any pool builders here???? I have questions...

[2FORCEFULL]

first off, I don't have a clue whats going on here with this pool....just something don't look right to me..the guy doing it has been doing pools forever, and does some big water feature projects....but,... looks like a freek'n mess to me,.. and I don't know if whats done is right ...or wrong... the spa got raised up 2' and 2' all the way around bigger...we never really liked the spa.... but when we bought the pool in 94 it was only 9k..blue haven lagoon...worked good enough to raise the boys and had quite a few "POOL" party's....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

so the first thing that happened...remove the plaster... freeked out to the max...


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[Singleton]

Based on your other thread, everything looked normal to me, until I saw the rock formations and how those were poured.

Did a pool redo at my parents place in Scottsdale before they moved. Stage 1 (tear down) and 2 (redo spa) looked likes your (excluding the rock formations). Those just don’t look right to me

 

[NicPaus]

Looks good. Have not seen a rock formation added before but imagine thats just the base of it.

 

[DirtyWhiteDog]

Spa looks good, removing all plaster is SOP. Is that going to be a rock feature in the corner ? Probably left rebar exposed to tie into when they build the rock. Don't know why they would do it in 2 shots/pours

 

[2FORCEFULL]

so the "PLAN" is... there are supposed to be man made rocks all around the spa, and a couple around the pool...for me, I don't have a clue... it would be like someone ordering a boat and telling the gel coater after he was taped up..."hey WTF, I want the stripes on the out side of the boat...not the inside...so I don't say much.... but it sure don't look right... the whole area is a freek'n mess, and no one shows up to work on it...here's where it's at..they showed up sat morning to do the shotcrete....the guys got there, the mud truck was there,... and no builder... the shot crete guy was hollering at me say'n "IT aint ready to shoot" he finally understood me that I wasn't the patron ...so he shows up... bunch of holloring in Spanish.... and they go to work...this is where it's at now...








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[Angler]

Rock features are created over several days, I'm sure they do it over time so the concrete does't crack. I also was not happy when I came home after the 1st day they started making the rocks for my pool.

 

[GRADS]

That is some of the roughest gunite/shotcrete work I have seen. The walls on the spa aren't even the same width. Sorry, just being honest.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

That is some of the roughest gunite/shotcrete work I have seen. The walls on the spa aren't even the same width. Sorry, just being honest.

it gets rocks going out another foot or so with steps so it will be about 2' or so, and behind the spa it will be a big deck...???

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Rock features are created over several days, I'm sure they do it over time so the concrete does't crack. I also was not happy when I came home after the 1st day they started making the rocks for my pool.

got any pics??? did it look like what they are doing on my pool?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

That is some of the roughest gunite/shotcrete work I have seen. The walls on the spa aren't even the same width. Sorry, just being honest.

LOL.. I said it looks like a big fuc'n mess...I not sure what is going on as I stated...

 

[NicPaus]

They changing the lights? Just had Tim redo my Moms pool and spa. New lights added I almost forgot about it. MYV Tim came through and installed them before they plastered.

 

[Melloyellovector]

Ok, so here’s my 2 cents
And yes this is what we do. But not exactly like that.
1) Stripping Plaster normal ish and good, looks like they use a lot of point tips, waste is new material but what ever I ain’t plastering it so I don’t care, lol
2) Rebar for rocks and wire mesh normal. How ever not removing brick coping under new rocks is odd and gives a potential area for failure, water intrusion from side of coping going underside of rock. Not that it won’t work, but typically any materials would be removed under new materials. Think of it as putting 24x24 tiles over an existing 6x6 tile floor. Such a small step just doesn’t make sense to not remove them. To late on that no point working backwards now.
Edit : looking at pics did they put rebar for rocks into pool - structure A and deck - structure B. If so those can and do move independently and that would be no bueno
3) The spa work looks very rough it will be hidden once fake rocks done yes, really he just made more physical work for himself. But I also like to make shit underground look nice too soooooo maybe that just my own OCD
4) how many jets are to be in spa when finished, did he do a complete re plumb. Looks like old jets are now leg jets, and one looks very close to light. If using old where is other spa suction should be total of 4 main drain pipes if 2 pump system
5) Not saying he is a good builder or not, but judging by pics you posted and asked for opinion.
My guess would be a guy with Pool pics he did as a laborer doing rocks for real Pool builders that told him how and what to do.
Now that doesn’t mean what he’s doing is shit, I can’t see all details. And this is also basing opinion on CA expectations. AZ and NV do things a bit different, as in the cheapest way possible to get a look with out knowing how long it will truly last. Tail light warranties
6) also with all that work getting done to Pool why would you leave old brick coping anyway, with that there it will always look like an old Pool you added fake rocks to.
You should have rock guy remove and do fake rock all the way around and carry it up and down the walls with no tile. Or do precast or pour in place. Note If you have brick all over property maybe ok.
Also Shotcrete truck was already there for spa with a minimum to even show up. My opinion would have been add a baja in front of spa then you could of had peeps in spa and peeps on baja on chairs all hanging out, or adults in spa kids on baja etc...
Just little things to make an ok remodel a holy shit is this a new Pool remodel.
And yes for some on a budget I get it, not everyone can do all they want. But for Steve yes, if he wants it he can figure out a way to make it work. Just sayin.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

