any pool builders here???? I have questions...

[2FORCEFULL]

So here's where it's at, it anit goona get done,... looks like shit... he never show up anywhere close to what he says.... it was supposed to be done 4-15-18, then got pushed to positively 5-1-18...as you can see .... not done and no show, won't return or answer my calls...the real problem is this.... I did this remodel for my wife as her first born is getting Married, and we are having a wedding party at our house...I should never have even started this project, but every one that bid on it said they would for sure be done way before 4-15-18. next problem, one of the 2ff's is crazy,... and he really goes crazy when someone makes his wife cry...the mother fuckers on this planet that think they can just keep fuc'n people over amaze me.... why can't people just do what they say, and you pay them..what makes them think that they can keep fuc'n with peoples emotions with no retaliation ....i'm way off my meds right now...and just don't see how there are so many people that these kind of people keep doing this shit over and over...now to top it off... the business lic # he gave us is no good...and the contractors board don't care , and won't do nothing...WTF to do

 

[Moody]

Is this the same guy...https://app.nvcontractorsboard.com/...ared/Details.aspx?EntID=3949791&LicNum=110718

 

[Moody]

Is this the same guy...https://app.nvcontractorsboard.com/...ared/Details.aspx?EntID=3949791&LicNum=110718

https://www.facebook.com/jerry.romero

 

[Moody]

https://www.facebook.com/jerry.romero

https://www.houzz.com/browseReviews/jerry_romero/pool-tek-consultants/pprid=539835?lt=hl

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Is this the same guy...https://app.nvcontractorsboard.com/...ared/Details.aspx?EntID=3949791&LicNum=110718

I think so,... the ph # is out of service...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

https://www.facebook.com/jerry.romero

yes that's him...puffy...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

https://www.houzz.com/browseReviews/jerry_romero/pool-tek-consultants/pprid=539835?lt=hl

FUC.... how did you find that?????fits to a tee...

BEWARE! DO NOT HIRE! Unfortunately, I hired Jerry Romero from PoolTek Consultants to complete a re-plaster, re-tile, redo cool decking & pour a new concrete patio back in Oct 2015. Jerry said that job would take approx. 2 weeks to complete. I fired Jerry in Feb 2016 for the following reasons: The work was still not completed by Feb 2016. Found out Jerry had no contractors license in the State of Nevada. The tile work in the pool was unprofessionally cut (jagged edges), spacers weren't used thus the tiles were off centered, grout was missing in some areas. The concrete patio was not level, stairs rise & tread weren't standard measurements, Jerry had me pay for the concrete truck on-site because he had no money to pay for the concrete himself. Unresponsive to calls, text messages, emails & always had an excuse as to why he was unable to do the work. Never cleaned up after himself- left my yard a mess.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

what the fuc do you do now???? and why are there so many people like this in the boat, and pool business...I don't have these kind of problems or people in my business...I see the same problem though... people get in business and rob it so they can lride on the high horse... then don't pay their bills...the first thing I did was get my building paid in full... so no rent for 30 yrs...hac job muffler shops keep poping up that give thewhole business a bad name... 30 yrs in business and never have had to go to court with any one...and yes, I have banned a few people...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Is this the same guy...https://app.nvcontractorsboard.com/...ared/Details.aspx?EntID=3949791&LicNum=110718

so here's the big question,... do I run this guy off if he ever returns??? and are you gonna fix and repair it, and question # 3 where are we gonna watch the hockey game tonight?

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Steve if I were in your shoes at this moment I'd fire his ass. No matter what it sounds like the deadline for the wedding gathering is blown, so nothing will change that. You guys will have to find a work around.
That sucks.
That pool is gonna be in your back yard for a long time, and I know me well enough to know that every time I walked out there and looked at his work I;d think about that fly by night mofo and my blood pressure would go up. So I would be looking for someone to demo his work and start over.
Just me...
Sorry for the crap you are dealing with, and very sorry your wife is dealing with this. I know mine would be glued to the ceiling...

 

[Mandelon]

Is he licensed or not? Do you have a signed contract? What is your recourse as spelled out in the contract?

