4 Door Sedan, What Would You Buy and Why?

[Sleek-Jet]

Let's not forget GM's original mid engine hot rod before the new Corvette......

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I owned a 2m4. Great little car if underpowered. GM should have put the Quad4 in the chassis from the get-go.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Half ton? Who in the hell would drive one of those?? Men are talking about real trucks here. Not toys.

The rest of you boneheads are funny. Anyone besides me worked at a dealership lately?

No? Just a bunch of Hotrod Magazine reading keyboard warriors? That don't have a clue what a callus is?

Oh I know...

You guys all have an Awesome set of tools though, right?

Don't hurt yourselves typing ya all!

That went from 0-60 real quick. I'm proud of my desk job that provides me the income and the freedom to be able to work on stuff as a hobby.

 

[Taboma]

That went from 0-60 real quick. I'm proud of my desk job that provides me the income and the freedom to be able to work on stuff as a hobby.

Don't take it personal, my BIL is a cranky old mechanic as well and he still works at a dealership, a people person he's not. Plus, he's pissed off at the world because closing in on 60 he's still painfully turning wrenches.
I tend to think it's just an old mechanic thing.

 

[rivermobster]

That went from 0-60 real quick. I'm proud of my desk job that provides me the income and the freedom to be able to work on stuff as a hobby.

As you should be! Nothing wrong with that at all.

Personally, I have no problem taking advice from people, that post about what the do for a living. Real world experience is always the best.

Ash knows he's the first person I'm gonna call when it comes to internet connection issues.

Jerry knows he's the first person I'm gonna call when Kid Rock is in town!

CT is the insurance man. He's been at it a very long time.

But when these three boneheads try and tell me how cars work??

All I can do is laugh.

 

[SoCalDave]

My 10 year old technology daily driver...

GM 6.2 Liter V8 Supercharged LSA Engine
The 6.2-liter V8 Supercharged LSA is an engine that was produced by General Motors for use in high-performance vehicles. The LSA is part of GM’s fourth-generation V8 Small Block engine family, though unlike its LS9 counterpart, it is not assembled by hand, and was instead made at GM’s Silao facilities in Mexico. The engine was used in the second-generation Cadillac CTS-V range as well as the fifth-generation Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, and is still offered as over-the-counter as a crate engine from Chevrolet Performance.
6.2L LSA Engine Vitals

Displacement:	6.2L / 376 cu. in.
Aspiration:	Supercharged
Vehicles:	Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, Cadillac CTS-V
Introduced:	2009 model year
Discontinued:	2015
Predecessor:	LS3 / Gen IV Small Block
Successor:	LT4 / Gen V Small Block
Assembly:	St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada

Overview
More than sheer performance, the LSA balances great power with exceptional refinement. Everything from the pistons to the aesthetic engine cover was carefully selected and tuned to deliver quiet performance. An advanced, sixth-generation Eaton supercharger with high-twist four-lobe rotors is a large contributor to the engine’s quiet high performance. It enables a broad power band with almost imperceptible operation.
GM engineers created 370 different power simulations to optimize the LSA. It has been validated beyond 100,000 miles and has accumulated more than 6,400 hours of dynamometer testing. During testing, it was run more than 270 consecutive hours at wide-open throttle without a failure, and it completed actual and simulated 24-hour track tests.
Engine highlights:

