4 seat speed UTV

[Icky]

Already in the works. View attachment 980178

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Heartland had a " 34' " road warrior and cyclone model that had 18' to the first cabinet in an open floor plan they stopped making.

Edit I had 36', it was a labeled as a 34 but actually 38' long

 

[Blackmagic94]

And this is why competition is good for consumers: View attachment 981464 View attachment 981465

What is that

 

[LowRiver2]

What is that

Supposedly new rzr: 2.0 5 speed N/A, 240 with a turbo
All “allegedly “, I take no responsibility for the actual outcome, but that isn’t a current Xp pro based on size

 

[Blackmagic94]

Supposedly new rzr: 2.0 5 speed N/A, 240 with a turbo
All “allegedly “, I take no responsibility for the actual outcome, but that isn’t a current Xp pro based on size

Well there goes the speed sales lol

 

[riverroyal]

Speed will be revolutionary for 1 year

 

[2Driver]

Speed will be revolutionary for 1 year

LOL from what date?

 

[mash on it]

LOL from what date?

Yes

Dan'l

 

[Skater368]

Supposedly new rzr: 2.0 5 speed N/A, 240 with a turbo
All “allegedly “, I take no responsibility for the actual outcome, but that isn’t a current Xp pro based on size

For anyone to think that a company like Polaris, isn't going to respond to the Speed car is crazy. Polaris (and Can am) have more money, more engineers, unlimited R&D dollars and time. If they come out with something like you posted, all of RG's efforts will need to be repeated as the technology war begins. Does he have the money, the time or even the desire to get into a performance battle with the likes of Polaris and Can am?

I am cheering for RG to succeed.

The next few years will be really good for the customer.

 

[HCP3]

And this is why competition is good for consumers: View attachment 981464 View attachment 981465

What are we looking at here?

Edit: I didn't read far enough ahead where you answered this question.

 

[Blackmagic94]

For anyone to think that a company like Polaris, isn't going to respond to the Speed car is crazy. Polaris (and Can am) have more money, more engineers, unlimited R&D dollars and time. If they come out with something like you posted, all of RG's efforts will need to be repeated as the technology war begins. Does he have the money, the time or even the desire to get into a performance battle with the likes of Polaris and Can am?

I am cheering for RG to succeed.

The next few years will be really good for the customer.

The longer he takes to get to market the worse it’s gonna be for him. He has a 6-9 month window to be successful

 

[LowRiver2]

For anyone to think that a company like Polaris, isn't going to respond to the Speed car is crazy. Polaris (and Can am) have more money, more engineers, unlimited R&D dollars and time. If they come out with something like you posted, all of RG's efforts will need to be repeated as the technology war begins. Does he have the money, the time or even the desire to get into a performance battle with the likes of Polaris and Can am?

I am cheering for RG to succeed.

The next few years will be really good for the customer.

It’s good (competition of brands), for all of us, my only point.

 

[riverroyal]

It’s good (competition of brands), for all of us, my only point.

100%

 

[Skater368]

It’s good (competition of brands), for all of us, my only point.

We’re in complete agreement

 

[Flying_Lavey]

For anyone to think that a company like Polaris, isn't going to respond to the Speed car is crazy. Polaris (and Can am) have more money, more engineers, unlimited R&D dollars and time. If they come out with something like you posted, all of RG's efforts will need to be repeated as the technology war begins. Does he have the money, the time or even the desire to get into a performance battle with the likes of Polaris and Can am?

I am cheering for RG to succeed.

The next few years will be really good for the customer.

I have a hard time seeing Polaris or Can Am going away from the shitty press formed sheet metal that's all bolted together with some minimal tubing chasis that they have been using. Until they do that, I think the Speed car will continue to have the edge in many ways.

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[RiverDave]

I have a hard time seeing Polaris or Can Am going away from the shitty press formed sheet metal that's all bolted together with some minimal tubing chasis that they have been using. Until they do that, I think the Speed car will continue to have the edge in many ways.

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i agree.. I don’t see Polaris putting bug shocks on the cars and truly making a full fledged offroad car like Robby is doing.

 

[Skater368]

i agree.. I don’t see Polaris putting bug shocks on the cars and truly making a full fledged offroad car like Robby is doing.

You may be right. However, Polaris is a public company with almost 7 Billion in revenue. They are held to profitability standards by a shareholders and a BOD. They can't allow a threat to their profit to go unchecked.

If they or Can am do not respond, they are going to allow for some big investment into Speed then they will have allowed a viable competitor to enter their very profitable niche. They can produce the same exact car as RG for far less, due to their volumes and current production capabilities.

Again, I am cheering for RG to succeed. Its a long and difficult slog ahead.

Let me ask this; If you could get the exact same level performance (or better) for 5-10K less, what would your decision be?

