Angels trade

[Extreme Steam Detail]

Expect to see the Angels get Derrick Lee from the Cubs as the new 1st baseman in a trade for Mike Napoli & Brandon Wood.

 

[Bobby V]

Expect to see the Angels get Derrick Lee from the Cubs as the new 1st baseman in a trade for Mike Napoli & Brandon Wood.

The trade today was Haren for Saunders and 3 minor leaugers.

 

[Ivan Dan]

Expect to see the Angels get Derrick Lee from the Cubs as the new 1st baseman in a trade for Mike Napoli & Brandon Wood.

I think this is BAD BAD trade. This is a Teixeira deal all over again. Lee is here for the rest of the season and then goes to free agency and is gone because the Angels won't pay him top dollar. In the mean time, we lose Napoli (don't give 2 flying focks about Wood because he sucks bad). Besides, Nap has a better batting avg., more RBI's, and more HR's. How does this trade make ANY sense to any Angel fans?

 

[Ivan Dan]

The trade today was Haren for Saunders and 3 minor leaugers.

The interview with Joe was sad. He was shocked and really bummed to be traded. He hasn't thrown too well this this season but he definitely was one of our better pitchers the last few years.

 

[RJMsalespro]

The interview with Joe was sad. He was shocked and really bummed to be traded. He hasn't thrown too well this this season but he definitely was one of our better pitchers the last few years.

Stupid trade for sure. Saunders hasn't been stellar as of late but he is solid. If we give up a guy like Saunders we should of gotten a power hitter.

 

[gigamurph]

"How does this trade make ANY sense to any Angel fans? -Ivan Dan

ID, you're gonna get one helluva headache if ya kep tryin' to make any sense outta anythhing Reagins has done, is doin', and most likely will do.

I don't believe the Angels are goin' to be able to survive the front office's ineptitude much longer. And if the coachin' staff doesn't get the guys to step it up, I think we're headin' towards fulfillin' their "mantra" of "Tradition" for this season. The team is fast takin' on the look of the Angels of the '60s and '70s.

GO HALOS!

 

[Cigalert]

There are 2 types of baseball fans. Fans of the team and fans of the players. You can't have it both ways.

Saunders was the weakest link with the most trade value out of all the starters. I think picking up Haren is awesome. He's just coming into his prime and has some years to give. But that's the only solid move Reagins has done since Hunter.

I want to toss Napoli for Dunn and no other move will suffice. It's the best deal yet. Dunn wants to stay NL to keep playing in the field. He doesn't want to be a DH. Fine by me. Play 1st this year and then right field next year when Matsui finally collapses of no-knees and Kendry comes back.

Can they just trade Shields? Not get anybody in return....just trade him?

 

[Extreme Steam Detail]

Still looking for Derrick Lee from the cubs. I think he can also play outfield so when Kendry comes back they can both play. Shields & Fuentes can both go. Our relievers have cost us way to many games this year.

 

[Scott E]

Saunders was the weakest link with the most trade value out of all the starters. I think picking up Haren is awesome. He's just coming into his prime and has some years to give. But that's the only solid move Reagins has done since Hunter.

Agreed.

Remember, Abreu is signed for another year in RF. Napoli, while he can hit better than Mathis is too much of a defensive liability behind the plate. They cannot, or will not, trade Wood, as they have invested far too much in him to see him go to someone else and finally figure it out. They'll give him this year and up until the trade deadline next year I think as Wood does not have any options left for the minor leagues without clearing waivers where he will most certainly be picked up due to the upside.

 

[gigamurph]

Agreed.

Remember, Abreu is signed for another year in RF. Napoli, while he can hit better than Mathis is too much of a defensive liability behind the plate. They cannot, or will not, trade Wood, as they have invested far too much in him to see him go to someone else and finally figure it out. They'll give him this year and up until the trade deadline next year I think as Wood does not have any options left for the minor leagues without clearing waivers where he will most certainly be picked up due to the upside.

Now that's funny right there! That is the first time since the second week of the season that the word "upside" (or anything remotely positive) and Wood has been used in the same sentence barrin' Rojas and Guby (their payday depends on keepin' the team in a "good light").

