Why do amusement parks and baseball stadiums have metal detectors

[Bigbore500r]

......and not schools?

I'm pro gun, but WTF.

95% of schools are controlled access / closed campus, and you enter thru a few designated points. What would it take to put a damn metal detector and a gaurd at those points? Stop guns, stop knifes, pipes....whatever. None of that crap should be able to get on campus.

Between controlling campus access, and ensuring there is at least 1 (depending on school size) competent security / police officer that is armed on premises, it seems like you could wipe this shit out.

I know it doesn't solve everything, or the core issue at hand, but we can't continue to do nothing and let schools get shredded until we figure out how to solve that *mental health / gun safety* issue.

Ask any parent what their most precious asset is....and it's your kids.

Thoughts?

 

[Riverfamlee]

Interesting topic. I believe some schools do and it depends on the area.

 

[shintoooo]

I'm always worried about my son and daughter's high school. There is absolutely zero security there. You can drive right in and walk into any classroom. No police presence at all and the gate is always open. Granted it's a very nice area but that doesn't mean shit these days.

 

[Riverfamlee]

Had to confirm

 

[Bigbore500r]

I'm always worried about my son and daughter's high school. There is absolutely zero security there. You can drive right in and walk into any classroom. No police presence at all and the gate is always open. Granted it's a very nice area but that doesn't mean shit these days.

I hear you. It's a catch 22. Open campus and beautiful environment VS safety.

 

[RodnJen]

Because most schools in CA were built a long time ago and were not designed to be fenced, let alone have entry/exits to have detectors

 

[TPC]

The heaviest entrance security you'll ever experience is Disneyland. It's a lot more than is visible.
High value target for the bad guys.

Gang members pose a big threat too. They all carry something to hurt people with.
Most the Dizland takedowns between the Anaheim PD and thugs that we witness are at the tram loading stops. 99% of the drama is there. Evidently the PD and security know what to look for and they nail it fast.
I'm not talking family disputes.

I've thought of videoing them, nahh, I give the LEOS a break if they have to beat the bastards head against the concrete.
Some of those assholes put up a hell of a wrestling match. That's why the Leos take them down behind the bushes and planters. Pretty much out of sight.

If the LEO tears his pants it's $88 out of the Cops pocket BTW.

LAPD Sgt Friend is off duty security at Universal and most the recent remodeling the main theme was to remove gang attractors. That includes kicking out businesses.
He's had some spectacular fights with them. Never ending, always more come through the gate.

 

[HB2Havasu]

......and not schools?

I'm pro gun, but WTF.

95% of schools are controlled access / closed campus, and you enter thru a few designated points. What would it take to put a damn metal detector and a gaurd at those points? Stop guns, stop knifes, pipes....whatever. None of that crap should be able to get on campus.

Between controlling campus access, and ensuring there is at least 1 (depending on school size) competent security / police officer that is armed on premises, it seems like you could wipe this shit out.

I know it doesn't solve everything, or the core issue at hand, but we can't continue to do nothing and let schools get shredded until we figure out how to solve that *mental health / gun safety* issue.

Ask any parent what their most precious asset is....and it's your kids.

Thoughts?

I've been saying the same things for years. Sounds like a no brainer!!!!

Alas, they don't want to install metal detectors in schools. Instead they would rather just take away guns from all the law abiding citizens, so only criminals and terrorists have guns. Just like Mexico. SMH

 

[Bigbore500r]

Because most schools in CA were built a long time ago and were not designed to be fenced, let alone have entry/exits to have detectors

Sounds like we need some fences then! It's like saying your house wasn't originally design designed for kids, then just letting them die from falling in the pool, or from sticking toys in the electrical outlets.

 

[RodnJen]

Sounds like we need some fences then! It's like saying your house wasn't originally design designed for kids, then just letting them die from falling in the pool, or from sticking toys in the electrical outlets.

I get it. Our district just installed fencing around my daughter’s junior high. My boy starts there next year, I went there 40 years ago, my brother 50. Things have changed a little.

 

[Bigbore500r]

I get it. Our district just installed fencing around my daughter’s junior high. My boy starts there next year, I went there 40 years ago, my brother 50. Things have changed a little.

It's sad that it's needed, but i dont know what else to do at this point while we figure this shit out.

 

[hawgty55]

I believe the statist is that more than 90% of this bullshit happens in gun free locations.

 

[c_land]

Sounds like we need some fences then! It's like saying your house wasn't originally design designed for kids, then just letting them die from falling in the pool, or from sticking toys in the electrical outlets.

Fences and walls are racist.

 

[Cole Trickle]

My sons elementary school upgraded the fencing last year. They do a good job of locking all gates and anyone visiting the school has to accesses the campus through the administration office.

With that said none of that shit matters if someone wants to cause harm. Not enough security to watch every gate or every portion of the fence if someone wants in.

