BLM Ranger shoots offroader

[DLC]

Off Roader Lives Matter!!!!!

Or is it

tax payers lives matter

citizens lives matter

or did that go a little to trump for some of y’all

 

[KENDOG689]

Center for biological diversity out of Tucson Arizona if I remember correctly.

Been a while but they had law suits filed everything.Blm should never have enforced it.

 

[KENDOG689]

Off Roader Lives Matter!!!!!

Or is it

tax payers lives matter

citizens lives matter

or did that go a little to trump for some of y’all

Thought only blacks had the privilege.

 

[DLC]

All lives matter!

Some get more ink than others...

 

[KENDOG689]

All lives matter!

Some get more ink than others...

Some don't work and protest instead.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Been a while but they had law suits filed everything.Blm should never have enforced it.

It wasn't an option for them not to.
A federal judge ruled in favor of the closure.
Luckily, after 14 years, their claims have been proven false and most is reopened.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Where to begin.
I hate to sound like a PR type, but since I wasn't there I want a lot more information before I will offer a final opinion on this...I've been bit in the behind doing so without all the facts...but my gut tells me this stinks. Bad.
There are specific policies and procedures in every Law Enforcement Agency Manual about discharging a firearm (using deadly force) and sub-policies that specifically address firing at a motor vehicle. Obviously, policies regarding deadly force are some of the most detailed policies an agency has, they are reviewed by attorneys, training staff, and are usually signed off on by the agency head before training begins to bring staff up to speed on the policy and how to implement it. I've been to multi day conferences where Training Managers spend a lot of time on these policies, and the documentation they create to validate that staff are trained and understand the policy.
There are situations where firing at a vehicle is a valid last resort, and I know of a couple. Personally.
It is a very narrow set of circumstances.. Very, very narrow.

As it should be.


This case is going to be a big deal, and it damn well should be. What we KNOW, right now, is that a BLM gun toter cleared leather with his or her duty weapon and fired at a Side By Side. We don't know how many shots where fired or if more cops fired,, but we know that at least one round fired, by this BLM employee, and that round struck the passenger of the Side By Side vehicle.
Not the driver, the person in control of the vehicle, the passenger.
It appears that the Riverside Sheriff's Dept. is handling the case. If this happened in San Bernardino County then SBCOSD personnel must have been there or they would be handing the investigation. Again, there is a whole lot we don't yet know.
I will look forward to hearing what threat the passenger presented to the BLM employee, and how he/she arrived at the decision to employ deadly force against the passenger. If the BLM employee fired at another target, then we have other problems...if the BLM employee believed the driver of the Side By Side was intentionally attempting to strike him or her with the Side By Side, why was the passenger targeted?
Did the BLM employee miss his/her intended target?
Was there a set of facts in place that would lead a trained officer to go to the top of the Use of Force continuum, and place them in a situation where deploying deadly force was an option that fell inside the policy of the agency? Does the agency have documentation of said policy, and documentation that the employee was trained to that policy, and do they have documentation that the employee maintained proficiency with his or her duty weapon?
All standard questions in these cases, and they better have the right answers.

The BLM employee will, I believe, will be required to provide a statement to the RCSO Detectives with counsel present, or may invoke his or her 5th amendment privilege if advised by counsel to do so. Since he is a federal officer I do not know if he is covered by the POBR, but I an sure there are procedures in place for taking his or her statement...if this employee refuses to do so, well...
RCSO will probably request that Riverside DA either conducts a parallel investigation or works closely with them. This would be normal, as the DA will ultimately make the decision on filing charges...if any...against anyone...BLM may also have a shooting team who responds to these types of cases and conducts the internal affairs investigation...that would also be standard.

So...we have some waiting ahead, waiting for FACTS to come to light.
And every singe person who recreates on Public Lands administered by the BLM has a vested interest in the outcome of this case. A specific vested interest.

I sincerely hope that all of the big off road organizations get involved in this and monitor the case, closely. and ask their political connections to do so as well.
ASA, CORVA, BRC, etc, all have a duty to their members to make sure that the case is handled correctly and the pertinent information made public as soon as practical.

This is a huge event. It will take a long time to put together, and a long time to shake out, and you can bet lawsuits will be filed. It will have an impact on the off road community and the relationship BLM has with that community for a long time, and will be far reaching...if I lived down there I would be contacting my local sate and federal representatives and ask that they monitor this case and keep me apprised of its developing facts. I would be writing them and calling them and become a pain in the ass.

