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I think Iāll take a looksy at this tomorrow
Does anybody know of someone that has a pre order 2 seat El diablo LE that wants to sell their spot? I got cash in hand and ready to pull the trigger. I was going to pre order Last year when the price was lower but was not financially able to. I understand that some have become available on Facebook but I'm not much of a social media guy (No FaceF*ck account) any help would be appreciated.
I canāt believe you guys think the doors were hollow feeling. You maybe comparing them to your built side by side with door bags and after market stuff on them. A stock RZR or can am door is junk compared to that speed program.
Agreed on all counts. It appeared all the latches are adjustable so Iām thinking that part will be easy to fix. It looked like they were putting the final touches on stuff and just ran out of time. Each one had a couple pieces missing, a seat on one, a muffler on another, a couple interior panels on a third. The doors were hollow feeling, but that said, what we have now on cars are are just pieces of tin. A Polaris General or even a Pro XP door feels a little more substantial. It did feel like the doors were the right size though. Getting in the back wasnāt too bad at all, and the front had a good amount of room.
Iām not overly concerned with the cage welds as these were literally the first ones built. They will dial that stuff in as we get closer.
As someone who has done lots of trade shows, world of Cobcrete, Con-Expo type stuff, Iād be concerned.
when you do a show, you put your absolute best foot forward. You make your product look itās absolute very best. If they canāt even make āsimple adjustmentsā to a show car, Iād be very skeptical
but again, Iām probably a buyer after all the hoopla.
My only exposure to this new Speed Car is courtesy of RDP. From the RD pics, some very cool features. Confused on the door openings. My XX doors open towards the rear, I noticed in one Speed Car pic, it seemed to as well. But then in another picture it seemed to open forward -- must be two different cars ?
One picture with a lady behind the wheel made it appear she'd have to sit on telephone books to peer over the wheel -- could be picture angle ?
The excellent forward vision is one aspect of the XX I truly appreciate, seems if you're tall enough, the Speed Car offers similar good front sight line.
I've considered a rear camera, one I can use at all speeds, especially if I mount a spare on a box blocking my rear view mirror. However, never having one in a dirt car, how long is it useful before it's rendered useless from dust ?
I didn't notice any heat shielding over the Turbo and exhaust, probably a pre-production car thing. Don't want to boil ur beer.
Two things on I noticed on the 4 seater, Holy Shit, that big guy appears to be stuffed into that seat with almost zero leg room that LOF had mentioned.
Considering what appears to be the average "Ass-size" of the show attendees, probably a good thing the seats are " Bendable" as RD mentioned.
Looks like the guy in the pic below appreciates the bending.
The other thing is the U-bolt for the door latch. Damn that thing appears to be some banged knees and blood letting just waiting to happen.
At least these Speed Cars don't seen to have that really tall lower door sill to step over like my XX.
They barely made the show deadline, and were up to the wire to get the cars there. Going back pages in this thread, the experts didnāt even think that was possible that cars will be there.
Who has ever brought a preproduction car to a car show and then let the public crawl all over it? It does not happen. It is like Chevrolet bringing a C8 preproduction car to the LA car show before itās released. If someone does, the car is roped off and you are 10 feet away. People can crawl all over these things. Speed pretty much bared itās soul and I think it is a good thing. Now we all know exactly where they are at with the car, and where they need to go. Certainly there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Given that context, and these are the first few cars out of the assembly process Iām not that concerned. We are talking about SXSs here. The current bar is very low and barring a few tweaks what we saw is at least as good as what is currently on the market.
Iāve been in one RZR 7 years ago in glamis during New Years. Itās not my deal.
However, I like where Robby Gordon is going with this. He has a reputable name and heās breaking the āruleā by entering a space that is controlled by only a few.
The profits are astronomical for the future. As any new first product launch. Itās hard for it to be perfect. Everyday that goes by, new technology is released so it would seem youāre always working from the rears.
After the first initial launch and when he gets that ball rolling, heās going to be in good shape.
I still remember the first released tesla to the masses. When freezing cold. The door handles would be frozen shut, too much rain, rear bumper valance would fall off.
Now Tesla is arguably the biggest talk around town. The technology, the impact it has done.
I donāt believe the first car release from Robby will be great, but it will be decent. I think his future cars will be substantially better. Good for him to take this type of a risk.
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The difference to me is he has taken quite a few deposits. Just Sayin
'They barely made the show'.
Sorry guys you are going to miss this desert season.
They will get the car right for production, but unless you see 50-100 of these in crates today and ready to ship you will be driving a different utv this season.
Missing pieces is not a good sign at time of the process.
I appreciate the effort they have made but the result is embarrassing. People still defending the junk seen at the sand show remind me of people that voted for Biden and keep saying ājust wait and see things are going to get betterā
I appreciate the effort they have made but the result is embarrassing. People still defending the junk seen at the sand show remind me of people that voted for Biden and keep saying ājust wait and see things are going to get betterā
Agreed. I fully expect a handful of dumb little problems. For the price paid, I can deal.
I haven't figured out my calculation between saving $ and being stuck in the desert with my fam for some "dumb little reason." Everything breaks eventually why start out that way? lol.
I haven't followed the build too much but shouldn't a prototype or "pre-production" anything should be better than a production piece? Production is just trying to achieve the same level of quality in mass quantity by the most efficient and cost effective means.