As far as the Saunders+ for Haren trade goes; I'll w/hold my opinion until he's pitched a few games in his Angels uni. Trades and FA acquisitions have a tendency to backfire in Anaheim too often. Remember Rick Burleson? Mo Vaughn? Fernando?(OK; that was expected) Gary Matthews? Carney Lansford? Gary Pettis? Devon White? Jim Edmonds? Figgy? Darren Oliver? Vlad? (c'mon; they let Vlad go, sign Matsui for the same if not a tad more than Vlad wanted for virtually the same hitters on paper except Vlad can hit anything, anywhere where apparently Matsui needs THE pitch, which he seems to have a difficult time recognizing) And last but not least some "loser" named Nolan Ryan? (who now, btw, is handin' us our butts off the field) And the list goes on....and on....and on....I'm just sayin'.

And before y'all start w/the "not a real Angels fan BS"; I've been a true-to-the-red Angels fan since the mid-'70s, come win or loss, and have always been and always will be a staunch, positive, never-say-die supporter. But Reagins has got to go. The front office has always had a near-impossible time recognizin' talent, showin' loyalty, and knowin' when to or not to "fold-'em"; and I think this jackwagon (thanx R. Lee Ermey) has to be led to his office in broad daylight. :grumble:

 

[Ivan Dan]

Agreed.

Remember, Abreu is signed for another year in RF. Napoli, while he can hit better than Mathis is too much of a defensive liability behind the plate. They cannot, or will not, trade Wood, as they have invested far too much in him to see him go to someone else and finally figure it out. They'll give him this year and up until the trade deadline next year I think as Wood does not have any options left for the minor leagues without clearing waivers where he will most certainly be picked up due to the upside.

I'd MUCH MUCH MUCH rather them keep Napoli (he leads the team in HR's with 18) then Wood who can't hit his way out of a wet paper bag.

I do give some credit to Reagins for doing SOMETHING! Stoneman was a douche and never made any moves which was worse in my opnion.

 

[pronstar]

As far as the Saunders+ for Haren trade goes; I'll w/hold my opinion until he's pitched a few games in his Angels uni. Trades and FA acquisitions have a tendency to backfire in Anaheim too often. Remember Rick Burleson? Mo Vaughn? Fernando?(OK; that was expected) Gary Matthews? Carney Lansford? Gary Pettis? Devon White? Jim Edmonds? Figgy? Darren Oliver? Vlad? (c'mon; they let Vlad go, sign Matsui for the same if not a tad more than Vlad wanted for virtually the same hitters on paper except Vlad can hit anything, anywhere where apparently Matsui needs THE pitch, which he seems to have a difficult time recognizing) And last but not least some "loser" named Nolan Ryan? (who now, btw, is handin' us our butts off the field) And the list goes on....and on....and on....I'm just sayin'.

I agree with the "wait and see" with Haran, but I think it's a smart move to trade Saunders for him. While he pitched a brilliant game vs. Texas, he's lost his mound presence for most of the season, no confidence out there at all. Same with Daisy Fuentes...he looks like a scared little girl out there.

Haran gives you a pitcher with presence. Confidence. More upside IMHO than Saunders. It's tough to pitch in AZ right now, who wants to play when you're 22 games out and the team owners have basically given up on this season? His NL wins over the last two seasons trails only Lincecum.

He's also signed thru 2012, with a club option for 2013...so it's not quite like the Texeria half-season rental.

I see your point on some FA's, but not all. Figgy was GREAT when he played in Anaheim. He SUCKS in Seattle right now. Vlad for Matsui is a wash. Having watched Vlad play last season, unable to get healthy brings the following statement to mind: "Better to get rid of a player one year too soon, than one year too late." Plus Matsui was the World Series MVP, so on paper it's a move you've gotta make.

Plus we got guys like Torii Hunter out of FA...so there's some good but a lot of bad.

The Halos are making moves. Positive ones IMHO. Our payroll is pretty steep so we don't have a ton of cash to keep everyone...plus if you don't get FA's then you're assuming every starter will compe up from your farm system. That's a tall order.

On the pitching front:
Next year, the Angels will pay their five starting pitchers nearly $50 million combined. They'd better hope that Haren is more of a success than Kazmir was...

