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Bigbore's Chevelle - a resurrection

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This past weekend, I finally got my ass in gear and trailered my 72 Chevelle home. The car has been sitting (rotting) outside since 2006 without a drivetrain, a casualty of shifting priorities - buying a house, getting married and making babies.

It was my first car - bought with help from my Father from a neighbor for the paltry sum of $1500.
It was a fairly original Malibu with a 350/350 drivetrain, an Edelbrock intake, and the finest 600 AFB Carb that pep boys had to offer. It's job was to transport me to school and work - and it did that, along with becoming a lifestyle that consumed my entire being. My entire $4.75 per hour paycheck went to gasoline, del taco, and trips to PAW. Along the way, I made some stupid "kid" decisions - like ripping out the working factory AC, installing a fiberglass hood, cutting a hole for a radio, screwing a monster tach to the dash, removing the fenderwells, removing the swaybar, and swapping the chevy rally wheels for drag stars - 90's street race de rigueur.

Friday nights consisted of hitting Cruisers on Tampa, driving around looking for 5.0's and trouble, and then Kevin Burgers on DeSoto after 10pm to watch the street race crowd negotiate the night's racing schedule. Eventually we'd end up behind the Van Nuys airport around 1am with some buddies, to finish the night off with some burnouts and 1/8 mile passes against any car a kid could get their hands on.

The 350 finally died, and my friends dad taught me how to build my first motor - a .40 over 350, with a steel crank and all the budget-friendly backyard tricks. We found a set of 186 casting 1970 LT-1 heads, comparable to camel hump heads with accessory holes, and went to work with the die grinder pocket porting them and fully polishing the exhausts. We deburred and polished the connecting rods, an old trick that may or may not have added strength by removing potential stress risers and saved some weight. The block was deburred, oil drain-back passages were opened up, the lifter valley was coated with rustoleum, and it went back together with a off-brand SSI 268 cam and roller rockers. The intake was changed to a performer RPM and it went back in with a set of headers and a curved HEI. It was probably a high 14 second combo, but it felt like serious business to a 19 year old.

A neighbor the next street over was a hotrodder that stayed up for days at a time building motors and tearing up the streets at night. If you saw his garage door cracked and the light was on, you stopped in and learned some cool shit. I ended up hanging out over there alot, way later than I should. He taught me a ton., but luckily - he didn't teach me how to do coke, cause that's what he was REALLY good at o_O. It was all Van Halen, tall cans and bumps in the back room. He would come out sniffing and get right to work with his torque wrench, building drag boat motors.
I ignored the drugs and focused on learning how to build motors, and marveled at how he built stuff that ran so damn good. How I didn't get into drugs over there, I have no idea. He knew I was a kid, and never offered me any or talked about it. I knew what it was, but i just didn't do it.

Anyways....the neighbor mentioned above helped me put together a 4 speed setup, and we tore the TH350 out and hung a clutch pedal in the car, converting it to a 4 speed. The car was waaaaaay more fun this way! The saginaw 4 speed lasted about 6 months before I broke the input shaft side-stepping the clutch everywhere I went. We found a M20 muncie, and we re-built it on his workbench, hand filing synchros and doing all the tricks to make it shift like butter. If you've never rebuilt a muncie - its a feat of patience. There's a million needle bearings that go in, held in place by grease as you gently slide the gear cluster into the case. He knew how to do all that, and I learned some cool stuff. The rear end was swapped for a 4.56 he had laying around - at this point the car was no longer my daily driver, and thank god because that gear was gnarly!

Fast forward a few years - I was making more money, and wanted to go alot faster. The editor of Chevy High Performance was a friend of my buddies father, and he had a 408 small block come up for sale. (This motor was the "Rat vs Mouse" motor, if you read CHP back in the early 2000's). It was just a shortblock, I topped it off with a set of Edelbrock performer RPM heads that had some work done to them, and a victor JR with a Holley HP series 750. The 4 speed setup was torn out and a built TH350 went back in, with a continental 3600 stall. The car ran real well, and that combo was in the car for quite a while.