• Enhanced Cylinder Block: the 6.2L engine block used with the LSA is cast from 319-T7 aluminum and fitted with cast-iron cylinder liners. Compared to previous blocks, it has been strengthened 20 percent by optimizing the size of the bulkhead “windows” to take advantage of material thickness in the bulkhead. The enlarged bulkhead windows also improve bay-to-bay breathing by managing airflow inside the engine more efficiently, thereby decreasing pumping loss, or reducing resistance to the pistons’ downward movement.
  The engine block was developed with the latest math-based tools and data acquired in GM’s racing programs, and it provides an exceptionally light, rigid foundation for an impressively smooth cam-in-block engine. Its deep-skirt design helps maximize strength and minimize vibration, and its aluminum construction reduces weight approximately 100 pounds compared to a conventional cast-iron cylinder block.
• Deck Plate Honing: a precision machining process reserved for high-performance engines, is used on the LSA cylinder block to maximize engine life, reduce friction between engine parts and increase horsepower. It is advantageous in applications where cylinder head pressures are greater than average – such as with a supercharged engine – to ensure cylinder sealing and prevent scuffing of the piston against the bore wall. In the LSA engine, this means improved bore life and ring sealing. True bores and better sealing are keys to optimizing power.
• Pistons with Oil-Spray Cooling: The LSA’s pistons are aluminum-cast from a high-silicon alloy developed for its combination of strength and heat-management properties. Casting reduces noise-generating potential, compared to other high-performance piston materials, such as forged aluminum, and is specified when noise and vibration control is a priority. The hypereutectic pistons are also lighter than conventional steel, which translates to less reciprocating mass inside the engine. Less mass means greater efficiency, high-rpm capability and a feeling of immediate response as the engine builds rpm.
• Lightweight Rotating Assembly: within the LSA’s cylinder block spins a balanced, dropped-forged steel crankshaft with an eight-bolt flange to mount the flywheel. The eight-bolt pattern increases clamping strength compared to naturally aspirated 6.2L V-8s, which use a six-bolt crank flange. Forged powder-metal connecting rods link the crankshaft and pistons. They are forged under extreme pressure from alloy metals reduced to powder, rather the melted to liquid, for a balance of low mass and high strength. They reduce pressure on both the rod-end bearings and main bearings, compared to conventional rods, and allow the bearings to be optimally sized for the least amount of friction.
• Refined Low-Lift/Low-Overlap Camshaft: a refined camshaft helps balance the 6.2L LSA’s high output with smooth, tractable low-rpm performance. The torque-enhancing benefits of the supercharger allowed engineers to develop a “softer,” lower-lift camshaft for the LSA, compared to the typical high-rev, high-power exotic car engine. The result is smoother operation at idle and during low-speed driving.
• High-Flow Rotocast Cylinder Heads: the LSA cylinder heads are manufactured with a unique rotocast method, which rotates the head mold as the molten alloy cools and essentially eliminates porosity, or microscopic pockets of air trapped in the casting. Rotocasting delivers a stronger part that helps maintain performance and structural integrity over the life of the engine.
• Dual-Pressure/Center-Feed Fuel System: to ensure appropriate fueling in all conditions, the LSA features a dual-pressure fuel system. It delivers about 36 psi (250 kPa) at idle and low speeds. Yet the electronic throttle management system can immediately increase fuel pressure to 87 psi (600 kPa) for sustained high-speed operation or wide-open throttle. The dual-pressure system reacts according to throttle application, and presents several advantages. It limits the energy used by the fuel pump at low speeds, for maximum efficiency, and it reduces operational noise.
  The LSA also employs a center-feed fuel rail that delivers gasoline to the center of the injector rail and each bank. This helps reduce fuel pressure variation among the injectors, as well as noise.
• Direct-Mount Ignition Coils: the LSA’s coil-on-plug ignition features advanced coils that are smaller and lighter than those used on previous V-8s. An individual coil for each spark plug delivers maximum voltage and consistent spark density, with no variation between cylinders.
• Supercharger with Four-Lobe Rotors: state-of-the-art supercharging technology is the foundation of the LSA’s remarkable performance. The supercharger is an air pump driven by the engine’s crankshaft. It forces more air into the engine’s combustion chambers than the engine could otherwise draw on its own. The increased volume of oxygen allows the engine to efficiently process more fuel, and thus generate more power.
• Dual Brick Air-to-Liquid Intercooler: an advanced intercooling system increases the 6.2L LSA’s performance and extends its supercharger’s benefits. The engine’s charge cooler is integrated in the supercharger case just above the rotors, with two air-to-liquid cooling “bricks” that substantially lower the temperature of air used in the combustion process. Intercoolers are familiar features on supercharged and turbocharged engines. Similar in concept to an engine’s radiator, intercoolers cool the air pumped by the charging device into the cylinders. Cooler air is denser air, which means more oxygen in a given volume, resulting in optimal combustion and more power. Traditionally, intercoolers look like small radiators mounted somewhere outside the engine, with air fed into the engine through a plumbing network.
• Upgraded Oiling System: to ensure peak, low-friction efficiency, and to promote durability during extended high-rpm operation, the LSA has a more powerful oil pump than the naturally aspirated 6.2L LS3. The oil pump capacity is increased to 33.8 gallons per minute and the LSA’s six-quart oil pan is fitted with a liquid-to-air oil cooler.
• Cast-Iron Exhaust Manifolds with Close-Coupled Catalysts: the 6.2L LSA exhaust manifolds are fabricated from a premium high-silicon, high-moly iron alloy. The material delivers excellent heat management properties, and the design ensures the high flow volume required of an engine with the LSA’s capability. Immediately downstream, the exhaust manifolds are fitted with a pair of close-coupled catalytic converters that heat quickly, achieving light-off temperature and closed-loop operations in seconds.
• 58X Ignition System: the LSA has an advanced 58X crankshaft position encoder to ensure that ignition timing is accurate throughout its operating range. The new 58X crankshaft ring and sensor provide more immediate, accurate information on the crankshaft’s position during rotation. This allows the engine control module to adjust ignition timing with greater precision, which optimizes performance and economy. Engine starting is also more consistent in all operating conditions.