I sincerely hope the people in this side by side have already contacted counsel, retained same, and have communicated with the RCSO about the evidence and the processing of the scene. I sincerely hope RCSO realizes how this case will be seen by the Off Road community.

I worked with a lot of agencies in my day, large ones, small ones, state agencies, federal agencies, hell even Scotland Yard once.
The vast majority of these people were consummate professionals. Well trained, intelligent, and with unshakeable integrity.

I will state that The Bureau of Land Management was not one of those agencies.

At this point I will simply say that I have bumped heads with BLM's "law enforcement" staff more than once and witnessed extremely poor performances that would have had me terminating them from their position had they been a trainee in my Field Training Officer Program...and these were not trainees...they were "senior" people.

Even if the situation proves to be one where the force used was appropriate, and applied within policy, BLM needs a major restructuring and has needed it for at least a decade, they need to learn how to be peace officers, and those incapable of meeting those standards culled from the agency. If this is what our representatives wish to continue to task them with. Frankly, I think that needs to be looked at again as well.
I think we all need to contact our elected officials and let them know how we see the BLM.
And continue contacting them until the BLM raises its level of professionalism several degrees, and demand they either become said professionals or seek employment elsewhere, preferably in another field..
This can be done, it isn't easy but it is done every day in cop shops all over the country. There needs to be a cultural shift in that agency. A big one. It won't happen overnight, but it needs to start...now.

 

[Danger Dave]

Nothing on Race Dezert or the D-37 board yet that I saw.

 

[KENDOG689]

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Think my kitchen floor needs to be done.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

The bad part is they missed the driver, and hit a passenger.

 

[KENDOG689]

The bad part is they missed the driver, and hit a passenger.

Still not sure why they have guns?There basically park rangers on a big park.Not Yogi approved.

 

[rivermobster]

It wasn't an option for them not to.
A federal judge ruled in favor of the closure.
Luckily, after 14 years, their claims have been proven false and most is reopened.

Pop quiz for you...

Remember the guys name at the CBD that was behind the whole Milkvetch deal?

Remember where he went after that whole mess ended?

Do you know where he is at now?












Daniel Patterson

Arizona politics

Currently employed at...

The mother fucking BLM of all places!!!

The man is a complete POS.

 

[cnj]

Pop quiz for you...

Remember the guys name at the CBD that was behind the whole Milkvetch deal?

Remember where he went after that whole mess ended?

Do you know where he is at now?












Daniel Patterson

Arizona politics

Currently employed at...

The mother fucking BLM of all places!!!

The man is a complete POS.

Why am I not surprised? A loser working at a government agency FULL of losers! Didn't ole Danny boy spend a brief time behind bars sometime after the Glamis milkvetch debacle? Something about domestic abuse???? Can't remember. A FINE human being, he is..........NOT!

 

[Joker]

Now i have another excuse not to spend 30k on a souped up golf cart.


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[Lunatic Fringe]

Pop quiz for you...

Remember the guys name at the CBD that was behind the whole Milkvetch deal?

Remember where he went after that whole mess ended?

Do you know where he is at now?












Daniel Patterson

Arizona politics

Currently employed at...

The mother fucking BLM of all places!!!

The man is a complete POS.

The U.S. Department of Interior actually.
The BLM is one of their bureaus but I don't know what he does beyond being called an ecologist.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer maybe.

He is an absolute tool for sure and I wonder if the employment is part of the settlement in his lawsuit.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

Where to begin.
I hate to sound like a PR type, but since I wasn't there I want a lot more information before I will offer a final opinion on this...I've been bit in the behind doing so without all the facts...but my gut tells me this stinks. Bad.
There are specific policies and procedures in every Law Enforcement Agency Manual about discharging a firearm (using deadly force) and sub-policies that specifically address firing at a motor vehicle. Obviously, policies regarding deadly force are some of the most detailed policies an agency has, they are reviewed by attorneys, training staff, and are usually signed off on by the agency head before training begins to bring staff up to speed on the policy and how to implement it. I've been to multi day conferences where Training Managers spend a lot of time on these policies, and the documentation they create to validate that staff are trained and understand the policy.
There are situations where firing at a vehicle is a valid last resort, and I know of a couple. Personally.
It is a very narrow set of circumstances.. Very, very narrow.