Today's event will end up being pretty light compared to what a really sick person with a plan could do.

 

[nameisbond]

I'm wondering about that for our schools as well. Currently we have a trial going on for a homeless youth who walked into a local high school. He stabbed two girls, one died.

 

[EBT531]

Some IL schools have them in the higher crime areas

 

[Singleton]

My sons elementary school upgraded the fencing last year. They do a good job of locking all gates and anyone visiting the school has to accesses the campus through the administration office.

With that said none of that shit matters if someone wants to cause harm. Not enough security to watch every gate or every portion of the fence if someone wants in.

Today's event will end up being pretty light compared to what a really sick person with a plan could do.

Agreed. Middle son’s school in Carlsbad had that fencing and someone still starting shooting at campus. Construction crew doing work at the school, ended up pinning him between truck and fence to stop the activity.

 

[musicFunsun]

I completely agree on the fences & metal detectors. Schools location shouldn’t matter

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Because most schools in CA were built a long time ago and were not designed to be fenced, let alone have entry/exits to have detectors

Most airports weren't designed for TSA checkpoints, but we put them in.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It's sad that it's needed, but i dont know what else to do at this point while we figure this shit out.

My high school had fences. But if someone wants to get in and do harm, they will.

 

[Bigbore500r]

My high school had fences. But if someone wants to get in and do harm, they will.

True with anything, but "see something say something". Guy jumps a 8' chainlink fence at 7:30am......pretty visible that shit is about to go down in some fashion. That's where having at least 1 armed guard / officer comes into play. Obviously you can't prevent everything but you gotta try to prevent what you can prevent.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

True with anything, but "see something say something". Guy jumps a 8' chainlink fence at 7:30am......pretty visible that shit is about to go down in some fashion. That's where having at least 1 armed guard / officer comes into play. Obviously you can't prevent everything but you gotta try to prevent what you can prevent.

Yea that's true. a High School is a big campus for 1 guard, but a person with a gun will likely deter 95% of these assholes from the schools.

I'm fine with the metal detectors, but those just keep the honest kids honest.

I think if the media orgy's stopped these attacks would die down drastically in a few years.

 

[Meaney77]

My high school had fences. But if someone wants to get in and do harm, they will.

Who says they have to "get in" a person with intent to do harm could do just as much damage hiding from a roof top from an adjacent building.

 

[pronstar]

......and not schools?

Same reason why school busses don’t have seatbelts.

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[pronstar]

The heaviest entrance security you'll ever experience is Disneyland. It's a lot more than is visible.
High value target for the bad guys.
.

As former season pass holders, I thought that was true.

But then shit like this happens and no security intervenes for a looong time.

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[Old Texan]

Detroit schools had fences around them back in the 70's.....To keep the kids in

 

[Bigbore500r]

Who says they have to "get in" a person with intent to do harm could do just as much damage hiding from a roof top from an adjacent building.

That is true, but it seems like most of these all happen inside the school, in the halls, classroom, etc. Can't stop everything, but seems like it's a minimum precaution that would prevent alot.....

 

[530RL]

It would cost a fortune and who would pay for it.

Everyone wants a safer environment, very few people have the ability or are willing to pay for it out of their pockets.

 

[Tom Slick]

I've been wondering the same thing. It seems rather straight forward to me to install proper fencing and gated access points which require student or administration I.D. to pass through. The system will take roll as the students pass through and they can not exit with out again presenting their student I.D. This lets the school know that the student is on campus or off.

I understand that fiances and gates are not a 100% fix, however it is a major deterrent.

I am also and advocate for school uniforms. Uniforms solve many issues.

1. Parents will save money by purchasing a handful of student uniforms per year.
2. Kids will not longer be judge on what they are wearing, reducing bullying.
3. Administration will no longer need to concern themselves with handling dress code issues.

 

[BajaT]

30 years ago I played a HS basketball game at Long Beach Poly. Played against Willie McGinest....Anyway, guard at gate as we entered campus. 30 years ago....

 

[Cole Trickle]

It would cost a fortune and who would pay for it.

Everyone wants a safer environment, very few people have the ability or are willing to pay for it out of their pockets.

Yep....

I couldn't even fathom what it would cost to implement these changes in CA Schools. Truth is the people responsible for making those decisions and changes can cry all they want about horrific situations like this but at the end of the day they are mostly worried about lining there pockets.

Bad Bat shit crazy will always figure out a way to cause harm......This is par for the course now we just have the media cramming it down our throat at a moments notice.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It would cost a fortune and who would pay for it.

Everyone wants a safer environment, very few people have the ability or are willing to pay for it out of their pockets.

Not here in CA. We vote for a tax increase nearly every time it is put on the ballot. And we get nothing out of them but a bullet train from nowhere to nowhere.