Fat forward a few more years - got the itch to go faster. Pulled the 408 out, and tore it down. Kept the .40 over block and fit it with @RaceTec pistons yielding 11.5:1, and 6" rods. Re-used the crank, which was still in great shape. Replaced the flat tappet camshaft with a 260 @.050 solid roller, and fed it with a old set of heavily worked Canfield aluminum heads that came off a friends sprint car - old stuff, but they hauled ass and were available. The heads came with a full stud girdle setup and rockers.
This motor ripped! It was buttery smooth all the way to 7200rpm - despite being solid mounted, it was incredibly smooth and balanced.

2006 - decided I needed to go MUCH faster, and at the time I had gotten into LS motors doing engine builds and wiring harnesses as a side business. I tore the drivetrain out and sold it, with the intent of putting a turbo LS / 4L80 setup in the car to run sub 10's with good street manners. Sold the 4.56 posi rearend and bought a 3.31 12 bolt off a buddy, which I tossed under the car temporarily so it would roll. Built a 6.0 turbo motor, but sold it to a customer. Built another motor for it.....sold it to a customer. And another....and another.....
The car just sat as I did side jobs. Bought my first house and moved, and that was that - the car would never go back together again. It was pushed from one end of the backyard to the other. Pulled into the garage, then pushed back out 3-4 times. Eventually, it went to my moms house in 2020 when I sold my house and looked for another. It sat there until this past Sunday....and now it's home in my garage.

The car needs work - has no drivetrain, needs the interior stripped, needs rust repair around the rear window and bottom of the rear 1/4 panels. But its straight, complete, and everything fits nicely. And its my 1st car, which is priceless.

So now the question is - what do I do with it? Do i keep it "drag style" and do that turbo motor I envisioned in 2006? What color do I paint it? Do I keep it 90's style and keep it on drag stars with skinnies? Or do I bring it back to stock and restore it with a few tasteful upgrades? Does it get an LS, or do I build a Big Block for it? Auto or Manual? My son is 11, and I need to get this thing going. It will be our next father-son project.

To be continued.....

90's . . .
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August 1999 - Chevy High Performance
A much skinnier 19 year old Bigbore......
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2008 . . .car is now red, and ready for that turbo motor......

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2012 Now I have a kid. Best intentions on working on it......

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2014 . . . still not working on it.....

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2023.......finally got it back home

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This is the start of a great thread. Look forward to watching the progress.
 

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That might be the longest read I've ever finished on this site! The magazine cover is Bad Ass!!!!!!

To answer your question at the bottom- Do with it what YOU want. It's your car.
I thought for sure your reply would contain the word BIG BLOCK :p
 

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Great that you still have it. I’ve thought about this a lot myself. I still own my first truck. I get sideways about it. Full stock? Back the way I lowered it and drove it in high school? Full tilt restomod? I haven’t figured it out. But it’s YORE car. Do what you think is best, but reading your post, sounds like it’s gonna be your sons high school car. Just a thought. I’m subscribed. Keep us in the loop.
 

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Great that you still have it. I’ve thought about this a lot myself. I still own my first truck. I get sideways about it. Full stock? Back the way I lowered it and drove it in high school? Full tilt restomod? I haven’t figured it out. But it’s YORE car. Do what you think is best, but reading your post, sounds like it’s gonna be your sons high school car. Just a thought. I’m subscribed. Keep us in the loop.
I tell myself that I can't put him in a car that will get him in trouble. But - that's exactly what my dad did!
And trouble , I definitely got into.....
But I think it kept me busy, and it kept me out of messing with drugs, and it kept me from drinking and messing with alcohol till I was 18-ish.....so maybe it was a good thing?
 

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PAW...nice. Performance Automotive Wholesale

I built many engines with their kits.

Some awesome cars you had and have for sure.

My El Camino's 1965 283 / 4 spd air cond. car w/ custom offset Rallies

My High School Car was a 71 454 SS El Camino. The engine had a broken crank but I drove it from Cypress to Brea while the Olympic torch was being run through the OC 1984. Broken through the counter balance so it you kept load on the engine it would run and knock less. I was 17 and worked for $3.35 an hr.
 

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This past weekend, I finally got my ass in gear and trailered my 72 Chevelle home. The car has been sitting (rotting) outside since 2006 without a drivetrain, a casualty of shifting priorities - buying a house, getting married and making babies.