 

[RCDave]

Steve,

I have a contact in Vegas that might be able to help. Do you want someone else to call?

 

[Mike Honcho]

If he was actively licensed you could try to file against his bond if there is anything left. Usually this is considered a total loss, went through this with some piece of shit that ripped my parents off on their kitchen remodel. I ended up paying a visit with my old man and told the guy if you don't want to be found in a ditch turn over the rest of the cabinets and balance of shit owed but only got the cabinets.

Good Luck and sorry you have to go thru this

 

[2FORCEFULL]

So here's what's been happening,... went to see my lawyer...he has the desk side manner of a pompous dick, I walk in his office and he greets me with " now what the fuc did you do".. my usual respose... nothing, but I want you to look at this contract, and toss it on his desk....his response" WTF... don't come in here asking me to look at a contract that you already signed !!!!!" yeah... well what can I do now??? "nothing, this is the worst contract ever... it has no binding for either party, no date when to start, and no date when it has to be done by..and no payment schedule...you don't have to pay him..and he doesn't ever have to finish... if you lock him out, or have someone else finish, he sues you for the amount of the contract,... and he will win,.. you have to let him finish..if it's fuc'd up when hes done...pretty hard to prove, and you will spend more money fighting this guy then you will ever win,,so, get the foc out of here, let him finish, and remember , don't pay till he's done..

 

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[wsuwrhr]

Whelp, did you consider what the resident pool guy offered and what I suggested a week ago? No. OK.

Sorry you aren't having a good experience. You are a ways away from So Cal for sure, and that is the biggest issue.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I would assume a man of your stature would read a contract and know what you were signing sir.

Bummer

Brian

So here's what's been happening,... went to see my lawyer...he has the desk side manner of a pompous dick, I walk in his office and he greets me with " now what the fuc did you do".. my usual respose... nothing, but I want you to look at this contract, and toss it on his desk....his response" WTF... don't come in here asking me to look at a contract that you already signed !!!!!" yeah... well what can I do now??? "nothing, this is the worst contract ever... it has no binding for either party, no date when to start, and no date when it has to be done by..and no payment schedule...you don't have to pay him..and he doesn't ever have to finish... if you lock him out, or have someone else finish, he sues you for the amount of the contract,... and he will win,.. you have to let him finish..if it's fuc'd up when hes done...pretty hard to prove, and you will spend more money fighting this guy then you will ever win,,so, get the foc out of here, let him finish, and remember , don't pay till he's done..

 

[Riverbound]

So here's what's been happening,... went to see my lawyer...he has the desk side manner of a pompous dick, I walk in his office and he greets me with " now what the fuc did you do".. my usual respose... nothing, but I want you to look at this contract, and toss it on his desk....his response" WTF... don't come in here asking me to look at a contract that you already signed !!!!!" yeah... well what can I do now??? "nothing, this is the worst contract ever... it has no binding for either party, no date when to start, and no date when it has to be done by..and no payment schedule...you don't have to pay him..and he doesn't ever have to finish... if you lock him out, or have someone else finish, he sues you for the amount of the contract,... and he will win,.. you have to let him finish..if it's fuc'd up when hes done...pretty hard to prove, and you will spend more money fighting this guy then you will ever win,,so, get the foc out of here, let him finish, and remember , don't pay till he's done..

Unfortunately, That’s how the majority of most construction contracts are written.


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[wsuwrhr]

Maybe so, I know for a fact that Tim's contract had a performance based payment schedule, and I am pretty sure it had a completion date as well. I can look at it when I get home.

Brian

Unfortunately, That’s how the majority of most construction contracts are written.

 

[FlatNv]

Steve if he indeed is licensed the board absolutely will help, if you exhausted all professional face to face discussions call the board
we have the residential recovery fund set up for home owners. I believe the contractor is to notify you of this prior .. do not do residential work so not sure... document everything !

http://www.nvcontractorsboard.com/res_recovery.html

 

[Riverbound]

Maybe so, I know for a fact that Tim's contract had a performance based payment schedule, and I am pretty sure it had a completion date as well. I can look at it when I get home.

