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EngineeringInteresting how the pool is built on the edge of the hill side .
Special permits needed ?
EngineeringInteresting how the pool is built on the edge of the hill side .
Special permits needed ?
What’s wrong with Desert Storm Pools?Mohave Pools. I'm building now. They started a month early and I'm happy so far.
Stay away from desert storm.
Sandcastle will take forever .
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Don't forget about that free labor that helped shovel and spread that 20 tons of gravel.........I was more than happy with Code Blue Pools. Robert (909) 728-6422 He isn’t the guy who will call you constantly but will call you back or answer every time you reach out and update you any time you ask him to.
We started reaching out to companies in May. Set an appointment for a mid November consultation with Sandcastle with them saying they wouldn’t even try to build until February (they never reached out or made their appointment even though our pool was finished by then). Never got a call back from Desert Storm even though I spoke with the office person twice. Talked with @RichieRich and called Code Blue who was finishing up his pool.
Got renderings and $70k quote for 15x30 pool and 6x8 hot tub with 800sqft travertine decking. With a $1k deposit on Memorial Day he set a planned start of August. Didn’t even cash the check until after they finished the dig and the first 1/4 was due. Finished it up end of November with extras of full automation, crane to lift equipment needed due to walls and grade differences between properties, rod iron style fence panels on 90’ of wall to meet 5’ height, 1000sqft of travertine, and two 100gal propane tanks installed for a grand total just under $78k. I’ve got a thread where I documented my milestones along the way.
Even let me use a mini bobcat for 2 days to grade and get 20 tons of gravel into the yard to do my landscaping. I just couldn’t bring myself to pay for a landscaper.
Interesting that you would say that about Desert Storm. We used them for our pool/spa and were very happy with our experience. On time, very professional, great communication and promises kept. I wouldn't hesitate to use them on our next build.Mohave Pools. I'm building now. They started a month early and I'm happy so far.
Stay away from desert storm.
Sandcastle will take forever .
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I hope your crew is jogging lol.They take several months to complete in So cal and now a year or two in Havasu ?
Dig = 1 day
rebar/plumbing = 3 days
shotcrete = 1 day
grading and decks 3 days
electrical = 2 days
plaster = 1 day
So all that work takes place in 11 working days. Toss in a few weeks for stone and tile and you at 21 days of work.
What is the delay ? Is there really 11-23 months of waiting for inspectors and trying to find subs ?
$80-100k had Desert Storm pools do the pool and Jerry from river action landscape.In Lake Havasu City, thinking of buying a new home with a bare dirt backyard. Yard roughly 35x70.
Want a 15x30 pool, hardscape, some desert plantings. Typical pool. Nothing fancy. Just a Joe Average buildout.
What is a ballpark budget to convert the dirt to pool and finished back yard? $100k? Too high? Too low?
$80-100k had Desert Storm pools do the pool and Jerry from river action landscape.
Has Arron from copper canyon masonry do the retaining wall.
Very happy with all three
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I hope your crew is jogging lol.
We sign a contract. When it came time to perform he said he didn't want to do my pool anymore. So then I had to scramble to find another pool contractor. Which cost me more$$. So to me DS is shady as fuck. I've heard other home owners stories too.What’s wrong with Desert Storm Pools?
When did he complete yours? He did a great job for my friends when he left sandcastle that why I called him. All good until it came to perform on mineInteresting that you would say that about Desert Storm. We used them for our pool/spa and were very happy with our experience. On time, very professional, great communication and promises kept. I wouldn't hesitate to use them on our next build.
He was shady as fuck when he worked at Sandcastle, we refused to allow him back on our property and stared working with the owner since he was such a d bag. He was fired shortly thereafter.We sign a contract. When it came time to perform he said he didn't want to do my pool anymore. So then I had to scramble to find another pool contractor. Which cost me more$$. So to me DS is shady as fuck. I've heard other home owners stories too.
Manley Johnson started the pool bbq structure today. 16 x16.5 footprint stucco and tile to match the house behind the rv garage and pavers to match the poolLooks great!
I’m assuming this is for a basic pool?They take several months to complete in So cal and now a year or two in Havasu ?
Dig = 1 day
rebar/plumbing = 3 days
shotcrete = 1 day
grading and decks 3 days
electrical = 2 days
plaster = 1 day
So all that work takes place in 11 working days. Toss in a few weeks for stone and tile and you at 21 days of work.