They changing the lights? Just had Tim redo my Moms pool and spa. New lights added I almost forgot about it. MYV Tim came through and installed them before they plastered.

yes new lights in spa and pool

 

[Motor Boater]

I think you should be doing a huge Baja step below the jacuzzi. It’s the one thing I wish I had on my pool.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Spa looks good, removing all plaster is SOP. Is that going to be a rock feature in the corner ? Probably left rebar exposed to tie into when they build the rock. Don't know why they would do it in 2 shots/pours

the two lumps are gonna be rock formations, and the whole spa will look like a pile of rocks...the was some arguing going on about, you said shoot a spa and never said build steps and rocks,... the builder was gathering the droppings from the spa and hand packing them... they said they couldn't shoot them because the spray would go every where... quite a process and a learning experience ,experience is what you get when you don't get what you want...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I think you should be doing a huge Baja step below the jacuzzi. It’s the one thing I wish I had on my pool.

we added the big step in front of the spa, pool is really small for how many people we get in there at summer partys.. we always end up standing in that area so we decided not to take up too much of that space...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

 

[2FORCEFULL]

 

[2FORCEFULL]

1) Stripping Plaster normal ish and good, looks like they use a lot of point tips, waste is new material but what ever I ain’t plastering it so I don’t care, lol....

I really freaked when I saw the pool,..what a mess... but had a few people look at it and say it was fine, the frist contractor took the plaster out,.. I was contracted with them to do a new plaster job and raise the spa,... after they removed the plaster, they decided they didn't want to raise the spa..and stopped right there..they charged me $1000. and backed out of the contract....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

2) Rebar for rocks and wire mesh normal. How ever not removing brick coping under new rocks is odd and gives a potential area for failure, water intrusion from side of coping going underside of rock. Not that it won’t work, but typically any materials would be removed under new materials. Think of it as putting 24x24 tiles over an existing 6x6 tile floor. Such a small step just doesn’t make sense to not remove them. To late on that no point working backwards now.
Edit : looking at pics did they put rebar for rocks into pool - structure A and deck - structure B. If so those can and do move independently and that would be no Bueno....

the guy drilled and set the rebar for the rocks...but,... to me it looks hokey..but like I said.. no idea whats going on...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

3) The spa work looks very rough it will be hidden once fake rocks done yes, really he just made more physical work for himself. But I also like to make shit underground look nice too soooooo maybe that just my own OCD ..


I'm with ya there... doesn't look professional to me... but, no idea here and so gratefull for all the response...will he finish and get it right????can I get some one to finish and what would it cost?? at this point,,. I'm at the mercy of this guy and kinda wait and see point...the response's are gonna be helpful as to the questions I will be asking

 

[2FORCEFULL]

4) how many jets are to be in spa when finished, did he do a complete re plumb. Looks like old jets are now leg jets, and one looks very close to light. If using old where is other spa suction should be total of 4 main drain pipes if 2 pump system

there are 4 new jets, one pump..my guess is that he is gonna cut the old ones out... here's what I seen happen,.. when the guys showed up,.. sub contractor doing scab side work on sat. they were bitching in Spanish, no bueno was used multible times.. the one guy in broken English was telling me that the spa wasn't ready..and the place was a mess and he wasn't gonna do it,.. the contractor show'd up... settled every one down and they started tying the peg board and making forms,.. when they showed up the plumbing wasn't finished and no forms...he kept telling me all along that they just dry pack and build walls like building sand castles at the beach ..eyeballs raised here?????as in really????

