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Sportin' Wood

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Pulls up a chair and sits down beside me.

@angiebaby is up north this evening renewing her CWP, so I'm on my own for dinner.
There is a great restaurant/bar I like that is waterfront on flathead lake; they have Prime Rib on Friday nights.
I'm minding my own business, drinking my frosty beer, and eating my slightly overdone yet tasty Prime Rib that must be an inch thick and takes 85% of the plate. Couple of small green things for color and a dollop of mashed potato for good measure.

"How's the Prime Rib tonight, looks over done," says the stranger.

"Yea, its a little overdone, but beggers can't be choosers, they run out about this time so if you want some better order up buddy," I respond.

Long story short, after some small talk about various topics, including fine wine, fast women, loose boats, and good cutting horses, turns out he owned the place.

One of our various topics included the soon-to-be-built Casino across the street, the reservation, and city planning. He pointed out a handful of local Havasu snowbirds across the bar, and we chatted about the locals in Montana, recreation, and the people that don't want to accept progress.

It was nice to have an intelligent discussion about influencing progress and how when people bury their heads in the sand or dig in their heels how a town can get messed up.

I can't help but draw a parallel to Havasu in our discussion about a small lakeside town that is firmly divided between a working class of service workers, a reservation, and the outsiders who own vacation and retirement homes who want to enjoy some culture, a good meal and enjoy a glass of wine. Perhaps Flathead Lake, Montana, is far enough away from California to not worry about the negative influence of the declining quality of people, but ironically here we are, two transplant Californians talking about "Improving" the place.

I took a lot of things away from the conversation, but what made an impact is how you simply can't stop progress, and you can only influence if it will satisfy you or upset you. I realized walking away from the bar that as long as I am just taking away an experience, I can't complain about the direction thing are headed. If I want to invest in and grow roots, I should step up and get involved; if not, I am just along for the ride.

As we finished our drinks and said goodbye, I thanked him for opening up a decent place to get a meal and enjoy a drink in an area that does not offer many options. He nodded and said, yea, I guess I just got sick of bitching about it and decided to open up my place.

So I decided to share this story because the Havasu Channel thread came to mind. If you are just along for the ride, I guess you have to accept the outcome. THEN, I thought the same about the state of our country.

Thanks for entertaining my random thoughts.
 

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That area is absolutely beautiful. I'd think Cali could, and has, influenced it some though. Before I ended up where I did, it was on my short list. Wife thought it was too cold in winter. Point being, it wasn't just ballers moving that way, mid range and service folk too.
Progress can be good, or bad. Progress in bringing an area restaurant choices, or even medical choices, those aren't bad.
Progressive government shouldn't be confused with progress though. Modern changes to a "hometown" needn't be civic services paid by others.
 

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That area is absolutely beautiful. I'd think Cali could, and has, influenced it some though. Before I ended up where I did, it was on my short list. Wife thought it was too cold in winter. Point being, it wasn't just ballers moving that way, mid range and service folk too.
Progress can be good, or bad. Progress in bringing an area restaurant choices, or even medical choices, those aren't bad.
Progressive government shouldn't be confused with progress though. Modern changes to a "hometown" needn't be civic services paid by others.
Kalispell is pretty much Cali Spell.

My SIL was born and raised in Ronan, Montana. he went to UofM on a state scholarship, met my daughter, and fell in love. He went to Med School in Billings with the goal of coming back to his small town to practice medicine in an underserved community.

We fell in love with Montana in 2007. The anchor baby (granddaughter) made it home, but for 15 years, we have made it a priority to be here as much as possible. However, I can't do all winter here. @angiebaby is tougher than I am and loves it here. It is 100% her kind of place and all that goes with it.

I'm thankful she let me have my desert time in the winter in Havasu.

I was a plumber when I first started coming here. I found no shortage of demand when we came up here and had a regular group of people I helped. It takes all types to have a community.
 

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Remember hard work pays off? Boomers remember that. The workers need to serve you for 1000 years to afford a down payment on the shitbox rental you are selling. You fucked with socialism for years in the name of capitalism. Your server of burnt prime rib has no chance. YOU fucked the country for not standing up. Worst generation!
 