It was my first car - bought with help from my Father from a neighbor for the paltry sum of $1500.
It was a fairly original Malibu with a 350/350 drivetrain, an Edelbrock intake, and the finest 600 AFB Carb that pep boys had to offer. It's job was to transport me to school and work - and it did that, along with becoming a lifestyle that consumed my entire being. My entire $4.75 per hour paycheck went to gasoline, del taco, and trips to PAW. Along the way, I made some stupid "kid" decisions - like ripping out the working factory AC, installing a fiberglass hood, cutting a hole for a radio, screwing a monster tach to the dash, removing the fenderwells, removing the swaybar, and swapping the chevy rally wheels for drag stars - 90's street race de rigueur.

Friday nights consisted of hitting Cruisers on Tampa, driving around looking for 5.0's and trouble, and then Kevin Burgers on DeSoto after 10pm to watch the street race crowd negotiate the night's racing schedule. Eventually we'd end up behind the Van Nuys airport around 1am with some buddies, to finish the night off with some burnouts and 1/8 mile passes against any car a kid could get their hands on.

The 350 finally died, and my friends dad taught me how to build my first motor - a .40 over 350, with a steel crank and all the budget-friendly backyard tricks. We found a set of 186 casting 1970 LT-1 heads, comparable to camel hump heads with accessory holes, and went to work with the die grinder pocket porting them and fully polishing the exhausts. We deburred and polished the connecting rods, an old trick that may or may not have added strength by removing potential stress risers and saved some weight. The block was deburred, oil drain-back passages were opened up, the lifter valley was coated with rustoleum, and it went back together with a off-brand SSI 268 cam and roller rockers. The intake was changed to a performer RPM and it went back in with a set of headers and a curved HEI. It was probably a high 14 second combo, but it felt like serious business to a 19 year old.

A neighbor the next street over was a hotrodder that stayed up for days at a time building motors and tearing up the streets at night. If you saw his garage door cracked and the light was on, you stopped in and learned some cool shit. I ended up hanging out over there alot, way later than I should. He taught me a ton., but luckily - he didn't teach me how to do coke, cause that's what he was REALLY good at o_O. It was all Van Halen, tall cans and bumps in the back room. He would come out sniffing and get right to work with his torque wrench, building drag boat motors.
I ignored the drugs and focused on learning how to build motors, and marveled at how he built stuff that ran so damn good. How I didn't get into drugs over there, I have no idea. He knew I was a kid, and never offered me any or talked about it. I knew what it was, but i just didn't do it.

Anyways....the neighbor mentioned above helped me put together a 4 speed setup, and we tore the TH350 out and hung a clutch pedal in the car, converting it to a 4 speed. The car was waaaaaay more fun this way! The saginaw 4 speed lasted about 6 months before I broke the input shaft side-stepping the clutch everywhere I went. We found a M20 muncie, and we re-built it on his workbench, hand filing synchros and doing all the tricks to make it shift like butter. If you've never rebuilt a muncie - its a feat of patience. There's a million needle bearings that go in, held in place by grease as you gently slide the gear cluster into the case. He knew how to do all that, and I learned some cool stuff. The rear end was swapped for a 4.56 he had laying around - at this point the car was no longer my daily driver, and thank god because that gear was gnarly!

Fast forward a few years - I was making more money, and wanted to go alot faster. The editor of Chevy High Performance was a friend of my buddies father, and he had a 408 small block come up for sale. (This motor was the "Rat vs Mouse" motor, if you read CHP back in the early 2000's). It was just a shortblock, I topped it off with a set of Edelbrock performer RPM heads that had some work done to them, and a victor JR with a Holley HP series 750. The 4 speed setup was torn out and a built TH350 went back in, with a continental 3600 stall. The car ran real well, and that combo was in the car for quite a while.

Fat forward a few more years - got the itch to go faster. Pulled the 408 out, and tore it down. Kept the .40 over block and fit it with @RaceTec pistons yielding 11.5:1, and 6" rods. Re-used the crank, which was still in great shape. Replaced the flat tappet camshaft with a 260 @.050 solid roller, and fed it with a old set of heavily worked Canfield aluminum heads that came off a friends sprint car - old stuff, but they hauled ass and were available. The heads came with a full stud girdle setup and rockers.
This motor ripped! It was buttery smooth all the way to 7200rpm - despite being solid mounted, it was incredibly smooth and balanced.

