Abandoned cars blocking fire engine access.

[Mandelon]

So you're trying to escape the inferno, now you are stuck in gridlock on the road. The PD yells at you to get out and run. So you follow those directions. Later, a FD bulldozer comes and pushes all the cars out of the way totaling dozens of them. Nice cars mostly.

Is your insurance company gonna cover that? Won't they say you abandoned your vehicle in the road so it is not covered? I realize the FD has to do FD shit but damn, that's gonna suck. I guess if you escape with your life you should be grateful.

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[bonesfab]

Maybe, Just maybe don't live in a place that has one way in and one way out.

 

[Javajoe]

Cars seem fine. They should have just hung out and waited it thru

 

[Sharky]

I would imagine if you had full coverage, it should cover the vehicle. It was no fault of your own.

Didn't have full coverage. . . this is CA. Doesn't everybody sue everybody out there. Including the state and local counties?

 

[4Waters]

When you build a community and the roadways in and out to handle the amount of people in the community in 1940 but continue to build in the community with no way of increasing the roadways in and out this is what happens. This is on California, we can't keep building without the ability to evacuate the people in a timely and efficient manner, sunset cannot be widened, that's as big as it can get. It's just gonna get worse as newsom and the democrats want lots of high density housing built.

 

[Mandelon]

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[Blue Oval]

I was on the Fire Department for several years. Had some grass fires, never had to deal with a forest fire. Come home from Detroit several years ago, the expressway was shut down by Grayling. We were routed to the south west side of the expressway. A car was trying to turn right(which happened to be closed to traffic). We had the forest fire (Pine Trees) right at the edge of the road fully engulfed. Unable to move ,the line of cars all were blowing their horns. All the years of being on the fire department, there wasn't much I could do. All I remember was how hot it was getting stuck in that line. Would not want to be stuck in that situation again. Pretty powerless feeling.

 

[TPC]

Reminds me of a community meeting in my wifes family hometown in Switzerland.

It was brought up to consider community evacuation plans if the Russians invade. Signage guiding drivers to & thru evacuation routes.

The old timers interjected “No one is going to go anywhere.”

 

[Sharky]

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Watching that video, gotta give major credit to the dozer driver.

Looks like he is trying to do minimum damage by pushing on wheels & bumpers.

He could have gone full "plow the road open" but he is being very selective in how he is moving the vehicles.


Give that man a cold beer!!

 

[FCT]

Happens often. Cars, Rv,s, trailers etc. It’s just stuff that can be replaced.

 

[wzuber]

No win situation right there. Sux for sure...

 

[Aces & Eights]

Covered no doubt. Even if if no comprehensive coverage. Those people were ordered to abandon their vehicles right there in the roadway by emergency personnel. Then other emergency personnel used the dozer to clear the vehicles out. The county, state and city are on the hook now. They wouldn’t risk taking it to court, a jury would annihilate them. Remember once given that lawful order to vacate, the driver’s had no choice but to comply.

If it were me, I’d leave my keys in the car and snap a pic on my way out. They had the option to drive it out if they needed to clear that roadway.

 

[Tooms22]

I think that I'm most confused at how it occurred in the first place.

Did someone 300 cars up break down? Was another road in front of them shutdown?

Currently, without other info, I chalk it up to the average LA person having terrible survival skills and panicking instead of finding solutions.

Being stuck in large group of our population during a disaster seems absolutely terrible.

 

[jailbird141]

Interesting, I had not heard that the PD told them to leave the cars and run. Hmmmm

 

[lbhsbz]

I think that I'm most confused at how it occurred in the first place.

Did someone 300 cars up break down? Was another road in front of them shutdown?

Currently, without other info, I chalk it up to the average LA person having terrible survival skills and panicking instead of finding solutions.

Being stuck in large group of our population during a disaster seems absolutely terrible.

All it takes is one to clog everything up

 

[Angler]

Only moved once by bulldozer...

 

[oldman]

I think that I'm most confused at how it occurred in the first place.

Did someone 300 cars up break down? Was another road in front of them shutdown?

Currently, without other info, I chalk it up to the average LA person having terrible survival skills and panicking instead of finding solutions.

Being stuck in large group of our population during a disaster seems absolutely terrible.

Same question, we have all left an event with thousands of cars migrating to a single exit, eventually we all made it out. None of those cars look like they had fire damage. It looks like a problem created by officials.