 

[2FORCEFULL]

5) Not saying he is a good builder or not, but judging by pics you posted and asked for opinion.
My guess would be a guy with Pool pics he did as a laborer doing rocks for real Pool builders that told him how and what to do.
Now that doesn’t mean what he’s doing is shit, I can’t see all details. And this is also basing opinion on CA expectations. AZ and NV do things a bit different, as in the cheapest way possible to get a look with out knowing how long it will truly last. Tail light warranties...

damn... wanna come to vegas and look at this mess...bring that old boat with you...lol

 

[2FORCEFULL]

6) also with all that work getting done to Pool why would you leave old brick coping anyway, with that there it will always look like an old Pool you added fake rocks to.
You should have rock guy remove and do fake rock all the way around and carry it up and down the walls with no tile. Or do precast or pour in place. Note If you have brick all over property maybe ok.
Also Shotcrete truck was already there for spa with a minimum to even show up. My opinion would have been add a baja in front of spa then you could of had peeps in spa and peeps on baja on chairs all hanging out, or adults in spa kids on baja etc...
Just little things to make an ok remodel a holy shit is this a new Pool remodel.
And yes for some on a budget I get it, not everyone can do all they want. But for Steve yes, if he wants it he can figure out a way to make it work. Just sayin. $$$$


well, here's my opinion... I hate the f'n pool .. took away from my garage space...but... heres the whole story... we had blue haven do our pool.. about 6 months after the quarts on the spa seats and pool steps started flaking..rest of the pool was fine.. they kept say'n they were gonna fix it ,but never did, and I finally forgot about it and let it go..

so the pool remodel started out with just a re plaster... but for the cost.. we would end up with the same pool... for more we could have a bigger raised spa..

here's how that went...called 10 contractors....6 called back and made appointments...3 showed up and gave bids to replaster and raise the spa...they must have called each other as the bids where all with in 500 of each other..

I went with the highest bid.. desert pools...and as stated..signed a contract to raise the spa and.. they get started and decided to not raise the spa... so I paid them to leave...so that's how I ended up...plaster out.... the new contractor showed up and said he could finish...but also did a rendering of how it would look finished.....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

 

[2FORCEFULL]

so here's where i'm at right now, so far everything I've had done on this remodel that I didn't do my self, I've had to fix or do over....I've been called an asshole because of my choice of words, and always speaking my mind..but MY ly'n eyes see whats wrong..and I usually know the differance.I'm backed in the corner right now, what should I do, and how can I say anything at all with out running the guy off... I'm not happy with the way things are going and feel that I need to get some one in the know to look at this mess and say rather it's good or bad... and what needs to happen right now to insure the finish product will be ok..pretty sure that everything that is messed up can be cleaned up... but still believe that the job wasn't ready to do...and it caused it to be a mess..what will I do if he quits and leaves me hanging.... but even worse,... what if he continues and it has all come out and done over...should I take a chance on trying to find some one to straight'n out this mess..like I said...I tried to pick someone off what they told me so go figure... help needed in vegas..if anyone is in vegas and can come look at this...please do...

 

[Moody]

www.arizonafallslv.com
Ive tried to deal with you before Steve. But you seemed more concerned about price than quality. Tell me who you are using and I can tell you about his work. I have been doing this in town here for over 20 years. I know everybody.

I can tell you just by the pictures that the rock in the pool will fall apart in about 5 years due to the lack of concrete coverage on the inside of the rebar. The lath is tied too close to the rebar. If you go onto my web site you can see photos of the repair work that we do, do to lack of concrete coverage.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

www.arizonafallslv.com
Ive tried to deal with you before Steve. But you seemed more concerned about price than quality. Tell me who you are using and I can tell you about his work. I have been doing this in town here for over 20 years. I know everybody.

