12yo Student Death

[Badchoices03]

This happened at my sons school yesterday, was a school friend of his, happened in his PE class.

I can’t imagine the pain and anger going on right now with his parents.

Lake Elsinore USD Student Dies After On-Campus Medical Emergency

Lake Elsinore USD Student Dies After On-Campus... - Lake Elsinore-Wildomar, CA - Families of Canyon Lake Middle School students received notification from principal Gil Rodriquez informing them of Tuesdays death.

patch.com

 

[Ace in the Hole]

No words. Thoughts are with the family.

 

[grumpy88]

Very very sad . No time to speculate on the cause . Rip little one

 

[Joe mama]

Very sad, can’t even imagine. Rip young one

 

[Done-it-again]

Very sad. Rip little guy!

 

[rivermobster]

Oh man. That poor family!

 

[JFMFG]

This shit makes me sick. I couldn’t imagine losing one of my children. May he rest in peace and the family eventually find peace.

 

[Neverbowdown]

God rest his Soul, prayers for the parents, unimaginable pain

 

[Singleton]

RIP.

I just found out my daughter’s PE teacher told all kids who forgot water bottles in the locker room, they had to wait until after the 20 minutes of lap running was over until they could get water. Kids that remembered water, were allowed water breaks. It was 85 in Carlsbad the last 2 days. Guess I am heading to the office tomorrow!

 

[Badchoices03]

RIP.

I just found out my daughter’s PE teacher told all kids who forgot water bottles in the locker room had to wait until after the 20 minutes of lap running was over until they could get water. Kids that remembered water, were allowed water breaks. It was 85 in Carlsbad the last 2 days. Guess I am heading to the office tomorrow!

I won’t say what my son and a few other kids are saying, but if true, the school district and PE teacher are gonna be in some serious sh*t

 

[whiteworks]

RIP.

I just found out my daughter’s PE teacher told all kids who forgot water bottles in the locker room, they had to wait until after the 20 minutes of lap running was over until they could get water. Kids that remembered water, were allowed water breaks. It was 85 in Carlsbad the last 2 days. Guess I am heading to the office tomorrow!

There is zero need to be a dick bag PE teacher or coach, ever.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Whatever the case, whatever the cause, no one feels worse than the family. I can't imagine...more afraid to imagine...the loss of my kids.

Rest in peace young man

@Badchoices03 , I hope your son and his circle of friends are coping as best possible. It's hard as an adult, even after losing multiple friends and family. It's a new pain for them. Too young to have to learn it.

 

[angiebaby]

There is zero need to be a dick bag PE teacher or coach, ever.

My guess is that there is an issue with kids "forgetting" their water and having to go back to the locker room to get it, taking their time doing it because they don't want to run, and showing back up with 5 minutes left of the running activity. What does everyone think would be a good solution? My first thought was to make the kids that forgot the water bottles fulfill the whole 20 minutes, but who keeps track of the kids as they trickle back in 2-3 at a time? PE classes are usually 50-60 kids in each class. Then what do they miss of the lesson or planned activity when they are finishing their run? Playing volleyball? You have some kids that are 10-15 minutes behind the rest of them. How do you make teams and incorporate the kids showing up late to the activity?

Not saying the teacher did the right thing; just saying I'm not sure what the answer is. Have the school provide water bottles on the field?

This is one of the arguments I have against beginning school the first week of August. It's just too frikken' hot in SoCal/AZ.

 

[Badchoices03]

So here is a news story that is saying what I have heard...short story what they are saying is...PE was indoors because of the heat, apparently the kid did not bring his PE clothes to school, so as punishment the PE teacher made the kid do sprints outside in his regular clothes, kid complained that he had not water and was feeling sick, PE teacher did nothing...other kids gave him some water...he threw up and collapsed, and that is when 911 was called...SMH

Lake Elsinore middle schooler made to run in sweltering heat before death, family says

Family members say a teacher ignored a 12-year-old boy’s pleas for help before he died after being forced to run during sweltering heat at Canyon Lake Middle School.

www.nbclosangeles.com

 

[Lucky Larry]

OMG ~ that is beyond horrible. Our schools are filled with so many inept teachers who are never fired. F that moronic teacher ~ it was hot and humid.

Prayers for the family on the loss of their beautiful child.

“Mrs.”

