WiFi deadbolt

[sintax]

In my house they would kick the garage entry door in and be in my bedroom before I knew what was happening anyway.

Any lock can be picked manually and silently.

This whole argument is dumb because people were gaining entry silently into houses before smart devices were even invented.

It’s not like home burglaries started with the onset of Wifi deadbolts .

yea....

everyone ignores the fact bump keys exist.

ANYONE who has spent 15 min with a bump key can open any kwikset / schlage in a under 5 min, more or less silently.

 

[lbhsbz]

Technology scares the older folks, Sir!

Get off my lawn

 

[gqchris]

In my house they would kick the garage entry door in and be in my bedroom before I knew what was happening anyway.

Any lock can be picked manually and silently.

This whole argument is dumb because people were gaining entry silently into houses before smart devices were even invented.

It’s not like home burglaries started with the onset of Wifi deadbolts .

If you wanted security, buy an alarm system. It will go off when armed and a door opens regardless of lock technology.

Exactly. I don't feel anyone here has a fortified enough house to offset the risk of IoT devices. A typical single family residence just has too many entry points.

Guys, I work in IT. We spend millions on protecting systems. Guess whats 99% of the time is the reason for entry? Social Engineering, aka Human Error.

 

[gqchris]

Get off my lawn

 

[lbhsbz]

Exactly. I don't feel anyone here has a fortified enough house to offset the risk of IoT devices. A typical single family residence just has too many entry points.

Guys, I work in IT. We spend millions on protecting systems. Guess whats 99% of the time is the reason for entry? Social Engineering, aka Human Error.

So…if people would just use a fucking a key, walk out to their car to start it, and get off their ass to change the thermostat, we could collectively save millions?

 

[gqchris]

So…if people would just use a fucking a key, walk out to their car to start it, and get off their ass to change the thermostat, we could collectively save millions?

Not really, if people would secure their keys, aka passwords, not click bullshit links in emails, and know that when I call and say I am from IT not to give me their passwords, then we may make a dent in it!!!

 

[lbhsbz]

Not really, if people would secure their keys, aka password, not click bullshit links in emails, and know that when I call and say I am from IT not to give me their passwords!!! LOL, then we could save millions.

But we wouldn’t have to pay guys like you if we did it my way

 

[rivergames]

I’m a geek when it comes to these. I’ve tried a few out and this is the best so for.

Schlage Encode​

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Schlage-Encode-Aged-Bronze-Single-Cylinder-Deadbolt-1-Cylinder-Electronic-Deadbolt-Lighted-Keypad-Touchscreen/1000815556?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-hdw-_-ggl-_-LIA_HDW_197_Security-_-1000815556-_-local-_-0-_-0&ds_rl=1286981&gbraid=0AAAAAD2B2W9GsZze07zzcnQJN3PMWZjB2&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlcDBq4Lr-QIVVsLCBB2MIA-tEAQYAyABEgLj7vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Nice! I just ordered one of these for my pad

 

[mbrown2]

But we wouldn’t have to pay guys like you if we did it my way

How about you get off the internet and go physically run around and tell everyone person to person about how you feel technology is making people lazy.... talk about hypocrisy... you are using social media to communicate amongst like minded individuals and share you think technology advances make us lazy... no disrespect...just seems ironic...

 

[Outdrive1]

Every corner of my house has cameras and I have two dogs. One will 100 percent bite a stranger, he protects our two year old like crazy. He bit River Dave when he thought he could just walk in unescorted and head down the hallway. Good luck hacking my locks and getting inside.

 

[lbhsbz]

How about you get off the internet and go physically run around and tell everyone person to person about how you feel technology is making people lazy.... talk about hypocrisy... you are using social media to communicate amongst like minded individuals and share you think technology advances make us lazy... no disrespect...just seems ironic...

It does make us lazy, but that's not my point. It comes with a significant cost. I would be VERY willing to do without a lot of this technology if it meant I could avoid all the costs involved....but the world has adopted it so now if I want to exist and do business in this world, I have to accept and embrace it to at least the minimum requirements. I'd be perfectly fine with mailed invoices and getting checks from customers, and I'm perfectly fine with phone calls to discuss things. I'm currently sitting here bouncing between FB messenger, PMs from a few web forums, 2 different emails, the occasional phone call and text from 4 different random people this morning. It's a pain in the ass, to be honest.....and costs keep going up....the platforms worked fine when they were cheap, but the reason they're more complex and more expensive now is in the name of "security". It will never stop. It will keep getting more expensive as security continues to become compromised such that at some point nobody will be afford to communicate except by phone or messenger pigeon and nobody will be able to afford a messenger pigeon or remember how to use a phone and actually speak to a living person at that point.