I will own one of the speed cars in the future I'm sure but Jesus, the kool-aid you guys are drinking is made with sweat from Robby's nuts.
Am I wrong to think the that the customers will be doing the real testing of these first vehicles? Unless I missed somewhere that they will spend a few months to do real world testing of "pre-production" units. Maybe 10+ units for 10 thousand+ miles and do repeated tear downs and inspections along the way to make corrections for final production as needed. That would be about 40 days of 250miles of testing.....
flame away.
I appreciate the effort they have made but the result is embarrassing. People still defending the junk seen at the sand show remind me of people that voted for Biden and keep saying ājust wait and see things are going to get betterā
now we have complete cars
"We" do?
"We" as in you and Speed Cars?
Awesome RD Looking forward to it, Thank you!possibly. I will check with my buddy next week. He might want to move to a four seater and he could part with his. If I get the two on Monday I will let him have one of them.
Just from what Iāve read here and a few other places, if the showing of the cars at the Offroad Expo isnāt way better Iād say that the whole deal seems hokey. People talking about ārushedā wait arenāt these already over a year late? How rushed is that really?
Well you donāt, you arenāt participating
Those of us with a interest are seeing things move forward.
You gonna answer my questions?
I haven't figured out my calculation between saving $ and being stuck in the desert with my fam for some "dumb little reason." Everything breaks eventually why start out that way? lol.
I haven't followed the build too much but shouldn't a prototype or "pre-production" anything should be better than a production piece? Production is just trying to achieve the same level of quality in mass quantity by the most efficient and cost effective means.
I will own one of the speed cars in the future I'm sure but Jesus, the kool-aid you guys are drinking is made with sweat from Robby's nuts.
Am I wrong to think the that the customers will be doing the real testing of these first vehicles? Unless I missed somewhere that they will spend a few months to do real world testing of "pre-production" units. Maybe 10+ units for 10 thousand+ miles and do repeated tear downs and inspections along the way to make corrections for final production as needed. That would be about 40 days of 250miles of testing.....
flame away.
He said every car will be just like the preproduction cars and they are perfect in every way. There will be no improvements on the production models.
āYou get what you get and you donāt throw a fitā was the quote he used I believe.
So they all have a bolt welded to fill the cage welding gaps?
Just from what Iāve read here and a few other places, if the showing of the cars at the Offroad Expo isnāt way better Iād say that the whole deal seems hokey. People talking about ārushedā wait arenāt these already over a year late? How rushed is that really?
Every single one.
I canāt pretty much guarantee they arenāt gonna change that shitty weld with the bolt.. lol.
They probably will put some of the missing panels in them.
Honestly that weld with the bolt should have never left the shop. I donāt know what they were thinking because itās been documented pretty well. They own a fab shop I think Iād cut it out and fix it real quick. I think they are just pressing on trying to get the complete car and testing / production moving.
If you saw it in person and sat in it etc I think you would be chomping at the bit.
Look at this thread and go back a week. These preproduction cars were not going to even be here for 90 days at least. They were gonna be stuck in China, stuck on the boat, Stuck at port... theyād never even be assembled by now.
To be fair they were all about 95-98% assembled, but they magically got here, against apparently all odds.
What site on FB did you see a 2 seater come up for sale ?Does anybody know of someone that has a pre order 2 seat El diablo LE that wants to sell their spot? I got cash in hand and ready to pull the trigger. I was going to pre order Last year when the price was lower but was not financially able to. I understand that some have become available on Facebook but I'm not much of a social media guy (No FaceF*ck account) any help would be appreciated.
The negativity from team ānever done anything in my lifeā is astounding..
I am still blown away by the power plant.. people donāt understand what it takes just to make the tooling for those castings etc.. itās fucking crazy to me that he is already this far ahead in the game.
Iāll agree that we donāt know how durable it will be over time yet, but it looks legit and on paper itās the best thing going in a UTV. And the power it seems to be making is real. Itās way faster on 32ās than a stock RR Can Am on 30ā big horns.
When this deal started a ānewā engine wasnāt even part of the proposition.
Thatās what Iām saying. You could drop millions off anywhere and say give me a legit turbo motor in two years and they would laugh and say that doesnāt even cover the engineering let alone the tooling..
Itās crazy.. and people are saying they havenāt done enough / fast enough?
And Iām on Robbyās nuts?
These people are living in fantasy land..
The off-road expo is going to be the same cars. My advice to anyone is if you donāt like them, donāt buy one.
I donāt even get the complaints now.
Are you mad the car you didnāt put a deposit down on is late because they did more testing and didnāt rush to production during supply chain issues?
Or are you mad the car you didnāt put a deposit down on is late and they should have just rushed to production without any testing and encountered supply chain issues?
If you thought you were getting a car a year ago you were out of your mind to begin with. Itās funny that the only people really worried about the car are the ones with no car. You see any of the people with reservations really concerned?
I canāt pretty much guarantee they arenāt gonna change that shitty weld with the bolt.. lol.
They probably will put some of the missing panels in them.
Honestly that weld with the bolt should have never left the shop. I donāt know what they were thinking because itās been documented pretty well. They own a fab shop I think Iād cut it out and fix it real quick. I think they are just pressing on trying to get the complete car and testing / production moving.
If you saw it in person and sat in it etc I think you would be chomping at the bit.