 

[Badchoices03]

Whatever the case, whatever the cause, no one feels worse than the family. I can't imagine...more afraid to imagine...the loss of my kids.

Rest in peace young man

@Badchoices03 , I hope your son and his circle of friends are coping as best possible. It's hard as an adult, even after losing multiple friends and family. It's a new pain for them. Too young to have to learn it.

Thank you, my son is coping ok, it wasn't one of his best friends, but it was definitely a kid in his group that hung out at school.

 

[attitude]

Just horrible, may that little man Rest In Peace.

I pray for his family and his friends who had to witness this at such an impressionable time in their lives are able to find peace.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Having worked at schools, and being married to someone that taught, there's a part of me that knows this was "a good kid". Working on campuses, little kids were all the same, curious, and mostly respectful. Middle school kids were a mixed bag, trying to find themselves, and if they were going to be problems or solutions. By high school, the major problems just didn't show up.

What I mean by him being a "good kid", he was doing the punishment. Doing what was asked. "Bad" kids will throw fits, argue, and either do nothing, or be sent to the principal. This poor young man was doing the punishment asked of him.

In reality, we may be trusting our children to people we wouldn't trust to care for a goldfish. It's really quite frightening.

 

[rivermobster]

Having worked at schools, and being married to someone that taught, there's a part of me that knows this was "a good kid". Working on campuses, little kids were all the same, curious, and mostly respectful. Middle school kids were a mixed bag, trying to find themselves, and if they were going to be problems or solutions. By high school, the major problems just didn't show up.

What I mean by him being a "good kid", he was doing the punishment. Doing what was asked. "Bad" kids will throw fits, argue, and either do nothing, or be sent to the principal. This poor young man was doing the punishment asked of him.

In reality, we may be trusting our children to people we wouldn't trust to care for a goldfish. It's really quite frightening.

This is Exactly the truth...

Fucking teachers these days keeping secrets from the kids parents.

The whole system is beyond broken.

I can't even fathom the pain this family is dealing with. Not sure how I'd handle it, but I know it wouldn't be pretty...

 

[SBMech]

That fucking teacher needs to be drawn and quartered on National TV.

There is no reason to bully a student like that, no reason for a teacher to behave like that.

They are not fucking wardens of a prison, they are supposed to be guiding youngsters on a path to gain some education and experience.

 

[monkeyswrench]

That fucking teacher needs to be drawn and quartered on National TV.

There is no reason to bully a student like that, no reason for a teacher to behave like that.

They are not fucking wardens of a prison, they are supposed to be guiding youngsters on a path to gain some education and experience.

My wife, recently "ex-teacher":
"Why would a teacher take it so personally? Why punish like that? They don't know what the kid is going through either. That's just wrong."

 

[Lucky Larry]

I sent this to a friend in Connecticut who is a PE teacher. This broke her heart.

Along with the obvious she made a good point. Never use exercise as a punishment as you teach kids to hate exercise.

This poor family, and the kids who witnessed it. No wonder there’s a lack of respect for teachers. There’s also a shortage of teachers and it doesn’t take much for them to put a body in a classroom these days.

Pay close attention to what’s going on in your kid’s schools.

“Mrs.”

 

[Outdrive1]

I would have a hard time not killing that teacher if that was my kid or a family member. What a pos

 

[HBCraig]

Holy cow. RIP little man

I've coached many teams in baseball and softball. When we would condition the kids we were very dillegent on keeping an eye on how they were doing. If some weren't feeling well they weren't doing anything but sitting in the shade, but they certainly weren't running.

 

[Cole Trickle]

My guess is that there is an issue with kids "forgetting" their water and having to go back to the locker room to get it, taking their time doing it because they don't want to run, and showing back up with 5 minutes left of the running activity. What does everyone think would be a good solution? My first thought was to make the kids that forgot the water bottles fulfill the whole 20 minutes, but who keeps track of the kids as they trickle back in 2-3 at a time? PE classes are usually 50-60 kids in each class. Then what do they miss of the lesson or planned activity when they are finishing their run? Playing volleyball? You have some kids that are 10-15 minutes behind the rest of them. How do you make teams and incorporate the kids showing up late to the activity?

Not saying the teacher did the right thing; just saying I'm not sure what the answer is. Have the school provide water bottles on the field?

