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Interesting how the pool is built on the edge of the hill side .
Special permits needed ?
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I was more than happy with Code Blue Pools. Robert (909) 728-6422 He isn’t the guy who will call you constantly but will call you back or answer every time you reach out and update you any time you ask him to.

We started reaching out to companies in May. Set an appointment for a mid November consultation with Sandcastle with them saying they wouldn’t even try to build until February (they never reached out or made their appointment even though our pool was finished by then). Never got a call back from Desert Storm even though I spoke with the office person twice. Talked with @RichieRich and called Code Blue who was finishing up his pool.

Got renderings and $70k quote for 15x30 pool and 6x8 hot tub with 800sqft travertine decking. With a $1k deposit on Memorial Day he set a planned start of August. Didn’t even cash the check until after they finished the dig and the first 1/4 was due. Finished it up end of November with extras of full automation, crane to lift equipment needed due to walls and grade differences between properties, rod iron style fence panels on 90’ of wall to meet 5’ height, 1000sqft of travertine, and two 100gal propane tanks installed for a grand total just under $78k. I’ve got a thread where I documented my milestones along the way.

Even let me use a mini bobcat for 2 days to grade and get 20 tons of gravel into the yard to do my landscaping. I just couldn’t bring myself to pay for a landscaper.
Don't forget about that free labor that helped shovel and spread that 20 tons of gravel.........🤣🤣🤣
 

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They take several months to complete in So cal and now a year or two in Havasu ?

Dig = 1 day
rebar/plumbing = 3 days
shotcrete = 1 day
grading and decks 3 days
electrical = 2 days
plaster = 1 day

So all that work takes place in 11 working days. Toss in a few weeks for stone and tile and you at 21 days of work.

What is the delay ? Is there really 11-23 months of waiting for inspectors and trying to find subs ?
 

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Mohave Pools. I'm building now. They started a month early and I'm happy so far.
Stay away from desert storm.
Sandcastle will take forever .
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Interesting that you would say that about Desert Storm. We used them for our pool/spa and were very happy with our experience. On time, very professional, great communication and promises kept. I wouldn't hesitate to use them on our next build.
 

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They take several months to complete in So cal and now a year or two in Havasu ?

Dig = 1 day
rebar/plumbing = 3 days
shotcrete = 1 day
grading and decks 3 days
electrical = 2 days
plaster = 1 day

So all that work takes place in 11 working days. Toss in a few weeks for stone and tile and you at 21 days of work.

What is the delay ? Is there really 11-23 months of waiting for inspectors and trying to find subs ?
I hope your crew is jogging lol.
 

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In Lake Havasu City, thinking of buying a new home with a bare dirt backyard. Yard roughly 35x70.
Want a 15x30 pool, hardscape, some desert plantings. Typical pool. Nothing fancy. Just a Joe Average buildout.
What is a ballpark budget to convert the dirt to pool and finished back yard? $100k? Too high? Too low?
$80-100k had Desert Storm pools do the pool and Jerry from river action landscape.
Had Arron from copper canyon masonry do the retaining wall.
Very happy with all three

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What’s wrong with Desert Storm Pools?
We sign a contract. When it came time to perform he said he didn't want to do my pool anymore. So then I had to scramble to find another pool contractor. Which cost me more$$. So to me DS is shady as fuck. I've heard other home owners stories too.
 
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Interesting that you would say that about Desert Storm. We used them for our pool/spa and were very happy with our experience. On time, very professional, great communication and promises kept. I wouldn't hesitate to use them on our next build.
When did he complete yours? He did a great job for my friends when he left sandcastle that why I called him. All good until it came to perform on mine
 

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We sign a contract. When it came time to perform he said he didn't want to do my pool anymore. So then I had to scramble to find another pool contractor. Which cost me more$$. So to me DS is shady as fuck. I've heard other home owners stories too.
He was shady as fuck when he worked at Sandcastle, we refused to allow him back on our property and stared working with the owner since he was such a d bag. He was fired shortly thereafter.
 

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Have recieved a couple quotes for just a pool in southern utah.

30x16 with a 8x8 spa. # led lights and good equipment.

Just the pool and coping 80-120k with zero landscaping or decking and most places are to busy to call you back or show up. The 120k company is very professional but said it would be a 6-8 month build.
 

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They take several months to complete in So cal and now a year or two in Havasu ?

Dig = 1 day
rebar/plumbing = 3 days
shotcrete = 1 day
grading and decks 3 days
electrical = 2 days
plaster = 1 day

So all that work takes place in 11 working days. Toss in a few weeks for stone and tile and you at 21 days of work.

