobster]

But I was alive then….

Was that the year Robbie Gordon announced the Speed Car?





















Sorry. I couldn't help it!

 

[Sportin' Wood]

[stepping up on soup box]

HR1676, later bundled into the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), created precedence when it established the First Congressionally Designated OHV area in Johnson Valley. This means that any status changes would require "AN ACT OF CONGRESS."

For the life of me, I can't understand why the land use orgs are not building more of these protected status riding areas. It is the polar opposite of a wilderness designation yet carries the same weight.

I can only imagine it is because they all run on a shoestring and can't pay talented people to work on this stuff. God knows they could not afford me.

[/stepping down from soap box]

Quietly Stuart Gosswien is retiring from SEMA this year, he will be missed.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Look harder I guess? There have been battles they have advocated for nationwide for over a decade.

It is just to advance their own interests, but they do it. They also advocate and lobby for street legalization of UTVs.

Your references are a lawsuit that marginally effects access and the other to.a WOKE branch to satisfy the SJW type? Really? Fighting to street legalize UTV's? Is another reference? Sorry, but those are piddly little attempts to pacify some.

 

[Racey]

You guys are gonna flip when you hear about the crowded bars on the Colorado river.

At least you can look at G-Strings while you're waiting

 

[Ziggy]

They are the PWC's of the Desert, Period.

For a guy running a Jeep they absolutely suck to be around. I feel like I'm on a mountain road trying to find a turn out to let Mr 10'000 candle power of impatience go around.

Wonder if Jeanie is still living the Blythe Life? Miss ole Boardmanville.

Don't get me wrong, I dig my SxS. My preference is to ride the trail less traveled and explore. I enjoy the speed too but not all the time. You miss seeing cool stuff when you do.
My purpose is not trying to be Robbie Gordon.

 

[rivermobster]

[stepping up on soup box]

HR1676, later bundled into the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), created precedence when it established the First Congressionally Designated OHV area in Johnson Valley. This means that any status changes would require "AN ACT OF CONGRESS."

For the life of me, I can't understand why the land use orgs are not building more of these protected status riding areas. It is the polar opposite of a wilderness designation yet carries the same weight.

I can only imagine it is because they all run on a shoestring and can't pay talented people to work on this stuff. God knows they could not afford me.

[/stepping down from soap box]

Quietly Stuart Gosswien is retiring from SEMA this year, he will be missed.

Right?

This is the glaring difference between the left and the right...

The left gets organized and uses Everything in their power to accomplish their goals.

Just like on this board, the right sits around arguing with each other, accomplishing absolutely Nothing.

We have access to the same laws they do. It's a shame more is not being done.

 

[hman442]

Right?

This is the glaring difference between the left and the right...

The left gets organized and uses Everything in their power to accomplish their goals.

Just like on this board, the right sits around arguing with each other, accomplishing absolutely Nothing.

We have access to the same laws they do. It's a shame more is not being done.

Seems so. The "ridiculous" gun control law that just passed here in Oregon, had 1.2 million dollars advertising for it, and 70 thousand against it. The left apparently are better organized, unfortunately.

 

[DLC]

In the middle of nowhere Boardmanville managed just fine decades before quads & SxS's. Difference now being anyone can finance & purchase a SxS. There are tons of folks that never off-roaded before the advent of SxS's.

Been to Boardmanville many times!…. 85 250r and Mid engine buggy

Although if you couldn’t get under the train tracks it would die

totally different situation!

How many times have you been to the Iron Door or Cactus Jacks at salton sea

 

[Englewood]

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery.

 

[DMF]

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery.

Hahaha...not me.

 

[LHC Kirby]

Some of you guys would complain about winning a Speed car

Fixed it for ya . . . . .

 

[pixrthis]

I’m talking the battles of today and now.

Do you know anything about AMA? It’s been longer than SXS’s and has been active since the beginning.

 

[Racey]

Don't get me wrong, I dig my SxS. My preference is to ride the trail less traveled and explore. I enjoy the speed too but not all the time. You miss seeing cool stuff when you do.
My purpose is not trying to be Robbie Gordon.

I agree. The most awesome part about the sxs is the 4wd and you can carry beer.

Nothing more fun than winding up some old canyon, or some trail that is overgrown, and finding some cool spot that you've never been, or that nobody goes to.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Do you know anything about AMA? It’s been longer than SXS’s and has been active since the beginning.

Agreed.