This is one of the arguments I have against beginning school the first week of August. It's just too frikken' hot in SoCal/AZ.

Water bottles for costal 85 degree heat....haha

 

[Dirtbag]

ok ok ok im gonna play the bad guy...... first and foremost I am so sorry for the kids family. May the lil man rip. I do not want to belittle the situation in any way shape or form but I do want to ask a few questions of all of you.

I am 48 years old my dad was pretty tough on me. My teachers held me accountable. I learned so many life lessons through school. Like you are supposed to. When i went to school we didnt have water breaks. We didnt stay indoors if it was hot out. We didnt carry water bottles with us. when we were done with whatever activity we ran to the water fountain and drank.

Todays society is completely different. Why? Most of you on here are conservative in nature and have morals and want lessons taught. This young man didnt follow the rules. What would have happened if you didnt follow the rules? Maybe the teacher had a poor choice in judgement...maybe 1000 situps coulda been better. But he was trying to correct a kid and teach him its not ok to not show up to work in the required dresscode. Without question the teacher chose a poor corrective action. Hindsight is always 20/20

If you saw what I see everyday in HS you would be appalled at the way kids act, treat adults, and generally have 0 respect. Yes there are great kids and good kids and normal kids but there is way too many kids who are bigtime problems. We need a giant overhaul of the system but it wont happen. We are now being taught to go easy on everyone let them be who they are regardless of the consequences. Me personally, I want my child to be a good human first and educated second.

again I am so sorry for the family and all this young mans fiends who had to see and now feel what happened. And yea its been hot as hell this last week. TBH the school district should have canceled all PE and Sports classes if they are afraid of things like this happening. They have done that in the past why didnt they do that on this horrible day??

 

[monkeyswrench]

ok ok ok im gonna play the bad guy...... first and foremost I am so sorry for the kids family. May the lil man rip. I do not want to belittle the situation in any way shape or form but I do want to ask a few questions of all of you.

I am 48 years old my dad was pretty tough on me. My teachers held me accountable. I learned so many life lessons through school. Like you are supposed to. When i went to school we didnt have water breaks. We didnt stay indoors if it was hot out. We didnt carry water bottles with us. when we were done with whatever activity we ran to the water fountain and drank.

Todays society is completely different. Why? Most of you on here are conservative in nature and have morals and want lessons taught. This young man didnt follow the rules. What would have happened if you didnt follow the rules? Maybe the teacher had a poor choice in judgement...maybe 1000 situps coulda been better. But he was trying to correct a kid and teach him its not ok to not show up to work in the required dresscode. Without question the teacher chose a poor corrective action. Hindsight is always 20/20

If you saw what I see everyday in HS you would be appalled at the way kids act, treat adults, and generally have 0 respect. Yes there are great kids and good kids and normal kids but there is way too many kids who are bigtime problems. We need a giant overhaul of the system but it wont happen. We are now being taught to go easy on everyone let them be who they are regardless of the consequences. Me personally, I want my child to be a good human first and educated second.

again I am so sorry for the family and all this young mans fiends who had to see and now feel what happened. And yea its been hot as hell this last week. TBH the school district should have canceled all PE and Sports classes if they are afraid of things like this happening. They have done that in the past why didnt they do that on this horrible day??

I grew up doing roofing on weekends and summers. 110 degree heat, and manual labor were just "summertime". In school, I did sports, and punishment for wrong doings were often physical. So, I can see stuff like this happening, punishment wise. It's relatively normal to me. I'm also not normal by most metrics.

That said, my coaches or father were not going to let me go too far. They kept an eye on me. If it was to prod me, or to guide me, they apparently thought it best to not collapse.

I don't really see a problem with the punishment. I see a problem with someone entrusted by parents, and also trusted by students, not paying close attention to things they should be knowledgeable of.