Brian

Tim runs a legitimate program and is why I will be using him. Those are all items that should be (and are required in CA) in a contract. Ours are the same way. The contracts should be written to protect the consumer and the contractor. Everyone should have a clear understanding of what exactly is being provided and done. How to pay for it and what recourse they have if either party fails to come through on their end.


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[Mandelon]

I don't know about Nevada, but in California the Contractors Board has rules that the contracts have to follow. If the contract doesn't meet the legal standard it won't fly with them. It has to have a start and finish date....or it is not valid.

 

[boatnam2]

its already screwed up, your and getting dick from chico, i would find someone to finish it best as possible and call it a day.

 

[GRADS]

Again don't know about Nevada but in CA you can only do up to like $600(or something like that) worth of work without a license. So if he doesn't have a license that contract isn't worth the paper its written on. Check on job abandonment laws.

Maybe dude should spend more time on the job site and less time in the gym.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

so now the guy is getting close to getting it done...they showed up this morning to do the plaster

 

[Dalton]

how many illegals in that pic?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

they got the plaster done, swelly still has rocks to finish... pool is about 1/2 full of water...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

how many illegals in that pic?

LOL... I was talking to one of them,. he's never been to mexico, and said he never wants to go either...

 

[Dalton]

looks good, clashes slightly with brick but I like it, reminds me of this

 

[Melloyellovector]

My advise, Hopefully not to late, DO NOT PAY a penny until 100% complete. His eh hum rockwork is not complete, he will be bugging now that Plaster done for payment. Because those guys do not work for him, they are subs. Actually Pay subs direct so they don’t lien your house. And your lawyer is absolutely not correct with Re course on this fucktard of a don’t even want to call him a contractor. He would not win. Is he even licensed to be able to contract in the first place, contract not legal, standard ispsc or aci codes not followed and the list goes on. Highly doubt he pulled permits for the work, because city as shady is Vegas is wouldn’t even approve that work. Lol

Also before you pay him, you need lien releases because clearly he can’t be trusted. If you pay him and he doesn’t pay his subs they can pursue you and likely even if no prelim sent they will win in court.
You need release from Plaster guys, Shotcrete or gunite company that shot the spa, and steel guys if he didn’t do himself. The other guys are likely day labor type guys if he didn’t pay them they wouldn’t likely return to work, but technically they could even do a lien on your house.

Edit: just realized your spa light not installed, if that’s new niche that tells me it’s not permitted. That has to have #8 grounding bond wire inside and potting kit covering lug connection ( and inspected ) and light installed. This is required because no ground in light is potentially life threatening. How is this idiot going to do with new Plaster that can not be walked on. And impossible to do potting kit under water - soooooo hopefully he already pulled it and bonded it and just had wrong light and just needs to set and still not an easy task w new Plaster.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

So here's where it's at,I've been in Contracting for years...Very first thing, any materials delivered to my home I have material release... the concrete was COD, and I paid and got the receipt...misc. materials where bought by him at home depot and such.... he and his son has done almost all the work,...I paid the shot crete guys when they got done, and had them sign for the payment... the plaster crew was a separate sub contractor, that I paid direct.. and got a signed paid in full from him...we are getting excited that it looks like it will be finished....as far as everyone thinks it looks like shit....we are really starting to like how it looks.."THE FUGLY DUCK POND"...LOL.... looks like it is what it is.. and I'm getting close to done dumping money in the place...So far Wife is very happy with the new landscape. kitchen great room remodel, and the pool/spa..My want was to level this house , dig out the pool and start over... Sue didn't want to do it because she raised her little acorn's to full grown nuts here..So basically I spent more to get less.... memories are priceless...I tell ya.... I don't have a full range of emotions, but, my eye's did water up a bit when I painted over the lines we drew on the door jamb that show the growth of the boy's..sometime I walk in the rooms that they grew up in, and just reminess of the days gone by..same with the pool... I was dead set against getting the pool having little toddlers running around... the first thing I did was rod iron fence the whole area,,..they say you don't take nothing with you when you go... not true, i'm gonna take a full life of happy time memories of my life with my family....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

