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1964 Chevy pickup. 1 owner (my dad), I'm going to start some upgrades soon. Where to start?

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LS really means "Lost Souls"?

Twin negatives make a positive, right?

If the car has no soul anymore, and the engine I put in has no soul, it’s got soul.

Hop in, fuck around and find out. You will feel the soul going sideways at about 90 😁

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Doesn’t look like a drift car?
Its not... but it will drift. There is no power steering, ABS, traction control, or stability control aside from your hands and feet. It will wake you up if you come out a little hot.
 

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Twin negatives make a positive, right?

If the car has no soul anymore, and the engine I put in has no soul, it’s got soul.

Hop in, fuck around and find out. You will feel the soul going sideways at about 90 😁

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There aren't many sports cars that sound better with an LS....but you found one🤣

I had an 86, bridgeported and carbed...my jet boat used less fuel, and LEO from three counties could here me coming. This was in the days previous to LS motors...the good 'ol days😉

I grew up in a time where guys built motors in their garages. Guys ported intakes and smoothed castings. Now days, people put down a card, buy the best parts. Fewer can hang rods, press in pins or cam bearings. Tipping valves? 🤨
The soul of engines were guys like Smokey Yunick and Grumpy Jenkins...stepping back further, Don Blair and even Wally Parks. A tuner that looks more like Snowden than a mechanic, more software than tools, will never have the same soul😔
 

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There aren't many sports cars that sound better with an LS....but you found one🤣

I had an 86, bridgeported and carbed...my jet boat used less fuel, and LEO from three counties could here me coming. This was in the days previous to LS motors...the good 'ol days😉

I grew up in a time where guys built motors in their garages. Guys ported intakes and smoothed castings. Now days, people put down a card, buy the best parts. Fewer can hang rods, press in pins or cam bearings. Tipping valves? 🤨
The soul of engines were guys like Smokey Yunick and Grumpy Jenkins...stepping back further, Don Blair and even Wally Parks. A tuner that looks more like Snowden than a mechanic, more software than tools, will never have the same soul😔

This car was streetported and still had the fuel injection when I got it. I had the computer chipped and could modify the fueling and timing with a palm pilot LOL.

Tuning is still tuning, regardless if it is on a laptop or with a tacklebox full of jets, squiters, springs and diaphrams. The soul still exists, it is just in different areas.
 

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Then you get the best of everything - You get to keep the low power of the old SBC, the leaking 2-piece rear main, the seeping pan gasket, the leaking rear intake valley gasket, and you also get to keep the non-overdrive trans.

58mph on the freeway and she purrs like a kitten!

Oil smoke is super vintage, like patina for your nose. Just play some reverand horton heat and upgrade your AAA to gold membership.
Then you can pull all the chicks that look like rosie the riveter at the rockabilly reunion. She'll hear wedding bells as she gets to pose like a bubble gum popping hitchhiker , standing roadside in a puddle of genuine green coolant after the show.

Then you don't have to look at that those stupid 15 degree aluminum heads, strain to hear that boring quiet roller valvetrain, or miss opportunities to fuel up and check your oil. They say to know where you're going, you have to know where you've been - and that's easy - just line up with the spots on your concrete driveway. It's all one big period correct win.

Or you can learn how to build an old school engine right and pull chicks like this. It all makes sense now. ;)

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As for the OP's question, I'm more a fan of doing what you want with the truck vs satisfying the internet peanut gallery. And the first B boat deck was called a long deck, 2nd was the ski deck followed by the race deck in 75. Great history regardless! :cool:
 

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This car was streetported and still had the fuel injection when I got it. I had the computer chipped and could modify the fueling and timing with a palm pilot LOL.

Tuning is still tuning, regardless if it is on a laptop or with a tacklebox full of jets, squiters, springs and diaphrams. The soul still exists, it is just in different areas.
I agree to an extent...a chip and tuning with a palm pilot is a far cry from fitting ceramic apex seals on the bench, sealing the steels and assembling the lot. Gapping rings and fitting forged pistons as well. I've watched a few key strokes change the output on the dyno. It's impressive, yes, but without the guys who've figured out cam profiles, port velocities and piston design...there would be nothing to "tune". Now days, a lot of home tuners copy other's tunes, and use those as baselines. They tweak and modify from there, but it seems much more rare to find a guy that starts from a zero point, and builds from there. This is also more pronounced when you get into the VVT engines. Rightfully so, one wrong move and major damage ensues. One of the best MoTec guys I know did some BMW or Benz...the range of motion allowed by the actuators was massive. When I asked how he started a baseline, he responded "lots of pencil and paper before even thinking about running."
 

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Or you can learn how to build an old school engine right and pull chicks like this. It all makes sense now. ;)

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As for the OP's question, I'm more a fan of doing what you want with the truck vs satisfying the internet peanut gallery. And the first B boat deck was called a long deck, 2nd was the ski deck followed by the race deck in 75. Great history regardless! :cool:

I knew i was using the right chum......you swam right up!
 

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Somewhere along the road, probably during an LS swap, you lost your soul.
:p

Im just a performance guy. I really don't care much for car shows. I'll attend to BS with people and hang, but I like racing. And, I like driving my stuff everywhere, without issue, with overdrive, and MPG, without concessions.

If it makes power, and has other benefits, that's the way i'm gonna go 99% of the time. Especially when its cheaper
I agree - LS are ugly. They don't fit the motif under the hood of stock resto cars.

As far as soul.....I just did a 7000 RPM burnout, thru 3 gears, and melted off my old 275/60's before hitting the tire shop.....seemed like it had plenty of soul to me!


And I also agree with some extent to @Sharp Shooter - but my "line in the sand" for a LS car is NA 600 HP. I wouldn't mess with a big block below this level, unless I need to make well North of that figure. - or I needed to make the numbers at a LOWER RPM (displacement). Once you get into LS (or small block for that matter) stroker motors.....building them beyond 430" makes no sense - it's time to just go BBC. Why would you spend big $$$ building a 450" LS when a 454 is....well.....already a 454
 

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Im just a performance guy. I really don't care much for car shows. I'll attend to BS with people and hang, but I like racing. And, I like driving my stuff everywhere, without issue, with overdrive, and MPG, without concessions.

If it makes power, and has other benefits, that's the way i'm gonna go 99% of the time. Especially when its cheaper
I agree - LS are ugly. They don't fit the motif under the hood of stock resto cars.

As far as soul.....I just did a 7000 RPM burnout, thru 3 gears, and melted off my old 275/60's before hitting the tire shop.....seemed like it had plenty of soul to me!


And I also agree with some extent to @Sharp Shooter - but my "line in the sand" for a LS car is NA 600 HP. I wouldn't mess with a big block below this level, unless I need to make well North of that figure. - or I needed to make the numbers at a LOWER RPM (displacement). Once you get into LS (or small block for that matter) stroker motors.....building them beyond 430" makes no sense - it's time to just go BBC. Why would you spend big $$$ building a 450" LS when a 454 is....well.....already a 454

Agreed unless you care about weight.. a 427 LS is what, 200+ lbs off the front of the car than even a aluminum headed BBC.
 
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