 

[angiebaby]

So here is a news story that is saying what I have heard...short story what they are saying is...PE was indoors because of the heat, apparently the kid did not bring his PE clothes to school, so as punishment the PE teacher made the kid do sprints outside in his regular clothes, kid complained that he had not water and was feeling sick, PE teacher did nothing...other kids gave him some water...he threw up and collapsed, and that is when 911 was called...SMH

Lake Elsinore middle schooler made to run in sweltering heat before death, family says

Family members say a teacher ignored a 12-year-old boy’s pleas for help before he died after being forced to run during sweltering heat at Canyon Lake Middle School.

www.nbclosangeles.com

OMG. The kid was 12. Having taught middle school for 15 years, this absolutely breaks my heart. Most middle-schoolers don't know what the heck is going on moment to moment. Frontal lobe deficiencies and all. Yes. There should be consequences for not being prepared for class. Sprints outside on a hot and humid day? No. Kid asking for water and feeling sick (signs of heatstroke dipshit PE teacher, you KNOW this! ) Just tragic.

Water bottles for costal 85 degree heat....haha

Well, I wasn't going to go there, but yes, I was thinking it. It's the beach in CA. The weather is always wonderful.

ok ok ok im gonna play the bad guy...... first and foremost I am so sorry for the kids family. May the lil man rip. I do not want to belittle the situation in any way shape or form but I do want to ask a few questions of all of you.

I am 48 years old my dad was pretty tough on me. My teachers held me accountable. I learned so many life lessons through school. Like you are supposed to. When i went to school we didnt have water breaks. We didnt stay indoors if it was hot out. We didnt carry water bottles with us. when we were done with whatever activity we ran to the water fountain and drank.

Todays society is completely different. Why? Most of you on here are conservative in nature and have morals and want lessons taught. This young man didnt follow the rules. What would have happened if you didnt follow the rules? Maybe the teacher had a poor choice in judgement...maybe 1000 situps coulda been better. But he was trying to correct a kid and teach him its not ok to not show up to work in the required dresscode. Without question the teacher chose a poor corrective action. Hindsight is always 20/20

If you saw what I see everyday in HS you would be appalled at the way kids act, treat adults, and generally have 0 respect. Yes there are great kids and good kids and normal kids but there is way too many kids who are bigtime problems. We need a giant overhaul of the system but it wont happen. We are now being taught to go easy on everyone let them be who they are regardless of the consequences. Me personally, I want my child to be a good human first and educated second.

again I am so sorry for the family and all this young mans fiends who had to see and now feel what happened. And yea its been hot as hell this last week. TBH the school district should have canceled all PE and Sports classes if they are afraid of things like this happening. They have done that in the past why didnt they do that on this horrible day??

You bring up some good points.

I'm a little older than you. When I was in school and chose not to dress out, we had to sit on the bench, not participate, and it affected our grade. We didn't carry water bottles, but drinking fountains were all over. The schools I have worked at as an adult do not have those outside at all. Also, in SoCal, when I was in high school, we got to have a half day if the weather got over 100°. That was because we didn't have A/C in the buildings. When it was hot (or cold), we did indoor activities during PE.

I agree that a consequence needed to occur, but it seems to me like the teacher took it a bit personal for some reason, or felt the need to set an example. Maybe the kid's mom didn't do laundry over the weekend. Maybe he had to switch from mom's house to dad's house and left his PE clothes behind. Maybe he's living in a hotel. Maybe he was just being a dipshit 12-year-old that did need a considerable lesson because it had happened a few times before (if so, did the teacher call home to find out what's up?).

You are right, though. Many kids have zero respect for adults (or peers). It's disturbing. I like to blame it the absence of corporal punishment. I recall kids going to the principal's office for a paddle and coming back red faced and wet-eyed. The behavior didn't happen often because they knew what the consequences were. Now they get a talking to. MAYBE on campus detention. At home detentions are few and far between because the data they use to rank your school is based on suspensions. I've seen kids cuss a teacher out and be right back in the classroom before the end of the day. I was never cussed out, weirdly, but my colleagues were. I was called a bitch a few times, but my response was to laugh and tell the little angel that was not the first time I've been called that, and it won't be the last. Usually (not always) how a teacher responds to the offense makes all the difference. This PE teacher seems to have responded poorly to a kid who didn't follow the rules. I'm sure he will regret his decision for the rest of his life.

