HIN for California ???

[jetboatperformance]

Customer brought a letter he received yesterday on a hull he has had for at least 5 years , I owned it in 2002 and its had at least two other owners of record prior to current ? then I saw this on FB so it must not be just my guy ...crazy California whats Up ?

 

[4Waters]

WTF?

 

[TimeBandit]

Customer brought a letter he received yesterday on a hull he has had for at least 5 years , I owned it in 2002 and its had at least two other owners of record prior to current ? then I saw this on FB so it must not be just my guy ...crazy California whats Up ?

What year is the hull? google says law began in 1972.

 

[Rayson1971]

Customer brought a letter he received yesterday on a hull he has had for at least 5 years , I owned it in 2002 and its had at least two other owners of record prior to current ? then I saw this on FB so it must not be just my guy ...crazy California whats Up ?

I did too.

 

[Crazyhippy]

HIN should be 12 characters, right rear of the boat under the rubrail (im sure you know this, but putting it out there for everyone else).

There is the possibility of 14 characters, if it was built overseas. It will have a 2 letter country code preceding these 12...

 

[EarpRider]

Tons of guys on River Whips on Facebook said that they also received that letter.

 

[jetboatperformance]

What year is the hull? google says law began in 1972.

The one in question is from 2002 , has succesfully been bought and sold multiple times with the HIN thats on the reg but suddenly people are getting these notices ?

 

[PlanB]

Register in Arizona. Problem solved.

 

[H20beater]

I received 4 of these letters today in the mail they were all for Yamaha 2 stroke jet skis that I have owned for a few years. Maybe a 2 stroke thing ?

 

[Rayson1971]

I received 4 of these letters today in the mail they were all for Yamaha 2 stroke jet skis that I have owned for a few years. Maybe a 2 stroke thing ?

No cuz I bought mine band new bare hull and started out an I/O

 

[Sleek-Jet]

The one in question is from 2002 , has succesfully been bought and sold multiple times with the HIN thats on the reg but suddenly people are getting these notices ?

Being bought, sold and registered in Cali doesn't mean much. I bought a boat from California and went to register it in AZ and there was no HIN on the hull, it had been ground off at some point. A lot of hoops that I had to jump through ensued.

Previously the boat has been purchased and sold by several people in the forums, none had an issue with registering it. Turns out the HIN was completely fabricated, and the manufacturer has no record of the hull being laid up. Most likely it has either been stolen or sunk at some point.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Being bought, sold and registered in Cali doesn't mean much. I bought a boat from California and went to register it in AZ and there was no HIN on the hull, it had been ground off at some point. A lot of hoops that I had to jump through ensued.

Previously the boat has been purchased and sold by several people in the forums, none had an issue with registering it. Turns out the HIN was completely fabricated, and the manufacturer has no record of the hull being laid up. Most likely it has either been stolen or sunk at some point.

Regardless, these letters went out by the thousands and people are getting them and they’re being told that they have to come up with the correct number, but there’s no real indication as to where to go or what they do and they may not get the registration renewed without some sort of action I think somebody got the cart before the horse

 

[Rayson1971]

So do we send a scan of the pink slip?

 

[jetboatperformance]

So do we send a scan of the pink slip?

I have no idea. I can’t find any logic or direction on the California website. Looks like a way to grab more money than me somehow.

 

[Rayson1971]

I have no idea. I can’t find any logic or direction on the California website. Looks like a way to grab more money than me somehow.

I didn't see a payment price on my paperwork

 

[X Hoser]

So do we send a scan of the pink slip?

I call BullS*$T. Doesn’t pass the taste test with me. I’d call my State Senator for Confirmation that the letter was sent by the state. Smells of a scam to me

 

[boatpi]

OK this HAS to be 12, no exceptions after 1972. What likely has occurred is an error when originally titled, and this could include adding the country of MFG. I have seen nearly all of these errors. They can almost universally be cleared up with an appointment at a CHP VIN inspection office. If you like, DM me for my direct contact in case CHP has issues. I still teach Le twice a year in Cali, they call me when they get stuck. If friend can e mail me a photo of the HIN, via DM then I may be able to explain the concern. Or post the HIN photo. He will need a statement of facts and VIN inspection form completed and submitted to DMV for this correction, as I recall no fee aside from a new title fee.

 

[Rayson1971]

I call BullS*$T. Doesn’t pass the taste test with me. I’d call my State Senator for Confirmation that the letter was sent by the state. Smells of a scam to me

Funny you say that. All the envelopes and notice came in black and white and not the dmw colors that they use.

 

[Sharp Shooter]

I got one too.

20 years ago, I successfully transferred the title of my Biesemeyer and have successfully registered the boat ever since. It wasn't registered or given a proper HIN when new because it was a race boat. When I bought it the owner who was in Oregon had a number assigned to it and the Ca DMV accepted that number. 20 years later it's now a problem? Idiots!

 

[Rayson1971]

Looking at my pink slip I don't have any of those formats. How should I have been able to register it being different than supposed to be? 3 letters 4 numbers 1 letter then 3 numbers . Don't have 5 numbers in a row.

 

[boatpi]

Just send it off to me and I’ll jump in and help out. There is two different formats depending upon the year of the boat and as above indicated what’s considered the sequential numbers in fact, do not have to be numbers they have they can be a combination of numbers and letters.

