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Flat spin, probably too low of air speed entering a turn?

A jet that big may even have a tendency to flat spin if you just stall it straight, they don't respond the same way as small planes do when flying outside the envelope
 

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I have never seen that. It's definitely a stall but to a flat spin! Almost like the pilot was pulling back on the yoke and left ruder pedal at the same time.
 

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I have never seen that. It's definitely a stall but to a flat spin! Almost like the pilot was pulling back on the yoke and left ruder pedal at the same time.
Yeah from the news and maybe a longer video the plane was in the dive and this may be as he’s starting to pull out of it.
 

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I didn’t make the circle.
 

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It is/was an ATR 72. Sounded funny on the video, possible a mishandled engine failure.
 

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It is/was an ATR 72. Sounded funny on the video, possible a mishandled engine failure.
Maybe like the one that crashed in Nepal. If I remember right, the FO missed the flap lever for the condition lever.
 

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to get into a flat spin, you almost have to have a center of gravity issue. aircraft are engineered to have a foreword CG to prevent this very thing.

i dont know anything about this aircraft, but most jets have muttiple fuel tanks that have to be managed in flight for balance reasons....i have even heard of fuel tanks in the tail for balance/CG.

something had to be very off for it to flat spin like this. even if you pulled full up elevator, with dead engines.....to a stall......if the nose doesnt drop.....you have a CG issue.
 

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I’m not an aviation expert, but news reports the plane made a rapid descent from 17,000 ft., for 2 minutes. Wouldn’t that be plenty of time to correct a pilot induced stall, like get nose down to increase air speed.

Would seem to be catastrophic mechanical malfunction. Just seems like 2 minutes should be plenty of time for a professional pilot and co pilot to regain control. Any case, very sad.
 

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I’m not an aviation expert, but news reports the plane made a rapid descent from 17,000 ft., for 2 minutes. Wouldn’t that be plenty of time to correct a pilot induced stall, like get nose down to increase air speed.

Would seem to be catastrophic mechanical malfunction. Just seems like 2 minutes should be plenty of time for a professional pilot and co pilot to regain control. Any case, very sad.
Once in a flat spin you’re pretty fucked, you don’t have sufficient airflow to create any control authority.

Sad deal.
 

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Transport category airplanes, even small ones like this, are very difficult to recover from a fully developed stall, and impossible if they developed any kind of spin. That is the primary reason these airplanes are equipped with multiple warnings systems and automation to keep them from getting to the point of aerodynamic stalls in the first place.

Bob Hoover on his best day couldn't get out of that spin.
 

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The latest news report is they had warnings of icing conditions in the area. No lift no fly.
 

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The latest news report is they had warnings of icing conditions in the area. No lift no fly.
even if there was enough ice on the wings to inhibit smooth airflow and the creation of lift....the aircraft should still nose over. significant ice on the tail....that would do it.
 

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Most de-icing systems are now pretty automatic. Removes the need for the pilots to decide if they have ice or not, usually when the shit has already hit the fan.

Almost too bad they didn’t have a parachute they could have deployed to yank them out of the flat spin, point the nose at the ground and then cut the chute and let airspeed and the wings recover in a straight dive.
 

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Years ago I spent alot of time exploring the Amazon rainforest flying in from Lima to equtos the pilot flew into a lightning storm hit the plane blew lites and the electronics landed on visual 🙏getting off the plane pilot is pale as a ghost chain smoking 🙄those guys are crazy
 

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Wow....tough way to go out..
Rip to the 62 passengers

What's the yellow circle indicating?
 

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ABC is floating a pic that appears to have a body in it, possibly a pilot.
 

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Juan Browne on Blancoliroio is a sharp feller. The vid above he says icing may be a factor...
 

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God damn that’s brutal. Tough way to go out
 

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Another angle

 

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ABC is floating a pic that appears to have a body in it, possibly a pilot.

The thumbnail for Blancolirio's YouTube video on the crash (shown above) look in the cockpit window, there is a white shirt clearly visible.
 
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