42 Fountain Lighting 1350's M8

[Vegaskeith]

Scott Shogren
Alan Gordon rigger
I do believe this is the first 1350 staggered 42 Fountain! I've always been a Fountain fan and hope to own a 29' Fountain Fever some day! What do you think she'll run? 140?
Testing tomorrow.

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[Vegaskeith]

I know 6 or 7 years ago a PR 42 ran 140 with 1075 SCI and sixies.

 

[McRib]

idk what power is had but didn't Rio roses aka cat killer do like high 180s??

 

[hallett21]

Does it have a cabin? I say 146 if it did 140 with 1075s

 

[Tank]

idk what power is had but didn't Rio roses aka cat killer do like high 180s??

Totally different boat. Different lay up and huge power.

 

[Vegaskeith]

idk what power is had but didn't Rio roses aka cat killer do like high 180s??

Yes! I remember that RiO Roses had 1550 Sterlings. Also that was a full race boat and had a shorter not freeboard height. Reggie Jr. Thinks he could hit 200 in that same hull with newer power!

 

[McRib]

Totally different boat. Different lay up and huge power.

really?? Rio roses wasn't a fountain??

 

[YOLO]

BTW, those are dual fuel 1350/1550's. :thumbsup

 

[RiverDave]

really?? Rio roses wasn't a fountain??

It is a fountain that is cut down and light weight is what they were saying. It still looks like a fountain but it isn't a run of the mill production hull.

 

[McRib]

It is a fountain that is cut down and light weight is what they were saying. It still looks like a fountain but it isn't a run of the mill production hull.

I knew that. it's still a fountain though. [emoji12]

 

[LuckyStrike]

Cabin Lay-Out Id say 138 If its a Light Lay-Up id say 167-170'ish

 

[Vegaskeith]

Cabin Lay-Out Id say 138 If its a Light Lay-Up id say 167-170'ish

I think it's a full cabin. Reggie Jr. Thinks it'll run 138mph. That seems on the low end. I'm guessing 140-145.

 

[3queens]

Very nice
That would be bad ass running around Catalina

 

[Andy01]

It will run 134 and 152

 

[Spitfire]

I'm going to say 153

 

[last1]

HAD A BUDDY THAT BOUGHT A NEW ONE IN 05 HAD MERC 850 STAGGERDS WITH 6 DRIVES AND FULL CABIN! RAN 115.

 

[last1]

HAD A BUDDY THAT BOUGHT A NEW ONE IN 05 HAD MERC 850 STAGGERDS WITH 6 DRIVES AND FULL CABIN! RAN 115. I'm gonna say high 140s .He bought his from Scott also.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Those things run hard....130-145 would be my guess depending on mode.

The rigging looks pretty good. Interior and styling there a little dated these days. Seems like they could change a couple things that would help modernize the brand.

 

[New to boating]

It is a fountain that is cut down and light weight is what they were saying. It still looks like a fountain but it isn't a run of the mill production hull.

RIO ROSES was a full canopied Cigarette, not a fountain originally. That boat gained notoriety because it was driven by Indy Car Driver Raul Boesel, and throttled by Phil Lipschutz. Later, Rich Tripoli built a full canopied Fountain and it had the same name, same LOGO design RIO ROSES.

I Raced in Super V at the race in Washington North Carolina, headquartered at the Fountain Factory when Reggie Sr. and Benny Robertson set the KILO record in that boat, I was standing on the dock watching both runs in the river right in front of me when they set the record.. It was not "cut down" at all, it was the standard Fountain 47 Fountain Canopied race boat that Reggie was building and selling at the time. The boat has PSI Supercharged Sterlings in it that Mike D'annabelle built. It sounded like it was spinning at least 8000 RPM during the run it was unbelievable. Benny said that after 160 MPH it basically was non-responsive to the steering when it had so much lift, but Reggie "stayed in it" (big surprise). That was the boat they deed the "Cat Killer" and that was the boat that David Knight and Benny ran at several Poker Runs after they set the record.

I was racing Super V at the time and ran a fountain pleasure boat at Key West during one of the race weekends when I was participating in the races there. I ran a 47 "Poker Run Edition" Fountain, sit down cockpit. The boat had stock 525's and Bravo Drives and I could run 102 MPH on GPS in salt water in 90% humidity, 95 degree day. That was pretty impressive, you could not get close to that in an Outerlimits - not close.