Think about your comment, "I want my child to be a good human first and educated second." While I do not disagree with you, think about what a liberal teacher considers a good human. Do you really want them to teach your child how to be a good human? I had a colleague, much younger than me, horrified that a student's parents were voting for the bad orange man, took it upon herself to teach the students a liberal mindset, covertly. She was going to make sure to educate them properly. Me being conservative, advised her against it, and responded that half of the country was voting for the orange guy. This child was not some weirdo in the minority fringe. She stated something like it was "our" job to teach them how to be good people. I told her that was the parents' job. Ours was to teach them our subject matter. She was a Science teacher, I taught Social Studies. My kids never knew how I was voting, though they always asked. I played the devil's advocate so much in an attempt to foster critical thinking, that I don't think many of them guessed. If they did, it was due to my lessons on the Bill of Rights. Our discussions on the 2nd and 4th Amendments may have been a giveaway to some of the brighter ones, LOL.

I do think it's partially teachers' responsibility to help children develop into considerate, compassionate, responsible people. I'm just not so sure I want teachers of today doing that.

 

[JL95]

We had one of these in middle school.

 

[Racey]

My guess is that there is an issue with kids "forgetting" their water and having to go back to the locker room to get it, taking their time doing it because they don't want to run, and showing back up with 5 minutes left of the running activity. What does everyone think would be a good solution? My first thought was to make the kids that forgot the water bottles fulfill the whole 20 minutes, but who keeps track of the kids as they trickle back in 2-3 at a time? PE classes are usually 50-60 kids in each class. Then what do they miss of the lesson or planned activity when they are finishing their run? Playing volleyball? You have some kids that are 10-15 minutes behind the rest of them. How do you make teams and incorporate the kids showing up late to the activity?

Not saying the teacher did the right thing; just saying I'm not sure what the answer is. Have the school provide water bottles on the field?

This is one of the arguments I have against beginning school the first week of August. It's just too frikken' hot in SoCal/AZ.

I grew up in Vegas, we never had water bottles in PE and it was hot as a mofo, well over 100F. We had water fountains that spewed hot ass water so we never used them anyway it seemed.

Just seems like there may have been something else going on here. Mid to low 90s and a normal class length is what? 45 minutes from what i can remember?

 

[EmpirE231]

man that's horrible, but there's got to be more going on there. A healthy 12YO would not just drop dead by running for what, a 40minute PE class? had he not had water for several days? kids are pretty damn resilient... just seems there has to be more to the story. I have a 14YO and 11YO in club soccer.... they run sprints in practice, sometimes for punishment sometimes for training...it's hot! they play games in the heat etc.... Just saying something else had to be going on here. RIP.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Water bottles for costal 85 degree heat....haha

Believe this happened in Canyon Lake CA. That's not a coastal region, Lake Elsinore USD.

 

[Racey]

Believe this happened in Canyon Lake CA. That's not a coastal region, Lake Elsinore USD.

Article said low to mid 90s at the time of the incident. So yeah definitely not coastal, but that's not exactly torture temperatures.

 

[Deckin Around]

I didn’t read all the comments but my kids have been on the “rainy day schedule” all week so they have recess, lunch and PE indoors because of the heat. Standard practice in Irvine.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Believe this happened in Canyon Lake CA. That's not a coastal region, Lake Elsinore USD.

I was responding to Singelton's post in just as i would consider 85 degrees perfect weather and about 25 degrees cooler than my kid regularly competes and plays soccer in .

I'm not condoning what happened the story is beyond sad and honestly i can't even wrap my head around the situation. I feel like this will be a 3 sides to a story deal. Either way there is a young man dead and a teacher that at a minimum will loose there job and ability to teach not counting being sued and possible criminal implications.

 

[angiebaby]

Believe this happened in Canyon Lake CA. That's not a coastal region, Lake Elsinore USD.

That was in response to Singleton's post describing an incident at his kid's school where some kids were denied water as a punishment.

 

[4Waters]

I grew up in Vegas, we never had water bottles in PE and it was hot as a mofo, well over 100F. We had water fountains that spewed hot ass water so we never used them anyway it seemed.

Just seems like there may have been something else going on here. Mid to low 90s and a normal class length is what? 45 minutes from what i can remember?

This is what I was thinking

 

[angiebaby]

I'm not condoning what happened the story is beyond sad and honestly i can't even wrap my head around the situation. I feel like this will be a 3 sides to a story deal. Either way there is a young man dead and a teacher that at a minimum will loose there job and ability to teach not counting being sued and possible criminal implications.

And having to live with the guilt that you probably contributed to it. I think even if it comes out that the kid had some kind of condition, or it was myocarditis from the vax, or whatever. . . tough thing to have to live with. No matter what, one child is dead, and the teacher's life will never be the same. Very tragic.