 

[Bpracing1127]

Polaris and can am will not change. The speed car is not entry level both on price and technology. Both can am and Polaris offer entry level platforms that are affordable and profitable. They have tooling and mfg cost covered so revamping up is not going to happen. They may take some design cues from the speed car such as the functional bed or acc included but I would not expect them to come close to using a rear cage or good shocks. Only thing is the hp wars will continue

 

[Skater368]

Polaris and can am will not change. The speed car is not entry level both on price and technology. Both can am and Polaris offer entry level platforms that are affordable and profitable. They have tooling and mfg cost covered so revamping up is not going to happen. They may take some design cues from the speed car such as the functional bed or acc included but I would not expect them to come close to using a rear cage or good shocks. Only thing is the hp wars will continue

I don't claim to have any special insight or knowledge. I just cant see them allowing Speed to start piling up desert wins.

In any case, the winners will be the consumer.

 

[c_land]

I have a hard time seeing Polaris or Can Am going away from the shitty press formed sheet metal that's all bolted together with some minimal tubing chasis that they have been using. Until they do that, I think the Speed car will continue to have the edge in many ways.

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The assemblies used in building these are a product of making them fast/cheap to put together. The speed car needs to be an assembly line product just like Polaris and Can Am for the same reason.

The prototypes that Robby has been running are handbuilt one off cars. Not the quality you are going to get from the Chinese owned plant that they are allegedly using to build them.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Supposedly new rzr: 2.0 5 speed N/A, 240 with a turbo
All “allegedly “, I take no responsibility for the actual outcome, but that isn’t a current Xp pro based on size

1.3 or 1.4 L Non Turbo for the Pro R is what I heard. The Speed car will supposedly make more power than the NA Pro R. When it comes out and is turbocharged in another couple years that will be interesting.

But Speed already has a 1265cc turbo engine, so they will be ready to respond.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You may be right. However, Polaris is a public company with almost 7 Billion in revenue. They are held to profitability standards by a shareholders and a BOD. They can't allow a threat to their profit to go unchecked.

If they or Can am do not respond, they are going to allow for some big investment into Speed then they will have allowed a viable competitor to enter their very profitable niche. They can produce the same exact car as RG for far less, due to their volumes and current production capabilities.

Again, I am cheering for RG to succeed. Its a long and difficult slog ahead.

Let me ask this; If you could get the exact same level performance (or better) for 5-10K less, what would your decision be?

Keep in mind this is a boutique car produced in much lower quantities than Polaris or Can Am. I think it is on their radar, but I don’t think they care a whole heck of a lot.

Can Am has a new transmission next year supposedly.

Polaris has this Pro R coming out. These are all different cars for different buyers. If you just want to go out and have fun for cheap you can still buy a Polaris XP1000.

Polaris and Can Am sell more in a month than Speed does in a year.

Polaris and Can Am are going to respond by adding technology to their current cars. The Smart Shox deal in the Can Am is just getting started and will only get better. Speed can’t compete there, they don’t have the volume.

The answer to your question IS the Speed car. It is easily $10k cheaper than a built Can Am or RZR and should give at least as good performance, probably better.

Can Am and Polaris are not going to give you more performance for a cheaper price, ever. They are going to come out with more expensive cars to compete with the Speed car and expect to sell them based on their brand name.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The assemblies used in building these are a product of making them fast/cheap to put together. The speed car needs to be an assembly line product just like Polaris and Can Am for the same reason.

The prototypes that Robby has been running are handbuilt one off cars. Not the quality you are going to get from the Chinese owned plant that they are allegedly using to build them.

It is not like the bar for design or construction is very high with any of them right now. If the Speed car does not need $5k in aftermarket parts to keep it together for the life of the car, it does not matter what assembly line it was made at.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The longer he takes to get to market the worse it’s gonna be for him. He has a 6-9 month window to be successful

No he does not. Can Am and Polaris are pretty much locked into their design cycles for 2022 at this point. They are going to be launching the 2022s in 4 months. Then they are stuck with those models for the year.

 

[Racer56]

Everyone forgets that the Speed utv is setup for desert riding and dunning, which is a west coast thing only. The majority of the big boy's utv sale's are geared towards wood's riding, mud bogging, hunting and utility farm work. Speed utv will definitely take market share away from the big manufacturers, but I'm sure their lower price point and future improvements will be enough to maintain a strong presence with the average Joe buyer.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Everyone forgets that the Speed utv is setup for desert riding and dunning, which is a west coast thing only. The majority of the big boy's utv sale's are geared towards wood's riding, mud bogging, hunting and utility farm work. Speed utv will definitely take market share away from the big manufacturers, but I'm sure their lower price point and future improvements will be enough to maintain a strong presence with the average Joe buyer.

This. Not everyone wants to spend $30k+ on a SXS. The market for the more entry level cars is huge in North America.