 

[gqchris]

It does make us lazy, but that's not my point. It comes with a significant cost. I would be VERY willing to do without a lot of this technology if it meant I could avoid all the costs involved....but the world has adopted it so now if I want to exist and do business in this world, I have to accept and embrace it to at least the minimum requirements. I'd be perfectly fine with mailed invoices and getting checks from customers, and I'm perfectly fine with phone calls to discuss things. I'm currently sitting here bouncing between FB messenger, PMs from a few web forums, 2 different emails, the occasional phone call and text from 4 different random people this morning. It's a pain in the ass, to be honest.....and costs keep going up....the platforms worked fine when they were cheap, but the reason they're more complex and more expensive now is in the name of "security". It will never stop. It will keep getting more expensive as security continues to become compromised such that at some point nobody will be afford to communicate except by phone or messenger pigeon and nobody will be able to afford a messenger pigeon or remember how to use a phone and actually speak to a living person at that point.

But this same technology allows you to work your business you started from your home without the added costs of a Storefront, Yellow Page Ads, Chamber of Commerce memberships and tradeshows etc etc etc.

Its just different times. Business is done different now, and I agree, some things sucks about it.

 

[mbrown2]

It does make us lazy, but that's not my point. It comes with a significant cost. I would be VERY willing to do without a lot of this technology if it meant I could avoid all the costs involved....but the world has adopted it so now if I want to exist and do business in this world, I have to accept and embrace it to at least the minimum requirements. I'd be perfectly fine with mailed invoices and getting checks from customers, and I'm perfectly fine with phone calls to discuss things. I'm currently sitting here bouncing between FB messenger, PMs from a few web forums, 2 different emails, the occasional phone call and text from 4 different random people this morning. It's a pain in the ass, to be honest.....and costs keep going up....the platforms worked fine when they were cheap, but the reason they're more complex and more expensive now is in the name of "security". It will never stop. It will keep getting more expensive as security continues to become compromised such that at some point nobody will be afford to communicate except by phone or messenger pigeon and nobody will be able to afford a messenger pigeon or remember how to use a phone and actually speak to a living person at that point.

Sounds a lot like my day.... Mike Tyson was ahead of his time raising those pigeons! I work in technology but I don't look forward to the day my food is delivered by a drone...

This forum will likely embrace technology the day Ex Machina is on blow out (no pun intended) pricing on Black Friday or Cyber Monday!

 

[lbhsbz]

But this same technology allows you to work your business you started from your home without the added costs of a Storefront, Yellow Page Ads, Chamber of Commerce memberships and tradeshows etc etc etc.

Its just different times. Business is done different now, and I agree, some things sucks about it.

My business would be fine...probably better if all I had, and all anyone else had, was a goddam phone. People call me on the phone to tell me they sent me an email/some sort of message/etc. Why not just call me the on the phone and tell me what you want/need and then I'll give it to you? That's to "hard".

 

[Taboma]

Technology scares the older folks, Sir!

Older folks actually know how to perform tasks that modern youth are rapidly losing skills to accomplish.
Besides, I personally, prefer simplicity in my personal life. Yet in business, would happily make your life as complicated as you desired, could afford or regulations mandated.

 

[Taboma]

I have this app called a brick. It goes into your window and allows me to gain entry into your house to toggle your lights, reset your temp and remove your belongings

I don't know why we are so concerned about a wifi lock when someone that wants in your house can gain access in 2 seconds anyway. This isn't Mission Impossible. No one is going to waste time "hacking" your deadbolt.

It's OK, I'm not judging you as a result of your obvious addiction. Not all is lost, help is available if you reach out and I understand now, they're even offering Analog Re-Education and Re-Training. Course includes, setting a thermostat, inserting and turning a key, pressing on a decor switch and even old school flippin a toggle style.
You'd be surprised how quickly you'll catch on to those forgotten skills.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

I'm curious, how does it make me lazy if I have a Wi-Fi thermostat? Because I chose to turn the temperature down a couple hours before I arrive at he house instead of walking into a hot house and turning it down on the thermostat? How does it make me lazy if I have Wi-Fi garage doors? Because I have the ability to open my garage doors remotely if someone I know is in Havasu and needs to get a tool or something in my garage and they do not have a garage door opener for my garage? Same with the door from the garage to the house having a Wi-Fi lock? Am I lazy because I can unlock it and let someone in if I am not there? How much difference is there in the amount of work it takes you to put a key in a lock and turn it as opposed to someone getting on there phone and hitting a button to unlock a door?