 

[pronstar]

I owned a 2m4. Great little car if underpowered. GM should have put the Quad4 in the chassis from the get-go.

It’s a shame that they killed it right after it became a decent car.

Pop trivia:
The original engine cradle was sourced from FWD Chevy Citation...the spun it around and mounted it backward.

The entire car was parts bin, but they started to get things right with the latest model.


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[warpt71]

@t&y I have done zero research on this, but from a styling standpoint, they catch my eye on the road all the time, but only in this color combo. Might be worth checking out.

If a used car is an option, my go to would be a '13-14 CTS-V, pearl white with black interior!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

It’s a shame that they killed it right after it became a decent car.

Pop trivia:
The original engine cradle was sourced from FWD Chevy Citation...the spun it around and mounted it backward.

The entire car was parts bin, but they started to get things right with the latest model.


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The hot thing when I owned mine was dropping a Northstar V8 in them. It bolted right up and fit. You wanted to make sure you had one of the good transmissions though.

The 350 V8 conversions were cool, but you had to hack up the back of the car to get it all in there.

 

[t&y]

@t&y I have done zero research on this, but from a styling standpoint, they catch my eye on the road all the time, but only in this color combo. Might be worth checking out.

If a used car is an option, my go to would be a '13-14 CTS-V, pearl white with black interior!

Yup, the white over black combo is definitely an eye catcher. I've seen some chargers set up similar that look great. Trying to keep it to a new vehicle because if it is anything like the rest, I'll be driving it for 10+ years with average 100K every 5 of those years even while switching vehicles weekly. I drive a bit... lol.

 

[pronstar]

The hot thing when I owned mine was dropping a Northstar V8 in them. It bolted right up and fit. You wanted to make sure you had one of the good transmissions though.

The 350 V8 conversions were cool, but you had to hack up the back of the car to get it all in there.

Owners brother posts on reddit. Says it has a Toronado transaxle in back...won some awards from GM engineers, apparently.

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[JUSTWANNARACE]

Kia Stinger 3.3L twin turbo

Or

Kia Optima turbo

 

[PlumLoco]

My experience with buying a 2018 Hyundai 2.0T from the proverbial little old lady, is that I got 95% of a Toyota or a Honda, for less than 50% of the duckets. Not quite as quiet inside, seats dont heat, a/c is not great. But 30+ mpg if I try, paddle shifting, room in the back for big people, and the best warranty going.

 

[GregG]

Go over to BAT Bring A Trailer and check out what is in your price range. Some really interesting stuff shows up there.

 

[BajaMike]

Sedans aren’t selling now, good deals on Certified BMW., Cad, Lexus.

 

[old rigger]

How about one of these, you can get one cheap at an auction

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your post reminded me of this Crown Vic. I'd love to have something like this.

Chevy powered of course.