Shields is a tough one. Named "Set-up Man of the Decade" he's certainly lost some control out there. Will be sad to see him go...but go he must, IMHO.

 

[gigamurph]

I agree with the "wait and see" with Haran, but I think it's a smart move to trade Saunders for him. While he pitched a brilliant game vs. Texas, he's lost his mound presence for most of the season, no confidence out there at all. Same with Daisy Fuentes...he looks like a scared little girl out there.

Haran gives you a pitcher with presence. Confidence. More upside IMHO than Saunders. It's tough to pitch in AZ right now, who wants to play when you're 22 games out and the team owners have basically given up on this season? His NL wins over the last two seasons trails only Lincecum.

He's also signed thru 2012, with a club option for 2013...so it's not quite like the Texeria half-season rental.

I see your point on some FA's, but not all. Figgy was GREAT when he played in Anaheim. He SUCKS in Seattle right now. Vlad for Matsui is a wash. Having watched Vlad play last season, unable to get healthy brings the following statement to mind: "Better to get rid of a player one year too soon, than one year too late." Plus Matsui was the World Series MVP, so on paper it's a move you've gotta make.

Plus we got guys like Torii Hunter out of FA...so there's some good but a lot of bad.

The Halos are making moves. Positive ones IMHO. Our payroll is pretty steep so we don't have a ton of cash to keep everyone...plus if you don't get FA's then you're assuming every starter will compe up from your farm system. That's a tall order.

On the pitching front:
Next year, the Angels will pay their five starting pitchers nearly $50 million combined. They'd better hope that Haren is more of a success than Kazmir was...

Shields is a tough one. Named "Set-up Man of the Decade" he's certainly lost some control out there. Will be sad to see him go...but go he must, IMHO.

Most of my post was "tongue-in-cheek". But; Figgy would be havin' a better season if he was here in Anaheim. Even as anemic as our offense is, he'd still have better protection around him and get better pitches. ASfter Suzuki and Figgy, the nmariners have "jack" and they can pitch around them to get to the "whiffs". And the Vlad/Matsui would be a wash if Matsui had spent the off-season doin' what Vlad did; gettin' in shape and workin' on his swing and eye. Matsui is absolutely abyssmal at the plate and has always been a "good ball" hitter while Vlad just hits anything because he has an inane, uncanny, never-seen-before ability to adjust w/in a millisecond at the plate. I think Vlad gettin' outta Anaheim was the best thing for him though. He had gotten a tad complacent and the Angels staff has never been one to "confront" their stars. I think he looks as good this season if not better than he did when we acquired him.

And in that light; I'm tired of hearin' haw other GMs can see the talent that's left in our "old boys" and knows exactly what to do w/it; but our front office snubs 'em and just lets 'em go w/o some kind of compensation or consideration. Oliver bein' another perfect example of this. All the Angels had to do was offer him arby and then at least the Strangers don't get him for nothin'. Our front office is and has been for decades, the laughin' stock of MLB. Listen to the people in the game and they have zero respect nor trust their judgement in the reading of talent. We hold onto our prospects until they "tarnish" their value and keep the vets w/over-inflated contracts.

Oh; and now Haren gets hit on his throwing forearm w/a line drive of the bat of Youklis and has to leave. I just rolled my eyes (w/the vision of Big Mo fallin' down the dugout steps in his first game as an Angel, blowin' out his ankle, and never recoverin' from it) when that happen. Fortunately, at first impressions, did not look bad.

Just another Halo season!

GO HALOS!

 

[Cigalert]

Haren looked real good in the 1st. Got a little beat up in the 2nd but settled in nicely imo, then he got taken out :skull

Hunter hurt himself hitting the wall and was kind of out of it the rest of the game. Resting on your knees is a tell. They all looked tired last night.

I still think Boston fans are the worst :skull

On TV, Hunter's smash against the wall didn't look bad but the wincing and "knee rest" time-out made me think he was hurt. After they showed the replay I think he got the wind knocked out of him. Don't worry, Wood is available to take his place.

And can someone please tell Napoli there's no ghost tag on first. Having to play another out makes the rest of the team cranky.