I can tell you just by the pictures that the rock in the pool will fall apart in about 5 years due to the lack of concrete coverage on the inside of the rebar. The lath is tied too close to the rebar. If you go onto my web site you can see photos of the repair work that we do, do to lack of concrete coverage.

can you refresh me on what dealings we had???

 

[2FORCEFULL]

www.arizonafallslv.com
Ive tried to deal with you before Steve. But you seemed more concerned about price than quality. Tell me who you are using and I can tell you about his work. I have been doing this in town here for over 20 years. I know everybody.

I can tell you just by the pictures that the rock in the pool will fall apart in about 5 years due to the lack of concrete coverage on the inside of the rebar. The lath is tied too close to the rebar. If you go onto my web site you can see photos of the repair work that we do, do to lack of concrete coverage.

is this your company??? www.arizonafallslv.com and was it about the palapas

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I went here.... www.arizonafallslv.com and looked around... something tells me I'm gonna be sorry I didn't call you first..I don't remember doing business with you, unless you did my vegas palapas????but I sorta remember your web site for some reason...
I gotta say I'm totally sorry if I offended you in any way, but also, I don't remember...

 

[Moody]

I went here.... www.arizonafallslv.com and looked around... something tells me I'm gonna be sorry I didn't call you first..I don't remember doing business with you, unless you did my vegas palapas????but I sorta remember your web site for some reason...
I gotta say I'm totally sorry if I offended you in any way, but also, I don't remember...

Give me a call. 702 296 5358. I'm too old to be offended. I'd be glad to help.

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[2FORCEFULL]

Give me a call. 702 296 5358. I'm too old to be offended. I'd be glad to help.

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good talking to you, the pool guy out back working...

 

[Melloyellovector]

If you don’t get it figured out local, or need someone to review work. I’m sure we could work something out to get me out there, Vegas ain’t that far away. Just let me know

 

[riverbrian]

If you don’t get it figured out local, or need someone to review work. I’m sure we could work something out to get me out there, Vegas ain’t that far away. Just let me know

You’re too busy in California

 

[Melloyellovector]

You’re too busy in California

Not even remotely trying to “work” in Vegas, lmao
Was offered to help with a build at the highest penthouse in Vegas at pretty much any number I wanted to fix someone else’s screw up. No thanks

Offer to Steve was for advice or help with co ordinating things if he needs. Just in case he pisses off another guy and is left holding his dick. But looks like hes getting help or advice local now anyway

I will say your Pool will be the one and only built by us in your city, dumbest city hall we have ever dealt with. The shit they require or want blows me away. No wonder half the city hasn’t moved past the 60s because the counter people have no idea wtf they’re talking about. Mixing codes for residential and commercial as they see fit, also mixing residential home codes with swimming pools. They confuse the shit out of every other person that goes to counter. I witnessed 3 people last week while I was waiting of just stupidity at the counter

Hopefully inspection process is better then counter employees knowledge

 

[riverbrian]

Just messing with ya

Been told the inspection process will go better, it’s on his way home...

 

[Mike Honcho]

I hope these will help you visualize it better, I agree with MYV and he answered before I could as for the way they did the rock its kinda cheesy with just going over what was there via the deck and brick hopefully at a minimum they anchored the rebar with epoxy into the deck to hold but a baja step would have been nice or some seating around the edge you would be surprised at how much they get used and looking at the videos with folks chilling along the sides that seems like the ticket. Also agree with removing the brick, I'm not a big fan of rock around the side especially with hard water and calcium but you could have done something new which would make it look leaps and bounds newer. either way it will look really nice when finished.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

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I hope these will help you visualize it better, I agree with MYV and he answered before I could as for the way they did the rock its kinda cheesy with just going over what was there via the deck and brick hopefully at a minimum they anchored the rebar with epoxy into the deck to hold but a baja step would have been nice or some seating around the edge you would be surprised at how much they get used and looking at the videos with folks chilling along the sides that seems like the ticket. Also agree with removing the brick, I'm not a big fan of rock around the side especially with hard water and calcium but you could have done something new which would make it look leaps and bounds newer. either way it will look really nice when finished.

as I stated...I have no clue,"Moody" was vey helpful ,and turns out he knows the pool guy...some of the process,..well, kinda scary to look at, and even worse if you don't know what you are looking at... but my pool guy is the greatest "salesman" in town....lol

 

[2FORCEFULL]

here what got done yesterday....