 

[4Waters]

Covered no doubt. Even if if no comprehensive coverage. Those people were ordered to abandon their vehicles right there in the roadway by emergency personnel. Then other emergency personnel used the dozer to clear the vehicles out. The county, state and city are on the hook now. They wouldn’t risk taking it to court, a jury would annihilate them. Remember once given that lawful order to vacate, the driver’s had no choice but to comply.

If it were me, I’d leave my keys in the car and snap a pic on my way out. They had the option to drive it out if they needed to clear that roadway.

So you would leave your keys and registration in the car and leave?

"We appreciate your kindness" looters

Since most people have their house keys and car keys on the same ring

 

[CLdrinker]

Honest question in emergency cases when you need to evacuate immediately, how do people feel about EV’s?

Seems like a massive liability to my family in a SHTF situation.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

So you would leave your keys and registration in the car and leave?

"We appreciate your kindness" looters

Since most people have their house keys and car keys on the same ring

Not to mention your address listed on the registration

 

[oldman]

So you would leave your keys and registration in the car and leave?

"We appreciate your kindness" looters

Since most people have their house keys and car keys on the same ring

Another option is someone panicked and got out to walk (Fearing death), blocking the road. Once one person got out it started a chain reaction up the road and a person 10 cars back has no other choice but to bail out.

I have not heard how or why the traffic jam started, but it might have been said somewhere.

 

[coolchange]

Since it was brought up. Work associate lives in the Glendale Eaglerock area. Business alarms going off. You’ve got to know what that’s from. Opportunists.

 

[coolchange]

Having been in the Sylmar earthquake and the Northridge earthquake I know what massive evacuation looks like. Even without a fire. I used to have motorcycles and had exit routes planned. The bikes I have now don’t run. Vintage. I may have to rethink that.

 

[oldman]

Honest question in emergency cases when you need to evacuate immediately, how do people feel about EV’s?

Seems like a massive liability to my family in a SHTF situation.

Having seen more than one EV go off due to car crashes, I am not happy my new neighbor owns two new ford lightning EV's. They remind me of when we used to throw Magnesium chips into the bonfire back in the day.

 

[4Waters]

Since it was brought up. Work associate lives in the Glendale Eaglerock area. Business alarms going off. You’ve got to know what that’s from. Opportunists.

Smoke

 

[4Waters]

Not to mention your address listed on the registration

That's why I said that

 

[4Waters]

Honest question in emergency cases when you need to evacuate immediately, how do people feel about EV’s?

Seems like a massive liability to my family in a SHTF situation.

It's unknown but this whole issue could very well have been an EV or 2 running out of power

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

That's why I said that

I spent the first 17 years of my career working the ghetto, it never ceases to amaze me the evil things the low life's will do for a cheap buck.


I'm convinced those rats are born soulless creatures

 

[Echo Lodge]

Having been in the Sylmar earthquake and the Northridge earthquake I know what massive evacuation looks like. Even without a fire. I used to have motorcycles and had exit routes planned. The bikes I have now don’t run. Vintage. I may have to rethink that.

Read an article about CalTech Earthquake folks riding motorcycles to work knowing they will be able to get home when the big one hits.

 

[Aces & Eights]

So you would leave your keys and registration in the car and leave?

"We appreciate your kindness" looters

Since most people have their house keys and car keys on the same ring

Yep. I don’t have any other keys attached to my key fob. My insurance and registration goes to my PO Box.

Edit: I would remove my 9mm from my truck vault before I bailed on the truck.

 

[4Waters]

Yep. I don’t have any other keys attached to my key fob. My insurance and registration goes to my PO Box.

Edit: I would remove my 9mm from my truck vault before I bailed on the truck.

Ok, but you see where I was going right.

 

[Aces & Eights]

Oh yeah.

But no matter what….l AIN’T BURNING TO DEATH! That has to be the worse way to go.

 

[Melloyellovector]

I think that I'm most confused at how it occurred in the first place.

Did someone 300 cars up break down? Was another road in front of them shutdown?

Currently, without other info, I chalk it up to the average LA person having terrible survival skills and panicking instead of finding solutions.

Being stuck in large group of our population during a disaster seems absolutely terrible.

