Americans buying guns to sell to Cartels so they can send US drugs. Crazy

[TCHB]

Mexican drug cartels pay Americans to smuggle weapons across the border, intelligence documents show

"We have allowed the cartels to amass an army," a former ATF senior special agent told CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

I always wondered how the Cartels got their weapons.

 

[4Waters]

More laws coming for the law abiding citizens.

 

[Gelcoater]

More laws coming for the law abiding citizens.

Agreed.
The story stinks.
It’s a CBS story, so it’s a left wing propaganda story.

The only part I believe is that the government has know for years and did little to stop it.
Anyone remember the Fast and Furious scandal?

“Including Belt fed mini guns and grenade launchers”...
Then goes on to say people are going to gun stores across America, as far north as Wisconsin! To buy guns to send to Mex...
Which gun stores? Are selling belt fed mini guns and grenade launchers? Asking for a friend.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Agreed.
The story stinks.
It’s a CBS story, so it’s a left wing propaganda story.

The only part I believe is that the government has know for years and did little to stop it.
Anyone remember the Fast and Furious scandal?

“Including Belt fed mini guns and grenade launchers”...
Then goes on to say people are going to gun stores across America, as far north as Wisconsin! To buy guns to send to Mex...
Which gun stores? Are selling belt fed mini guns and grenade launchers? Asking for a friend.

Exactly! All part of the left-wing agenda.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I seem to remember that buying a gun to give it to someone that can't own one or ship it to someone that shouldn't is a felony.

Yes, I'm almost sure of it. Like there was an act of Congress or something.

Fucking network "news".

So according to the story the ATF estimates that up to 1 million firearms are bought and sent to the cartels in MX. Based on 2022 gun sales that means 1 in every 16 sales is a straw purchase for the drug kings... Uh huh...

I'd love to see the math on that number.

 

[stokerwhore]

how many did Obama and Holder send over there? i forgot... and so did the "news".

 

[azsunfun]

I have been for years! When I started sending arms to mexico it was way back we called it fast and furious.

 

[Gelcoater]

how many did Obama and Holder send over there? i forgot... and so did the "news".

As many as they could.

 

[TCHB]

FactCheck: How Many Mexican Guns Come From U.S.?

President Obama says 90 percent of Mexico's recovered crime guns come from the U.S. That's not what the statistics show.

www.newsweek.com

 

[monkeyswrench]

I've read a couple articles this last year stating there are connections between cartels and terrorist groups in the middle east. If cartels are importing large amounts of stuff from them, I'd assume weapons could be as well.

It's also quite telling when entire local police departments in Mexico are shut down by their feds. I'd think a lot of weapons may be of US origin, but were handed over to fight drugs, instead sold or given to the cartels.

 

[TCHB]

All this craziness to keep the supply of drugs coming to the US for consumption.

 

[motormonkey]

Why is this suprising. The war on drugs is a big business for all involved.LOL

 

[Rajobigguy]

I think that you have to be a US citizen to work for the CIA or DEA so in that respect the article has some truth to it.
Anyone that believes that these Cartel leaders are operating without the express permission and support of certain US government agencies is delusional.
Do you really think that a superpower like the US could not burn down any of these organizations if it really wanted to? Weapons are supplied to the organization that is most easily controlled .

 

[500bbc]

Mexican drug cartels pay Americans to smuggle weapons across the border, intelligence documents show

"We have allowed the cartels to amass an army," a former ATF senior special agent told CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

I always wondered how the Cartels got their weapons.

The Libturds were singing that song when BoBo was occupying the White House. That's when the ATF sold guns to the cartels so they could "track" them. Brian Terry, border agent, was murdered with one of the weapons the ATF let walk across the border.

 

[500bbc]

I've read a couple articles this last year stating there are connections between cartels and terrorist groups in the middle east. If cartels are importing large amounts of stuff from them, I'd assume weapons could be as well.

It's also quite telling when entire local police departments in Mexico are shut down by their feds. I'd think a lot of weapons may be of US origin, but were handed over to fight drugs, instead sold or given to the cartels.

If you were worth billions, a part of one of the largest crime organizations on earth and had a massive global smuggling operation wouldn't you just buy guns on the black market? Say, maybe, through Libya or maybe even Afghanistan?

 

[Gelcoater]

If you were worth billions, a part of one of the largest crime organizations on earth and had a massive global smuggling operation wouldn't you just buy guns on the black market? Say, maybe, through Libya or maybe even Afghanistan?

Not if they can work with their neighbor/partner right next door.

 

[500bbc]

Not if they can work with their neighbor/partner right next door.

I'd imagine there would be much greater selection and firepower on the globe...