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Wow that Is Good!

I like it.
so many different views to be had

something to keep in mind
the pendulum swings equally on both sides


We feel there was so much money to be made in the past 2-3 years , everything was so artificially propped up!

and

That made everything / life … change!
For the better?
OR
the worse ? Time will tell






So the Question I have is

“ What is Progress “
 

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Wow that Is Good!

I like it.
so many different views to be had

something to keep in mind
the pendulum swings equally on both sides


We feel there was so much money to be made in the past 2-3 years , everything was so artificially propped up!

and

That made everything / life … change!
For the better?
OR
the worse ? Time will tell






So the Question I have is

“ What is Progress “
I think "progress" is just an interpretation of change. Progression usually means forward motion, where as change may not be. What some may see as progress, may actually be a weakening of society. Progress is subject to opinion...
 

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I think "progress" is just an interpretation of change. Progression usually means forward motion, where as change may not be. What some may see as progress, may actually be a weakening of society. Progress is subject to opinion...
Absolutely Agree.

kind of a trick question….

lots of topics on “ progress “

Fuel prices / going green
Violence / defund police
minimum wage / cost of minimum wage goods / loss of jobs, automation

etc
you can go on and on
 

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I like eating alone at a quiet bar. Sometimes
 

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Just got home from Whitefish, spent 11 days up there. I have been going for the last ten years as my In-laws have a place on the lake. The wife and I have thought about moving up there. The kids are still young enough and I can work from there.
 

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A lot of people confuse progress with development and growth. Progress is something that improves the quality of life of the residents. Development usually improves the quality of life of the developers and politicians by making them wealthier.

I live in a sleepy rural ag valley. We get new comers here (usually from CA) that say we need a grocery store here because they don't want to have to drive 30+ minutes to town. I ask them why didn't they buy a house in town then. They reply that they like how quiet it is here with no traffic, crime, pollution, etc. so this is when I pull up a photo on my phone of a light bulb and hold it over their head.
 

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A lot of people confuse progress with development and growth. Progress is something that improves the quality of life of the residents. Development usually improves the quality of life of the developers and politicians by making them wealthier.

I live in a sleepy rural ag valley. We get new comers here (usually from CA) that say we need a grocery store here because they don't want to have to drive 30+ minutes to town. I ask them why didn't they buy a house in town then. They reply that they like how quiet it is here with no traffic, crime, pollution, etc. so this is when I pull up a photo on my phone of a light bulb and hold it over their head.
It's only 20min into town for us, but it's 5 miles to check the mail ;) What's surprising, people don't know how far a mile is, or what size an acre is. I enjoy the space between things, either homes or businesses. You can see more on the trips into "town".
 

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It's only 20min into town for us, but it's 5 miles to check the mail ;) What's surprising, people don't know how far a mile is, or what size an acre is. I enjoy the space between things, either homes or businesses. You can see more on the trips into "town".
Or how far a “yonder” is, or the difference between “ up the road a bit” or “ down the road a spell”. Lol
 

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A gorilla walks into a bar and says, "A scotch on the rocks, please." The gorilla hands the bartender a $10 bill. The bartender thinks to himself, "This gorilla doesn't know the prices of drinks," and gives him 15 cents change.
The bartender says, "You know, we don't get too many gorillas in here." The gorilla replies, "Well, at $9.85 a drink, I ain't coming back, either
 

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A man walks into a bar and sees his friend sitting beside a 12-inch pianist. He says to his friend, "That's amazing. Where did he come from?"
The friend pulls out an old lamp and tells him the genie inside will grant him one wish. The man rubs the bottle, and to his amazement, a puff of purple smoke spews out and slowly collects in the form of a genie. In a booming voice the genie tells the man he has but one wish.
The man thinks and says, "I wish I had a million bucks." All of a sudden the bar is filled with ducks, bursting from the door and the windows, standing on top of the bar, dunking their heads into people’s drinks.
“What just happened?!” the guy asks. His friend replies, "I know. Did you really think I wanted a 12-inch pianist?"
 
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