Fountain was the only race boat MFG who had a real R&D program, it was in a 10,000 sq ft building at the factory which you had to be "invited into" to gain access, Benny Robertson ran that building. They would build a boat after making bottom changes, rig it, test it and if they didn't like it cut it up and throw it in a dumpster and start over (stockholder money spends pretty easily). They would spend 200 hours blueprinting a bottom, making the smallest adjustments to the step locations etc.

I was at an APBA Offshore board meeting and Reggie Sr. and I started talking about boats after the meeting ended. We talked for a long time and mostly he did the talking. He started sketching out designs on cocktail napkins, designs he was going to build, full canopied race boats, bottom designs, canopy designs, sleeker, lighter, different step designs........ it was unbelievable really the extent to which this Guy woke up thinking about it and didn't stop - ever.

There were a lot of "cheeseball" things about Reggie, the gold chains, the spray painted hair, the massive EGO but the guy didn't lift - ever - he would crash a boat before lifting.

Fiore (RIP) was never going to catch Fountain in terms of speed if Reggie had kept building boats. Fountain V Bottoms were simply faster, period.

The 1350 Boat will be a bad ass... the 1075 boats are plenty fast.

 

[Tank]

RIO ROSES was a full canopied Cigarette, not a fountain originally. That boat gained notoriety because it was driven by Indy Car Driver Raul Boesel, and throttled by Phil Lipschutz. Later, Rich Tripoli built a full canopied Fountain and it had the same name, same LOGO design RIO ROSES.

I Raced in Super V at the race in Washington North Carolina, headquartered at the Fountain Factory when Reggie Sr. and Benny Robertson set the KILO record in that boat, I was standing on the dock watching both runs in the river right in front of me when they set the record.. It was not "cut down" at all, it was the standard Fountain 47 Fountain Canopied race boat that Reggie was building and selling at the time. The boat has PSI Supercharged Sterlings in it that Mike D'annabelle built. It sounded like it was spinning at least 8000 RPM during the run it was unbelievable. Benny said that after 160 MPH it basically was non-responsive to the steering when it had so much lift, but Reggie "stayed in it" (big surprise). That was the boat they deed the "Cat Killer" and that was the boat that David Knight and Benny ran at several Poker Runs after they set the record.

I was racing Super V at the time and ran a fountain pleasure boat at Key West during one of the race weekends when I was participating in the races there. I ran a 47 "Poker Run Edition" Fountain, sit down cockpit. The boat had stock 525's and Bravo Drives and I could run 102 MPH on GPS in salt water in 90% humidity, 95 degree day. That was pretty impressive, you could not get close to that in an Outerlimits - not close.

Fountain was the only race boat MFG who had a real R&D program, it was in a 10,000 sq ft building at the factory which you had to be "invited into" to gain access, Benny Robertson ran that building. They would build a boat after making bottom changes, rig it, test it and if they didn't like it cut it up and throw it in a dumpster and start over (stockholder money spends pretty easily). They would spend 200 hours blueprinting a bottom, making the smallest adjustments to the step locations etc.

I was at an APBA Offshore board meeting and Reggie Sr. and I started talking about boats after the meeting ended. We talked for a long time and mostly he did the talking. He started sketching out designs on cocktail napkins, designs he was going to build, full canopied race boats, bottom designs, canopy designs, sleeker, lighter, different step designs........ it was unbelievable really the extent to which this Guy woke up thinking about it and didn't stop - ever.

There were a lot of "cheeseball" things about Reggie, the gold chains, the spray painted hair, the massive EGO but the guy didn't lift - ever - he would crash a boat before lifting.

Fiore (RIP) was never going to catch Fountain in terms of speed if Reggie had kept building boats. Fountain V Bottoms were simply faster, period.

The 1350 Boat will be a bad ass... the 1075 boats are plenty fast.

Great first hand info. Thank you.

Glad someone else remembers the first rio roses boat (45' Cigarette that Phil had built). The canopy is hanging in his shop still. Boat was transformed into the first Maximus (1 of 5 built) and owned for many years by Tom Abraham out of New York.

I disagree however that the cat killer boat is basically the same boat as a "production fountain". Pretty well known Reggie would screw with his lay up (heard you could see light through the hull - which actually isn't that uncommon for race boats) bottom and anything else that he felt he needed to in order to get every mph out of his RACE boats - including running the 1500+ hp sterling motors in cat killer.

Unfortunately all that R&D, EGO and drive destroyed reggies company and bankrupt him. The same can be said for killing Mike (RIP).