 

[TCHB]

They must sell more Pounds of drugs than Costco Avocados.

 

[EmpirE231]

You really think the cartels are getting their weapons from citizens buying them from gun stores?

 

[Blackmagic94]

Mexican drug cartels pay Americans to smuggle weapons across the border, intelligence documents show

"We have allowed the cartels to amass an army," a former ATF senior special agent told CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

I always wondered how the Cartels got their weapons.

Bullshit.

They get maybe 10-20% most of their weapons from USA


The rest is from Mexico military or South America countries.

Explain how machine guns, RPGs and grenades come from Walmart. This is all propaganda from left wing USA.




There was a report that Hillary put out back in the day claiming it was 90%


Well what they didn’t like to admit was

When the Mexican gov believed the weapon came from the USA, 90% of it was true. Like a ruger etc.


But it was only 10-20% of total recovered arms. So really a very small number.

 

[TCHB]

Bullshit.

They get maybe 10-20% most of their weapons from USA


The rest is from Mexico military or South America countries.

Explain how machine guns, RPGs and grenades come from Walmart. This is all propaganda from left wing USA.




There was a report that Hillary put out back in the day claiming it was 90%


Well what they didn’t like to admit was

When the Mexican gov believed the weapon came from the USA, 90% of it was true. Like a ruger etc.


But it was only 10-20% of total recovered arms. So really a very small number.

70%.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I think that you have to be a US citizen to work for the CIA or DEA so in that respect the article has some truth to it.
Anyone that believes that these Cartel leaders are operating without the express permission and support of certain US government agencies is delusional.
Do you really think that a superpower like the US could not burn down any of these organizations if it really wanted to? Weapons are supplied to the organization that is most easily controlled .

Back in the day, the "Zetas" were the first of the shock and awe, bloody victims or pieces on display. The "founders" were ex-Mexican military. They were supposedly trained by US soldiers, but may have been CIA. They learned what worked, and went to the dark side. Today, one of the more violent cartels is CJNG. Their leader was supposedly a former pilot, also previously a Mexican soldier.

We see in the news, stories of African war lords, child soldiers and people doing horrible things. It happens south of the border as well, but more money at stake.

 

[Blackmagic94]

70%.

Bullshit


Explain to me how


M2hbs
M203s
M16s
Ak47 select fires
40mm grenades
Pineapple grenades
RPG-7s
Hk mp5s
Hk g3s

Come from Walmart. Show me which one I can go buy those right now

 

[monkeyswrench]

Bullshit


Explain to me how


M2hbs
M203s
M16s
Ak47 select fires
40mm grenades
Pineapple grenades
RPG-7s
Hk mp5s
Hk g3s

Come from Walmart. Show me which one I can go buy those right now

I'd think most comes from China or Russia through various "importers". I've been a lot of places, not a lot of RPG's on the market stateside.

 

[RiverDave]

If ya want to know where the cartels get their guns the answer is our government. If ya want to know why the cartels are allowed to operate at all the answer is our government.

They work with them, and at this point they aren’t even trying to hide it anymore..

When I watched American made and movies like it I always walk out of the theatre in disbelief..

Our government floods our streets with drugs to finance covert operations elsewhere.. is pretty much what I take away from all those movies.

 

[boatnam2]

If ya want to know where the cartels get their guns the answer is our government. If ya want to know why the cartels are allowed to operate at all the answer is our government.

They work with them, and at this point they aren’t even trying to hide it anymore..

Yep, pretty much why Fentanyl goes unchecked also, big machine has to keep turning.

 

[RiverDave]

I think that you have to be a US citizen to work for the CIA or DEA so in that respect the article has some truth to it.
Anyone that believes that these Cartel leaders are operating without the express permission and support of certain US government agencies is delusional.
Do you really think that a superpower like the US could not burn down any of these organizations if it really wanted to? Weapons are supplied to the organization that is most easily controlled .

Truth..

 

[RiverDave]

incidentally for those that brought up fast and furious.. those guns were made by a weapons mfg based out of havasu. Then the government tried to pin it on him at first and he started talking and then that shit changed real quick.

The guys name is Ed Mac and the company was called plum crazy fire arms..

 

[Blackmagic94]

incidentally for those that brought up fast and furious.. those guns were made by a weapons mfg based out of havasu. Then the government tried to pin it on him at first and he started talking and then that shit changed real quick.

The guys name is Ed Mac and the company was called plum crazy fire arms..

There was another dealer out Cave Creek AZ. He was the one that sold the Draco ak47 to the CI of the ATF program that was used to kill Agent Terry in Naco AZ.

