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are we putting up with this?
are we putting up with this?
new law pat down then treat...done
A lot of valid points.I never understood bringing these guys back.
I understand wanting too safe people, and I am for that when possible, but you can not change people. Only they can change themselves. This guy clearly was not you g to change
Many agency's already have that policy. What happens if they find something? Do they remove it or wait until Leo arives too secure it? What happens if the guy dies in the time it takes for them to arrive? Sadly lawyers get envoleved and all that does is cost money and make policy worse.new law pat down then treat...done
A lot of valid points.
The first rule of medicine is do no harm, so as long as we have the means to save a life we will.
The second point about patting down a patient is critical. We must have an officer pat down patients before we wake them up from their heroin induced coma. Unfortunately their aren't nearly enough cops do that, so we should only give enough Narcan to keep them breathing.
A lot of valid points.
The first rule of medicine is do no harm, so as long as we have the means to save a life we will.
The second point about patting down a patient is critical. We must have an officer pat down patients before we wake them up from their heroin induced coma. Unfortunately their aren't nearly enough cops do that, so we should only give enough Narcan to keep them breathing.
Not knowing about narcan dosing. Is that something that is easy to do or is it a guessing game based on how much you think is in thier system?
Both ways seem like a losing deal. No win all the way around.
First rule of EMS is scene safety.
I think I would have done a full body scan prior to administering the narcan. Once a weapon is discovered we would clear the scene and let LE take over and disarm. But it's easy to armchair quarterback this one. I'll be sending this video to our EMS training director.
Or worse, now needing to treat a gun shot wound... then again cops are not better at handling firearms..The first rule of medicine, and the first rule of EMS are different.
However, if you only give enough meds to keep them breathing, you don't have to worry about weapons. Additionally, most EMS and Fire personnel are not trained to do a proper search, which could result in a needle stick.
The first rule of medicine, and the first rule of EMS are different.
However, if you only give enough meds to keep them breathing, you don't have to worry about weapons. Additionally, most EMS and Fire personnel are not trained to do a proper search, which could result in a needle stick.
Where I work the average response time for Fire/EMS is about 5min, LEO can vary drastically. If we put out a "help call" they get there quickly, which I appreciate. If we add PD for an overdose, I'll rarely see them, because they don't have the time or resources.Ok so it is a simple thing. So can I ask what the average response time is for Leo? I live down a country road. The local sheriff is about 2 miles further down. Calling him at home would get him here in under 5 mins. A deputy is on average 20 mins. That is assuming one is free. Not many out there in this part of the county as it's pretty crime free. I think a lot of that is do to every one is armed at all times. When I hear a rifle go off, I wait for the " got um" or " damn it" I always know rather they got they coyote or not.
Or worse, now needing to treat a gun shot wound... then again cops are not better at handling firearms..
Not at all, PD is stretched thin, so we only put out a help call when we need help. I never lie. That's not to say they couldn't use additional staffingSo in other words you have to lie too them to get them too show up. Which I get is a staffing issue, but still sad
20 miles from hula hq.
He has been on a bit of a tirade today.As if the comments in the other LEO thread weren't enough, you have to muddy up this thread too?? C'mon YB.![]()
I think the better question would be, why are we reviving all these losers!
I understand from the Hippocratic oath point of view, what really irritates me is the public funding that is spent on all these losers over and over and over again.Hippocratic oath, I would imagine.
Paramedics dont take that, that is why a paramedic is the one that pushes the lethal injection meds. Nurses and doctors take the oath so legally they can't push the meds.Hippocratic oath, I would imagine.
are we putting up with this?
I understand from the Hippocratic oath point of view, what really irritates me is the public funding that is spent on all these losers over and over and over again.
Paramedics dont take that, that is why a paramedic is the one that pushes the lethal injection meds. Nurses and doctors take the oath so legally they can't push the meds.
I don't believe that's true. We take an oath and the first rule is...Paramedics dont take that, that is why a paramedic is the one that pushes the lethal injection meds. Nurses and doctors take the oath so legally they can't push the meds.