2006 - decided I needed to go MUCH faster, and at the time I had gotten into LS motors doing engine builds and wiring harnesses as a side business. I tore the drivetrain out and sold it, with the intent of putting a turbo LS / 4L80 setup in the car to run sub 10's with good street manners. Sold the 4.56 posi rearend and bought a 3.31 12 bolt off a buddy, which I tossed under the car temporarily so it would roll. Built a 6.0 turbo motor, but sold it to a customer. Built another motor for it.....sold it to a customer. And another....and another.....
The car just sat as I did side jobs. Bought my first house and moved, and that was that - the car would never go back together again. It was pushed from one end of the backyard to the other. Pulled into the garage, then pushed back out 3-4 times. Eventually, it went to my moms house in 2020 when I sold my house and looked for another. It sat there until this past Sunday....and now it's home in my garage.

The car needs work - has no drivetrain, needs the interior stripped, needs rust repair around the rear window and bottom of the rear 1/4 panels. But its straight, complete, and everything fits nicely. And its my 1st car, which is priceless.

So now the question is - what do I do with it? Do i keep it "drag style" and do that turbo motor I envisioned in 2006? What color do I paint it? Do I keep it 90's style and keep it on drag stars with skinnies? Or do I bring it back to stock and restore it with a few tasteful upgrades? Does it get an LS, or do I build a Big Block for it? Auto or Manual? My son is 11, and I need to get this thing going. It will be our next father-son project.

To be continued.....

90's . . .
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August 1999 - Chevy High Performance
A much skinnier 19 year old Bigbore......
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2008 . . .car is now red, and ready for that turbo motor......

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2012 Now I have a kid. Best intentions on working on it......

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2014 . . . still not working on it.....

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2023.......finally got it back home

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I’m old school and I would make it a cruiser ,take the kids and meet up with Sharp Shooter! I would go Big Block! Then you could build your ultimate street car but you know what that leads too!
 

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Cool car and story...

Finish what you started....Built 6.0 and a turbo backed by a 4l80.

E85 with the ability to take it from 500 wheel to 1000 with a boost controller.

Go with a modern/classic 17" wheel (no tt) and build it to do everything good. Corner/stop and straight-line when the time comes.
 

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I’m old school and I would make it a cruiser ,take the kids and meet up with Sharp Shooter! I would go Big Block! Then you could build your ultimate street car but you know what that leads too!

These old cars are like time machines to many of us. We grew up crusin, racin and chasing girls in these cars and it left a mark. I think there's some form of that happening still today thanks to the modern muscle car wars. When I ride in or drive an older classic, I want it to have all those things that take me back to that era. The sound, feel and smell of old does it for me. I'm not into making my old car modern, but I think it's fine if the younger generation does it. Do you currently have any Hot Rods Tim?
 

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These old cars are like time machines to many of us. We grew up crusin, racin and chasing girls in these cars and it left a mark. I think there's some form of that happening still today thanks to the modern muscle car wars. When I ride in or drive an older classic, I want it to have all those things that take me back to that era. The sound, feel and smell of old does it for me. I'm not into making my old car modern, but I think it's fine if the younger generation does it. Do you currently have any Hot Rods Tim?
I do! I have a 1968 Z/28 that my Mom and Dad gave me for my high school graduation. Unfortunately the last couple of decades of boat and drag racing it has sat lonely in my mom’s garage. I really want to get it running again, my wife has been bugging me to get it going so we can go cruising like we use to do. When you date Larry Dahlhoff’s sister you just know a 427 LS6 out of the ski boat would end up between the frame rails! We cruised and raced Whittier Blvd. and other hot spots in the mid seventies. Wife gets pregnant and the Camaro with a hot big block is not a great family car. Installed the 302 back in the car and has been driven very little since then, in fact my son was the last one to drive the car!
 

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Awesome! Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
 

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Cool story.

Just get it running and go from there.

Junkyard 5.3 and turbo. You can build on that up to whatever you want in the future.