But here is the difference. The atf forced these guns to be sold to a CI who in turn was a double agent. No atf. No fast and furious. No guns going.

 

[azsunfun]

There were quite a few including a real concerned dealer in Phoenix in communications he was assured atf got you covered. Lol out government always accuses others of what itself is conducting. This chopper landed on the other side of mnt where Brian Terry was killed.

Mexican helicopter lands on U.S. side of border​

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• May 2, 2005
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Wick News Service__A large Mexican military helicopter carrying about half a dozen armed men landed on the U.S. side of the border April 22 and showed interest in a fuel truck there, reports an Arivaca man who confronted the leader._No one was injured in the short standoff, "but if I'd been carrying a gun I might be dead now," said R. D. Ayers._Ayers was there on business._The helicopter landed on a road near where Ayers was working at the Tres Bellotas Ranch. _He said he talked in Spanish to the leader of the detachment. The Mexican officer wore a sidearm, while the others who remained inside the helicopter carried rifles Ayers said._The leader, standing on the ground, indicated he wanted to inspect the fuel truck, parked less than 100 yards away, Ayers said._"This is the United States, not Mexico. Leave," Ayers said he told the leader._When the officer looked toward the fuel truck, Ayers said, "You can_t go there."_After a few tense minutes, the helicopter took off, flying south._The U.S. Border Patrol said Wednesday that it had been notified by a woman in the area that a helicopter had landed there._"But by the time our agents got there it was gone," a spokesperson for the Tucson sector said April 27. The spokesperson said she knew of no follow-up investigation._Ayers operates a backhoe service and was working there._He's also a volunteer medical technician with the Arivaca Fire Department._Tres Bellotas Ranch is about 10 miles by air south of Arivaca, but it's much longer by land over twisty, unpaved Tres Bellotas Road._Ayers speculated the men in the helicopter wanted to seize the truck and take it into Mexico for possible use later to drive back and forth across the border._Ayers said he received a message from the FBI to say nothing about the incident. An FBI spokesperson in Phoenix couldn't be reached for comment._The trucking company did not return a call seeking information.__Editor's note: Jim Lamb is a reporter for the Green Valley News and Sun._ ____

 

[TCHB]

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www.gunsamerica.com

 

[TCHB]

Data just keeps coming

2,000 Illegal Weapons Cross US-Mexico Border Per Day: Report

A new study suggests the number of guns trafficked from the United States to Mexico is higher than previously believed, underscoring the uncertainty that surrounds the cross-border weapons trade, as well as its impact on violence in Mexico.

insightcrime.org

 

[Blackmagic94]

GunsAmerica Buy Guns Online and Sell Guns Online - Gun Auctions

GunsAmerica.com is a leading online marketplace for buying and selling firearms, accessories, and collectibles. With a large selection of guns available, including handguns, shotguns, pistols, rifles and hunting gear, in addition to gun reviews and news, GunsAmerica.com is the perfect...

www.gunsamerica.com

I’m sorry but you are clueless.

First off there isn’t a single m16 for sale on that


Second

Select fire aka machine guns are legal in USA. You have to buy one that is already in the NFA registry from 1934 to 1986

It requires a 200 dollar tax stamp from the atf after they do a 12-18 month back ground check on the new purchaser. Not a single NFA item has been sold to a cartel or Mexico. You would be an idiot as it would lead right back to you instantly and go to federal prison. People who buy NFA items are nothing but legal lawful citizens

Stop talking out your ass

 

[Blackmagic94]

Data just keeps coming

2,000 Illegal Weapons Cross US-Mexico Border Per Day: Report

A new study suggests the number of guns trafficked from the United States to Mexico is higher than previously believed, underscoring the uncertainty that surrounds the cross-border weapons trade, as well as its impact on violence in Mexico.

insightcrime.org

Bullshit report by a foreign agency with an agenda.

“Estimated numbers by sources” means bullshit


Do guns go to Mexico. Yes. All of what they have no. Small percentages. Do full auto NFA items go. No

 

[TCHB]

Bullshit report by a foreign agency with an agenda.

“Estimated numbers by sources” means bullshit


Do guns go to Mexico. Yes. All of what they have no. Small percentages. Do full auto NFA items go. No

Guns Recovered by Mexico's Military Come Mostly From U.S. Makers

In the wake of a judge's decision to throw out the Mexican government's lawsuit against the gun industry, data shows American companies produce the weapons driving cartel violence.

www.thetrace.org

 

[Blackmagic94]

Also legal NFA machines guns are $20,000 plus typically. Not 450 dollars like a semi auto ar15.

