Russia and Ukraine

[HotRod82]

What would you do if you were Ukraine or a Ukrainian?

What they should have done in the first place. Assure Russia that Ukraine will never be a part of NATO.

 

[530RL]

What they should have done in the first place. Assure Russia that Ukraine will never be a part of NATO.

So you believe if Ukraine would have done so, Russia would have never invaded Crimea or any other territory of Ukraine?

 

[530RL]

What would you do?

Nothing different than you would do if a foreign country invaded the United States, fight as long as it takes to remain free.

 

[PlanB]

Ukraine is not the United States. They are not a NATO country. They are not our problem.

 

[Q4mtxUS]

If I were Ukrainian, I’d move to Vancouver WA. There is a huge community of Ukrainian s there and there is a copart close by. Lots of cobbed together BMWs with with salvage titles around here

 

[Sandlord]

Nothing different than you would do if a foreign country invaded the United States, fight as long as it takes to remain free.

That wasn’t the question.

530RL said:
What would you do if you were Ukraine or a Ukrainian?

 

[HotRod82]

So you believe if Ukraine would have done so, Russia would have never invaded Crimea or any other territory of Ukraine?

Crimea was payback for then Secretary of State Clinton effectively deposing the elected Russia friendly President of Ukraine, as well as the continued eastern expansion of NATO. IMO - If the west was smart, they would have stopped provoking Putin by threatening him with Ukraine NATO membership. NATO was, and still is, hellbent on a Black Sea blockade of Russia. Remember, Russia invaded shortly after VP Harris promised Ukraine NATO membership. Again, IMO - this is no different than Kennedy telling the Soviets we would go to war if they put ballistic missiles in Cuba. The Russians drew the same red line with NATO in Ukraine and the West crossed it. Now there are over a million people dead.

 

[530RL]

That wasn’t the question.

530RL said:
What would you do if you were Ukraine or a Ukrainian?

That was a direct answer.

If I was (insert nationality here), I would fight as long as it takes to remain free.

 

[4Waters]

That was a direct answer.

If I was (insert nationality here), I would fight as long as it takes to remain free.

I call bullshit! You're not fighting to stay free here, you're just rolling over and letting the democrats fuck you.

 

[530RL]

Crimea was payback for then Secretary of State Clinton effectively deposing the elected Russia friendly President of Ukraine, as well as the continued eastern expansion of NATO. IMO - If the west was smart, they would have stopped provoking Putin by threatening him with Ukraine NATO membership. NATO was, and still is, hellbent on a Black Sea blockade of Russia. Remember, Russia invaded shortly after VP Harris promised Ukraine NATO membership. Again, IMO - this is no different than Kennedy telling the Soviets we would go to war if they put ballistic missiles in Cuba. The Russians drew the same red line with NATO in Ukraine and the West crossed it. Now there are over a million people dead.

Interesting view.

Crimea was it appears to most experts on the area an invasion to expand Russian territory and take over a strategic Black Sea port that leads to the Sea of Azov.

Although I’ve been there several times I’m not an expert on the area, but I suspect Russia was going after Crimea no matter what.

Ukrainians can simply subjugate or fight. Only two choices.

 

[Racey]

And exactly who are specifically targeting and killing those innocent civilians?

You would suggest the Ukrainian people simply drop their weapons and surrender their lives to those individuals, or should they defend themselves from such individuals?

Is it that hard to comprehend? What would you do?

Now rewind to 2014-2022 when the Coup government of Kyiv was attacking Ukrainians in the Donbas, and ask the same question

 

[regor]

Although I’ve been there several times I’m not an expert on the area, but I suspect Russia was going after Crimea no matter what.

You've got skin in the Globalhomo Bio-Lab game also? It's all making sense now!!!!!!

 

[Sandlord]

Crimea was Russia, then independent in 1991. Then Ukraine in 2014, then declared independent again later in 2014 but Ukraine and the EU didn’t agree. Then Russia took control again during Obamas term without a fight.

 

[Racey]

Interesting view.

Crimea was it appears to most experts on the area an invasion to expand Russian territory and take over a strategic Black Sea port that leads to the Sea of Azov.

Although I’ve been there several times I’m not an expert on the area, but I suspect Russia was going after Crimea no matter what.

Ukrainians can simply subjugate or fight. Only two choices.

Take over a sea port? Bro it was already theirs.....

 

[530RL]

Take over a sea port? Bro it was already theirs.....

Lol

I guess all this history books talking about the invasion of Crimea in 2014 are just conspiracy theories.

America is doomed.

 

[Racey]

Lol

I guess all this history books talking about the invasion of Crimea in 2014 are just conspiracy theories.

America is doomed.

Lol this is a perfect example of some prime lefty ignorance right here, no understanding of this History of Crimea, the population, the Naval Base.Good job morons

 

[530RL]

Lol this is a perfect example of some prime lefty ignorance right here, no understanding of this History of Crimea, the population, the Naval Base.Good job morons

Lol

It isnt just me, it is a majority of the world.