As it should be.


This case is going to be a big deal, and it damn well should be. What we KNOW, right now, is that a BLM gun toter cleared leather with his or her duty weapon and fired at a Side By Side. We don't know how many shots where fired or if more cops fired,, but we know that at least one round fired, by this BLM employee, and that round struck the passenger of the Side By Side vehicle.
Not the driver, the person in control of the vehicle, the passenger.
It appears that the Riverside Sheriff's Dept. is handling the case. If this happened in San Bernardino County then SBCOSD personnel must have been there or they would be handing the investigation. Again, there is a whole lot we don't yet know.
I will look forward to hearing what threat the passenger presented to the BLM employee, and how he/she arrived at the decision to employ deadly force against the passenger. If the BLM employee fired at another target, then we have other problems...if the BLM employee believed the driver of the Side By Side was intentionally attempting to strike him or her with the Side By Side, why was the passenger targeted?
Did the BLM employee miss his/her intended target?
Was there a set of facts in place that would lead a trained officer to go to the top of the Use of Force continuum, and place them in a situation where deploying deadly force was an option that fell inside the policy of the agency? Does the agency have documentation of said policy, and documentation that the employee was trained to that policy, and do they have documentation that the employee maintained proficiency with his or her duty weapon?
All standard questions in these cases, and they better have the right answers.

The BLM employee will, I believe, will be required to provide a statement to the RCSO Detectives with counsel present, or may invoke his or her 5th amendment privilege if advised by counsel to do so. Since he is a federal officer I do not know if he is covered by the POBR, but I an sure there are procedures in place for taking his or her statement...if this employee refuses to do so, well...
RCSO will probably request that Riverside DA either conducts a parallel investigation or works closely with them. This would be normal, as the DA will ultimately make the decision on filing charges...if any...against anyone...BLM may also have a shooting team who responds to these types of cases and conducts the internal affairs investigation...that would also be standard.

So...we have some waiting ahead, waiting for FACTS to come to light.
And every singe person who recreates on Public Lands administered by the BLM has a vested interest in the outcome of this case. A specific vested interest.

I sincerely hope that all of the big off road organizations get involved in this and monitor the case, closely. and ask their political connections to do so as well.
ASA, CORVA, BRC, etc, all have a duty to their members to make sure that the case is handled correctly and the pertinent information made public as soon as practical.

This is a huge event. It will take a long time to put together, and a long time to shake out, and you can bet lawsuits will be filed. It will have an impact on the off road community and the relationship BLM has with that community for a long time, and will be far reaching...if I lived down there I would be contacting my local sate and federal representatives and ask that they monitor this case and keep me apprised of its developing facts. I would be writing them and calling them and become a pain in the ass.

I sincerely hope the people in this side by side have already contacted counsel, retained same, and have communicated with the RCSO about the evidence and the processing of the scene. I sincerely hope RCSO realizes how this case will be seen by the Off Road community.

I worked with a lot of agencies in my day, large ones, small ones, state agencies, federal agencies, hell even Scotland Yard once.
The vast majority of these people were consummate professionals. Well trained, intelligent, and with unshakeable integrity.

I will state that The Bureau of Land Management was not one of those agencies.

At this point I will simply say that I have bumped heads with BLM's "law enforcement" staff more than once and witnessed extremely poor performances that would have had me terminating them from their position had they been a trainee in my Field Training Officer Program...and these were not trainees...they were "senior" people.

Even if the situation proves to be one where the force used was appropriate, and applied within policy, BLM needs a major restructuring and has needed it for at least a decade, they need to learn how to be peace officers, and those incapable of meeting those standards culled from the agency. If this is what our representatives wish to continue to task them with. Frankly, I think that needs to be looked at again as well.
I think we all need to contact our elected officials and let them know how we see the BLM.
And continue contacting them until the BLM raises its level of professionalism several degrees, and demand they either become said professionals or seek employment elsewhere, preferably in another field..
This can be done, it isn't easy but it is done every day in cop shops all over the country. There needs to be a cultural shift in that agency. A big one. It won't happen overnight, but it needs to start...now.

