Alcohol Bad

[Sharp Shooter]

I'd say about 80% of my heavy drinking friends (that haven't died) have multiple health issues. They only slow down or stop boozing from Dr's orders. Do what you want but don't expect sympathy or play the victim when your health goes south. It's Russian roulette. That being said, I wish you guys the best.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I've known people with cirrhosis that drink 10-20 a night, and also those who have drank a handful of times ever. Known chain smokers in their 90's doing fine, and kids in their teens that died of cancer having never made those decisions. Life is a crapshoot. Science claims it knows the answers, yet constantly changes.

Live life, we're all going to die...no one's made it out alive yet.

 

[propcheck]

Fair enough, but I'd argue that we have more and better data than before and also have the ability to run better tests.

What if because of that additional data and enhanced testing there was a correlation drawn between alcohol and cancer? Would people stop drinking? Probably not. It's been pretty proven smoking has a link to cancer, but people still smoke. I bet before that link was identified, there were plenty of people calling bullshit on the studies.

I guess my point is why crap on the studies before they are done? As long as those studies are verifiable and unbiased in their results, there might just be some information revealed that could cause you or someone you care about to make a change. Regulating, taxing, or forcing people to make that change is a whole other story, which I definitely don't agree with.

Wouldn't it be nice to have some pretty conclusive information that shows certain choices (that should remain choices) are detrimental to your health?

I agree with that knowledge is important in health care decision making and new information is still available to this day.

But in todays climate i can only Hypothesize the study will have a bias, the funding will only come forth with a predetermined outcome, and the end result will be some government agency wanting a warning label, increased taxes, and your health/Life insurance will increase if you use alcohol. I am just guessing though.

I do appreciate this discussion and your positions they are valid and reasonable. I think I am just jaded by some personal history with studies, funding, and preferred outcomes. I would be much less skeptical if it was a meta analysis of existing data simply because i feel the issues the article eludes have already been addressed.

Final: I already believe that excessive alcohol consumption can elevate an individuals risk for certain cancers based on the documented cellular damage it creates in the GI tract. So I am not against your position I like a Devil’s advocate discussion

 

[mjc]

life causes cancer.

 

[Go-Fly]

Wow, luckily I only hang out here...where we feel if more people quit, there's more for the rest of us.

Nobody likes a quitter.

 

[Wizard29]

I agree with that knowledge is important in health care decision making and new information is still available to this day.

But in todays climate i can only Hypothesize the study will have a bias, the funding will only come forth with a predetermined outcome, and the end result will be some government agency wanting a warning label, increased taxes, and your health/Life insurance will increase if you use alcohol. I am just guessing though.

I do appreciate this discussion and your positions they are valid and reasonable. I think I am just jaded by some personal history with studies, funding, and preferred outcomes. I would be much less skeptical if it was a meta analysis of existing data simply because i feel the issues the article eludes have already been addressed.

Final: I already believe that excessive alcohol consumption can elevate an individuals risk for certain cancers based on the documented cellular damage it creates in the GI tract. So I am not against your position I like a Devil’s advocate discussion

100% on what you said about the studies potentially being biased. No question that happens to further agendas/taxes/regulations. That's why the data has to be independently verifiable, but of course it's not always that easy.

But if we take a look at smoking for example. Sooner or later the data becomes overwhelming no matter what agendas are in place and if one study was more biased than another. At this point, I don't think many people would disagree with the conclusion that smoking is bad for one's health. Smoking being bad seems pretty obvious and maybe they will have a tougher time proving alcohol one way or another since it's not so obvious.

Maybe there is something that changes between now and the future that makes things clearer. In the 50s, nobody saw anything wrong with smoking. Now we know better. Maybe as far as alcohol is concerned we're in the "50s" now and one or many of these studies will discover something that causes us to know better about that as well?

Who knows. I don't happen to think alcohol can actually be good for the human body, but neither is sugar, really, and I have a huge sweet tooth and keep eating it, so there's that. Maybe after they're done making alcohol as bad as smoking in 50 years, they'll come for my sugar.

 

[regor]

It’s not the alcohol. Alcohol consumption is actually down amongst our youth.

Just felt that needed clarification with direction this thread has taken.

We all know excessive alcohol is not a good thing, but the beauty of living in this country is that is your choice. The cost of caring for your ass is a different discussion.

 

[Mack]

Rigor you get it everybody else goes off the path chasing the wrong rabbit and that is exactly how the ones feeding the media the story want you to react. Until people actually look up with their own eyes the studies and read them they will not understand how this is going to affect 80% of Americans

 

[regor]

Rigor you get it everybody else goes off the path chasing the wrong rabbit and that is exactly how the ones feeding the media the story want you to react. Until people actually look up with their own eyes the studies and read them they will not understand how this is going to affect 80% of Americans

Unless they started putting mRNA into alcohol after we grew up, NOTHING has changed.

 

[Mack]

In the near future breathing fresh air out side will be blamed on the skyrocketing cancer rates. People have to read the journals about sv40 that are archived at the national health institute. Simple reading just take the time to search their website and start reading. Nothing new here but very eye openin. Like I said you search for it you read it then ask your self if you believe any thing from the media or your doctor

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Since we are drawing parallels between drinking and smoking, it is interesting to note that there a proven benefits to nicotine. It is both a metabolism booster and appetite suppressor. It gives a user a boost in energy also.

I have a theory that one of the reasons why there are so few fat people in old photographs is, in part, because everyone smoked. It would be interesting to plot the prevalence of obesity against the social acceptance of smoking. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that society has simply replaced one unhealthy vice with another.

 

[rrrr]

“If I never smoked nor drank I may have lived to 100, but it would have seemed like 200.”
- Churchill

He made it to 90, and they were indeed good years.

 

[rrrr]

The government's lies revealed:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/no-moderate-drinking-wont-give-you-cancer-surgeon-general-politicization-d0cdcbe6?st=ioLMSo&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

 

[PlanB]

Since we are drawing parallels between drinking and smoking, it is interesting to note that there a proven benefits to nicotine. It is both a metabolism booster and appetite suppressor. It gives a user a boost in energy also.

I have a theory that one of the reasons why there are so few fat people in old photographs is, in part, because everyone smoked. It would be interesting to plot the prevalence of obesity against the social acceptance of smoking. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that society has simply replaced one unhealthy vice with another.

I am on a nicotine forum that focusing on using patches for health issues. There are many benefits to nicotine as long as you are not getting it from tobacco.

 

[gqchris]

Since we are drawing parallels between drinking and smoking, it is interesting to note that there a proven benefits to nicotine. It is both a metabolism booster and appetite suppressor. It gives a user a boost in energy also.

I have a theory that one of the reasons why there are so few fat people in old photographs is, in part, because everyone smoked. It would be interesting to plot the prevalence of obesity against the social acceptance of smoking. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that society has simply replaced one unhealthy vice with another.

I will admit that I gained a bunch of weight once I quit smoking. I was not sure if it was because food started having a taste again or not, but its definitely a thing!