 

[Cole Trickle]

And having to live with the guilt that you probably contributed to it. I think even if it comes out that the kid had some kind of condition, or it was myocarditis from the vax, or whatever. . . tough thing to have to live with. No matter what, one child is dead, and the teacher's life will never be the same. Very tragic.

yep... several families lives were changed forever unfortunately.

Still more to the story as to why the teacher pushed so hard and singled out this kid imho. I don't care if the kid was enemy #1 and a complete PITA I just don't know any teachers that wouldn't have just sent him to the office as opposed to what we are reading. If the story is true its criminal and it wouldn't surprise me to see charges in the future.

Sad

 

[shintoooo]

Kids are not the problem, it's the parents. That's why after 22 years of teaching, my wife retired this year and is working with me at my office. I told her I don't want her to do that shit any more. She loved and gave her whole heart and soul to the kids. It was the parents that were the problem.

 

[JayBreww]

ok ok ok im gonna play the bad guy...... first and foremost I am so sorry for the kids family. May the lil man rip. I do not want to belittle the situation in any way shape or form but I do want to ask a few questions of all of you.

I am 48 years old my dad was pretty tough on me. My teachers held me accountable. I learned so many life lessons through school. Like you are supposed to. When i went to school we didnt have water breaks. We didnt stay indoors if it was hot out. We didnt carry water bottles with us. when we were done with whatever activity we ran to the water fountain and drank.

Todays society is completely different. Why? Most of you on here are conservative in nature and have morals and want lessons taught. This young man didnt follow the rules. What would have happened if you didnt follow the rules? Maybe the teacher had a poor choice in judgement...maybe 1000 situps coulda been better. But he was trying to correct a kid and teach him its not ok to not show up to work in the required dresscode. Without question the teacher chose a poor corrective action. Hindsight is always 20/20

If you saw what I see everyday in HS you would be appalled at the way kids act, treat adults, and generally have 0 respect. Yes there are great kids and good kids and normal kids but there is way too many kids who are bigtime problems. We need a giant overhaul of the system but it wont happen. We are now being taught to go easy on everyone let them be who they are regardless of the consequences. Me personally, I want my child to be a good human first and educated second.

again I am so sorry for the family and all this young mans fiends who had to see and now feel what happened. And yea its been hot as hell this last week. TBH the school district should have canceled all PE and Sports classes if they are afraid of things like this happening. They have done that in the past why didnt they do that on this horrible day??

PE was moved to indoors to account for the heat. PE coach decided to punish the kid and make him do his PE outside. Sounds like the coach should be held accountable for his actions. Case closed.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

I'm not a parent, but I played sports, in particular tennis, at a high level into college. It may sound dumb, but if its helps one kid out, I thought it worth repeating. My dad taught me this, when he would coach our soccer teams, "Look out for the kids that are NOT sweating, not the other way around."

Not sweating can be a sign of many things, most usually dehydration, but it all adds up to the same thing, the kid has no help regulating body temperature. In this case, who knows what happens, but one this is for sure, if the class was inside, and the kid was outside doing physical activity, no one was watching to see if anything concerning was going on.

 

[92562]

Article said low to mid 90s at the time of the incident. So yeah definitely not coastal, but that's not exactly torture temperatures.

I believe they low balled the temp. I drove through Elsinore this morning at about 11:00am and it was 97 degrees. Monday and Tuesday it was MUCH hotter, about 10 degrees and much more humid than normal. Either way, the child had classic heat stroke symptoms, he even threw up the water from his classmate. Sad deal.

 

[bonesfab]

And having to live with the guilt that you probably contributed to it. I think even if it comes out that the kid had some kind of condition, or it was myocarditis from the vax, or whatever. . . tough thing to have to live with. No matter what, one child is dead, and the teacher's life will never be the same. Very tragic.

I was waiting for the Vax to be mentioned. With his mother being a teacher I would wager he got the jab. It also said she was a PE teacher at another school. Maybe this teacher thought she would teach them both a lesson about not sending the p.e. clothes to school. Vax was the the first thing I thought of when I heard the story. Also growing up we never had A/c in school or water fountains that were worth a shit. Sad story and who knows if the truth will ever come out.