Maybe you should sign up to be a Ukrainian history expert on all the news shows, your views would certainly be unique.

 

[Racey]

Lol

It isnt just me, it is a majority of the world.

Maybe you should sign up to be a Ukrainian history expert on all the news shows, your views would certainly be unique.

The majority of the world, ok dude .

Russian invasion was this, they were already there, had a huge base there, vast majority of the population was Russian speaking and welcomed the news that Russia was liberating them from the installed government in Kyiv.....

You can't invade what you already have, Russia amd Ukraine had an agreement that Russia would retain their base, when the Ukraine government was overthrown in a non democratic coup, Russia was well within its rights to secure the base.

Majority of the world doesn't believe in free speech or the right to self defense.... So that carries anout zero weight, it's an appeal to authority argument.

 

[regor]

The majority of the world, ok dude .

Russian invasion was this, they were already there, had a huge base there, vast majority of the population was Russian speaking and welcomed the news that Russia was liberating them from the installed government in Kyiv.....

You can't invade what you already have, Russia amd Ukraine had an agreement that Russia would retain their base, when the Ukraine government was overthrown in a non democratic coup, Russia was well within its rights to secure the base.

Majority of the world doesn't believe in free speech or the right to self defense.... So that carries anout zero weight, it's an appeal to authority argument.

 

[Racey]

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[530RL]

The majority of the world, ok dude .

Russian invasion was this, they were already there, had a huge base there, vast majority of the population was Russian speaking and welcomed the news that Russia was liberating them from the installed government in Kyiv.....

You can't invade what you already have, Russia amd Ukraine had an agreement that Russia would retain their base, when the Ukraine government was overthrown in a non democratic coup, Russia was well within its rights to secure the base.

Majority of the world doesn't believe in free speech or the right to self defense.... So that carries anout zero weight, it's an appeal to authority argument.

LOL



Following your logic Southern California up to Santa Barbara really belongs to Mexico.

 

[regor]

LOL



Following your logic Southern California up to Santa Barbara really belongs to Mexico.

Let the lil Jew Globalist try and take it then.

 

[Racey]

LOL



Following your logic Southern California up to Santa Barbara really belongs to Mexico.

It's obvious you only watch CNN and NBC by the sheer amount of ignorance you display on the subject.

Maybe you need to go read the Minsk Agreements, you austere scholar you

 

[Angler]

What would you do if you were Ukraine or a Ukrainian?

I'd stop trying to join NATO.

 

[530RL]

It's obvious you only watch CNN and NBC by the sheer amount of ignorance you display on the subject.

Maybe you need to go read the Minsk Agreements, you austere scholar you

LOL

You mean Minsk I or Minsk II, both of which Russia immediately violated?

I've also read the Munich Agreement. Some even learned from it.......

And then of course there is the Doha agreement, aka the US surrender to the Taliban agreement. I wonder who negotiated and signed that?

Probably the same people who negotiated the "greatest trade deal in the history of the United States", the USMCA.

Those pesky agreements, always seem to get in the way of a good authoritarian.

 

[regor]

And then of course there is the Doha agreement, aka the US surrender to the Taliban agreement. I wonder who negotiated and signed that?

Probably the same people who negotiated the "greatest trade deal in the history of the United States", the USMCA.

Those pesky agreements, always seem to get in the way of a good authoritarian.

 

[SNiC Jet]

That was a direct answer.

If I was (insert nationality here), I would fight as long as it takes to remain free.

Bullshit! Not to hijack a thread, but you will not even stand and fight with your fellow AZ Republicans. And you claim Trump turned AZ Blue
You can no longer hide your True Colors!

Every AZ House Republican voted to support AZ,s current HB 2876, “Free, Fair and Transparent Elections Act,”, and you will not commit to work with them.​

 

[Racey]

LOL

You mean Minsk I or Minsk II, both of which Russia immediately violated?

I've also read the Munich Agreement. Some even learned from it.......

And then of course there is the Doha agreement, aka the US surrender to the Taliban agreement. I wonder who negotiated and signed that?

Probably the same people who negotiated the "greatest trade deal in the history of the United States", the USMCA.

Those pesky agreements, always seem to get in the way of a good authoritarian.

Lol, Russia violated the agreement that ensured a ceasefire and autonomy of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions? The one Kyiv violated by shelling them and banning the Russian Language and Orthodox church in the region?

You continue to amaze us all Mr Acosta

 

[monkeyswrench]

Lol, Russia violated the agreement that ensured a ceasefire and autonomy of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions? The one Kyiv violated by shelling them and banning the Russian Language and Orthodox church in the region?

You continue to amaze us all Mr Acosta

Just catching up, I was hoping other people paid attention...we know at least one here may pay attention, just chooses to substitute their own "reality".

