WELCOME TO RIVER DAVES PLACE

1.7 million pounds of Thrust

jetboatperformance

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 1, 2008
Messages
8,881
Reaction score
19,727

rrrr

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
16,469
Reaction score
37,406
Pffft, that's nuthin'. 😁

Each of the five Rocketdyne F-1 engines on the Saturn V produced 1.5 million pounds of thrust. That's 7.5 million total. The rocket weighed 6.2 million pounds fully fueled at launch.

The Saturn V's first stage fired for 2 minutes and 40 seconds, burning 203,000 gallons of RP-1 fuel and 318,000 gallons of LOX. It consumed 40,000 lbs of fuel per second, and 4.7 million pounds total during the burn, carrying the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles and a speed of 6,000 MPH.

And yes, the Apollo astronauts landed on the moon. Six times.

😁
 
Last edited:

4Waters

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2016
Messages
36,139
Reaction score
92,298
Pffft, that's nuthin'. 😁

Each of the five Rocketdyne F-1 engines on the Saturn V produced 1.5 million pounds of thrust. That's 7.5 million total. The rocket weighed 6.2 million pounds fully fueled at launch.

The Saturn V's first stage fired for 2 minutes and 40 seconds, burning 203,000 gallons of R-1 fuel and 318,000 gallons of LOX. It consumed 40,000 lbs of fuel per second, and 4.7 million pounds total during the burn, carrying the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles and a speed of 6,000 MPH.

And yes, the Apollo astronauts landed on the moon. Six times.

😁
A friend of mines dad worked at Rocketdyne here in the Simi Hills at the Santa Susanna Field Laboratory, he told me they tested one F-1 motor one time (well before I was born). They couldn't get it shut down fast enough, while there wasn't many houses in Simi at the time most had broken windows. They tested the shit out of the shuttle engines, sometimes they tested something else quite a bit bigger that shook the shit out of the valley but was rare, would have liked to know what that was.

It was fukin awesome growing up listening to rocket motors being tested several times a year, I grew up about 3.5 miles from the closest test stand.
 

Mcchevy69ss

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 22, 2017
Messages
122
Reaction score
200
Pffft, that's nuthin'. 😁

Each of the five Rocketdyne F-1 engines on the Saturn V produced 1.5 million pounds of thrust. That's 7.5 million total. The rocket weighed 6.2 million pounds fully fueled at launch.

The Saturn V's first stage fired for 2 minutes and 40 seconds, burning 203,000 gallons of R-1 fuel and 318,000 gallons of LOX. It consumed 40,000 lbs of fuel per second, and 4.7 million pounds total during the burn, carrying the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles and a speed of 6,000 MPH.

And yes, the Apollo astronauts landed on the moon. Six times.

😁
SpaceX's Starship, with its Super Heavy booster, generates a thrust of approximately 16 million pounds, more than twice the 7.6 million pounds of thrust of the Saturn V rocket. It uses 33 Raptor engines that are fully reusable and lands itself upright back at the launch pad.
 

rrrr

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
16,469
Reaction score
37,406
SpaceX's Starship, with its Super Heavy booster, generates a thrust of approximately 16 million pounds, more than twice the 7.6 million pounds of thrust of the Saturn V rocket. It uses 33 Raptor engines that are fully reusable and lands itself upright back at the launch pad.
Yeah, I know the Starship is in a class of its own. I hope they can get it debugged, the concept is fantastic. My brain watching Mechazilla capture the Super Heavy insists it's CGI, it couldn't be real.
 

coolchange

Lower level functionary
Joined
Jan 1, 2008
Messages
10,928
Reaction score
16,535
Yeah, I know the Starship is in a class of its own. I hope they can get it debugged, the concept is fantastic. My brain watching Mechazilla capture the Super Heavy insists it's CGI, it couldn't be real.
How I felt the first time I saw a stealth bomber. Almost made me sea sick as my brain was saying that doesn’t make sense.
 

rrrr

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
16,469
Reaction score
37,406
I'll just take a fuel pump from one of those engines for my boat - 55,000hp should do the trick.
The gas generator that powered the turbopump on the F-1 developed 45,000 HP to deliver the fuel and oxidizer to the engine. The video below captures just how much power that is. It's crazy that amount of HP turned just one pump, but the pump was moving 40,000 pounds of RP-1 (highly refined kerosene) and liquid oxygen every second.