Great post thanks for taking the time to write it. I really hope that the off road community makes this a big deal. We have all been harassed by these people at one point some deserved some not but I think we all agree that blm employees should not have the ability to put a bullet in someone. I can see them carrying a rifle in a truck in case they need to put down an animal but they should not be carrying a side arm.

 

[Coleblooded]

I feel very confident in submitting as many uninformed ignorant posts on this thread as possible just to keep it THE topic of conversation. I also have not gotten any additional information on this incident, so I don't know the details.
I have had too many encounters with various LEO (read game warden, park rangers, blm, etc.) where said "officer" approached encounter with a general confrontational or directly hostile attitude. Who armed these asshats?

 

[BasilHayden]

Perhaps we should put the power of RDP to work in a coordinated effort to show we are watching and expect a complete investigation. RDP helped in the river closing scheme, perhaps we can help here. What say you River Dave.

 

[rivermobster]

The U.S. Department of Interior actually.
The BLM is one of their bureaus but I don't know what he does beyond being called an ecologist.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer maybe.

He is an absolute tool for sure and I wonder if the employment is part of the settlement in his lawsuit.

Ha. Interesting thought! He dies have a Linkdin account...

There is no way to know what he's really up to, since I'm sure he doesn't even know himself.

As they say, genius has its limits. Stupidity has no bounds.

Is there any info anywhere on this shooting at all??

 

[cofooter]

Saw something on a Chat:

THIS COUPLE WAS MY WIFE'S FRIENDS OLD ROOMMATES AND THE SHOT GRAZED HER HEAD THEN TOOK HER FINGER OFF WHICH INDICATES HER HANDS WERE UP WHEN SHE WAS SHOT THIS BLM OFFICER THAT SHOT HER SHOULD BE CHARGED. THEY DEFINITELY HAVE A LAWSUIT THERE. WHAT A SHAME THIS HAPPENED

 

[Boat 405]

Pop quiz for you...

Remember the guys name at the CBD that was behind the whole Milkvetch deal?

Remember where he went after that whole mess ended?

Do you know where he is at now?












Daniel Patterson

Arizona politics

Currently employed at...

The mother fucking BLM of all places!!!

The man is a complete POS.

Here is his linkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpatterson2 feel free to blow it up. I don't have linkedin so I don't know much. But for sure one giant fucking piece of shit.

 

[Taboma]

Great post thanks for taking the time to write it. I really hope that the off road community makes this a big deal. We have all been harassed by these people at one point some deserved some not but I think we all agree that blm employees should not have the ability to put a bullet in someone. I can see them carrying a rifle in a truck in case they need to put down an animal but they should not be carrying a side arm.

I find this particular incident shocking and I'm anxious to learn the facts as they emerge.
I will preface this by stating, I don't go to Glamis, or have I ever had an encounter with BLM.
I certainly don't believe there's any excuse for shooting anybody in the execution of their duties, unless it's for their own self protection.

I'm only commenting here because I'm a bit surprised that you and a few others don't feel that BLM law enforcement officers shouldn't be armed for self protection or to establish command authority while enforcing federal law, which after all, is what they're paid to do.

Most of these officers operate in a desolate and isolated environment, backup if required, is not a few minutes away, it can be an hour or more. Most of these areas aren't as populated as Glamis or other nearby OHV areas, they're extremely remote. Not everybody these officers encounter are innocent offroaders, they're well armed hunters, poachers, drug runners (Think remote landing fields as one example), squatters, meth labs, etc etc., it's the wild fucking west out there.
My wife and I do our offroading in the mountains and washes in the area of our AZ ranch property, almost everybody we've encountered over the years (Not many I admit) have been armed. Hell, all my ranch neighbors, men and women alike, are all sportin holsters on their hips. As such, when we venture out into them hills, so are we, because you just never know who you might run into out there.

So why would you expect these officers to operate in this environment and not have the ability to protect themselves ?
A lot of members on here won't drive to Havasu on public roads without the ability to protect themselves, let alone in a situation where it might just be you, cactus and criminals with guns and a shovel.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

I'm gonna hold back on making any assumptions on this one. I lived in the desert and know Berdoo really well. I have shot, rode and partied out there many a time. I will say, that area can attract a really bad crowd. I don't see any reason an officer would shoot someone offroading as they have always just radioed and wrote the ticket as the person was loading at the end of the day. I personally wouldn't be out there without a gun because there are usually a lot of people that shoot...not good NRA types though...Drunken idiots type.