What is the delay ? Is there really 11-23 months of waiting for inspectors and trying to find subs ?
I’m assuming this is for a basic pool?

Digging I would think 2-3 days between dropping off equipment, confirming layout with client and solidifying last minute changes now that they see the hole in the ground.

Plumbing 2-3 days. Same scenario confirming the client doesn’t want to add anything else. Because once steel goes down it’ll be 2-3x the cost to make a change.

Rebar 2 days?

Shot Crete 1 day

Grading and decks I would say a week

Electrical would take longer than 2 days unless it’s just 1 pool light and a feed from the main. And we’re only talking conduit.

Plaster 1 day

Now granted my experience in these backyard remodels is typically large custom stuff. But that usually involves multiple client, designer & contractor meetings. Like 2 times a week for 2 hours.

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We also need to get everyone on the same schedule. You could finish step one on Thursday but step 2 isn’t free until Tuesday. Plus inspections. Most subs aren’t going to schedule a crew based upon “we should pass today”
 
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When did he complete yours? He did a great job for my friends when he left sandcastle that why I called him. All good until it came to perform on mine

He completed ours at Christmas time in 2019. I honestly don't know how many he had going then.
 
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He completed ours at Christmas time in 2019. I honestly don't know how many he had going then.
Most likely that was the difference 2019 compared to 2021. You got at the good time.👍🏼
 

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So far, I've got 1 company that says they will work with me to get a design and estimate but are a few months out on builds (Code Blue).
Another company said no bids anymore and more than a year out (Advantage).
And 2 companies where I found some pretty terrible reviews and bad experiences and now not wanting to call them (Mohave and Sandcastle).
Will try Desert Storm next.
 

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So far, I've got 1 company that says they will work with me to get a design and estimate but are a few months out on builds (Code Blue).
Another company said no bids anymore and more than a year out (Advantage).
And 2 companies where I found some pretty terrible reviews and bad experiences and now not wanting to call them (Mohave and Sandcastle).
Will try Desert Storm next.
Done three pools in the last 5 years with SandCastle, yes it was slow, but what isnt in this town, aside from that we have always been happy with the results and the process.
 

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I’m assuming this is for a basic pool?

Digging I would think 2-3 days between dropping off equipment, confirming layout with client and solidifying last minute changes now that they see the hole in the ground.

Plumbing 2-3 days. Same scenario confirming the client doesn’t want to add anything else. Because once steel goes down it’ll be 2-3x the cost to make a change.

Rebar 2 days?

Shot Crete 1 day

Grading and decks I would say a week

Electrical would take longer than 2 days unless it’s just 1 pool light and a feed from the main. And we’re only talking conduit.

Plaster 1 day

Now granted my experience in these backyard remodels is typically large custom stuff. But that usually involves multiple client, designer & contractor meetings. Like 2 times a week for 2 hours.

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We also need to get everyone on the same schedule. You could finish step one on Thursday but step 2 isn’t free until Tuesday. Plus inspections. Most subs aren’t going to schedule a crew based upon “we should pass today”
More than basic. Pool, spa, fire pit, yard was a blank slate.


Either way toss in another 10-15 days thats still 36 working days. Should not take a year, but it does. I get it ! Labor is hard to find in Havasu.

I have two friends who build pools and they say it is 18 actual days of work.

But to the OP

$100K for pool, spa, walls, landscape is doable.
 

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So far, I've got 1 company that says they will work with me to get a design and estimate but are a few months out on builds (Code Blue).
Another company said no bids anymore and more than a year out (Advantage).
And 2 companies where I found some pretty terrible reviews and bad experiences and now not wanting to call them (Mohave and Sandcastle).
Will try Desert Storm next.
I got quotes from Blue Mirage (Nov 2020), MVR Pools (Aug 2020) , Ideal Pools (Nov 2020), Desert Storm (May 2020), and Sandcastle (Nov 2020). I ended up going with Sandcastle and I was around $90k. The travertine at approx. $12 a SF adds up quickly but looks bitchen! I also went with a chiller for another $6k or so. Sandcastle also includes mini-pebble in their price. I also added the glass beads.

Sandcastle started about 10 days past their scheduled March 2021 dig date and finished about 30 days past what we were hoping for. Started filing pool first week of August. I signed contract first week of December. No problems with Sandcastle, I would use them again in a heartbeat. Like most Havasu contractors, communication is a foreign language out there.

Blue Mirage - cool dude, competitive price, but opted not to go with him. He had an early dig date too.