 

[bowtiejunkie]

I couldn’t imagine this happening to one of my kids. Horrible. I hate hearing about these events.

Lots of speculation. So, I’ll just add the following. PE teachers many times are also athletic coaches at the school. They should have a good gauge of their student’s abilities. Also, they should be aware of a student’s medical issues - if any reported. No PE teacher / coach I’ve ever come across has intended to overwork a kid into dying. Plenty of 12 year olds out running or participating in sports in the heat, what is it about this situation that led to a kid dying? We probably won’t know and I’m not going to pass judgement just yet.

 

[SBMech]

I was waiting for the Vax to be mentioned. With his mother being a teacher I would wager he got the jab. It also said she was a PE teacher at another school. Maybe this teacher thought she would teach them both a lesson about not sending the p.e. clothes to school. Vax was the the first thing I thought of when I heard the story. Also growing up we never had A/c in school or water fountains that were worth a shit. Sad story and who knows if the truth will ever come out.

Sadly it's also the first thing I thought about, I just did not mention it as the issue still seems politically charged, even though at this point it's a fact.

Interestingly when I was in school they were much different as far as PE is concerned, my first Jr/Senior high was a heavy sports school, so there were always water breaks, even when cool. I guess SoCal is really it's own planet lol.

No gym clothes meant on the bench with no credit for the day. Never was punishment doled out as exercise. Unless you were an athlete and broke the code of conduct, then it was done as part of practice, never unsupervised.

 

[Singleton]

Water bottles for costal 85 degree heat....haha

When your body is used to the 70’s and it hits 85 with a heat index closer to 90 it becomes a problem.
School policy is all kids take a water bottle to the track (at all times). No water at track and locker room is a block away.
The PE teacher admitted to breaking policy of checking kids as they leave the locker room to verify they have a water bottle. If they are caught leaving without their bottle, they get an extra mile on the track. Instead of standing at door and checking the kids, he admitted he was inside his air conditioned office because he was hot from the prior period.

I spent 3 periods at school today helping (was the water checker while teachers cooled off inside with AC) and when my daughter came running out of the locker room without her bottle, she was sent back and was also informed she earned an extra mile on the track. Once she completed her extra mile, I returned to my office.

 

[manxman]

I believe they low balled the temp. I drove through Elsinore this morning at about 11:00am and it was 97 degrees. Monday and Tuesday it was MUCH hotter, about 10 degrees and much more humid than normal. Either way, the child had classic heat stroke symptoms, he even threw up the water from his classmate. Sad deal.

I was thinking this as well. I drove by canyon lake on the 15 yesterday and saw 107 to 109 degrees in that area.

 

[Joepump]

I live 2 blocks from Canyon Lake Middle School. My truck was reading 111* that day.

 

[OceansideRide]

12 years old- and last time I checked, many members on this board do not want the government telling them what to do , spend, vaccinate, drive under the influence, control 2nd Amendment rights etc etc . But it is being even slightly suggested or tossed around ( by the same types) that a teacher ( school is government, folks) some how , some way had any shred of a right to punish some ones kid until they DIED?

So that would be okay with you if it was your kid?

So your reaction would be - "He should have respected the teacher like I taught him and talked tough about on the internet- I have failed as a parent, its perfectly fine he is dead. And because I have brought dishonor to my family, I will be killing myself as well" ???

Construction company owner here. Our sites in Menifee ,Corona, and Fontana went on high heat provisions that day. That means grown ass men who are framers take water / rest / shade breaks every hour, start at 5:00 am and end work at 1:30. The law requires us to not only provide water, has guidelines for how much and often to drink it- it is recommended to be a cool temperature.

Refer here to the Environmental Heat and Metabolic Heat guidelines. You know, it is SUMMER in the Desert

Grown ass men who are acclimated and physically capable of stacking a roof in 125 degree temps take breaks.

But you know, I think more than a few here clicked in the Go Fund Me, saw the kids picture and immediately jumped to a whole other level of thinking/ speculating/ and victim blaming. I have read threads calling for lawn decoration thieves to be shot on sight, but somehow there is any shred of sympathy or understanding for a person who is entrusted to safe guard children, to kill one?

As a lifelong astute conservative, I can tell you, that thinking only makes society function at an even lower level than ever imagined.



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