What is the delay ? Is there really 11-23 months of waiting for inspectors and trying to find subs ?
When did he complete yours? He did a great job for my friends when he left sandcastle that why I called him. All good until it came to perform on mine
Most likely that was the difference 2019 compared to 2021. You got at the good time.He completed ours at Christmas time in 2019. I honestly don't know how many he had going then.
Done three pools in the last 5 years with SandCastle, yes it was slow, but what isnt in this town, aside from that we have always been happy with the results and the process.So far, I've got 1 company that says they will work with me to get a design and estimate but are a few months out on builds (Code Blue).
Another company said no bids anymore and more than a year out (Advantage).
And 2 companies where I found some pretty terrible reviews and bad experiences and now not wanting to call them (Mohave and Sandcastle).
Will try Desert Storm next.
More than basic. Pool, spa, fire pit, yard was a blank slate.I’m assuming this is for a basic pool?
Digging I would think 2-3 days between dropping off equipment, confirming layout with client and solidifying last minute changes now that they see the hole in the ground.
Plumbing 2-3 days. Same scenario confirming the client doesn’t want to add anything else. Because once steel goes down it’ll be 2-3x the cost to make a change.
Rebar 2 days?
Shot Crete 1 day
Grading and decks I would say a week
Electrical would take longer than 2 days unless it’s just 1 pool light and a feed from the main. And we’re only talking conduit.
Plaster 1 day
Now granted my experience in these backyard remodels is typically large custom stuff. But that usually involves multiple client, designer & contractor meetings. Like 2 times a week for 2 hours.
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We also need to get everyone on the same schedule. You could finish step one on Thursday but step 2 isn’t free until Tuesday. Plus inspections. Most subs aren’t going to schedule a crew based upon “we should pass today”
I got quotes from Blue Mirage (Nov 2020), MVR Pools (Aug 2020) , Ideal Pools (Nov 2020), Desert Storm (May 2020), and Sandcastle (Nov 2020). I ended up going with Sandcastle and I was around $90k. The travertine at approx. $12 a SF adds up quickly but looks bitchen! I also went with a chiller for another $6k or so. Sandcastle also includes mini-pebble in their price. I also added the glass beads.So far, I've got 1 company that says they will work with me to get a design and estimate but are a few months out on builds (Code Blue).
Another company said no bids anymore and more than a year out (Advantage).
And 2 companies where I found some pretty terrible reviews and bad experiences and now not wanting to call them (Mohave and Sandcastle).
Will try Desert Storm next.
right!! And your even less then realityI’m assuming this is for a basic pool?
Digging I would think 2-3 days between dropping off equipment, confirming layout with client and solidifying last minute changes now that they see the hole in the ground.
Plumbing 2-3 days. Same scenario confirming the client doesn’t want to add anything else. Because once steel goes down it’ll be 2-3x the cost to make a change.
Rebar 2 days?
Shot Crete 1 day
Grading and decks I would say a week
Electrical would take longer than 2 days unless it’s just 1 pool light and a feed from the main. And we’re only talking conduit.
Plaster 1 day
Now granted my experience in these backyard remodels is typically large custom stuff. But that usually involves multiple client, designer & contractor meetings. Like 2 times a week for 2 hours.
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We also need to get everyone on the same schedule. You could finish step one on Thursday but step 2 isn’t free until Tuesday. Plus inspections. Most subs aren’t going to schedule a crew based upon “we should pass today”
My buddy just got a quote for his pool in Vegas. This is $249k. Insane. He says the main reason he is doing it was that his Dad told him to add a pool for his kids on his deathbed last year.
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Keep in mind this was a Havasu pool not so cal.right!! And your even less then reality
1-2 days demo, grass, concrete, grading
2-3 days lay out, form, and excavate. Assuming no rock etc needing breaker to demo and dig
1-2 days rebar for a normal pool, many can take a week plus
2-4 days plumbing, gas, elect under ground
1 day inspection ( when that city can do, now a days many is not next day, some isn’t even until next week )
1 day shotcrete ( technically supposed to wait 28 days for cure before proceeding with any work on or in pool, no one waits or now used as excuse lol )
1 day set up forms for pour in place concrete coping
1 day pour coping
1 day remove forms and pressure wash coping
1 day brown coat water line and raised walls
1-2 days tile and stone work assuming basic tile,stone, and details. If glass should add 28days between setting and grouting, high end tile and stone can take weeks to set alone
1-2 days deck drains
1-2 days form deck and set rebar and tie in deck bonding to pool
1 day pre deck inspection
1 day pour deck
1 day remove forms and pressure wash deck
1-2 days set equipment complete Elec and Gas tie ins paint etc…
1 day rebuild access wall, flip gates, add springs, add door alarms
1 day pre plaster inspection
1 day pebble
1 day acid wash / pressure wash pool
1-2 days fill pool
1 day start up equipment
1 day final clean up and train how to on controls, how to reset lights, etc
This is in a perfect world with no other work going on and all work in house. No change orders, no add ons. Add subs, now your at their mercy for what day they can start. Every day between when they can start and finish adds more days to build timeframe.