Desert Storm - NO COMMENT!! FTP if you’re into George Lopez.

MVR Pools - awesome dude, just a litte too old school for me. He does almost all the work himself. His family is Van Rooy Plumbing so I am sure the u/g piping is second to none. Just needed to see some art renditions and not a trace in the dirt with the heel of the boot. He was my second choice.

Ideal Pools - he was my original pick but he ended up ghosting me after several emails and calls. I’m not going to beg someone to take my money. I moved on.

So why does an 11 day process take 4 freakin months? Sandcastle had to first schedule Tiger Trenching. One crew is pretty much dedicated to Sandcastle. Then the plumbers have to come in to start the piping. Sandcastle does that in house and only have 1 or 2 crews. My plumbers were at my house probably 4 days laying the pipe (LOL). Now imagine if they were at each project 4 days, get in line buddy if there’s only 1 crew. Then.you wait and wait and wait. Rebar guys come in probably every 3 weeks from CA or NV or Phoenix area. If you miss your window, you wait another 3 weeks. Then you get inspection for rebar. WhoHoo, you passed. Guess what, you wait the next 3 week rotation until the CA shotcrete guys come in and shoot your pool. Now your pool needs to cure. If you know concrete, you know concrete needs to cure. But don’t worry, your pool contractor factors in your cure time to schedule your plaster guy. You guessed right, he’s also from CA and only comes to AZ every 3 weeks to shoot numerous pools. If one pool holds up the line, all pools downstream get affected. Same goes for shotcrete. You hope nothing happens on their other scheduled pours.

I didn’t even touch on the travertine. That shit was hard to get during the heart of the pandemic. That was also a huge impact to the schedule. Luckily Brock (Sandcastle) purchased and stockpiled as much as he could.

My buddy used Advantage Pools and had to finish up the pool on his own including getting the Final. It started off bad and never improved. They were one I never called.

Another buddy called Mohave Pools. He started his dig around a week of my dig and was swimming in June. He signed his contract in February 2021. But to be honest, he had some pull with them.

Light a candle and pray. You’re going to need it. My build with Sandcastle only took a few months off my life and not years. Happy for that.
 
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I’m assuming this is for a basic pool?

Digging I would think 2-3 days between dropping off equipment, confirming layout with client and solidifying last minute changes now that they see the hole in the ground.

Plumbing 2-3 days. Same scenario confirming the client doesn’t want to add anything else. Because once steel goes down it’ll be 2-3x the cost to make a change.

Rebar 2 days?

Shot Crete 1 day

Grading and decks I would say a week

Electrical would take longer than 2 days unless it’s just 1 pool light and a feed from the main. And we’re only talking conduit.

Plaster 1 day

Now granted my experience in these backyard remodels is typically large custom stuff. But that usually involves multiple client, designer & contractor meetings. Like 2 times a week for 2 hours.

Edit:

We also need to get everyone on the same schedule. You could finish step one on Thursday but step 2 isn’t free until Tuesday. Plus inspections. Most subs aren’t going to schedule a crew based upon “we should pass today”
right!! And your even less then reality
1-2 days demo, grass, concrete, grading
2-3 days lay out, form, and excavate. Assuming no rock etc needing breaker to demo and dig
1-2 days rebar for a normal pool, many can take a week plus
2-4 days plumbing, gas, elect under ground
1 day inspection ( when that city can do, now a days many is not next day, some isn’t even until next week )
1 day shotcrete ( technically supposed to wait 28 days for cure before proceeding with any work on or in pool, no one waits or now used as excuse lol )
1 day set up forms for pour in place concrete coping
1 day pour coping
1 day remove forms and pressure wash coping
1 day brown coat water line and raised walls
1-2 days tile and stone work assuming basic tile,stone, and details. If glass should add 28days between setting and grouting, high end tile and stone can take weeks to set alone
1-2 days deck drains
1-2 days form deck and set rebar and tie in deck bonding to pool
1 day pre deck inspection
1 day pour deck
1 day remove forms and pressure wash deck
1-2 days set equipment complete Elec and Gas tie ins paint etc…
1 day rebuild access wall, flip gates, add springs, add door alarms
1 day pre plaster inspection
1 day pebble
1 day acid wash / pressure wash pool
1-2 days fill pool
1 day start up equipment
1 day final clean up and train how to on controls, how to reset lights, etc

This is in a perfect world with no other work going on and all work in house. No change orders, no add ons. Add subs, now your at their mercy for what day they can start. Every day between when they can start and finish adds more days to build timeframe.
Add in days for owners to make selections. Days for materials that are no longer in stock. Days for missing sick workers. Days for broken equipment because everyone is going 100+ and no time for maintenance so fix as it breaks. The list goes on.
‘X’s that by how ever many jobs that builder has. Divide that by how ever many workers Or subs he has = equals how long a project will take to complete.