 

[Ivan Dan]

I'm still unclear how they can load the bases with 0 outs and end up leaving them all stranded?!?! Out of 3 guys none could get the damn ball outta the infield to score a run or two?

The boys still have A LOT of games to play this season but they better right the ship if they want to have a chance against Texas. IMO it starts with the bats plain and simple. Quit watchin first pitch strikes right down the pipe and getting themselves into a 0-2 hole everytime.

 

[pronstar]

The second inning last night was just painful to watch.
Bases loaded, no out, and we got nothin'

This is a team that was teh best in the league at manufacturing runs...at least up to last season.

 

[gigamurph]

I'm still unclear how they can load the bases with 0 outs and end up leaving them all stranded?!?! Out of 3 guys none could get the damn ball outta the infield to score a run or two?

The boys still have A LOT of games to play this season but they better right the ship if they want to have a chance against Texas. IMO it starts with the bats plain and simple. Quit watchin first pitch strikes right down the pipe and getting themselves into a 0-2 hole everytime.

Sadly; I believe that our Angels have become accomplished enough at it that they could put out a training video on the subject! Been doin' it fo years. :grumble:

 

[cig]

Our front office is and has been for decades, the laughin' stock of MLB. Listen to the people in the game and they have zero respect nor trust their judgement in the reading of talent. We hold onto our prospects until they "tarnish" their value and keep the vets w/over-inflated contracts.

Just another Halo season!

GO HALOS![/QUOTE]


2002 world series champs

2004,2005,2007,2008,2009 american league west champs

Are we talking about the same team????

 

[Extreme Steam Detail]

Bavasi either buzzy or Bill maybe were the worst GM's in Baseball. Stoneman had to be a close 2nd or at least equal.

Augie Moreno & Terry Reagins are fresh look profesionals. No longer are we getting has beens. Took guts to let Lackey and now Saunders go but who could argue that we don't have the best starting staff in baseball. The bullpen is another story. Shields was great for a long time and Daisey has got to go. Mike needs to keep his best in the business manager rep by getting Tori some help in the outfield. I hear that we are going after Carl Crawford as a free agent and hopefully Mike trout is not that far away. Add Derrick Lee and i''m sure a better 3rd baseman than the latest wannabe. Letting Troy Glaus go was a huge mistake.

 

[pronstar]

Stoneman was terrible because he wouldn't do shit.

But right now, we're limited by our payroll...Moreno is nothing if not a good businessman, he doesn't have Steinbrener's shipping-magnate fortunes to fund the team. And we can't deal away all of our young prospects.

Here's a breakdown of MLB payrolls.

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2010

 

[Extreme Steam Detail]

Steinbrenner was the poorest of all of the baseball owners. Built a team worth a billion but never sold. Moreno's was and is a billionaire before he ever bought the Angels. Look at the ways things are run. Have you noticed the Hot dog menu? Los Angeles Angels. Moreno has been the best thing to come to the Angels as far as ownership. Disney was the worst don't think they could afford a ballplayer not even a blip on the balance sheet. Autry is the sentimental favorite but he hired a poor staff and not until he was gone did they ever win anything.

They are not done we will get a a big bat to help out.

 

[Cigalert]

Steinbrenner was the poorest of all of the baseball owners. Built a team worth a billion but never sold. Moreno's was and is a billionaire before he ever bought the Angels. Look at the ways things are run. Have you noticed the Hot dog menu? Los Angeles Angels. Moreno has been the best thing to come to the Angels as far as ownership. Disney was the worst don't think they could afford a ballplayer not even a blip on the balance sheet. Autry is the sentimental favorite but he hired a poor staff and not until he was gone did they ever win anything.

They are not done we will get a a big bat to help out.

ADAM DUNN

and don't get me started on the ef'n hot dogs.

 

[pronstar]

Well see if the Yanks continue their freewheeling spending now that the old man has died...there's a lot of kids, grandkids, etc. that may want their share of a $ billion.

Since the team loses money (they make it up with the YES network) some pundits think they may want to shore-up the balance sheet. Even though the team "isn't for sale".