If one was to do some digging, there are stories of Americans and other westerners that fight, or have fought, for Ukraine, against Ukraine and even some that have done both due to change in view once there. There is also a large that went to fight for Ukraine, and came home within months. Some due to the poor conditions and support, others because they believed the lies until they saw the truth.

 

[530RL]

Just catching up, I was hoping other people paid attention...we know at least one here may pay attention, just chooses to substitute their own "reality".

If one was to do some digging, there are stories of Americans and other westerners that fight, or have fought, for Ukraine, against Ukraine and even some that have done both due to change in view once there. There is also a large that went to fight for Ukraine, and came home within months. Some due to the poor conditions and support, others because they believed the lies until they saw the truth.

There was a very large contingent of Americans who believed America should never get involved in WWII.

They called themselves “America First Committee”.

 

[gottaminute?]

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maybe 1060/2 can swing by and pick em up

dont know the guy but ive been harboring this pic for days.

 

[FROGMAN524]

There was a very large contingent of Americans who believed America should never get involved in WWII.

They called themselves “America First Committee”.

That was before nukes

 

[monkeyswrench]

There was a very large contingent of Americans who believed America should never get involved in WWII.

They called themselves “America First Committee”.

I always give you too much credit...yet you always gloss over, and deflect. My guess is you know not a single person who is directly effected by this war. Not in the financial hardship way, the pulling shrapnel from their body way, or the fear of death way.

Different views from different folks. This is a war we started, for the sake of starting a war. You, and some other gold and blew people seem to see it some other way. Our weapons, our encouragement. We funded the uprising that resulted in the deaths of Ukrainians, so we could put a puppet in place to start a war, by killing Ukrainians, that spoke Russian....to draw Russia into a fight with our proxy army.

 

[azsunfun]

https://x.com/i/status/1906539266554925373

 

[PlanB]

https://x.com/i/status/1906539266554925373

Cut off all support to Ukraine and see how long they last.

 

[spectras only]

Not only Crimea was part of the Russian Empire, Odessa was also, after taken from the Ottomans by Catherine the Great II.

In 1794, a decree of the Russian empress Catherine II was issued to establish a navy harbor and trading place in Khadjibey, which was named Odessa soon after.[11][12] From 1819 to 1858, Odesa was a free port. During the Soviet period, it was an important trading port and a naval base. During the 19th century, Odesa was the fourth largest city of the Russian Empire,
You got to understand that Russians are butt hurt loosing those key parts of Russia. I know a Russian guy who was second officer on a cruise ship from Odessa, lamenting about this loss. Ukraine never was what it is now.
Yeah, keep fueling the fire by helping Ukraine towards NATO membership and see what happens. Is it worth draw Europe, and possibility of the USA into a major conflict, because of a former comedian clown, recklessly fighting a war he can't win, loosing another 500,000 people or more.

 

[rcmike]

What he said..

And just for giggles, Russia took Crimea in 1783. They founded Sevastopol that year as a port and fortress. They controlled it until 1991. In 1997, they negotiated a permanent lease for Sevastopol, and had a huge military presence there. In 2014 when Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice and Hillary decided to run a coup in Ukraine, Putin told his people to walk out of the port and take the peninsula to preserve the base, which they did.

Was he justified? Hard to say, I don't have a dog in this fight, except for the money Biden lit on fire. It is interesting that we promised Nato would never go east of Germany. I wonder if that affects their thinking?

 

[Wedgy]

What would you do if you were Ukraine or a Ukrainian?

Emigrate to the U.S.A. Yesterday.
There's good reason. Historical precedent. If one has the means, there sure is, has always been, and will always be, motive. Ask the Colonials.

Europe in the rear view. Never boring. Always an adventure. From day one.
We stand on the shoulders of great men.
Men who gave their lives for us.
Thank you Jesus. Godspeed all.

 

[Wedgy]

Interesting view.

Crimea was it appears to most experts on the area an invasion to expand Russian territory and take over a strategic Black Sea port that leads to the Sea of Azov.

Although I’ve been there several times I’m not an expert on the area, but I suspect Russia was going after Crimea no matter what.

Ukrainians can simply subjugate or fight. Only two choices.

Really? Are you sure...

 

[Wedgy]

Bad actors

So you believe if Ukraine would have done so, Russia would have never invaded Crimea or any other territory of Ukraine?

It's not that simple. We know the cause we know the score. The staus quo sucks. All around.
Great time to Ding! Everyone lay down arms. and go back to their corners.
Hmm. Isn't somebody doing something about that?

Bad actor dumbasses FA. They FO. Russia said IDFTS, and the ensuing Clusterfuck is FUBAR. Zboy is a puppet.
Ukrainians, subjects. Stay and die. Flee and live.
Enough already. But noo. Can't have that. Time will tell. Godspeed.