Yes, another pool build thread

[boatpi]

So the pool is coming along well.

This might be a good time to show all photos. We were delayed by snow and rain.


At my house in Las Vegas it is 53’ long with the wet deck. FYI; I live in the southwest part of the valley on a half acre lot very close to Cimarron and Wigwam streets so directly west of me are the mountains including the red rock reserve.

Grotto is about 26’ wide, hidden entrance in left side, 20’ bar with 4 stools in pool, 3 person Bench in grotto so folks can view a pool volleyball game, 4X4. Spa is to the right side in grotto. Ceiling of grotto has 200 fiber optic strands.

In top is a 6’ wide waterfall that should flows up to 350 gallons per minute if I am brave enough! All Pentair equipment.

To right side of grotto is slide. All drains are hidden.

On Tuesday the contractor, Nationwide Pool Design, will nail it with shotcrete for 2 days. Then 2/3 weeks of plaster and grotto detail work.

The plaster has quartz in a custom mix to Closely as possible represent the colors of the mountains just over the top of the grotto. A little bit of extra red and maroon crystals were added in this custom mix that will be inserted in a few sections to match the red rock over my back wall.

The backdrop for this is the edge of the Ref Rock mountains, so the grotto colors will match this along with top of grotto plaster design.

And on top will be a 150K btu electrically ignited 5 foot flamethrower burner. Sort of like the Mirage Resort.

 

[charlyox]

SWEET! Looking great.

 

[brianwhiteboy]

Straight BALLER status. Congrats on the new pool!

 

[rivermobster]

Dude....

Bad azz! This will be one killer build.
2 :thumbup:

 

[28Eliminator]

That’s gonna be awesome [emoji106]


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[boatpi]

About to get shotcrete today.

 

[Mike Honcho]

Interested on where the opening of the spa is looks like its going to be a killer pool please show the pics after they shoot it.

 

[Tamalewagon]

Subscribed! I dig pool builds.

 

[boatpi]

 

[Tank]

Easy Playboy mansion! This things gonna be LEGIT!!!

 

[HNL2LHC]

I like it!!

 

[boatpi]

You enter the spa through the bar, or slide into it through a opening about 4" above the pool water level. The spa is very private and shielded from the sun for the most part as is the bench seat to the left inside of the grotto that permit viewing of the volleyball game at the north end. Wife has a dry eye issue so a bit lees sun on her or in her eyes was all part of this, and at 110 degrees in August we can get pool use without getting cooked. The bar will have sun on the seats until about 1 PM, then all in shade.

Over all of this is the waterfall with primary pumps 2 Pentair variable speed units with plumping for 1 more. Pool has another pump.

 

[boatpi]

Last pix until they are done with shotcrete. Shows top of grotto that will have the water fall, flames, led lighting. The Gray electrical conduit will contain the 32 V wires for the flame ignitor, it’s 5 feet long.

If you notice is a shape, the back lip on top of the grotto, that is going to be completed in plaster and of course colored to match the red rock mountains directly in back of my house.

we’re gonna try to match the peaks and valleys as reasonably as we can .

If you look close we laid out and dropped in 200+ strands of fiber optic bring it from the back of the bar around the back wall over the top and through the ceiling of the grotto.

If you look up between the bar and the spa is the special section that has an outline of the big dipper constellation in fiber optics blinking individually.

It is Vegas!!

 

[Mike Honcho]

Wow thats gonna be crazy, I'm sure allot of thought and planning went into this.

 

[Jed-O]

Going to be badass for sure!!!

 

[LakeBeard]

Bad ass!

 

[boatpi]

Shotcrete done. Grotto work will begin next week.

 

[rivermobster]

So bitchin.

I have a question though...

It does not look very deep. Do you thing you'll have trouble keeping it cool? Did you plan for that?

My pool is diving board depth, and it get's pretty damn warm by the end of summer. And I'm in Glendora, it's got to be a whole lot hotter out there in Vegas!

Clearly you thought of just about everything here. Just wondering what you had planned for the hot temps.

 

[boatpi]

It will be 4’ .6”deep in center. I do not believe we will have an issue as the early am sun is blocked by the house, and in west valley the sun hits the mountains early too. That is the good part as oppose to Henderson that can cook an hour longer as they are east valley. Add to that I am at about 3,200 elevation.

The water fall can cool the water too. And it can flow like a mutha.

 

[boatpi]

A few updates on the grotto work. One shows the fiber optic lines hanging inside the bar grotto. Color samples will be reviewed next week.

 

[Moody]

Hate to tell you but, that's some ugly rockwork. And that lid. Its going to crack and you will have alkali on the ceiling. I hope the price was right.

 

[boatpi]

Water is super filtered and salt water system. Rock work will look different when painted, I wanted it to look like the mountain behind the pool and it looks very close. And FYI there is 2,300 lbs of rebar in this all approved by my civil engineer who does 600 pools a year. I believe we are good.

 

[LakeBeard]

Bitchen!