as far as my lawyer, I have to agree with him.. try'n to sue a broke dick is senseless.. control your emotion's and get what you can... I have the upper had right now I believe... I'm only out of pocket $8'300, and the spa is raised, and new plaster and tile is done, as far as the rocks... we like them...so no problem here...and "MOODY" is here for me if and when they need re done..as far as inspection...I'm up his ass every day.. this guy has been doing this for 30 plus years,,.. yeah, he's a slob when it comes to job site cleanliness ... but like you can amagine... he's gonna clean the fuc out of my yard before he gets a nickel... I've live'd in vegas off and on since 1957 and don't owe one cent to anyone... and lived on this planet since 1953..I don't have a lot at the RDP standard's, but what I have is paid in full...I try to do what I can myself,.. that way I can say I hacked the fuc out of it myself..owning 3 homes that all need something at al times kind'a wears you down and I don't see how the ballers do it... to much stress for me and it get's worse with hired help..

 

[Moody]

Did Puffy ever water proff the spa? Run that spa for some time to check for leaks.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

My advise, Hopefully not to late, DO NOT PAY a penny until 100% complete. His eh hum rockwork is not complete, he will be bugging now that Plaster done for payment. Because those guys do not work for him, they are subs. Actually Pay subs direct so they don’t lien your house. And your lawyer is absolutely not correct with Re course on this fucktard of a don’t even want to call him a contractor. He would not win. Is he even licensed to be able to contract in the first place, contract not legal, standard ispsc or aci codes not followed and the list goes on. Highly doubt he pulled permits for the work, because city as shady is Vegas is wouldn’t even approve that work. Lol

Also before you pay him, you need lien releases because clearly he can’t be trusted. If you pay him and he doesn’t pay his subs they can pursue you and likely even if no prelim sent they will win in court.
You need release from Plaster guys, Shotcrete or gunite company that shot the spa, and steel guys if he didn’t do himself. The other guys are likely day labor type guys if he didn’t pay them they wouldn’t likely return to work, but technically they could even do a lien on your house.

Edit: just realized your spa light not installed, if that’s new niche that tells me it’s not permitted. That has to have #8 grounding bond wire inside and potting kit covering lug connection ( and inspected ) and light installed. This is required because no ground in light is potentially life threatening. How is this idiot going to do with new Plaster that can not be walked on. And impossible to do potting kit under water - soooooo hopefully he already pulled it and bonded it and just had wrong light and just needs to set and still not an easy task w new Plaster.

I think I know, (the most dangerous person is someone that thinks they know)what you are talking about... the spa light was never changed,as far as the fixture...but what had to happen was the grounding box had to be raised to above the spa water height.... again that's what I think... and that's what's happening..but...I'm gonna have this inspected...here's a pic of where both the pool light, and spa light is in the ground box.... the pick of the new conduit height is higher than the water in the spa..so, what I'm thinking is it will be double grounded as it will go through both boxes...but what I think after looking the situation over,he's gonna go from the new grounding box to the control box,... I wanna add a huge thanks to you for looking out for our safety,..here's the deal...I'm gonna have this inspected before he's paid,.. and before anyone goes in the water....I don't have much.. but I don't wanna hurt anyone,nor loose what I do have to a liability law suite..all of the RDP members that are not on ignore have been real helpful and appreciated... and a huge thanks to all off you,.. there are a lot of members here... over whelm'd with knowledge

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Did Puffy ever water proff the spa? Run that spa for some time to check for leaks.

yes sir on the water proof...I ran the spa and have a leak in the filter tank,the cool thing about the rock work not being done is I can look in there...... my pool guy is gonna put a new 5000 filter... what ever that means... he also stops by and inspects what being done... he real doesn't have to say anything, I just watch what he looking at and for the raised eye brow..

 

[hallett21]

X2 on checking for that #8 grounding conductor. Pools/spas and electrical shouldn’t be anything less than perfect.


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[Taboma]

X2 on checking for that #8 grounding conductor. Pools/spas and electrical shouldn’t be anything less than perfect.