Manual trans so your kids friends won’t be able to drive it.

Decent brakes and suspension.
 

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PAW! Built many small and big block Chevys with parts from there. Sad deal how the owner was killed. I assume your "friend of my buddies father" is Jeff Smith?

I think you have a solid platform to do whatever you want, plus you can't put a price on memories. If my son was your son's age, I would set it up for drag'n'drive events. Great family fun, and still streetable (most of the time). Start with a big block NA class and work your way up as your son gets older. I am trying to convince myself to do the same thing with my first car (1965 MalibuSS) but my kids are grown and gone.

Love the car!😍
 

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I’d make it streetable and low maintenance and enjoy it. If it’s sat for a while because of life, sometimes life only gets busier as the kids get older. Just a thought.

I’m a fan of the original color and rally wheels. Not a fan of the vinyl top.
Like everyone else said, “It’s yours. Do what you want.”
We just appreciate being along for the ride. 👍🏻
 

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I do! I have a 1968 Z/28 that my Mom and Dad gave me for my high school graduation. Unfortunately the last couple of decades of boat and drag racing it has sat lonely in my mom’s garage. I really want to get it running again, my wife has been bugging me to get it going so we can go cruising like we use to do. When you date Larry Dahlhoff’s sister you just know a 427 LS6 out of the ski boat would end up between the frame rails! We cruised and raced Whittier Blvd. and other hot spots in the mid seventies. Wife gets pregnant and the Camaro with a hot big block is not a great family car. Installed the 302 back in the car and has been driven very little since then, in fact my son was the last one to drive the car!

You’re a lucky guy! I’d be out enjoying that car for sure!
 

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PAW! Built many small and big block Chevys with parts from there. Sad deal how the owner was killed. I assume your "friend of my buddies father" is Jeff Smith?

I think you have a solid platform to do whatever you want, plus you can't put a price on memories. If my son was your son's age, I would set it up for drag'n'drive events. Great family fun, and still streetable (most of the time). Start with a big block NA class and work your way up as your son gets older. I am trying to convince myself to do the same thing with my first car (1965 MalibuSS) but my kids are grown and gone.

Love the car!😍
Yes, Jeff Smith!. Jeff was always around when we were teenagers, it was awesome getting to see the Hotrod / Car Craft projects behind the scenes and get the opportunity to be in the magazine a few times. Jeff was always very down to earth and a wealth of knowledge, I have alot of respect for him.
 

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Great story... I'd restore restore it back to factory, throw in a nice motor and don't forget the AC.
That magazine cover is bad ass!
 

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Pro tour. So you guys can trip in it.
Put a hitch on it.
I’m putting a big block in my 67, just sayin…
 

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Haven't done much to the Chevelle since I got it home and in the garage...

Back on its wheels
My buddy hooked me up with some 275/60's he had laying around the shop, I had them mounted on the 15x10 Weld drag-lites that used to live on the rear, which will allow me to get the Weld skinnies back up front where they belong. 20 year old me approves.......
Somewhere in the last 15 years I misplaced some of the lug nuts that fit the rear welds, and the rear end that is under the car currently has standard 7/16 studs so I need to get a set of the deep-sleeve lug nuts with the fat washers . The previous rear end that was running the drag-lites had extended 1/2" studs, using short sleeve nuts that were drilled to let the extended studs protrude - not only NHRA legal, but a major badge of street cred when you pulled up to cruise night.
Not sure what direction im gonna go with the car yet, and didn't want to spend for fresh rubber on the front / rear drag wheels just to have it sit and possibly not get used, so it was cool that he had those tires laying around. They're hard, ready for death by burnout once the car is running 😁

Drivetrain . . . What say ye?

@Sharp Shooter - There's snow in hell's forecast.....

I have a sweet little BBC in the hopper, if I want to go that route - It's a Gen IV 4-bolt, 460", 10:1 compression, Mahle pistons, with a real nice set of Ported 781 casting Oval Ports sporting 2.19 / 1.88 valves. Intake is a port matched RPM. For factory heads, the Mid-lift flow numbers are impressive to say the least. The head porter is a underground celebrity in the world of Musclecar "stock" racing classes. Has a Comp Hyd roller cam, Comp Evolution series lifters (on the fence about these.....Hyd rollers from most everyone are shit these days, these are new but unproven....)