It had a common shaft that powered both pumps. The RP-1 was at ambient temps around 85°F, the LOX was at -297°F, and the turbine exhaust was over 4,000°F. It's incredible the engineers developed materials and pump seals that worked at those extreme differences of temperature in such close proximity to each other.

A cutaway F-1 turbopump. The turbine is at the bottom, the LOX section in the center, and the RP-1 section on top.

1000004406.jpg


A video of the gas generator firing on a test stand. All of that discharge powered the turbopump.

 
Last edited:

Eliminator21vdrive

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 5, 2016
Messages
2,509
Reaction score
5,629
A friend of mines dad worked at Rocketdyne here in the Simi Hills at the Santa Susanna Field Laboratory, he told me they tested one F-1 motor one time (well before I was born). They couldn't get it shut down fast enough, while there wasn't many houses in Simi at the time most had broken windows. They tested the shit out of the shuttle engines, sometimes they tested something else quite a bit bigger that shook the shit out of the valley but was rare, would have liked to know what that was.

It was fukin awesome growing up listening to rocket motors being tested several times a year, I grew up about 3.5 miles from the closest test stand.
I lived near a Aerojet facility when I was a kid and the sounds and window rattling were crazy also had an air force base close so sonic booms and air raid siren testing as well.
The early 70's were crazy
 

4Waters

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2016
Messages
36,139
Reaction score
92,298
How I felt the first time I saw a stealth bomber. Almost made me sea sick as my brain was saying that doesn’t make sense.
Saw my first a few months ago heading to Vegas
20241213_151626.jpg
20241213_151617.jpg


The gas generator that powered the turbopump on the F-1 developed 45,000 HP to deliver the fuel and oxidizer to the engine. The video below captures just how much power that is. It's crazy that amount of HP turned just one pump, but the pump was moving 40,000 pounds of R-1 (highly refined kerosene) and liquid oxygen every second.

It had a common shaft that powered both pumps. The R-1 was at ambient temps around 85°F, the LOX was at -297°F, and the turbine exhaust was over 4,000°F. It's incredible the engineers developed materials and pump seals that worked at those extreme differences of temperature in such close proximity to each other.

A cutaway F-1 turbopump. The turbine is at the bottom, the LOX section in the center, and the R-1 section on top.

View attachment 1487252

A video of the gas generator firing on a test stand. All of that discharge powered the turbopump.

After watching your video I guess it's possible they may have been testing the shit out of the fuel pumps with the occasional shuttle engine. IDK for sure without being in the vicinity of a fuel pump test.
 

rrrr

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
16,469
Reaction score
37,406
Saw my first a few months ago heading to Vegas
View attachment 1487309 View attachment 1487310


After watching your video I guess it's possible they may have been testing the shit out of the fuel pumps with the occasional shuttle engine. IDK for sure without being in the vicinity of a fuel pump test.
The gas generator in the video was mounted on a test stand at Marshall Space Flight Center and ignited. Its output nozzle wasn't connected to any downstream device, it was just blasting a overly rich mixture of RP-1 and LOX.

It used the non-stochiometric propellant mix because it burned at much lower temperatures. That protected the turbopump turbine section, and the exhaust was also discharged into the outer circumference of the F-1's combustion nozzle to lower its operating temperature.

When you watch the launch ignition of the Saturn V first stage, the first sequences are a flood of LOX from all five engines to prespin the turbopump impellers, as the gas generators light to begin driving the turbopumps. The large dispersion of black smoke and flame seen just before the F-1 engines ignite four seconds later is the overly rich exhaust from the gas generators. The huge high velocity flow of propellant gases from the engines suck the black cloud back down through the hole into mobile launch structure as the rocket lifts off.

As the rocket levitates, you can still see the gas generator exhaust as the first fifty feet or so of the propellant gases leaving the nozzle extension. After that, the burning bright white mixture of RP-1 and LOX from the engine overexpose the camera shot.

Fast forward to 2 minutes to see this sequence. At 3:20 the gas generator exhaust and propellant discharge separation is clearly visible.

 
Last edited:

coolchange

Lower level functionary
Joined
Jan 1, 2008
Messages
10,928
Reaction score
16,535
Saw my first a few months ago heading to Vegas
View attachment 1487309 View attachment 1487310


After watching your video I guess it's possible they may have been testing the shit out of the fuel pumps with the occasional shuttle engine. IDK for sure without being in the vicinity of a fuel pump test.
It just looks like a triangular shaped hole in the sky
 

rush1

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2013
Messages
2,912
Reaction score
2,774
The mighty F 1 engine had an inflight rating of zero failures !
 
Top