Can a pool be built in 15 days, sure but good luck finding anyone sitting at home w a crew to do it.
 

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right!! And your even less then reality
1-2 days demo, grass, concrete, grading
2-3 days lay out, form, and excavate. Assuming no rock etc needing breaker to demo and dig
1-2 days rebar for a normal pool, many can take a week plus
2-4 days plumbing, gas, elect under ground
1 day inspection ( when that city can do, now a days many is not next day, some isn’t even until next week )
1 day shotcrete ( technically supposed to wait 28 days for cure before proceeding with any work on or in pool, no one waits or now used as excuse lol )
1 day set up forms for pour in place concrete coping
1 day pour coping
1 day remove forms and pressure wash coping
1 day brown coat water line and raised walls
1-2 days tile and stone work assuming basic tile,stone, and details. If glass should add 28days between setting and grouting, high end tile and stone can take weeks to set alone
1-2 days deck drains
1-2 days form deck and set rebar and tie in deck bonding to pool
1 day pre deck inspection
1 day pour deck
1 day remove forms and pressure wash deck
1-2 days set equipment complete Elec and Gas tie ins paint etc…
1 day rebuild access wall, flip gates, add springs, add door alarms
1 day pre plaster inspection
1 day pebble
1 day acid wash / pressure wash pool
1-2 days fill pool
1 day start up equipment
1 day final clean up and train how to on controls, how to reset lights, etc

This is in a perfect world with no other work going on and all work in house. No change orders, no add ons. Add subs, now your at their mercy for what day they can start. Every day between when they can start and finish adds more days to build timeframe.
Add in days for owners to make selections. Days for materials that are no longer in stock. Days for missing sick workers. Days for broken equipment because everyone is going 100+ and no time for maintenance so fix as it breaks. The list goes on.
‘X’s that by how ever many jobs that builder has. Divide that by how ever many workers Or subs he has = equals how long a project will take to complete.

Can a pool be built in 15 days, sure but good luck finding anyone sitting at home w a crew to do it.
Keep in mind this was a Havasu pool not so cal.

No natural gas. No drains with cored curbs etc. No demo because the yard was a blank slate. No rock formations. One day to remove forms ? It took one guy about an hour max.

It is your world so you know there are many variables but I have been thru a big build in So Cal with LOT's of rock work, grotto water falls , water slide , BBQ island , lots of decking and walls. I have also been thru a Havasu build pool, spa, fire pit , travertine on the beam , spa and fire pit but other than that its all concrete including the coping.

My point was in both cases there are very few days of actual people on site working. On the flip side there are many days of just sitting around wondering if anyone is working or are they out on the lake.

As a pool GC clearly you can't think that 1 year to build a modest pool and spa is normal ?

In Havasu labor is very thin and that is the frustration.

My pool GC in Havasu said his main go to as a stone/travertine guy has a 110 pool backlog and told him not to call him for at least a year and half.

We can disagree about working days 25 vs 65 but the reality is that the NON working days in Havasu are way off the charts.

My brother owned a home in Kaui and labor was the same way. If it was breaking, no work was getting done that day. In havasu when there is no wind and the lake is nice then good luck getting people to show up.

I have a friend in Havasu that told me the problem with the Havasu work ethic is that you have a huge number of young workers that want the same lifestyle and pace of work as the 55-70 year old retired people that spend all the money here and they forget that those people spent 30-40 years working so now they can afford live like that.
 

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I'm enjoying reading all of the hypothetical timelines above. I sure wish any of those were our experience. Perhaps they would have been if we hadn't selected Shasta Pools in Phoenix to do our job.

Today is day 453 and we still aren't finished.

I'll be sharing the facts of our experience in my own thread on here as soon as my blood temp drops below the point of boiling.
 

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I'm enjoying reading all of the hypothetical timelines above. I sure wish any of those were our experience. Perhaps they would have been if we hadn't selected Shasta Pools in Phoenix to do our job.

Today is day 453 and we still aren't finished.

I'll be sharing the facts of our experience in my own thread on here as soon as my blood temp drops below the point of boiling.
Subscribed!
 

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Keep in mind this was a Havasu pool not so cal.

No natural gas. No drains with cored curbs etc. No demo because the yard was a blank slate. No rock formations. One day to remove forms ? It took one guy about an hour max.