I guess you missed the smiley face. It's called a joke. Or maybe sarcasm. Try to lighten up.

 

[rivermobster]

Welcome to RDP, I see you are knew.

It's new.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It's new.

Know it is knot.

 

[Mcintyrelocal]

Technology scares the older folks, Sir!

I would just about guarantee that all these people saying they are afraid of security issues with these things have all purchased from Amazon and have probably ordered pizza online and there banking information is saved online somewhere so, as LHG said there are far more critical things to be worried about than hacking digital door locks.... Just saying.

 

[spectra3279]

Convenience

So the thieves can break into the house without breaking the door.

 

[spectra3279]

Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand why these tools would be considered stupid? For a house that we don't live at full time, all these things offer some security. The wifi door lock tells me everytime my doors are unlocked and locked whether I'm near the house or not. The wifi thermostat let's us control the air before we head out to the house and I can also check on the temp of the house at any time so that if our air ever went out with our dogs in the house we know whether or not it would be at a dangerous temp in the house for them.. I dont get the criticism I guess...

I can kinda see that for the thermostat. Technology has a place. I work in the field and I don't trust other people that much.

For the notification of the door opening, a motion sensor can do the same thing but can't be hacked to open the door

 

[spectra3279]

I don’t even carry any keys anymore except for my truck key fob.

My truck and my mercedes has keys. So I'm good with a couple more.

 

[spectra3279]

I spent the last 20 years of my 50 year career installing the most advanced building automation, Illumination, theatrical controls, industrial process controls, and DOD security systems.
I have as little of any of that in my personal life as possible. The reasons are simple and basic. I prefer fewer security vulnerabilities, simplicity of design and troubleshooting, simplicity of DIY repair or replacement, and not being as dependent on others should a problem arise.
Drove my "Techie" son who's career is following in his ole man's footsteps buggy, he didn't get it. Where he embraces the "Convenience" he feels technology offers him, I shun it's added layers of complexity of having digital controlling analog.
I view the industry marketing shrinks as using this "Convenience" as the lure, the chum if you will. It's addicting, the marketing geniuses know this, it doesn't take long and you're daily life will be programmed around every aspect of these technological devices and entertainment.

I don't personally think you're lazy, or stupid, or anything negative at all. I think for the sake of convenience you're content with giving up some independence, that I am not. Where some embrace convenience, I embrace simplicity.
For the same reason the general populace embraces phone Apps, and I have as few as possible, I don't need them and I see no reason to become a slave to them, or the lure of technology any more than I'm forced to.

When I worked at Northrop, I pissed off our security really bad. Like to the point I was almost fired. One of our buildings had big glass doors. Had a card reader to get access. I call security and basically said you guys are not doing your job. I can get in this door in 30 seconds without setting off a single alarm. He basically said bullshit. I then showed him. I took a coat hanger and straightened it. Taped a piece of paper to the end and then stuck it through the 1 inch gap between the doors. I waved it around for a couple of seconds and tripped the motion sensor for people leaving. Opened the door and walked in. Dispshit tried to get me fired.

Yeah, so I don't trust internet enabled home safety devices. The only secure computer is one that is still in the box and has never been opened

 

[STV_Keith]

We use a Nest lock at work for our entry door. It's made by Yale I believe.

 

[Taboma]

When I worked at Northrop, I pissed off our security really bad. Like to the point I was almost fired. One of our buildings had big glass doors. Had a card reader to get access. I call security and basically said you guys are not doing your job. I can get in this door in 30 seconds without setting off a single alarm. He basically said bullshit. I then showed him. I took a coat hanger and straightened it. Taped a piece of paper to the end and then stuck it through the 1 inch gap between the doors. I waved it around for a couple of seconds and tripped the motion sensor for people leaving. Opened the door and walked in. Dispshit tried to get me fired.