 

[Bobby V]

I dunno why, but I just want to kick Lackey in the nuts :skull

I'd rather kick Rivera, Hunter, Jepsen, Fuentes and the rest of these guys. Spending 3 hours watching these guys choke game after game is hard to watch these days. :grumble:

 

[pronstar]

I'd rather kick Rivera, Hunter, Jepsen, Fuentes and the rest of these guys. Spending 3 hours watching these guys choke game after game is hard to watch these days. :grumble:

Daisy Fuentes sucks so bad I want to throw shit at my TV every time I see him.

The choke-fest is killing me, too :thumbsdown
It's got to turn around at some point.

 

[gigamurph]

Our front office is and has been for decades, the laughin' stock of MLB. Listen to the people in the game and they have zero respect nor trust their judgement in the reading of talent. We hold onto our prospects until they "tarnish" their value and keep the vets w/over-inflated contracts.

Just another Halo season!

GO HALOS!

2002 world series champs

2004,2005,2007,2008,2009 american league west champs

Are we talking about the same team????[/QUOTE]Hey; I'm a Halos fan from the times when we were lucky to finish 4th in a four team division. I'm referring to the level of respect that the Angels front office garners through their actions/non-actions in respect to the other front offices. The talk in MLB when it comes to the Angels org. is of the "the sun shines on every dog's a$$ from time to time". And as for Stoneman being a bad GM; the whole org. made a 180* turn-a-round under Stoneman. At least the other org. and their GMs could look Stoney in the eye w/o snickerin' and they at least "semi-trusted" his abilities as a GM. Reagins is a friggin' "over-analyzing, afraid to pull the trigger, poor judgement of talent" excuse of a GM. The moves he's made have for most part been "no-brainers" and this season is his first real full season of influence. Alot of the stuff that's been goin' on the last few seasons were implemented/funded/began under Stoney.

All I'm saying is that today's Angels team and front office reeks of the '60s-'70s org. Ineptness at its "finest".

And about this last decade of success....well; let's just say that it has been most beneficial to be in the AL West. I love Angels baseball but I also love the game and know the difference between a well run org. and a org. that pulls one out of its a$$ once in awhile. And more often than not, w/deference to our 10 year run under Scioscia, we've been the latter and am fearful that we are truly embracing "Tradition" under this current front office.

 

[cig]

2002 world series champs

2004,2005,2007,2008,2009 american league west champs

Are we talking about the same team????

Hey; I'm a Halos fan from the times when we were lucky to finish 4th in a four team division. I'm referring to the level of respect that the Angels front office garners through their actions/non-actions in respect to the other front offices. The talk in MLB when it comes to the Angels org. is of the "the sun shines on every dog's a$$ from time to time". And as for Stoneman being a bad GM; the whole org. made a 180* turn-a-round under Stoneman. At least the other org. and their GMs could look Stoney in the eye w/o snickerin' and they at least "semi-trusted" his abilities as a GM. Reagins is a friggin' "over-analyzing, afraid to pull the trigger, poor judgement of talent" excuse of a GM. The moves he's made have for most part been "no-brainers" and this season is his first real full season of influence. Alot of the stuff that's been goin' on the last few seasons were implemented/funded/began under Stoney.

All I'm saying is that today's Angels team and front office reeks of the '60s-'70s org. Ineptness at its "finest".

And about this last decade of success....well; let's just say that it has been most beneficial to be in the AL West. I love Angels baseball but I also love the game and know the difference between a well run org. and a org. that pulls one out of its a$$ once in awhile. And more often than not, w/deference to our 10 year run under Scioscia, we've been the latter and am fearful that we are truly embracing "Tradition" under this current front office.[/QUOTE]

Good Point!

 

[Extreme Steam Detail]

Looks like Derrick Lee doesn't want to come to the Angels by invoking his no trade. 9 games are a lot to make up to make the post season. Adam Dunn is a possibility but its likely a wait till next year.

 

[Cigalert]

The MLB analyst on Mike and Mike this morning was saying that since the angels are more than likely not make the playoffs then why leave Chicago. Good point, the Cubs suck but I can't say the halos are playing any better. Lee could have helped but saying he "would" have helped....I don't see it as a lock but more of a deal at the time.