It is your world so you know there are many variables but I have been thru a big build in So Cal with LOT's of rock work, grotto water falls , water slide , BBQ island , lots of decking and walls. I have also been thru a Havasu build pool, spa, fire pit , travertine on the beam , spa and fire pit but other than that its all concrete including the coping.

My point was in both cases there are very few days of actual people on site working. On the flip side there are many days of just sitting around wondering if anyone is working or are they out on the lake.

As a pool GC clearly you can't think that 1 year to build a modest pool and spa is normal ?

In Havasu labor is very thin and that is the frustration.

My pool GC in Havasu said his main go to as a stone/travertine guy has a 110 pool backlog and told him not to call him for at least a year and half.

We can disagree about working days 25 vs 65 but the reality is that the NON working days in Havasu are way off the charts.

My brother owned a home in Kaui and labor was the same way. If it was breaking, no work was getting done that day. In havasu when there is no wind and the lake is nice then good luck getting people to show up.

I have a friend in Havasu that told me the problem with the Havasu work ethic is that you have a huge number of young workers that want the same lifestyle and pace of work as the 55-70 year old retired people that spend all the money here and they forget that those people spent 30-40 years working so now they can afford live like that.
Havasu in general sucks for any work, regardless of what you need done.
The 1 day for removing forms is not just forms, it’s pressure washing topcast off, that is no hour long job, and it’s min 2 person one washing one scrubbing.
I don’t know of any builders that are taking a year to BUILD start to finish in havasu, year out is for start dates.
If a builder starts and takes a year on a normal job he‘s not a builder he‘s a thief. Using Peters money to finish Paul’s pool. Hopefully Preston’s pool starts so he can afford to finish peters pool.
Honestly id put money a large percentage of the actual “Labor” ( not the owners ) in havasu isn’t on the water. They don't have boats or toys, they don’t have nice homes, they live check to check, and they party because there’s nothing else to do. It’s get wasted and find something to poke. Go back to work when you can’t afford either.
Some of the young guys absolutely are all over the place trying to live the “lifestyle” but are far from earning it. They’ll learn or they won’t
 

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My great idea for my place in BHC is to get an above ground swim spa like 16-20ft long. It’s just a giant party jacuzzi really. I may need to get a crane, have a slab poured and a sub panel but that’s about it. Boom I’m done in two weeks.
 

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Update: Contracted with Masonry and More for perimeter and retaining walls (tiered on slopes). This work should be done by May.
And contracted with Sandcastle on the pool. On the calendar for September dig. Evolved a bit from a basic pool!
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Well that will be $240k by the time it’s done. 🤣🤣

Looks awesome. Would love to do have a big pool like that some day.
 

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Update: Contracted with Masonry and More for perimeter and retaining walls (tiered on slopes). This work should be done by May.
And contracted with Sandcastle on the pool. On the calendar for September dig. Evolved a bit from a basic pool!
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I WISH those Queen Palms would survive here, better get familiar with the Mexican Fans lol. Awesome design!
 

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Update: Contracted with Masonry and More for perimeter and retaining walls (tiered on slopes). This work should be done by May.
And contracted with Sandcastle on the pool. On the calendar for September dig. Evolved a bit from a basic pool!
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That looks really nice. How does the articfial rock hold up in Havasu ?

I have it at home in OC and I love the pool, waterfalls slide etc. but the artificial rock is a LOT of upkeep. My pool is 22 years old and it seems like every 5-6 years they need to be repaired and repainted. I would never do it again.
 

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That rendering above of a quarter million dollar pool and Las Vegas would be our patio cover material. I can tell because there’s no screws showing and it appears to be all aluminum no steel bullshit or Alumawood crap. To post in for post cantleiver designs are becoming very popular. I think we get our 10 1/2 inch tall beams in in the next month or so I believe engineering allows us to go about 18 feet out at that point without steel. No other can do this in all aluminum, much less this powder coat. 4K.
 

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Here is a video with the waterfalls running. Not sure if this attachment will work.
 

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All done with real rock. That slab over the grotto is the size of a car and probably weighs more.
 

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Looks great! Where are the sloped pavers headed?
 

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Seems a cool alternative:


 

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We'll be into our owner build in excess of 100K.
Automation & Install of equipment was 17K
Shotcrete was 14K
Dig was 15k which included demo of an exiting PL wall and moving it out 4'
Finish will be around 15K
Hardscape will be around 20K
Started in June, I'm figuring completion around March.

There are times I just want to jump into the deep end head first with no water dealing with contractors.
 
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