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[2FORCEFULL]

so what he did,or what he said he did, was,... dry packed the rocks,.. and put on water proofing...again.. idn't know or understand wats up here... guess we'll see when it's done...I put this job out to bid... and took the highest bidder, never tried to grind on the price,.. he said I'll do this much....and it cost this..non negotiable ,.. some of the bids were scarry low, and not knowing, or who to call, this is where I ended up... I'm on his schedule and hope he gets it done..

 

[2FORCEFULL]

all in all, we are happy with the spa size, and like that it's raised..I think it will work out nice for pool partys..my wife and I will just be happy when it's done...

 

[Mike Honcho]

I totally understand the can't wait till its over aspect of it, I was there too. Ours took over a year cause the rock guy was a separate guy from the pool builder and I think they were bickering about something, after a year and two months we were finally getting to add water and it was done. Hard for me to believe I had it built over 11 years ago and we still use and love it.

My thoughts about my spa I wish the jets were harder and also higher (they seem close to the seating) but all in all I am real happy as I am sure you will be too.

After they dry pack them they usually shoot them and then when they cure they come back and throw on the finish mud I think it was plastic cement mix and then they brought out the molds kinda a urethane that was poured onto real rocks that they pealed off and coated with a power release then tamped it into the rock for texture or lifelike finish and then they cut in some lines and what not. After this cures they painted it all with a white sealer then the color came in they used hudson sprayers with pigment and sprayed it on and then let it set a bit and then used water in another hudson to blend it and make it fade a bit then a clear sealer over it all after. Mine has faded over the years and I seal it every other year but may need to have it repainted next year.

Keep posting pics love to see your projects.

 

[Moody]

Can you buy your contractor a roll of plastic?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Not even remotely trying to “work” in Vegas, lmao
Was offered to help with a build at the highest penthouse in Vegas at pretty much any number I wanted to fix someone else’s screw up. No thanks

Offer to Steve was for advice or help with co ordinating things if he needs. Just in case he pisses off another guy and is left holding his dick. But looks like hes getting help or advice local now anyway

I will say your Pool will be the one and only built by us in your city, dumbest city hall we have ever dealt with. The shit they require or want blows me away. No wonder half the city hasn’t moved past the 60s because the counter people have no idea wtf they’re talking about. Mixing codes for residential and commercial as they see fit, also mixing residential home codes with swimming pools. They confuse the shit out of every other person that goes to counter. I witnessed 3 people last week while I was waiting of just stupidity at the counter

Hopefully inspection process is better then counter employees knowledge

OK, as of right now... I'm holding my dick...

 

[wsuwrhr]

If you are seriously concerned, I would consider MYVs offer to come check it out.

He is a pretty reasonable guy Might be worth it to pay him to come up for the day for a consultation. He knows his shit.

Better to hurt a little now than a lifetime of hurt for a shitty pool remodel, or worse, wind up in court deciding who pays for what.

 

[HallettBill]

If you are seriously concerned, I would consider MYVs offer to come check it out.

He is a pretty reasonable guy Might be worth it to pay him to come up for the day for a consultation. He knows his shit.

Better to hurt a little now than a lifetime of hurt for a shitty pool remodel, or worse, wind up in court deciding who pays for what.

No Brian, Tim will be busy in Upland for the next few months.
Don’t go sending him to Vegas.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Im not sending MYV anywhere He don't work for me, just throwing it out there for a member in need. We need 2FF around a long time, his projects are always cool to watch, we don't need him mired in some BS pool litigation.

MYV isn't going to be in Upland that long will he? I guess we never got invited to your pre-pool/backyard demo BBQ party. I didn't know you decided to moooove forward or not, I guess I need to get to Havasu soon so I can get the scoop.

Brian

No Brian, Tim will be busy in Upland for the next few months.
Don’t go sending him to Vegas.

 

[riverbrian]

Mine is started and coming along nicely. Need to get my new fence up stat!

 

[wsuwrhr]

Looks good. What is the square for at the near side?

View attachment 639806 Mine is started and coming along nicely. Need to get my new fence up stat!