It was chaos. West on Sunset to pch in that area is literally the only way out. East on sunset was a parking lot from temescal east.
PCH was closed off at sunset. So all north bound traffic was being turned around right where sunset was trying to exit onto pch.
between regular traffic that already sucks, add in emergency evacuations of virtually an hour glass area everyone up top funneling into pinch point exits. Add in all the other areas ordered to evacuate that weren’t needed yet, so every single finger side street solid cars sunset to pch. Moving a foot or so a minute. Cant go thru the hills to 101 closed from fire or for emergency access, sunset the other way goes to 405 normally 15 mins, yesterday was 4 hours plus
pch goes to 10 also moving at snails pace. Plus 10 closed just before Malibu where freeay ends, so alot of the that traffic was pushed into side streets where everyone trying to leave or turning around joining the traffic trying to leave.

emergency services did a pretty good job coordinating exits and traffic considering the fukt area.
It certainly wasn’t a 1 car broke or 1 person walked so the rest had no choice, It was traffic way ahead, literally everywhere, fire got to road, FD said exit vehicles and go!

 

[Mandelon]

Forward thinking would have put the cars on the sidewalk and lawns...but I know if was panic flight situation. Short selling insurance companies might be a good play. Doh.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

It was chaos. West on Sunset to pch in that area is literally the only way out. East on sunset was a parking lot from temescal east.
PCH was closed off at sunset. So all north bound traffic was being turned around right where sunset was trying to exit onto pch.
between regular traffic that already sucks, add in emergency evacuations of virtually an hour glass area everyone up top funneling into pinch point exits. Add in all the other areas ordered to evacuate that weren’t needed yet, so every single finger side street solid cars sunset to pch. Moving a foot or so a minute. Cant go thru the hills to 101 closed from fire or for emergency access, sunset the other way goes to 405 normally 15 mins, yesterday was 4 hours plus
pch goes to 10 also moving at snails pace. Plus 10 closed just before Malibu where freeay ends, so alot of the that traffic was pushed into side streets where everyone trying to leave or turning around joining the traffic trying to leave.

emergency services did a pretty good job coordinating exits and traffic considering the fukt area.
It certainly wasn’t a 1 car broke or 1 person walked so the rest had no choice, It was traffic way ahead, literally everywhere, fire got to road, FD said exit vehicles and go!

The 10 west was closed at Lincoln. That's Santa Monica. Malibu city limits is miles up PCH from there.

Just making a clarification.

 

[Melloyellovector]

The 10 west was closed at Lincoln. That's Santa Monica. Malibu city limits is miles up PCH from there.

Just making a clarification.

Malibu, Santa Monica
Baywatch what ever lol
I can’t afford to live there, just get suckered into working out there.

I will add there was plenty of emergency Karen’s thinking their situation was much worse than everyone else.
lady was yelling at poor firefighter directing traffic why she was driving on wrong side of road, because she has her dogs with her escaping the fires and they can’t breath this smoke Siiiiiiiiir! lol

 

[Tooms22]

Malibu, Santa Monica
Baywatch what ever lol
I can’t afford to live there, just get suckered into working out there.

I will add there was plenty of emergency Karen’s thinking their situation was much worse than everyone else.
lady was yelling at poor firefighter directing traffic why she was driving on wrong side of road, because she has her dogs with her escaping the fires and they can’t breath this smoke Siiiiiiiiir! lol

I heard a rumor that some of the LAFD guys were champing at the bit to bulldoze some Teslas and Priuses out of the way

 

[4Waters]

I heard a rumor that some of the LAFD guys were champing at the bit to bulldoze some Teslas and Priuses out of the way

Unfortunately LACOFD got to it first

 

[LAPII]

So you're trying to escape the inferno, now you are stuck in gridlock on the road. The PD yells at you to get out and run. So you follow those directions. Later, a FD bulldozer comes and pushes all the cars out of the way totaling dozens of them. Nice cars mostly.

Is your insurance company gonna cover that? Won't they say you abandoned your vehicle in the road so it is not covered? I realize the FD has to do FD shit but damn, that's gonna suck. I guess if you escape with your life you should be grateful.

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So its the PD's fault?

 

[Looking Glass]

Not to mention your address listed on the registration

There is "Nothing" left at your Address to worry about.

 

[GreenEnergy28]

When I got the evacuation order for the Holly fire, I sent my car over to my sister's house. I had all I needed packed and ready, but I didn't want my 1 of only 2,500 ever built Cadillac to be consumed. Thankfully the fire never did reach us. I took this photo before my nephew drove her out of my neighborhood...

 

[scottchbrite]

All I know is this tops the whole “breaking out the windows of the car blocking the hydrant for the supply line” fantasy that almost every fireman has

Seriously, Im Curious how long, how many phone calls, and face to face conversations were made, to make that decision. Especially in these more “liberal” departments with a shit ton of bureaucracy.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

There is "Nothing" left at your Address to worry about.

Touch'e!!


Well played sir!