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The motor as currently cammed is geared for street manners and a tabletop torque curve - , 230/236 @ .050 110+4. Should eclipse 500ftlb from 2000 rpm and stay above 500ftlb beyond 5k. Peak torque should approach 600ftlb if it lays the power down like it should. Peak HP / redline with this cam comes in a little early for my taste, especially for a manual trans setup - it would peak in the neighborhood of 5700-5900, and should make around 550-580hp
Theres another 40-50hp / 500rpm in there if one were to go with something in the 240 range, but the table-top torque curve will suffer below 3500. At that point Solid Rollers become the lifter of choice, and now we're changing springs, and probably pushrods.....

The age old dillema - where do you want your power, and what / where are you willing to sacrifice for more up top?
This is a N/A struggle, and does not apply to Blower or Turbo motors. Blowers have their cake, and eat it too.
Turbos? Well, turbos eat the whole motherfuckin birthday cake.... In front of your kid...while their friends watch.

Along with this motor comes a plethora of parts that could get the car up and running in no time - an MSD 6AL box, MSD billet distributor, New Holley 750HP carb (a little on the small side, but great for the street) and a complete Muncie M-20 setup. My car still has the 3rd pedal hanging in it and the Z-bar bracket on the frame rail, so theoretically this drivetrain would go right in the car with minimal fuckery, other than needing springs in the front to deal with the Iron Headed behometh.....

The rear end currently under the car is a 3.31 12 bolt, not sure how I feel about the archaic lack of overdrive if going the muncie route. With 28" tall rears the cruise RPM at 65-70 wouldn't be bad. But it's not great, i'm used to overdrive these days and the thought of spinning 2600k to cruise at 65-70 disgusts me......
Am I a spoiled little bitch?

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Contestant #2 . . . . TBD
 
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timstoy

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Haven't done much to the Chevelle since I got it home and in the garage...

Back on its wheels
My buddy hooked me up with some 275/60's he had laying around the shop, I had them mounted on the 15x10 Weld drag-lites that used to live on the rear, which will allow me to get the Weld skinnies back up front where they belong. 20 year old me approves.......
Somewhere in the last 15 years I misplaced some of the lug nuts that fit the rear welds, and the rear end that is under the car currently has standard 7/16 studs so I need to get a set of the deep-sleeve lug nuts with the fat washers . The previous rear end that was running the drag-lites had extended 1/2" studs, using short sleeve nuts that were drilled to let the extended studs protrude - not only NHRA legal, but a major badge of street cred when you pulled up to cruise night.
Not sure what direction im gonna go with the car yet, and didn't want to spend for fresh rubber on the front / rear drag wheels just to have it sit and possibly not get used, so it was cool that he had those tires laying around. They're hard, ready for death by burnout once the car is running 😁

Drivetrain . . . What say ye?

@Sharp Shooter - There's snow in hell's forecast.....

I have a sweet little BBC in the hopper, if I want to go that route - It's a Gen IV 4-bolt, 460", 10:1 compression, Mahle pistons, with a real nice set of Ported 781 casting Oval Ports sporting 2.19 / 1.88 valves. Intake is a port matched RPM. For factory heads, the Mid-lift flow numbers are impressive to say the least. The head porter is a underground celebrity in the world of Musclecar "stock" racing classes. Has a Comp Hyd roller cam, Comp Evolution series lifters (on the fence about these.....Hyd rollers from most everyone are shit these days, these are new but unproven....)

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The motor as currently cammed is geared for street manners and a tabletop torque curve - , 230/236 @ .050 110+4. Should eclipse 500ftlb from 2000 rpm and stay above 500ftlb beyond 5k. Peak torque should approach 600ftlb if it lays the power down like it should. Peak HP / redline with this cam comes in a little early for my taste, especially for a manual trans setup - it would peak in the neighborhood of 5700-5900, and should make around 550-580hp
Theres another 40-50hp / 500rpm in there if one were to go with something in the 240 range, but the table-top torque curve will suffer below 3500. At that point Solid Rollers become the lifter of choice, and now we're changing springs, and probably pushrods.....

