Bang bang deAF

[Hullbilly]

Low standards procedure poor results. It’s not a true measurement. CAG and DEVGRU shoot 5-10k rounds a month and if you asked them they would say it still not enough.

Not sure where your going with this....

 

[Blackmagic94]

Exactly where you don’t want to go. The typical LEO does not train enough with firearms to be proficient at the level that is truely required. It’s not mandiated due to cost and it’s not done independently by the person due to interest, cost or time.


Your semi annual or annual qualification standards are a joke.

 

[Hullbilly]

Exactly where you don’t want to go. The typical LEO does not train enough with firearms to be proficient at the level that is truely required. It’s not mandiated due to cost and it’s not done independently by the person due to interest, cost or time.


Your semi annual or annual qualification standards are a joke.

My bad operator, if only we all had your experience and training.

 

[BONER]

Exactly where you don’t want to go. The typical LEO does not train enough with firearms to be proficient at the level that is truely required. It’s not mandiated due to cost and it’s not done independently by the person due to interest, cost or time.


Your semi annual or annual qualification standards are a joke.

Marines only Qualify once a Year....

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

We are not mandated to go bi weekly, that onus is ours. Quarterly quals are the only mandate.

I honestly don’t think it’s rare for guys to go to the range bi weekly. 20 mins to run through 6 mags is not a big commitment to being proficient. Every department/agency is different just like every leo is different. But since graduating from an academy I’ve never seen anyone come close to failing to qualify. Hence my interjection when someone labeled MOST leo’s as poor shots.

Perhaps we should leave lethal force to the self proclaimed top shot gun nuts of rdp.

I completely agree with you that it’s not a big commitment, but when you have to pay for your own ammo, even though you can write it off, people don’t go. I wouldn’t say they are poor shots, but I do wish more departments would get more involved training without having to have special assignment.

 

[ka0tyk]

I'd love to see a contest of RDP hit a moving target while riding in another moving target. Let alone having the adrenaline and fear of being killed. I'm surprised they landed 9 shots to be honest.

 

[Blackmagic94]

I'd love to see a contest of RDP hit a moving target while riding in another moving target. Let alone having the adrenaline and fear of being killed. I'm surprised they landed 9 shots to be honest.

The accuracy wasn’t really the problem there. The problem is they did mag dumps in a crowded area against a threat that never returned fire on them. Better training on that fresh officer might have kept him from being fired and his partner or FTO should have been more on the hook for not restraining him

If you want to see poor hit stats look at nypd. Of course the special trigger Glock installs on their g19s at 12 lbs can be partially to blame on those stats.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

What was the outcome of this, did I read somewhere that these two cops were fired because of the way it was handled?

I know one of the cops, he came to our house when they were investigating break-ins in our neighborhood, very nice guy.

 

[ka0tyk]

What was the outcome of this, did I read somewhere that these two cops were fired because of the way it was handled?

I know one of the cops, he came to our house when they were investigating break-ins in our neighborhood, very nice guy.

driver fired. (he did the majority of the shooting) passenger on leave.

 

[jetboatperformance]

I guess my thought would be that rather than "cowboy" multiple 9mm clips/ rounds out the drivers window and thru it, Why didnt the shotgun side leo use the M4 and shoot more accurately instead seems like a lot less wasted effort and ammo, the rifle would have to be more accurate , interesting to see the review boars conclusions regarding public endangerment for a pursuit/shooting of a GTA on an old pickup

 

[wsuwrhr]

At least it wasn't AT you...

Ex-Wife fired my 45 from the passengers seat of my truck one night driving through some rural mountains, my window was up and she did not have the muzzle out the window far enough, that hurt.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

What is it they say?...only fire if you know what's behind the target? LEO or not, dumbasses could have killed a lot more than the one they obviously had their sights on....9 of the 76 times the triggers were pulled.

It's Anaheim, Ca. Pretty sure no one lives there but illegals, criminals, and the homeless.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Does it matter that they were being fired upon?

I guess my thought would be that rather than "cowboy" multiple 9mm clips/ rounds out the drivers window and thru it, Why didnt the shotgun side leo use the M4 and shoot more accurately instead seems like a lot less wasted effort and ammo, the rifle would have to be more accurate , interesting to see the review boars conclusions regarding public endangerment for a pursuit/shooting of a GTA on an old pickup

 

[wsuwrhr]

Yessir, I hear that. Handgun prolly pretty hard, never really tried. Shotgun or other long gun....Im in.....RDP event?

Brian

I'd love to see a contest of RDP hit a moving target while riding in another moving target. Let alone having the adrenaline and fear of being killed. I'm surprised they landed 9 shots to be honest.

 

[DaveC]

Hard to tell in the video but do you think they were fired upon? Maybe at the onset? The suspect looks like he was in a hurry to get the fuck out of there. LOL Dude should be a stunt driver.

What is the correct police procedure for pursuit if NOT being fired upon? Just curious I dunno?

 

[Backlash]

Which incident happened first? This shooting in Anaheim or the similar incident involving shooting at a suspect during a pursuit in Las Vegas?? Just curious....

 

[wsuwrhr]

I thought the audio had the officers saying the perp had the firearm out the window and was firing back at them.

Hard to tell in the video but do you think they were fired upon? Maybe at the onset? The suspect looks like he was in a hurry to get the fuck out of there. LOL Dude should be a stunt driver.

What is the correct police procedure for pursuit if NOT being fired upon? Just curious I dunno?