 

[BasilHayden]

Come on one of his skills listed; Organizing. What could be wrong with that...Organizing against "We the People"

 

[Havaduner]

I find this particular incident shocking and I'm anxious to learn the facts as they emerge.
I will preface this by stating, I don't go to Glamis, or have I ever had an encounter with BLM.
I certainly don't believe there's any excuse for shooting anybody in the execution of their duties, unless it's for their own self protection.

I'm only commenting here because I'm a bit surprised that you and a few others don't feel that BLM law enforcement officers shouldn't be armed for self protection or to establish command authority while enforcing federal law, which after all, is what they're paid to do.

Most of these officers operate in a desolate and isolated environment, backup if required, is not a few minutes away, it can be an hour or more. Most of these areas aren't as populated as Glamis or other nearby OHV areas, they're extremely remote. Not everybody these officers encounter are innocent offroaders, they're well armed hunters, poachers, drug runners (Think remote landing fields as one example), squatters, meth labs, etc etc., it's the wild fucking west out there.
My wife and I do our offroading in the mountains and washes in the area of our AZ ranch property, almost everybody we've encountered over the years (Not many I admit) have been armed. Hell, all my ranch neighbors, men and women alike, are all sportin holsters on their hips. As such, when we venture out into them hills, so are we, because you just never know who you might run into out there.

So why would you expect these officers to operate in this environment and not have the ability to protect themselves ?
A lot of members on here won't drive to Havasu on public roads without the ability to protect themselves, let alone in a situation where it might just be you, cactus and criminals with guns and a shovel.

Taboma,
Just so you know, this didn't happen in Glamis. Also, while I agree having a firearm for the officers protection may be necessary, the way they seem to be flaunting their side arms and their gestapo tactics in a lot of situations just is not necessary. Yes, I go to Glamis, and I've seen some of the antics these knuckle heads pull is way over the top. Unfortunately, I've seen the same attitude in other off roading areas with no where near the traffic/use as Glamis.

 

[Havaduner]

I too, will be watching this story evolve closely. I think it is way over due for the BLM to be taken down a notch or two.

 

[Magic1]

We have been getting a LOT of BLM visits at Riverland. They don't seam nice at all so I stay clear. They come in with a K9 and engage with people on the beach. We also get Sheriff and they are way cool. They just wanna make sure everyone is not being stupid. This story scares me a lot.

 

[Taboma]

Taboma,
Just so you know, this didn't happen in Glamis. Also, while I agree having a firearm for the officers protection may be necessary, the way they seem to be flaunting their side arms and their gestapo tactics in a lot of situations just is not necessary. Yes, I go to Glamis, and I've seen some of the antics these knuckle heads pull is way over the top. Unfortunately, I've seen the same attitude in other off roading areas with no where near the traffic/use as Glamis.

I'm actually quite familiar with Berdoo Canyon, all the way back into the 60's when my buddy and I used to ride our MCs up what then was a rough jeep trail the back way into Joshua Tree. Did a lot of shooting out there as well. Haven't been since the mid 70's however.
I honestly can't speak of any of the attitude issues you may have encountered, I've never had any interaction with BLM. One of my ranch neighbors is retired BLM, hell, he looks like an ole hippie, lol. An extremely mellow dude, I've always found it strange to picture him in law enforcement, but in our youth, many of us were different, lol
I know very little of his working history, other than at some point he worked a very bad-ass area near the AZ border with Mexico.
I was simply addressing one thing, self protection in an environment were I believe it's necessary. Not all of these officers are charged with herding and managing civic minded offroaders.

 

[RiverDave]

Do we have a cheat sheet on which sworn LEO's we can pay attention to and which ones we can run over if we please?

Perhaps we should put the power of RDP to work in a coordinated effort to show we are watching and expect a complete investigation. RDP helped in the river closing scheme, perhaps we can help here. What say you River Dave.

I’d say that little river closure thing cost me thousands of dollars and months of my life.

If someone else wants to lead the charge on this I’d back them. We already have Offroad groups dedicated to fighting things like this though. ASA?

 

[Danger Dave]

I was simply addressing one thing, self protection in an environment were I believe it's necessary. Not all of these officers are charged with herding and managing civic minded offroaders.