 

[Tank]

That shit is off the hook!

I need to get my PI license when I retire!

 

[Moody]

Water is super filtered and salt water system. Rock work will look different when painted, I wanted it to look like the mountain behind the pool and it looks very close. And FYI there is 2,300 lbs of rebar in this all approved by my civil engineer who does 600 pools a year. I believe we are good.

I bet if your engineer went out to look at it when its was steeled, and then now after the concrete has been placed, he might have a problem. You can check your engineering. Its in your permit pack. Im pretty sure that lid is specd out to be 6" thick and 4500 Psi concrete. It sure doesn't look to be that thick. And dont tell me its been inspected. Half the time the inspectors dont know what they are looking at. Just and observation by someone who has been doing this for 25 years. We dont build them anymore. Just repair them and recolor. Thanks to all the knuckleheads in town doing crappy work, Im booked out 2 months now.

 

[boatpi]

FYI; Lid on NOT done, still under construction. Have faith..

 

[Nordie]

I bet if your engineer went out to look at it when its was steeled, and then now after the concrete has been placed, he might have a problem. You can check your engineering. Its in your permit pack. Im pretty sure that lid is specd out to be 6" thick and 4500 Psi concrete. It sure doesn't look to be that thick. And dont tell me its been inspected. Half the time the inspectors dont know what they are looking at. Just and observation by someone who has been doing this for 25 years. We dont build them anymore. Just repair them and recolor. Thanks to all the knuckleheads in town doing crappy work, Im booked out 2 months now.

Who says some shit like that? How can you justify what has been done as far as an engineering standpoint and pass judgment on someone else's project via online pictures. That's pretty messed up in my opinion.

Maybe you didn't win the bid or something

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[Moody]

Who says some shit like that? How can you justify what has been done as far as an engineering standpoint and pass judgment on someone else's project via online pictures. That's pretty messed up in my opinion.

Maybe you didn't win the bid or something

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In know. It sounds like that. But this is what I use to do for a living. I see this shit every day, so I can look at a photo and just tell. I dont build them anymore. Just repair them. Im just very passionate about the industry and disappointed that contractors and inspectors dont do their job right.

 

[Moody]

FYI; Lid on NOT done, still under construction. Have faith..

Lid is done as far as the 4500 psi concrete has been placed. The stucco/carve mix is no way near that strong. I dont care how much rebar is in the pool. Proper placement of the concrete if very important. We need rebar and concrete to work together for a wall to be structural.



Lets do this. And I apologize for sounding like an A hole. Grab your engineering and post a photo of the waterfall part. Post it here or in a DM. If I am wrong then Im the biggest dick head here. If Im right then there is still time to fix it. Your call. Im out.

 

[Nordie]

Lid is done as far as the 4500 psi concrete has been placed. The stucco/carve mix is no way near that strong. I dont care how much rebar is in the pool. Proper placement of the concrete if very important. We need rebar and concrete to work together for a wall to be structural.



Lets do this. And I apologize for sounding like an A hole. Grab your engineering and post a photo of the waterfall part. Post it here or in a DM. If I am wrong then Im the biggest dick head here. If Im right then there is still time to fix it. Your call. Im out.

How do you know that it is 4500psi concrete, the lid could be specced out at a whole different mix design. Different types of reinforcement could be used to accommodate as well. I am by no means a pool guy, but I might know a thing or two about concrete and reinforcement.

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[LHC30]

Lets do this. And I apologize for sounding like an A hole. Grab your engineering and post a photo of the waterfall part. Post it here or in a DM. If I am wrong then Im the biggest dick head here. If Im right then there is still time to fix it. Your call. Im out.

Now this is a stand up offer.

 

[Tank]

I keep checking in on this thread for updated pics. I think I'm nearly as excited to see this thing finished as you must be lol. Keep the pics coming. Tell your builders to hurry on.

 

[milkmoney]

Lid is done as far as the 4500 psi concrete has been placed. The stucco/carve mix is no way near that strong. I dont care how much rebar is in the pool. Proper placement of the concrete if very important. We need rebar and concrete to work together for a wall to be structural.



Lets do this. And I apologize for sounding like an A hole. Grab your engineering and post a photo of the waterfall part. Post it here or in a DM. If I am wrong then Im the biggest dick head here. If Im right then there is still time to fix it. Your call. Im out.

Why dont you just get his number and go over to his place and bring a 6 pack and offer your advice in person. Win win and you can stop being the biggest dickhead ....
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[Moody]

How do you know that it is 4500psi concrete, the lid could be specced out at a whole different mix design. Different types of reinforcement could be used to accommodate as well. I am by no means a pool guy, but I might know a thing or two about concrete and reinforcement.

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Well...I'm a pool guy and waterfall guy. License Contractor. Besides that lath was tide up tight to the rebar. They should of used dobies or chairs. #3 rebar needs 1.5" coverage on both sides. #4 needs 2" coverage. All 4500 mix. It's like pouring a driveway and leaving the wire mesh or rebar on the dirt and not pulling it up as you pour. No Bueno.