Cat killer is/was bad ass for sure (heard its in Trinidad) and this new boat with 1350's is going to be a monster. I'm guessing 150 range.

 

[boat527]

I read an article about when Cigarette tried to break the record ( with the then " experimental Twin turbo Merc Quad cam motors) with JT in the cockpit.

Johnny Tomlinson told the writer that driving a "V" that fast was like trying to "balance a bowling ball on a razor blade"

 

[RiverDave]

Fiore (RIP) was never going to catch Fountain in terms of speed if Reggie had kept building boats. Fountain V Bottoms were simply faster, period.

The 1350 Boat will be a bad ass... the 1075 boats are plenty fast.

I spoke to Mike right before that fateful LOTO.. He told me they were going to re do the entire line up of larger boats with the technology that had come out of the SV-29.

Now that he is gone, I don't expect that will happen. There is no denying the sheer performance of the 29 though. 100+ with a single 600 is impressive.

 

[SKIA36]

43 Outerlimits V-bottom with TCM 1200s 176+mph

 

[Tank]

I read an article about when Cigarette tried to break the record ( with the then " experimental Twin turbo Merc Quad cam motors) with JT in the cockpit.

Johnny Tomlinson told the writer that driving a "V" that fast was like trying to "balance a bowling ball on a razor blade"

Boat ran north of 170 but averaged 163 to miss the record at the time. No pad on the bull so it rocked at that speed. Johnny said there was a LOT left in it.

Pics of it and it's different phases.




And a little video of the original rio roses Maximus and the kilo boat and is coming into the channel.

[video=youtube_https;9wlAtBjv9B4]https://youtu.be/9wlAtBjv9B4[/video]

[video=youtube_https;d2T_RCvtbkU]https://youtu.be/d2T_RCvtbkU[/video]

 

[JD D05]

I spoke to Mike right before that fateful LOTO.. He told me they were going to re do the entire line up of larger boats with the technology that had come out of the SV-29.

Now that he is gone, I don't expect that will happen. There is no denying the sheer performance of the 29 though. 100+ with a single 600 is impressive.

I would buy a 30MPH slower Outerlimits over a Fountain due to Reggie's hair alone.

 

[McKay]

I spoke to Mike right before that fateful LOTO.. He told me they were going to re do the entire line up of larger boats with the technology that had come out of the SV-29.

Now that he is gone, I don't expect that will happen. There is no denying the sheer performance of the 29 though. 100+ with a single 600 is impressive.

I had done some digging on the numbers of the SV-29 with the Merc 600. Was told that it had some whipple upgrades done to get it to 100. Said it was low 90's with a stock 600. Take it for what it's worth. Did anyone ever here what the recent one that eliminator built ran?

 

[37 boat]

RIO ROSES was a full canopied Cigarette, not a fountain originally. That boat gained notoriety because it was driven by Indy Car Driver Raul Boesel, and throttled by Phil Lipschutz. Later, Rich Tripoli built a full canopied Fountain and it had the same name, same LOGO design RIO ROSES.

I Raced in Super V at the race in Washington North Carolina, headquartered at the Fountain Factory when Reggie Sr. and Benny Robertson set the KILO record in that boat, I was standing on the dock watching both runs in the river right in front of me when they set the record.. It was not "cut down" at all, it was the standard Fountain 47 Fountain Canopied race boat that Reggie was building and selling at the time. The boat has PSI Supercharged Sterlings in it that Mike D'annabelle built. It sounded like it was spinning at least 8000 RPM during the run it was unbelievable. Benny said that after 160 MPH it basically was non-responsive to the steering when it had so much lift, but Reggie "stayed in it" (big surprise). That was the boat they deed the "Cat Killer" and that was the boat that David Knight and Benny ran at several Poker Runs after they set the record.

I was racing Super V at the time and ran a fountain pleasure boat at Key West during one of the race weekends when I was participating in the races there. I ran a 47 "Poker Run Edition" Fountain, sit down cockpit. The boat had stock 525's and Bravo Drives and I could run 102 MPH on GPS in salt water in 90% humidity, 95 degree day. That was pretty impressive, you could not get close to that in an Outerlimits - not close.

Fountain was the only race boat MFG who had a real R&D program, it was in a 10,000 sq ft building at the factory which you had to be "invited into" to gain access, Benny Robertson ran that building. They would build a boat after making bottom changes, rig it, test it and if they didn't like it cut it up and throw it in a dumpster and start over (stockholder money spends pretty easily). They would spend 200 hours blueprinting a bottom, making the smallest adjustments to the step locations etc.