Add in days for owners to make selections. Days for materials that are no longer in stock. Days for missing sick workers. Days for broken equipment because everyone is going 100+ and no time for maintenance so fix as it breaks. The list goes on.
‘X’s that by how ever many jobs that builder has. Divide that by how ever many workers Or subs he has = equals how long a project will take to complete.
Can a pool be built in 15 days, sure but good luck finding anyone sitting at home w a crew to do it.
Subscribed!I'm enjoying reading all of the hypothetical timelines above. I sure wish any of those were our experience. Perhaps they would have been if we hadn't selected Shasta Pools in Phoenix to do our job.
Today is day 453 and we still aren't finished.
I'll be sharing the facts of our experience in my own thread on here as soon as my blood temp drops below the point of boiling.
Havasu in general sucks for any work, regardless of what you need done.Keep in mind this was a Havasu pool not so cal.
No natural gas. No drains with cored curbs etc. No demo because the yard was a blank slate. No rock formations. One day to remove forms ? It took one guy about an hour max.
It is your world so you know there are many variables but I have been thru a big build in So Cal with LOT's of rock work, grotto water falls , water slide , BBQ island , lots of decking and walls. I have also been thru a Havasu build pool, spa, fire pit , travertine on the beam , spa and fire pit but other than that its all concrete including the coping.
My point was in both cases there are very few days of actual people on site working. On the flip side there are many days of just sitting around wondering if anyone is working or are they out on the lake.
As a pool GC clearly you can't think that 1 year to build a modest pool and spa is normal ?
In Havasu labor is very thin and that is the frustration.
My pool GC in Havasu said his main go to as a stone/travertine guy has a 110 pool backlog and told him not to call him for at least a year and half.
We can disagree about working days 25 vs 65 but the reality is that the NON working days in Havasu are way off the charts.
My brother owned a home in Kaui and labor was the same way. If it was breaking, no work was getting done that day. In havasu when there is no wind and the lake is nice then good luck getting people to show up.
I have a friend in Havasu that told me the problem with the Havasu work ethic is that you have a huge number of young workers that want the same lifestyle and pace of work as the 55-70 year old retired people that spend all the money here and they forget that those people spent 30-40 years working so now they can afford live like that.
Don’t think I could have gotten it all finished before my snowbirds came in without your help.Don't forget about that free labor that helped shovel and spread that 20 tons of gravel.........
That’s what I did !My great idea for my place in BHC is to get an above ground swim spa like 16-20ft long. It’s just a giant party jacuzzi really. I may need to get a crane, have a slab poured and a sub panel but that’s about it. Boom I’m done in two weeks.
I did the same but put mine 1/2 in a concrete vault, so it is only 2 feet above ground.That’s what I did ! View attachment 1086861 View attachment 1086862
I WISH those Queen Palms would survive here, better get familiar with the Mexican Fans lol. Awesome design!Update: Contracted with Masonry and More for perimeter and retaining walls (tiered on slopes). This work should be done by May.
And contracted with Sandcastle on the pool. On the calendar for September dig. Evolved a bit from a basic pool!
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That looks really nice. How does the articfial rock hold up in Havasu ?Update: Contracted with Masonry and More for perimeter and retaining walls (tiered on slopes). This work should be done by May.
And contracted with Sandcastle on the pool. On the calendar for September dig. Evolved a bit from a basic pool!
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Looks awesome!!Our Havasu pool is finally done. We used Desert Storm and are very happy with the process, timeline, price etc. I give them 5 stars.
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Pavers go to upper lot, fully walled with a gate to get UTV into the wash. Room for a casita or something up there. Right now its just gravel and a fire ring.Looks great! Where are the sloped pavers headed?