The age old dillema - where do you want your power, and what / where are you willing to sacrifice for more up top?
This is a N/A struggle, and does not apply to Blower or Turbo motors. Blowers have their cake, and eat it too.
Turbos? Well, turbos eat the whole motherfuckin birthday cake.... In front of your kid...while their friends watch.



Along with this motor comes a plethora of parts that could get the car up and running in no time - an MSD 6AL box, MSD billet distributor, New Holley 750HP carb (a little on the small side, but great for the street) and a complete Muncie M-20 setup. My car still has the 3rd pedal hanging in it and the Z-bar bracket on the frame rail, so theoretically this drivetrain would go right in the car with minimal fuckery, other than needing springs in the front to deal with the Iron Headed behometh.....

The rear end currently under the car is a 3.31 12 bolt, not sure how I feel about the archaic lack of overdrive if going the muncie route. With 28" tall rears the cruise RPM at 65-70 wouldn't be bad. But it's not great, i'm used to overdrive these days and the thought of spinning 2600k to cruise at 65-70 disgusts me......
Am I a spoiled little bitch?

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You have pretty much have everything to get your car back on the road and have some fun with your family and friends! I would put it together and use it for awhile then decide what rabbit hole to go down!
 

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You have pretty much have everything to get your car back on the road and have some fun with your family and friends! I would put it together and use it for awhile then decide what rabbit hole to go down!
I thought about that, I can always go another direction with the motor / trans later. There's enough work to do to the car with body, paint, interior and suspension that it would be nice to already have a motor / trans that are ready to go for now.
 

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I’ll start by saying I like that combo, but what I like is irrelevant.

It’s about you and your son and what you want from the car. All of us will enjoy seeing it go together and hopefully share in your future enjoyment. 👍
 

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I’ll start by saying I like that combo, but what I like is irrelevant.

It’s about you and your son and what you want from the car. All of us will enjoy seeing it go together and hopefully share in your future enjoyment. 👍
Think I should change the cam ? It’s a hotrod with a stick….the torque sounds like a good time, but running out of breath before 6k seems like it’s cutting the fun short!
 

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make it streetable to put it down the freeway on road trips and still be a joy to drive. i know of a lot of big block cars with a ton of money wrapped up in drive gear and suspension that cant hit the freeway for a nice long drive. over built just to say they have this n that at cars n coffee.
 
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Gear Vendors OD unit behind a Turbo 400 and never look back. GM manual transmissions were always a weak link in my experience. GV unit would work great for a cruiser behind any motor combo you end up with.
 

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Think I should change the cam ? It’s a hotrod with a stick….the torque sounds like a good time, but running out of breath before 6k seems like it’s cutting the fun short!

The combo sounds well matched, and the horsepower estimate spot on Imo. I say that but I'm not a professional engine builder. IMHO It's all about what you want the car to do for you. What is priority...? Drivability, torque, revving 7500? I prefer to let the cam grinder decide based on your goals for the engine. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what you did.

In my younger years I did some backyard motor builds and they worked pretty well but they were pretty basic. As I got older and made friends with some of the engine builders at the boat races, I sought their expertise. Both Phil Stock and Paul Grichar generously allowed me into their shops to build a couple of boat motors (separately and at different times). I learned a lot from those guys including that I should leave the serious motor builds to the pros. lol
 

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It sounds important to you and your son. Just slap it together with what you have and drive it. If your needs change in a few years than change it. It sounds to me like you need a runner. Not a pro touring car. Not a drag car. Just a runner. Getter done
 

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Use the big block and put a TKX tremec behind it with a Hydraulic clutch. They shift better and the clutch will be like butter. Leave the cam. The oval ports will run out around there anyway.
 

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Use the big block and put a TKX tremec behind it with a Hydraulic clutch. They shift better and the clutch will be like butter. Leave the cam. The oval ports will run out around there anyway.
My brother put one of those in his Skylark. Took out the M22. Better spacing. Plus OD is nice. Dual disc clutch for easy pedal, but it rattles in neutral throttle situations. Got the shifter option (read expensive) that put the shifter in the stock location.
 

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Good read ... Anyone needs a Mid 70's LS6 crate motor for a project like this , I just happened to have one :cool:
 
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