 

[rivrrts429]

Everyone forgets that the Speed utv is setup for desert riding and dunning, which is a west coast thing only. The majority of the big boy's utv sale's are geared towards wood's riding, mud bogging, hunting and utility farm work. Speed utv will definitely take market share away from the big manufacturers, but I'm sure their lower price point and future improvements will be enough to maintain a strong presence with the average Joe buyer.

Polaris has an extensive testing team based in Lake Havasu. Two years before the Pro XP came out they were testing the car solely in Lake Havasu. Ran into the team testing the car when we were stopped between Havasu and Williams.

 

[rivrrts429]

Well there goes the speed sales lol

If you’re shopping on a budget Polaris will still sell plenty of cars.

After seeing a production Speed car in person it makes the quality of my RZR look like absolute trash.

Everything about the Speed car is far and beyond what is currently on the market. It’s almost like someone who knows what matters in off-road built the car lol

 

[Flying_Lavey]

The assemblies used in building these are a product of making them fast/cheap to put together. The speed car needs to be an assembly line product just like Polaris and Can Am for the same reason.

The prototypes that Robby has been running are handbuilt one off cars. Not the quality you are going to get from the Chinese owned plant that they are allegedly using to build them.

You'd be surprised how cheap and easy it is to mass-produce a tube chasis with modern CNC cutting bending, and welding.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

You'd be surprised how cheap and easy it is to mass-produce a tube chasis with modern CNC cutting bending, and welding.

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Polaris and Can Am do exactly that today. They just let the bean counters compromise the designs to save money.

The “China owned” factory that is building the Speed cars probably does more assembly line chassis building with CNC bent and laser cut tubes than Polaris or Can Am.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Polaris has an extensive testing team based in Lake Havasu. Two years before the Pro XP came out they were testing the car solely in Lake Havasu. Ran into the team testing the car when we were stopped between Havasu and Williams.

That is true, but it seems their goal is to make the cars just “adequate” for out here. Like spend another $50 per car and put 2.5” front shocks on the thing. Do you have to put the thinnest radius rods possible on the car?

I would say that the Pro XP and the Turbo S are a bit better in that regard. Their components are beefier from the factory.

 

[Universal Elements]

It’s ok, I’ll stick to my 3 year warrantied mule and let u guys have the kickass machines

 

[2Driver]

It’s ok, I’ll stick to my 3 year warrantied mule and let u guys have the kickass machines

When you think about it, how much car do 85% of the buyers need to drive out standard wash and drink beer.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

When you think about it, how much car do 85% of the buyers need to drive out standard wash and drink beer.

Can I answer yore question with a question?

How much bote do you need to idle to the channel and drink beer?

 

[2Driver]

 

[Blackmagic94]

If you’re shopping on a budget Polaris will still sell plenty of cars.

After seeing a production Speed car in person it makes the quality of my RZR look like absolute trash.

Everything about the Speed car is far and beyond what is currently on the market. It’s almost like someone who knows what matters in off-road built the car lol

If you’re shopping on a budget Polaris will still sell plenty of cars.

After seeing a production Speed car in person it makes the quality of my RZR look like absolute trash.

Everything about the Speed car is far and beyond what is currently on the market. It’s almost like someone who knows what matters in off-road built the car lol

How did you see a production car when they are still in devolvement and preproduction stages? I find it hard to believe that a car that is running around with a one piece disposable race body is shinning in the QC department

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How did you see a production car when they are still in devolvement and preproduction stages? I find it hard to believe that a car that is running around with a one piece disposable race body is shinning in the QC department

Try to imagine that manufacturers do many things in parallel when developing a car. This is not a serial process. Somethings are done in public and some are done in private, many times these tasks are done at the same time.

There are couple preproduction and test cars that Speed has shown week in and week out. There have been mules and prototype cars testing out various parts in various configurations for MONTHS in private behind the scenes. The fuel system has been around for about a year for CARB/ EPA certification. The engine has been around almost a year now.

That is why the public test cars have ran fairly successfully so far, because validation testing was done behind the scenes. There are already preproduction assembly line cars out there, because they have been getting the assembly line going in parallel with final testing they are publicly showing.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Try to imagine that manufacturers do many things in parallel when developing a car. This is not a serial process. Somethings are done in public and some are done in private, many times these tasks are done at the same time.

There are couple preproduction and test cars that Speed has shown week in and week out. There have been mules and prototype cars testing out various parts in various configurations for MONTHS in private behind the scenes. The fuel system has been around for about a year for CARB/ EPA certification. The engine has been around almost a year now.

That is why the public test cars have ran fairly successfully so far, because validation testing was done behind the scenes. There are already preproduction assembly line cars out there, because they have been getting the assembly line going in parallel with final testing they are publicly showing.

why are you answering a question that was not addressed to you?