Yeah, so I don't trust internet enabled home safety devices. The only secure computer is one that is still in the box and has never been opened

Sounds like a day I had at Martin Marietta back in the mid 80's. This was their DARPA Star Wars R&D facility.
I was doing all their electrical and had acquired various clearances in order to work where necessary. I was also doing additions to their existing DOD approved security system.
One day while reading the manual and performing system checks and programming I happened across something that troubled me. It appeared to be a vulnerability that would allow someone to temporarily shut-down the system without triggering any alarms, only show up when the logs were reviewed later.
So I left the campus, went to a nearby center and using pay phone, momentarily shut the system down, at an exact time and for a prescribed couple of minutes. When I returned I said nothing to the officer on duty, other than asking to check the logs --- sure enough, mission accomplished.
Now, armed with the info and proud as a peacock I'd exposed the system flaw, I marched into the head of security's office to report it.
The head of security was an X-Marine, and SHE resembled a Russian Weight lifter, a mean one to boot.

She about flipped her cookies, instead of thanks and appreciation, I was subject to intense interrogation. Who I might have told, how it was discovered, how I tested it, on and on.
We got the vulnerability fixed, nobody was the wiser, and the hit men never showed up at my home.
There was a point in all this I was wishing I'd never found it and this was becoming a movie I'm sure I'd seen, where the good Samaritan dies.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

When I worked at Northrop, I pissed off our security really bad. Like to the point I was almost fired. One of our buildings had big glass doors. Had a card reader to get access. I call security and basically said you guys are not doing your job. I can get in this door in 30 seconds without setting off a single alarm. He basically said bullshit. I then showed him. I took a coat hanger and straightened it. Taped a piece of paper to the end and then stuck it through the 1 inch gap between the doors. I waved it around for a couple of seconds and tripped the motion sensor for people leaving. Opened the door and walked in. Dispshit tried to get me fired.

Yeah, so I don't trust internet enabled home safety devices. The only secure computer is one that is still in the box and has never been opened

Im struggling to see how a motion detector is related in any way to a WiFi enabled dead bolt

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sounds like a day I had at Martin Marietta back in the mid 80's. This was their DARPA Star Wars R&D facility.
I was doing all their electrical and had acquired various clearances in order to work where necessary. I was also doing additions to their existing DOD approved security system.
One day while reading the manual and performing system checks and programming I happened across something that troubled me. It appeared to be a vulnerability that would allow someone to temporarily shut-down the system without triggering any alarms, only show up when the logs were reviewed later.
So I left the campus, went to a nearby center and using pay phone, momentarily shut the system down, at an exact time and for a prescribed couple of minutes. When I returned I said nothing to the officer on duty, other than asking to check the logs --- sure enough, mission accomplished.
Now, armed with the info and proud as a peacock I'd exposed the system flaw, I marched into the head of security's office to report it.
The head of security was an X-Marine, and SHE resembled a Russian Weight lifter, a mean one to boot.

She about flipped her cookies, instead of thanks and appreciation, I was subject to intense interrogation. Who I might have told, how it was discovered, how I tested it, on and on.
We got the vulnerability fixed, nobody was the wiser, and the hit men never showed up at my home.
There was a point in all this I was wishing I'd never found it and this was becoming a movie I'm sure I'd seen, where the good Samaritan dies.

That was before Al Gore even invented the internet!

 

[spectra3279]

Im struggling to see how a motion detector is related in any way to a WiFi enabled dead bolt

Piss poor security. That's how it's related.

 

[elco]

Love my wifi locks. I have the schlag deadbolt and myq garage. Deadbolt autolocks itself, can verify its locked when away from the house, can open it for anybody that needs to get in if im not home, and this may scare some of you but amazon can deliver your packages inside your garage or door if you connect the lock to your prime account.

 

[Taboma]

That was before Al Gore even invented the internet!

Some members were googling "Pay Phone"

 

[jailbird141]

So the thieves can break into the house without breaking the door.

But then I would get an alert on my phone, as well as from my house alarm. Someone with a shaved key or who is halfway decent at picking locks can get into your house just as easy and maybe just as quick depending how good they are. Like others have said, technology has its place. I am not saying its perfect or its the best option, just that it is convenient. Nothing to be afraid of. If someone wants inside your house or your car bad enough, they will get in, regardless of how many keys you are carrying around.

 

[Wmc]

I'm going to buy one for my garage/pool bathroom. Because I'am too lazy to walk around to unlock it. I rather put in a code. Right now I'm thinking did I lock it yesterday. If I had it on my phone I would know. And Roscoe is always here.