 

[Backlash]

That's what I heard too. I also heard the family were the ones who called APD and heard they said the deceased was acting irrationally or something like that. So maybe the officers didn't know who he was and they were simply responding to a call? I don't know. Crazy deal for sure though.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Hard to tell in the video but do you think they were fired upon? Maybe at the onset? The suspect looks like he was in a hurry to get the fuck out of there. LOL Dude should be a stunt driver.

What is the correct police procedure for pursuit if NOT being fired upon? Just curious I dunno?

Suspect had a BB air pistol.

 

[DaveC]

Da fuck? Seriously? Suicide by cop?.

What a dick. He could have done it without the dukes of hazzard chase endangering so many people. Jackwagon!

Suspect had a BB air pistol.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Aw....that's no good in the court of public opinion.

Suspect had a BB air pistol.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Da fuck? Seriously? Suicide by cop?.

What a dick. He could have done it without the dukes of hazzard chase endangering so many people. Jackwagon!

Lesson learned, he won’t do that again.

 

[DaveC]

I do love a happy ending. Just wished he learned his lesson earlier.

Lesson learned, he won’t do that again.

 

[poncho]

At least it wasn't AT you...

Haha,
Probably a few times not out of the realm of possible

 

[monkeyswrench]

Yessir, I hear that. Handgun prolly pretty hard, never really tried. Shotgun or other long gun....Im in.....RDP event?

Brian

Rental cars with RDSUX stickers, and paintball guns...RDP meets NitroCircus

 

[4Waters]

Marines only Qualify once a Year....

Yeah but every single Marine is an Army marksman.

 

[BONER]

Yeah but every single Marine is an Army marksman.

Aaaaaand here we go! Hahaha

 

[Ballyhoo]

Exactly where you don’t want to go. The typical LEO does not train enough with firearms to be proficient at the level that is truely required. It’s not mandiated due to cost and it’s not done independently by the person due to interest, cost or time.


Your semi annual or annual qualification standards are a joke.

Every dept is different and many qualify once a month. To help put things in perspective a little, cops have many different training requirements to maintain. In California they are required to have a minimum of 24 hours of accredited training per year. This is along with hours of other types of training that is required. Firearms training is expensive, time consuming and manpower intensive. Unfortunately many small agencies don't have the money to train once per month.

I would love to see all agencies train with firearms as often as possible but it comes down to $$ and time. 99% plus of a cops time is not spent in gunfights which is a good thing. Most cops will never fire their weapon in a 30 year career.

The average cop is not a "gun guy." However; they get good training and are proficient to a set standard. Many cops do train on their own to help keep up their skills. I know there are many folks that shoot IDPA, IPSC and the like every weekend. Good for them, its a fun thing to do. I have done that also and I enjoy doing it but its a lot different than being in a real life and death situation.

I know that there are many folks who are not cops and are great target shooters or who excel in IDPA or ISPC types of competitions. For cops, gun fighting is almost a negligible part of their career. How would you do when bullets start to fly? Are you certain how you would react? How would you do with the remaining 99% of the job?

My two cents on the video: Legally justifiable shooting all day long. Obvious to me that the cops likely violated a number of department policies. That is not unusual in these types of situations but its easy to fire the probationary cop. The other cop will get unpaid days off.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Every dept is different and many qualify once a month. To help put things in perspective a little, cops have many different training requirements to maintain. In California they are required to have a minimum of 24 hours of accredited training per year. This is along with hours of other types of training that is required. Firearms training is expensive, time consuming and manpower intensive. Unfortunately many small agencies don't have the money to train once per month.

I would love to see all agencies train with firearms as often as possible but it comes down to $$ and time. 99% plus of a cops time is not spent in gunfights which is a good thing. Most cops will never fire their weapon in a 30 year career.

The average cop is not a "gun guy." However; they get good training and are proficient to a set standard. Many cops do train on their own to help keep up their skills. I know there are many folks that shoot IDPA, IPSC and the like every weekend. Good for them, its a fun thing to do. I have done that also and I enjoy doing it but its a lot different than being in a real life and death situation.

I know that there are many folks who are not cops and are great target shooters or who excel in IDPA or ISPC types of competitions. For cops, gun fighting is almost a negligible part of their career. How would you do when bullets start to fly? Are you certain how you would react? How would you do with the remaining 99% of the job?


My two cents on the video: Legally justifiable shooting all day long. Obvious to me that the cops likely violated a number of department policies. That is not unusual in these types of situations but its easy to fire the probationary cop. The other cop will get unpaid days off.

A three gun competition with the targets shooting back would not be nearly the same as what most are used to. I agree completely. Most people I know are even effected by the shooters in the next lanes. Combat veterans are accustomed to it, but that's a whole different ballgame. The rules of engagement are quite different in Camel-burpistan than in South Central...I don't think they should be.

FWIW, I think the shooting part of law enforcement, meaning breaking leather on duty, would be possibly easier than the rest of the job. Kill or be killed, you will do what you can to survive. Arresting someone who has done horrible things to a child, the elderly or disabled person... To me, that takes a certain mindset that I am lacking. I have somewhat curtailed my temper in the past years, but some things take too much time in the courts.

 

[Backlash]

Not to change the subject too much, but there is an interesting assembly bill in the works right now. If passed, it could cause some issues in the law enforcement community. Any opinions on that topic?

 

[Ballyhoo]

Not to change the subject too much, but there is an interesting assembly bill in the works right now. If passed, it could cause some issues in the law enforcement community. Any opinions on that topic?

If that gets through, it will put cops in peril both on the street and in the courts. Its more stupidity from the progressive left.