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I'll admit it's been over 50 years since I've had a pool and almost as long since I've wired one. Are pool lights still 120V ?
If so why ?

 

[270]

as far as everyone thinks it looks like shit...

Who fuc**** cares what others think.

.we are really starting to like how it looks...

This is all that maters. ^^^^^^^

Looks great Steve, I like it!

I went thru this same thing at our old house. 10K for mini pebble, tile, baja step, dedicated vacuum line and deck refinish. Gave the guy 5K on a Saturday and his crew was on the job Monday morning. They had the old plaster chipped out in about two hours and then nothing for three weeks, long story short it took 5 weeks to get it done. I spent a lot of time pissed off in those 5 weeks but in the end it turned out nice.

Looks like I'm going thru the same thing again on a Garage I'm building at our new place, seems like you can't get nothing done in this booming economy. I'm honestly looking forward to the next downturn, going to be fun to watch a lot of these people go back to flipping burgers or whatever.
Fu** em all!

 

[hallett21]

I'll admit it's been over 50 years since I've had a pool and almost as long since I've wired one. Are pool lights still 120V ?
If so why ?

I don’t typically do pools but every pool panel I’ve opened has had a 120v light.

I agree you’d think they would drop to 12v.

MYV could clarify better than myself.

I think even with 12V the NEC would still require a #8 but I don’t have a code book in front of me.


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[Tank]

Meh, fuck it. It's done, looks fine. Live and learn. Looks like from the previous videos, you'll have no problem enjoying your freshened up pool. LOL.

 

[Melloyellovector]

Not judging the actual finish work Steve, if that’s what you wanted and got, all good.

As far as light bonding yes very important and make sure it’s correct. The rest can be fixed anytime, but deaths aren’t easy come backs, lol

As far as lights yes most all pools are still 120 line voltage. We also do low voltage mini lights on higher end pools. The problem with low voltage is water still has to be bonded so then you have to add in funky fittings in skimmer, waterline, or low in plumbing. And many guys don’t even know how or what to do. Arizona (havasu) uses a lot of low voltage lights with no water bonding and have been for years. One could say no lime voltage in the pool so what’s it matter, but you do still have pool equipment on line voltage attached to the water. So best to always be safe.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

well, looks like the pool drama is coming to a close..and were gonna get our yard and life back....he's just about done...I sat in the spa and had a bud water.(bud light).. it heated to 102 with just the solar....spa is 3 times larger... and that's what I wanted , seats 12 with walk out steps both sides...and it's done before the wedding party..Sue loves it, and I realy think I like the way it a came out... pretty much just like the rendering... so pretty happy right now... I wanna thank everyone for the things to look for and make sure were done...2FF

 

[chvynhra]

Turned out great!

 

[TCHB]

Steve time to start golfing.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Steve if I were in your shoes at this moment I'd fire his ass. No matter what it sounds like the deadline for the wedding gathering is blown, so nothing will change that. You guys will have to find a work around.
That sucks.
That pool is gonna be in your back yard for a long time, and I know me well enough to know that every time I walked out there and looked at his work I;d think about that fly by night mofo and my blood pressure would go up. So I would be looking for someone to demo his work and start over.
Just me...
Sorry for the crap you are dealing with, and very sorry your wife is dealing with this. I know mine would be glued to the ceiling...

looks like me are gonna make "Mothers day" and the wedding party.... I'm putting together a punch list right now...No coin till it's done...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Turned out great!

thanks, we have some pretty big gatherings in our back yard,, tripled the size of the spa, raised it 18'' and now have a water fall and rock feature pool...I know it doesn't compare to the no limit coin builds out there... but hey...I'm 65 and it's gonna get me through my life...

 

[Flyinbowtie]

If you and your wife are happy then that is all that matters. We are close enough in age and, well...lets say life experience...to have similar expectations about things. I have been down that road on the weeding planning thing and remember all too well the pressure Cindy put on herself and me, LOL...to get some stuff done. It was a nightmare for about 3 months. When you talked about that it really hit home.
The only good thing was that once it was done we were locked in and able to head out and enjoy the summer.
I hope you guys make some more good memories with the pool, and have a great summer.