Have they fixed the astronomical rate of depreciation of European cars? Ive been out of the industry for a few years, it used to be a real deal breaker.
530rl, if you had purchased a Lambo you would not need the extended warranty:]! Most interesting all Lambos are unlimited mileage warranties, 3 years.
Have they fixed the astronomical rate of depreciation of European cars? Ive been out of the industry for a few years, it used to be a real deal breaker.
That is a good price for Ferrari maintenance in warranty for seven years. It cost me under $500 a year for maintenance.
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Lexus makes a great product, but I'm not sure what demographic they're focusing on now ?
Wealthy people who want a luxury car with minimal ownership costs.
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Wealthy people who want a luxury car with minimal ownership costs.
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I think you might mean "Wealthy Non-Car people" who are willing (Or don't know) to pay double or triple Toyota service rates so they can whack a few golf balls at a screen while drinking their latte and get treated with more dignity befitting their achieved or perceived life status.
My wife has driven a Lexus since 1990 not because I wanted her to, because SHE wanted to and 90% of that desire came from how she was treated at the dealership, not the vehicle itself. The glaring exception was her first one -- a 1990 LS 400, that car amazed and impressed me like no other I've ever owned. Certainly not the fastest I've owned, or best handling, but hands down the best in almost every "Comfort" and "Quality" category. That singular vehicle along with how the dealership treated her, got my wife hooked like some CarWooWooVoodoo addiction. Equally impressed with the LS I never balked at her continuing choices, plus we know the "Happy Wife -- life" motto, lol
But let me tell you, come service time, those service writers were never ever happy to see me walk in, especially back in the day when they were pushing every treatment and additive they could hustle out of their mostly naive customers.
Pretty interesting how much I got knocked off most service visits by nicely and respectfully calling BS and pushing back.
In truth we had on the average as many new car warranty claims and repairs as most any Ford or Chevy truck I've owned, but they weren't major components, just piss poor quality regardless. This is why unlike many on here, I'm not overly enamored with Toyota, they put cheap shit on their cars and trucks and their shit breaks too.
The one thing I couldn't help but notice with Lexus loaner vehicles and quite frankly got a real chuckle out of, is how beat to shit they are. Almost new loaner vehicle, maybe 3K miles and somehow that thing had gotten bumped or scratched on each corner already.
For me that was the true indicator of who was buying and driving Lexus vehicles.
So far with the Audi we've received the same excellent dealer experience and not suffered from any less quality. And you know what --- the Audi loaners we get don't come pre-dented, lol I think there's a message there about who drives Audi's compared to who drives Lexus's
I will say one thing --- if Lexus truly wants to sell luxury, they better re-hire the original seat designer because it's obvious friggin Japanese millennials never rode in the first LS or are accustomed to sitting on rocks Audi wins in that department hands down !!
Haha! I call them sole less vehicles. I get it though. Many people buy expensive things for accomplishment trophies. Toyota, I mean Lexus fills that niche very well.
Our Q7 is impressive for what it is and my interactions with Audi in both purchasing & service have been stellar.
Same with my BMW 550i. It’s got the msport pkg and its a sleeper hot rod. Aside from the way the car handles the bolstered seats hold you in like a glove. I really want a 911 but nothing says your gonna get screwed like a real estateguy in a 911. Lol!
Which one to respond to ? --- eenie meany miney moe, whoops can't say that anymore, lol
I can't argue with the soul less point, although I swear, if they still made (And or I could afford in today's prices) the original LS400 I'd buy one just for river trips. I drove that thing with only a couple of stops from San Diego to Portland OR. and when I got to OR I felt like I'd just driven a few miles, rather than beaten with a bat The other really fun Lexus was my wife's stick shift IS300, that was a hoot to drive fast. Used to chase Mustangs through the canyons with that puppy. After that, the line up got confusing, more like trying to appeal to everybody, but nobody in particular. I still find their cars like that 20 years later.
The last one was a GX470, no identity crisis there, it was a luxury 4Runner, we bought for travels to our ranch and it could tow.
Anyway, I get the Porsche 911 as a work car "Symbol". Years ago the company owner replaced his BMW740 for a new vroom vroom super Carrera, timing was right for a kinda mid-life crisis thing. Didn't keep it long, so I inquired why ? Seems he was getting a lot of "Oh, well aren't you making tons of money" kinda flack from various customers. Oddly they never said shit while driving his 740, but the Porsche brought certainly stirred some emotions. Went back to a 740 and status quo was reestablished.
Haha! It’s a real bitch. I absolutely love Porsche. Been to and toured the factory in Stugartt, rented a 911 S in Germany and tapped it out on the autobahn 300 kph. My wife doesn’t get it although after my recent interest ina Ducati she asked why not a Porsche? Lol!
I’ve even considered changing careers. Do Porsche salesmen do well?
Funny insinuating Lexus cars are Toyotas. Then going on about Audis...
The parallels between Audi/VW and Lexus/Toyota are quite similar in actuality.
Not making a value judgement, it is what it is.
If you have a bad dealer/service experience, or crappy loner cars, that’s in the dealership, not the factory. Same with any carmaker.
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Friend bought one for his wife and she loves it. Dealer service is great, they bought the longest max warranty avail.View attachment 659152 View attachment 659151 View attachment 659151
Car looks orange but it’s the sun sitting low, this is one sweet ride!
Drive one in a performance setting. You’ll understand. Even the cheapest Audi cars have the feeling in the chassis.
You keep quoting me and making statements that have nothing to do with what I posted.
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Funny insinuating Lexus cars are Toyotas. Then going on about Audis...
The parallels between Audi/VW and Lexus/Toyota are quite similar in actuality.
Not making a value judgement, it is what it is.
If you have a bad dealer/service experience, or crappy loner cars, that’s in the dealership, not the factory. Same with any carmaker.
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I'm an old baby boomer, I've gotten used to being slowly phased out of the market.
Shit yes, I'd drive that bitch for sure !!
I'm an old baby boomer, I've gotten used to being slowly phased out of the market.
The Harley thread is a good indicator of how reliance on an aging demographic is a great way to become irrelevant.
It’s unfortunate, but true.
There’s a saying:
You can sell an old man, a young man’s car.
But you can’t sell a young man, an old man’s car.
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I used to be a "never buy an out of warranty German car" guy. Then I got my 911, a car that is almost 20 years old but is still in like new condition. Granted, it has only 66K miles but everything about it, the way the doors close, the switchgear, the interior, etc is still tight and the way it drives is just amazing.
I now also have a 10 year old Audi that is the same. I recently did an APR tune on it and man, is it fun to drive!
Maintenance is definitely more on German cars but I think they have this certain untangle feel and build quality that makes them worth the extra money.