The only chance they're going to have to win the west is to catch fire and stay hot for all of august. Losing and splitting series is not an option. 2 out of 3 or sweep.

They have Tex coming up at home, Boston away in the middle of the month and Tampa back home. Yeah...good luck with that at this rate.

Dunn is still a very viable option and appears to be leaning on the White Sox but we'll see. The Halos have pulled some things out of their ass before....they just never had to dig so deep to get to it.

Since they tipped their hat to Lee the Dunn deal is going to be harder if they are even chasing him.

 

[Cigalert]

It don't look good for the Halos.

I may still go to a game or two before the end of the season, but to be honest, I'd rather stick needles in my eyes :skull

Funny cause I'd rather go to needles.

 

[pronstar]

The Lee deal, or lack thereof, is puzzling considering he's building a house in SoCal right now. I guess at his age, maybe he wants to win now...not that it will happen with the Cubs, but maybe he's holding out for more of a sure thing?

Funny how we can win the division so many times in recent memory, get to a World Series in this decade...and Lee would rather stay in Chi Town. To me, it sounds like there's more to it than wins and losses. But that's why he has a no trade clause...

 

[desertbird]

Dasiy lol what ever happened to her?

She's got more brains than anyone might have thought. Has her own exercise lineup, a fashion line at Kohls and probably a perfume and then some.

She got old, but she's still hot IMO

 

[gigamurph]

The Lee deal, or lack thereof, is puzzling considering he's building a house in SoCal right now. I guess at his age, maybe he wants to win now...not that it will happen with the Cubs, but maybe he's holding out for more of a sure thing?

Funny how we can win the division so many times in recent memory, get to a World Series in this decade...and Lee would rather stay in Chi Town. To me, it sounds like there's more to it than wins and losses. But that's why he has a no trade clause...

Angels orginization's reputation precedes them. It's tough shakin' the image of a org. that's disloyal to its players and unable to recognize talent and where, how, and when to use it. They were on their way to a level of respect under Stoneman (he was a trusted "baseball man" before he came to the Angels), and had acheived a semblence of that respect the last decade. But I'm afraid that this current GM and some others in the front office more represent a return to a "Tradition" that does not rend itself favorable to the other teams and players around the league.

I am a steadfast Angels fan and will always be an Angels fan. There are only two things that will ever make me cease being an Angels fan; they ban me from being one or when I die. But that doesn't mean that I have to like and/or agree w/the their means of doing things.

Oh; and Texas once again just outgunned our front office. They just signed Jorge Cantu, who would've been a great pick-up for the Angels as he plays virtually anywhere you put him but excells at 1st and 3rd, both spots in need of help in Anaheim right now. He would've been a good back-up for K-Mo next season as well as someone who could've only strengthened "THE corner" through competition w/Callspo or whomever is still here next season.

And speaking of 3rd; IMO, and it is JMO, but the Callaspo deal was unnecessary. We already had that type of player w/Frandsen (whom I like and looks as if he will be the newest guy out). And to weaken an already weak spot on the team (bullpen) by giving up O'Sullivan (who also spot-started for us) was questionable at best. But I degress....

 

[pronstar]

And speaking of 3rd; IMO, and it is JMO, but the Callaspo deal was unnecessary. We already had that type of player w/Frandsen (whom I like and looks as if he will be the newest guy out). And to weaken an already weak spot on the team (bullpen) by giving up O'Sullivan (who also spot-started for us) was questionable at best. But I degress....

Agree 100%. Callaspo will be gone at the end of the season. He's not the solution we need, and Frandsen's been hitting above our team's average.

In the past I've usually disagreed with you on your front office opinions, but am starting to see where you're coming from. You make some good points.

 

[gigamurph]

Agree 100%. Callaspo will be gone at the end of the season. He's not the solution we need, and Frandsen's been hitting above our team's average.

In the past I've usually disagreed with you on your front office opinions, but am starting to see where you're coming from. You make some good points.

Now I'm startin' to get skeered.

I've just been into Angels baseball so long and I've seen virtually every bonehead and great move made by my team of choice; and this GM steps on himself more often than not.

Angels are still THE greatest team in MLB! There is no substitute! :thumbsup

GO HALOS!