1990 Ford Crown Victoria - Trophy LTD

What makes an off-road rig cool? Some might argue that big gnarly tires or huge lifts can do the trick. Others might tell you that a well thought out build is t

www.fourwheeler.com

 

[spectra3279]

I would buy another 1997 mercedes s500. Absolutely love mine

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[warpt71]

Yup, the white over black combo is definitely an eye catcher. I've seen some chargers set up similar that look great. Trying to keep it to a new vehicle because if it is anything like the rest, I'll be driving it for 10+ years with average 100K every 5 of those years even while switching vehicles weekly. I drive a bit... lol.

Buy the Camry and report back

 

[t&y]

Buy the Camry and report back

Done deal. Bought a Camry SE Hybrid. Has all the bells and whistles, combo leather cloth seats, and is "rated" at 46 mpg. I will say I spent more than I thought I would on a NON ground pounding (can barely tell its on standing next to it), panty dropping, mid life crisis havin modern sports car... but given my track record I'll be driving this thing for the next 10+ years.

 

[TPC]

I’ll confess we liked driving the wife’s Mazda 6 to Vegas more than driving the Z06.

With over 260.000 trouble free miles on the Mazda wife has already said get her another one when it taps out.

I love driving it.
It’ll eventually be dealt out to an RDP member who posts a “my daughter needs a first practice car” thread.
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[LargeOrangeFont]

I’ll confess we liked driving the wife’s Mazda 6 to Vegas more than driving the Z06.
With over 260.000 trouble free miles on the Mazda wife has already said get her another one when it taps out.
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Those Mazda 6s are nice. All Mazda are pretty nice to drive. Toyotas generally feel pretty numb, like driving a kitchen appliance. Hondas are a step better, Mazdas border on enjoyable and fun to drive.

 

[ChumpChange]

Nice job on the Camry. I was between it and the Charger back in the day but for the amount of time that I have passengers in my car, I went with the smaller.

I know then German cars are nice but I’ll leave my high octane gas for the sports cars.

 

[TPC]

My experience with buying a 2018 Hyundai 2.0T from the proverbial little old lady, is that I got 95% of a Toyota or a Honda, for less than 50% of the duckets. Not quite as quiet inside, seats dont heat, a/c is not great. But 30+ mpg if I try, paddle shifting, room in the back for big people, and the best warranty going.

At the gas pump we ask people with them how they like them and it’s always positive, usually they have high mileage. 250k+.

A German guy said “ the motors aren’t made of chocolate anymore.”

 

[Gelcoater]

Owners brother posts on reddit. Says it has a Toronado transaxle in back...won some awards from GM engineers, apparently.

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For some fun reading folks should do a search for Smokey Yunick hot vapor Fiero.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

Just drive the mini van you already have.

 

[nameisbond]

I would buy another 1997 mercedes s500. Absolutely love mine

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I miss mine. Shouldn't have sold it!

My brother just bought a 1993 Lincoln Town Car. One owner, 100k miles. It was an old lady, estate sale. Great condition for $1,800 CDN. That's $1,400 in American.

 

[beerrun]

This

 

[t&y]

I’ll confess we liked driving the wife’s Mazda 6 to Vegas more than driving the Z06.

With over 260.000 trouble free miles on the Mazda wife has already said get her another one when it taps out.

I love driving it.
It’ll eventually be dealt out to an RDP member who posts a “my daughter needs a first practice car” thread.
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Looked at the Mazda6. Good looking car, but he wife didn't like the entry. I'm not a big guy, but even I thought it felt a bit tight getting in. Everything else on the car was great, just the entry.

 

[FreeBird236]

Looked at the Mazda6. Good looking car, but he wife didn't like the entry. I'm not a big guy, but even I thought it felt a bit tight getting in. Everything else on the car was great, just the entry.

The Mazda is a great car, but if by chance you decide you need a change in a couple years, resale will be much better on the Camry. We've been leasing Camry's, and Accord's since 94 and all have been great. Currently in a 2020 XLE and couldn't be happier, even non hybrid were get 38 on the HWY @ 80+-.

 

[sintax]

I wish GM didn’t kill off the Holden brand. I would have been primed to get one of their new LS9 powered SS badged chevy’s