I was at an APBA Offshore board meeting and Reggie Sr. and I started talking about boats after the meeting ended. We talked for a long time and mostly he did the talking. He started sketching out designs on cocktail napkins, designs he was going to build, full canopied race boats, bottom designs, canopy designs, sleeker, lighter, different step designs........ it was unbelievable really the extent to which this Guy woke up thinking about it and didn't stop - ever.

There were a lot of "cheeseball" things about Reggie, the gold chains, the spray painted hair, the massive EGO but the guy didn't lift - ever - he would crash a boat before lifting.

Fiore (RIP) was never going to catch Fountain in terms of speed if Reggie had kept building boats. Fountain V Bottoms were simply faster, period.

The 1350 Boat will be a bad ass... the 1075 boats are plenty fast.

I was working for Dick Simon Marine (Fountain Dealer) back when Raul Boesel was driving one of Simon's Indy cars. Fountain was a sponsor on the car and Boesel owned a 38 at the time. In 95 I sold a 42 Lightning with staggered 800 sc's and was in the boat with 6 people and full tanks when it ran 102 in fairly big swells. I met Reggie a couple of times...he was definitely driven to build fast boats and like you said he would "drive" them. Dick Simon didn't like to lift either, I went on a couple of memorable rides with him too. I still have a soft spot in my heart for Fountains, they were built well, handled well and went fast.

 

[Vegaskeith]

No numbers yet!

Big Rooster!

 

[pixrthis]

I was working for Dick Simon Marine (Fountain Dealer) back when Raul Boesel was driving one of Simon's Indy cars. Fountain was a sponsor on the car and Boesel owned a 38 at the time. In 95 I sold a 42 Lightning with staggered 800 sc's and was in the boat with 6 people and full tanks when it ran 102 in fairly big swells. I met Reggie a couple of times...he was definitely driven to build fast boats and like you said he would "drive" them. Dick Simon didn't like to lift either, I went on a couple of memorable rides with him too. I still have a soft spot in my heart for Fountains, they were built well, handled well and went fast.

I remember racing with Simon and seeing him get spit out of the F2 Cigarette in Benecia. I was really happy he was ok.

 

[River Lynchmob]

Does it have a cabin? I say 146 if it did 140 with 1075s

With 550 more hp you will get a lot more than 6 mph more on the top end.

 

[Vegaskeith]

http://speedonthewater.com/in-the-n...g-1550-engine-powered-fountain-wows-test-team

This article states it's a 47' Lightning.

125MPH. Couldn't get #Positivetrim yesterday. Have some fine tuning to go. Excepts 130-132 on pump gas 1350 mode. Next up is fun gas 1550 mode!

 

[Tank]

I remember racing with Simon and seeing him get spit out of the F2 Cigarette in Benecia. I was really happy he was ok.

He was with Sean Stinson in the F2 cigarette. Jeff Cheng, the founder of OSO, owned that boat for a while and it's currently in LOTO.

 

[Tank]

http://speedonthewater.com/in-the-n...g-1550-engine-powered-fountain-wows-test-team

This article states it's a 47' Lightning.

125MPH. Couldn't get #Positivetrim yesterday. Have some fine tuning to go. Excepts 130-132 on pump gas 1350 mode. Next up is fun gas 1550 mode!

Seems like there should be a lot more in it.

 

[hallett21]

31 dcbs are running 180 with 1350s. I'd have to think that a big V like that would be at least 20-30mph slower

 

[Go Big]

31 dcbs are running 180 with 1350s. I'd have to think that a big V like that would be at least 20-30mph slower

There is a huge weight difference between a M31 and a Fully Equipped 47 Fountain. Not to mention its a V-Bottom. You are comparing apples and oranges. At least 30mph slower.

 

[hallett21]

There is a huge weight difference between a M31 and a Full Equipped 42 Fountain. Not to mention its a V-Bottom. You are comparing apples and oranges. At least 30mph slower.

That was kind of my point. Just because it has 1350s doesn't mean it will run 150+

 

[Vegaskeith]

That was kind of my point. Just because it has 1350s doesn't mean it will run 150+

It's a 47' not a 42'.

 

[Dkahnjob]

Speed on the water called the boat a 47' Fountain and I believe that is correct because from the picture it has 3 rows of seats and a 42 only has 2 rows.
That is a big heavy boat to go that fast. Very impressive.