I would wager that very few if any BLM officers are on the pointy end of any anti-crime activity. If you call 911 in the desert, BLM is not going to show up.

 

[Taboma]

I would wager that very few if any BLM officers are on the pointy end of any anti-crime activity. If you call 911 in the desert, BLM is not going to show up.

So you don't consider theft of archaeological artifacts (Just one example) a crime ? It's not that complicated, enforcement of Federal Law on Federally owned lands for both the protection of the resources, visitors and BLM employees. I'm not defending how they do it or their attitudes while doing it.

I do know if we have a wildfire in the area of my ranch, it's BLM who fights it, both from the air and from the ground. So I suspect, if some local marijuana grower doesn't like their presence and starts shooting at the BLM firemen (Again, one example), he's going to meet a truck load of BLM Rangers --- yes, armed.

Please allow me to repeat ---- I'm only addressing the need for self protection and or to "Get people's attention" by being armed, in order so they simply don't tell you to beer in hand, to "Fuck-off-outta-here, when you're tasked with enforcing a federal law on federal land --- which in after all their job, like it or not.

 

[Englewood]

Am i the only one who noticed that he shot the passenger?!?! Is his aim that bad or is he just an idiot? or Both?

I'd love to see him defend himself on how the passenger was enough of a threat, buckled down in a seat, to justify shooting. I hope this glorified park ranger loses his job and it costs the BLM millions.

 

[rivermobster]

I look at these pictures posted by 2ff and it just makes me sick! Bunch of "Soldier of Fortune" drones militarizing against the American people, ready and willing to escalate a situation to blood shed at the behest of some fat ass bureaucrat sitting back in Washington, who has never set foot in that state. If this incident turns out to be unjustified force, the off road community should light up the phones and emails of all representatives, and demand change.

This is SOP for these groups and these people...

This is from 2010: http://www.westernfarmpress.com/ranchers-take-envirofreaks-woodshed

 

[rivermobster]

Come on one of his skills listed; Organizing. What could be wrong with that...Organizing against "We the People"

Pretty much.

From 2012: Rep. Daniel Patterson resigned today hours after the House Ethics Committee recommended that he be expelled from the Legislature.

https://tucson.com/news/local/govt-...cle_0b517ba8-8418-11e1-9d2b-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[KENDOG689]

So you don't consider theft of archaeological artifacts (Just one example) a crime ? It's not that complicated, enforcement of Federal Law on Federally owned lands for both the protection of the resources, visitors and BLM employees. I'm not defending how they do it or their attitudes while doing it.

I do know if we have a wildfire in the area of my ranch, it's BLM who fights it, both from the air and from the ground. So I suspect, if some local marijuana grower doesn't like their presence and starts shooting at the BLM firemen (Again, one example), he's going to meet a truck load of BLM Rangers --- yes, armed.

Please allow me to repeat ---- I'm only addressing the need for self protection and or to "Get people's attention" by being armed, in order so they simply don't tell you to beer in hand, to "Fuck-off-outta-here, when you're tasked with enforcing a federal law on federal land --- which in after all their job, like it or not.

As a full blooded American I own the land too.I just wish and hope for the younger generations to be able to use it.As a tax payer we all should be able to use places like this for having fun in a good way.Btw,tell me what protected resources are in the middle of the desert.

 

[rivermobster]

As a full blooded American I own the land too.I just wish and hope for the younger generations to be able to use it.As a tax payer we all should be able to use places like this for having fun in a good way.Btw,tell me what protected resources are in the middle of the desert.

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/species/

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/

Pick one. Any one.

 

[KENDOG689]

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/species/

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/

Pick one. Any one.

LOL,nature should be seen not closed off.I don't chase foxes or drive over plants and disrupt the cycle.I have a deep respect for OUR country and our government and libs are taking those away from us.

 

[DLC]

I sure hope BLM - Bob was wearing a camera, when these Evil off roaders threatened his personal space.

He shot the passenger so the driver would not crash and get hurt, as he still needed to get a ticket ! Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[rivermobster]

LOL,nature should be seen not closed off.I don't chase foxes or drive over plants and disrupt the cycle.I have a deep respect for OUR country and our government and libs are taking those away from us.

Sadly, you and me are in the minority here. Most people head out to the desert JUST to fuck shit up, and ruin it for the rest of us.