 

[TCHB]

How American guns help Mexican cartels overwhelm Mexico's police and military

"It is getting to a point where we are not equipped enough to fight back," a Mexican state police officer told Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

I know all the data is BS.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Guns Recovered by Mexico's Military Come Mostly From U.S. Makers

In the wake of a judge's decision to throw out the Mexican government's lawsuit against the gun industry, data shows American companies produce the weapons driving cartel violence.

www.thetrace.org

Hahahahahha I just proved you wrong with your own link


30% are from USA.

Norinco is a Chinese government arms factory and not sold in the USA since 1989. That means they are getting weapons from the pla Chinese currently. Oh yeah. Totally USAs fault.

 

[TCHB]

Where do Mexican drug cartels get their guns? Often, the United States

A Washington man tried to sneak an arsenal across the border into a Mexican cartel war zone. His arrest is part of a crackdown by Homeland Security.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Blackmagic94]

Where do Mexican drug cartels get their guns? Often, the United States

A Washington man tried to sneak an arsenal across the border into a Mexican cartel war zone. His arrest is part of a crackdown by Homeland Security.

news.yahoo.com

Do you read anything.


You posted a link to m16s for sale but there was none. None literally none lol

You post another article and it says 30% and even lists a 3750 Chinese ak47s a day being imported from not the USA.



Your new link says they arrested 150 plus people in 24 months and seized 1200 weapons. Oh my god. We better shelter in place. Lol.


Facts.

 

[TCHB]

Glad we hang out with the golf crowd in Mexico.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Glad we hang out with the golf crowd in Mexico.

Still ignore the facts I see. Must be awesome being so blind

 

[monkeyswrench]

"The CESOP report also does not explain where it sourced its estimate that 2,000 weapons illegally cross the US-Mexico border every day."
"...this figure may be a relic from the era of former President Felipe Calderon, who was a vocal critic of the perceived inaction of the US on stemming the flow of guns illegally entering Mexico"

These are quotes from the article stating 2000 guns a day entered Mexico from the US. The article was also sighting a report done during the Obama administration.

 

[Blackmagic94]

"The CESOP report also does not explain where it sourced its estimate that 2,000 weapons illegally cross the US-Mexico border every day."
"...this figure may be a relic from the era of former President Felipe Calderon, who was a vocal critic of the perceived inaction of the US on stemming the flow of guns illegally entering Mexico"

These are quotes from the article stating 2000 guns a day entered Mexico from the US. The article was also sighting a report done during the Obama administration.

Exactly.



But that member doesn’t read anything but a head line so it doesn’t matter. Can’t let facts get in the way of the actual substance and slants of web articles.

 

[TCHB]

Still ignore the facts I see. Must be awesome being so bl

'Weapon of war': the U.S. rifle loved by drug cartels and feared by Mexican police

The flow of high-caliber arms smuggled across the porous U.S. border has alarmed Mexican officials and few weapons are as powerful as the U.S.-made M82 semi-automatic rifle increasingly favored by the powerful drug cartels.

www.reuters.com

 

[TCHB]

Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Disrupt Gun Smuggling into Mexico Would Benefit from Additional Data and Analysis

Para la versión de esta página en español, ver a GAO-21-336 . Gun smuggling over the U.S.-Mexican border helps the illegal drug trade and has links to...

www.gao.gov

 

[monkeyswrench]

ATF Investigator Smuggled Weapons into Mexico

"Socalj" for Borderland Beat A former investigator with the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) is accused of traffic...

www.borderlandbeat.com

An interesting article here...ATF looking the other way about one of their contacts moving weapons...

Hamas And The 'Chapitos': These Are The Sinaloa Cartel's Links To Palestinian Terrorists

"Sol Prendido" for Borderland Beat Hamas, the extremist organization behind the attacks on Israel, is allegedly linked to Mexican cartels. T...

www.borderlandbeat.com

...and this is how Hamas may be teaching cartels how to dig better tunnels.

 

[Cdog]

Just more bullshit propaganda floated out there by the interests that want to strip us of our rights for their “cause“.

According to the founding fathers of this nation, our second amendment was endowed by our creator. Not given to us by our government.

Anyone trying to legislate us out of any of our rights should be raped with a pineapple and that includes any politician here in the US and Mexico. Mexico needs to Unfuck itself.. it’s not our problem

 

[Cdog]

Mexican drug cartels pay Americans to smuggle weapons across the border, intelligence documents show

"We have allowed the cartels to amass an army," a former ATF senior special agent told CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

I always wondered how the Cartels got their weapons.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Does anyone know Tchb personally. I’m getting a super left wing anti freedom vibe from him. He isn’t even responding to his own links and facts. Seems off his rocker