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[buck35]

I don't know shiot aboutp pools, but am anxious to see the finished product....

 

[boatpi]

I’ll have more posted this weekend. And to satisfy inquiring minds, my contractor told me they still need to add at least four more inches of concrete to the top .

 

[HCP3]

Damn that pool is going to be badass. When is the first RDP party?

 

[GRADS]

Hate to tell you but, that's some ugly rockwork. And that lid. Its going to crack and you will have alkali on the ceiling. I hope the price was right.

Damn, that’s a dickhead comment, and if I say it’s a dickhead comment it’s a super dickhead comment.

 

[rivermobster]

Damn, that’s a dickhead comment, and if I say it’s a dickhead comment it’s a super dickhead comment.

Yep yep.

Don't you have a bit of experience in this field as well??

 

[Nordie]

Well...I'm a pool guy and waterfall guy. License Contractor. Besides that lath was tide up tight to the rebar. They should of used dobies or chairs. #3 rebar needs 1.5" coverage on both sides. #4 needs 2" coverage. All 4500 mix. It's like pouring a driveway and leaving the wire mesh or rebar on the dirt and not pulling it up as you pour. No Bueno.

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So why would the coverage change whether it is 3/8"s or 1/2"? If my math is correct in your assumption that it's only 3s or 4s you have a lot more coverage than 2 inches.

I really don't want to piss in boatpi's thread anymore though.

Just a heads up I do rebar for a living, and I have tied a couple commercial pools, and there was 3" coverage on 4s.

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[Moody]

So why would the coverage change whether it is 3/8"s or 1/2"? If my math is correct in your assumption that it's only 3s or 4s you have a lot more coverage than 2 inches.

I really don't want to piss in boatpi's thread anymore though.

Just a heads up I do rebar for a living, and I have tied a couple commercial pools, and there was 3" coverage on 4s.

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I Dont know why? Its code. Someone else makes the rules. The problem here is, ya he might have coverage, but its with a stucco mix. Not strong. Code is 4500 psi mix design. I see it all the time. They will flash the rebar/lath with 4500 and then use their texture mix/stucco mix to get the coverage requirement and then the structure fails a year down the road. Builder give a one year warranty and customer is screwed. Call me a Dick head all you want. I know what I talking about.

 

[milkmoney]

I Dont know why? Its code. Someone else makes the rules. The problem here is, ya he might have coverage, but its with a stucco mix. Not strong. Code is 4500 psi mix design. I see it all the time. They will flash the rebar/lath with 4500 and then use their texture mix/stucco mix to get the coverage requirement and then the structure fails a year down the road. Builder give a one year warranty and customer is screwed. Call me a Dick head all you want. I know what I talking about.

Dickhead. Lol [emoji39][emoji202]

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[Nordie]

Dickhead. Lol [emoji39][emoji202]

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X2

The whole ordeal is you can't really make assumptions by a few pictures.

I don't really think you're a dick @Moody, just kind of came off as one

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[Moody]

I Dont know why? Its code. Someone else makes the rules. The problem here is, ya he might have coverage, but its with a stucco mix. Not strong. Code is 4500 psi mix design. I see it all the time. They will flash the rebar/lath with 4500 and then use their texture mix/stucco mix to get the coverage requirement and then the structure fails a year down the road. Builder give a one year warranty and customer is screwed. Call me a Dick head all you want. I know what I talking about.

For those of you that are interested....This is rebar rusting due to lack of coverage and stucco mix.

 

[CobraDave]

Moody may come off Moody but I might take his advice....


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[SoCalDave]

Boy talk about thread crapping...

 

[Moody]

Moody may come off Moody but I might take his advice....


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Your the first to get the Nick name!!!!!! Ya. Ill keep my mouth shut about lifters, camshafts, boating on lake Tahoe, building houses in Havasu. But when I comes to this....I voice my opinion. Its all good.

 

[Icky]

I think the point you were trying to make got lost in the way it was delivered.
I personally thought it looked thin, but I dont build pools for a living nor am I and engineer so I left it alone cause I only wish I could do something like that in my bad yard.

For those of you that are interested....This is rebar rusting due to lack of coverage and stucco mix.

 

[Tank]

I think Moody’s bed side manner needs some assistance but he’s trying to offer professional advise. Obviously well versed in the area and even offered to talk direct to BoatPI. Remember it’s difficult to read intent and inflection via text.

It’s worth at least bringing up the concerns to the builder. I would. I finally actually understand what moody is talking about after seeing the pics. That rebar rust bleed through looks like crap when it happens.

My advise moody, maybe a PM would’ve worked. But honestly good looking out.

Anyway, can’t wait to see this finished

 

[GRADS]

Could you imagine if someone had a boat build thread going and someone posted in it “Hate to tell you but those are some ugly ass gelcoat colors, hope the price was right”?