Wonder no more why they treat us with such disrespect. It is a very vicious circle.

 

[Taboma]

I sure hope BLM - Bob was wearing a camera, when these Evil off roaders threatened his personal space.

He shot the passenger so the driver would not crash and get hurt, as he still needed to get a ticket ! Makes perfect sense to me.

Very little of this makes sense to me right now, hopefully we'll get more info. Knowing the road and area, there's two ways to go, either back into Joshua Tree, or down to Dillon Rd. Either way is easily secured, something is really off about this.

 

[grumpy88]

As a full blooded American I own the land too.I just wish and hope for the younger generations to be able to use it.As a tax payer we all should be able to use places like this for having fun in a good way.Btw,tell me what protected resources are in the middle of the desert.

Future area to plow under for more solar and wind farms ! I would hate for a tax payer to ride over some dirt before a d10 gets a chance at it !

 

[Taboma]

As a full blooded American I own the land too.I just wish and hope for the younger generations to be able to use it.As a tax payer we all should be able to use places like this for having fun in a good way.Btw,tell me what protected resources are in the middle of the desert.

Here's two examples, keep in mind, California is only a fraction of their area of responsibility. If you're interested, go to the BLM website, you'll see there's a lot more to it than watching drunk offroaders roll over in the sand.

Hmmm, four legged or two legged animals ??

Worth protecting ? I dunno, I think it's pretty cool, although if I could cut it out, it would look awesome framed in my living room --- and you know somebody has already thought of that

 

[Wheeler]

Wonder no more why they treat us with such disrespect.

It all starts at an early age.

 

[rivermobster]

It all starts at an early age.

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I remember that day. You were so mean!

 

[Wheeler]

I remember that day. You were so mean!

Happy to see that you haven't forgotten, not one of ya.

 

[Danger Dave]

Maybe the BLM has a new policy about shooting people on Sundays?

http://www.nbc11news.com/content/news/Officer-involved-shooting-near-shooting-range-483825121.html

They were cleared.

http://www.nbc11news.com/content/ne...released-found-to-be-justified-484999331.html

 

[KENDOG689]

Here's two examples, keep in mind, California is only a fraction of their area of responsibility. If you're interested, go to the BLM website, you'll see there's a lot more to it than watching drunk offroaders roll over in the sand.
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Hmmm, four legged or two legged animals ??

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Worth protecting ? I dunno, I think it's pretty cool, although if I could cut it out, it would look awesome framed in my living room --- and you know somebody has already thought of that

For the a holes dumping trash they should be shot.If we shut all this stuff down tell me how my grand kids will be able to enjoy it?Its gotten to the point certain trails you cant ride a horse any longer.WTF

 

[Taboma]

For the a holes dumping trash they should be shot.If we shut all this stuff down tell me how my grand kids will be able to enjoy it?Its gotten to the point certain trails you cant ride a horse any longer.WTF

Trust me, I get it, I'm certainly not advocating any shut-downs
I don't know what the future holds or if there's any going back. All I know is some people are certainly fucking it up and the rest of us suffer their actions.
Hell, I can't even figure out why lazy asses dressed in work out or jogging clothes can't push their damned grocery cart another 30' into a rack, rather than leave it in the middle of a parking spot, or just let it roll into your door.
Or why despite having raging wildfires, asshole are still flicking their damned butts out on the road.
There's really only one thing I can appreciate about being old, I got to enjoy "Things" before people became so damned stupid, lazy and in general, inconsiderate.
Good Luck !!!

 

[coolchange]

Been using public lands for over 50 years. Never had a positive had a posi positive experience with the BLM. Plenty with forestry that have been positive. I've never seen BLM protecting anything. Have seen him creeping around our camp at 3 a.m. looking for bottles in our trash though. I have seen them try to tell a bunch of families camping to leave because they didn't have a permit for a rave though. Have had them come into our empty campsite except for me, trying to trick me into telling them which motorcycle was mine. I could go on with stories you wouldn't even believe. When they enter our can't they are not acknowledged. I'm not obligated to talk to them. I belong to an organization that pays them tens of thousands of dollars for no service at all other then using land four events that we've been having for 60 years. Don't really want to say how I truly feel about the BLM.
And monster I hope your comment about "most" people going to the desert just to f*** s*** up was sarcasm.