But ill ask you this


Post a picture of any Speed car with a production body on it. Lights etc

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

why are you answering a question that was not addressed to you?




But ill ask you this


Post a picture of any Speed car with a production body on it. Lights etc

He would have gave you the same answer.. because that IS the answer. Unless you are calling him stupid, or a liar, the answer I gave you is the only answer to your question.

There are preproduction Speed cars out in the wild. More than one person have seen them. I have not ran across one in my off road adventures.

In 4-6 weeks they are supposed to go public with the assembly line cars. I don't need to see a picture of one with working headlights this second. Seeing working headlights and a plastic body are the least of my concern right now.

 

[Blackmagic94]

He would have gave you the same answer.. because that IS the answer. Unless you are calling him stupid, or a liar, the answer I gave you is the only answer to your question.

There are preproduction Speed cars out in the wild. More than one person have seen them. I have not ran across one in my off road adventures.

In 4-6 weeks they are supposed to go public with the assembly line cars. I don't need to see a picture of one with working headlights this second. Seeing working headlights and a plastic body are the least of my concern right now.

So you don't have any pictures and have not seen one.



Nut swinging in full effect in here.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So you don't have any pictures and have not seen one.


Nut swinging in full effect in here.

I've talked to 3 people now that have seen them in person. They were told not to share pictures.

If you want to keep your head in the sand with how products are developed in industry, go ahead.

No one has seen a running new production Ford Bronco either, but they are around.... another product debut that was delayed.

 

[RiverDave]

So you don't have any pictures and have not seen one.



Nut swinging in full effect in here.

Seems a little harsh

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Seems a little harsh

He's just being obtuse.

 

[FlyByWire]

He's just being obtuse.

 

[rivrrts429]

How did you see a production car when they are still in devolvement and preproduction stages? I find it hard to believe that a car that is running around with a one piece disposable race body is shinning in the QC department

Are you assuming I didn’t? What motivation would someone like myself have to want to make up some crazy bullshit for the sake of the forum? That’s the type of shit people do on Facebook for attention. I’d like to believe this platform, for the most part, doesn’t operate in that way.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. It doesn’t matter to me if the Speed car is a success or not. I was leery until I saw the car in person.

I have pics on my phone of the car but was asked not to share publicly as the owner doesn’t need or want the attention.

I’m not sure why you would think I would need to bullshit you or the forum? I’ve been on this forum for 10+ years.

Those that know me on this forum will vouch I don’t make up stories. Bullshitter I am not.

 

[LowRiver2]

Are you assuming I didn’t? What motivation would someone like myself have to want to make up some crazy bullshit for the sake of the forum? That’s the type of shit people do on Facebook for attention. I’d like to believe this platform, for the most part, doesn’t operate in that way.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. It doesn’t matter to me if the Speed car is a success or not. I was leery until I saw the car in person.

I have pics on my phone of the car but was asked not to share publicly as the owner doesn’t need or want the attention.

I’m not sure why you would think I would need to bullshit you or the forum? I’ve been on this forum for 10+ years.

Those that know me on this forum will vouch I don’t make up stories. Bullshitter I am not.

This forum has a lot of this going on: If an inmate can’t see it in front of him, it doesn’t exist.

 

[rivrrts429]

This forum has a lot of this going on: If an inmate can’t see it in front of him, it doesn’t exist.

That’s a bad direction for a forum, almost FaceBook like.

 

[RiverDave]

Are you assuming I didn’t? What motivation would someone like myself have to want to make up some crazy bullshit for the sake of the forum? That’s the type of shit people do on Facebook for attention. I’d like to believe this platform, for the most part, doesn’t operate in that way.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. It doesn’t matter to me if the Speed car is a success or not. I was leery until I saw the car in person.

I have pics on my phone of the car but was asked not to share publicly as the owner doesn’t need or want the attention.

I’m not sure why you would think I would need to bullshit you or the forum? I’ve been on this forum for 10+ years.

Those that know me on this forum will vouch I don’t make up stories. Bullshitter I am not.

Don’t make me tell you again to stop making shit up rvrrarts...

In all seriousness I’m not sure he was saying it, how you read it.. in short I don’t think he was calling you a liar. I think he was arguing with LOF..

 

[riverroyal]

I have not seen it and im very excited for the future of SxS industries in general.
No bullshit.
If this speed unicorn can take away havasu wash chop by 10% its a great thing

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Don’t make me tell you again to stop making shit up rvrrarts...

In all seriousness I’m not sure he was saying it, how you read it.. in short I don’t think he was calling you a liar. I think he was arguing with LOF..

He was calling him a liar. I was trying to give the guy an out.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I have not seen it and im very excited for the future of SxS industries in general.
No bullshit.
If this speed unicorn can take away havasu wash chop by 10% its a great thing

Go faster there is your 10% the new speed car will not take that chop away either.