Bayliner caused a lot of issues as an example of a number of years ago when they started may affection the halls in Mexico and after the 12 character hen number there was a smallest base and they stamped in the letters MX for Mexico many boats were registered with 14 or more characters in the hin. Remember unlike motor vehicles that since 1981 have a 17 character sequence number issued by the department of transportation boats are a much different animal, and it leads to a lot of fraud and now and then mistakes like this. It can be resolved with the right expert involved and then the end probably a CHP investigator helping out.

 

[Echo Lodge]

I just got the same letter for 2 2018 kawi 4 stroke stand ups. They had "US" in front of my 12 digit HIN number. I simply wrote down the 12 HIN numbers and left off the "US" per the instructions in the letter below. I bought the skis used during COVID and had to mail everything into DMV. Not sure how they messed it up! I included printed pics of the HINs to show them their screwup! BTW, my pink slips show the US and 12 digit HIN numbers. So 14 digits.

 

[wzuber]

Customer brought a letter he received yesterday on a hull he has had for at least 5 years , I owned it in 2002 and its had at least two other owners of record prior to current ? then I saw this on FB so it must not be just my guy ...crazy California whats Up ?

I just received 1 for a 1973, 18' Roger's super cyclone I've had for at least 15 yrs. I don't understand what the issue is with them dmv peeps?

 

[wzuber]

So do we send a scan of the pink slip?

No, just fill out the doc. as shown and return..

 

[Sherpa]

I got two. One for my 74 Biesemeyer, and another for my Duxboat........ didn't get one for my Mastercraft....

whole thing is stupid. the MC is an 88. B boat is a 74. the Dux is an mid 2000's,

--S

 

[Your ad here]

Sounds like a money grab.

 

[boatpi]

On Kawasaki JetSki’s exactly what I spoke to earlier it usually be several digits that don’t belong in front, or several after. they often separate by a and they have nothing to do with a whole identification number

 

[wzuber]

Sounds like a money grab.

No money required, at least not at this point.

 

[Willie B]

… Is this what I have to look forward to… With my ‘76 Spectra 24 and my ‘75 Sanger bubble deck circle runner bottom???…

 

[mattyc]

I got one as well, for a 1981 Mach 1 tunnel that I sold nearly ten years ago. It went in the trash

 

[wzuber]

… Is this what I have to look forward to… With my ‘76 Spectra 24 and my ‘75 Sanger bubble deck circle runner bottom???…

Oh Fer sher...

 

[LazyLavey]

Just another

"During a recent audit, DMV found".......

Fell through the cracks for several years

Doesn't look like they asking for money... are they?

 

[wzuber]

Just another

"During a recent audit, DMV found".......

Fell through the cracks for several years

Doesn't look like they asking for money... are they?

No....NO MONEY being requested, demanded (other then a stamp). Just verify HIN and return document. What's mystiphying to me is the age and length of time owned of the hulls/VINs involved here, so seemingly sporadic and random.

 

[Ziggy]

So, since 1972 it's supposedly a 12 digit HIN#, eh?
So for 52 years the dmv employees haven't been very good at counting or having the intended owner correct this at time of title issuance.
Say it ain't so?

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

So, since 1972 it's supposedly a 12 digit HIN#, eh?
So for 52 years the dmv employees haven't been very good at counting or having the intended owner correct this at time of title issuance.
Say it ain't so?

Well it is the DMV, the pinnacle of speedy government service.

 

[ibelio]

taxes guys taxes looking for property taxes

 

[LazyLavey]

taxes guys taxes looking for property taxes

I wouldn't think it would have any effect on taxes... ??.... taxes already in play

 

[Echo Lodge]

I finally got my updated registration today in the mail. The DMV had US in front of my Kawasaki stand up ski hull number. The new registration has removed the US.

 

[weasle]

I am still waiting for my updated registration. I got one of those letters for a 1983 Kawasaki Jet Ski in October and mailed it back.

 

[Echo Lodge]

I am still waiting for my updated registration. I got one of those letters for a 1983 Kawasaki Jet Ski in October and mailed it back.

I sent mine in August so you probably have a few more months.

 

[Colton]

You guys are lucky. We've been going back and forth with dnr here in Illinois since 2013 for a title on a 1972 Glastron. The dnr here is supposed to come do a "inspection" on the boat.
Finally after calling them the past 3 years to come look , I got one to finally come out here last weekend. We've paid the taxes on this boat since 14.

 

[boatpi]

US and MX are not part of the HIN. Dealer mistake when registered new. Dopes.

 

[BoatCop]

I just received 1 for a 1973, 18' Roger's super cyclone I've had for at least 15 yrs. I don't understand what the issue is with them dmv peeps?

Your 1973 isn't required to have a 12 digit HIN. The requirement was introduced in the Federal Boating Safety Act of 1973, and applies to boats built (certified), 1974 and later, however some manufacturers didn't come into compliance until 1975 or later.

Some boat builders put "serial numbers" on their boats before 1974. I know Tahiti and a few other SOCAL builders did. Tahiti had a plate affixed, usually on the inside of the transom, sometimes on or near or under the dash, sometimes all three. But those numbers don't qualify as a "Hull Identification Number" under the law, even though some states' registration systems use those numbers. However, as registration files are being somewhat standardized to only take the 12 digit HIN, many states will be checking with the owners of out of compliance vessels, and issuing a compliant HIN to them. All states already do this with homemade boats, so the system(s) to issue them are already in place.

 

[Echo Lodge]

My new pink slip just arrived today.