 

[Meaney77]

I have to ask, arent most if not all schools surrounded by fencing now? Just thinking, where I went to HS and JR high, they had fencing all around the campus and each fence opening had a "gnark" at each gate with a radio who checked your school ID's before they would let you on or off the school grounds.

Where my daughters go to elementary school and pre-school they are also fenced in and the only way to access is with a key pad code or going through the office.

So as far as cost- I couldn't imagine it being to over the top expensive to hire a few security guards with some sort of metal scanning device that give everyone a pat down and back pack search before entering the campus. Inconvenience yes ...but would be effective in these circumstances.

 

[2Driver]

The mass implementation of security measures we have seen since sept 11 is ridiculous.

 

[Ziggy]

It would cost a fortune and who would pay for it.

Everyone wants a safer environment, very few people have the ability or are willing to pay for it out of their pockets.

If only the correct people were voted in.......the ones we got now are protecting everyone but their citizens.

 

[Ziggy]

I have to ask, arent most if not all schools surrounded by fencing now? Just thinking, where I went to HS and JR high, they had fencing all around the campus and each fence opening had a "gnark" at each gate with a radio who checked your school ID's before they would let you on or off the school grounds.

Where my daughters go to elementary school and pre-school they are also fenced in and the only way to access is with a key pad code or going through the office.

So as far as cost- I couldn't imagine it being to over the top expensive to hire a few security guards with some sort of metal scanning device that give everyone a pat down and back pack search before entering the campus. Inconvenience yes ...but would be effective in these circumstances.

We only had fences where the ball fields were at otherwise you had in and egress pretty much everywhere. Made it easy to cut class and go surfing.
I drive by my alma mater now and it more resembles a jail.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

If Dodger stadium didn't have metal detectors , all the shootings , stabbings and beatings would happen inside the stadium instead of the parking lot ...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have to ask, arent most if not all schools surrounded by fencing now? Just thinking, where I went to HS and JR high, they had fencing all around the campus and each fence opening had a "gnark" at each gate with a radio who checked your school ID's before they would let you on or off the school grounds.

Where my daughters go to elementary school and pre-school they are also fenced in and the only way to access is with a key pad code or going through the office.

So as far as cost- I couldn't imagine it being to over the top expensive to hire a few security guards with some sort of metal scanning device that give everyone a pat down and back pack search before entering the campus. Inconvenience yes ...but would be effective in these circumstances.

I agree.. A great many of the schools are already fenced, and screen entry. My high school was fenced and screened entry and exit 25 years ago. There were a couple easy places to hop the fence to ditch class, but that is another story.

 

[530RL]

If only the correct people were voted in.......the ones we got now are protecting everyone but their citizens.

 

[Ziggy]

Gawd I miss that man

 

[Mr. C]

True with anything, but "see something say something". Guy jumps a 8' chainlink fence at 7:30am......pretty visible that shit is about to go down in some fashion.

That's another "times have changed" deal.
We would constantly jump the fence to get into or out of school all the time. Who wanted to walk 100 yards to go out the gate.

Just like the kids post on instagram.
(if we had instagram in my day) it would of just meant i was ditching school and going to the beach or something.

 

[WhatExit?]

Simple answer: Amusement parks and baseball stadiums are FOR PROFIT BUSINESSES. Schools are GOVERNMENT OWNED & OPERATED. Nuff said.

 

[TeamGreene]

Been saying since Parkland that every school needs to have entrances/exits controlled and have at least one K9 cop on site. One dog would go a long way to providing more safety. Not the end all be all but it would be a start.

 

[Bigbore500r]

That's another "times have changed" deal.
We would constantly jump the fence to get into or out of school all the time. Who wanted to walk 100 yards to go out the gate.

Just like the kids post on instagram.
(if we had instagram in my day) it would of just meant i was ditching school and going to the beach or something.

Kids jumping fence to get OUTof school - truant, skipping school, whatever.......

Kid jumping fence to get INTO school around metal detector........something else!

 

[braindead]

Most airports weren't designed for TSA checkpoints, but we put them in.

Hold on, you're actually comparing the federal govt budget to a state school district budget... holy fuck, what barn were u born in?

 

[Shlbyntro]

You cant control everything. It fucking sucks but it is the God honest truth. Life happens, the good and the bad; in what you're referring to I'm assuming the bad that happened in ca today. Mental health issue, or gun violence is a cop out. Civil unrest is more along the right path.

We have hard working, tax paying folks; and "privelaged," living-off-the-system folks fighting for their rights in this country with many young and sometimes confused ("confused" is a terrible word but the best at the moment to describe it) people fighting for the future of this country. Sadly it does lead to these crazy and unspeakable situations.

I personally however, would not trade my personal safety for the freedoms guaranteed to me by the constitution of these united states for anything in the world and would defend those freedoms.

God speed to any lives that were lost and nothing but positive thoughts and hopes for all of our lives and futures.

-Breck McVay

 

[TPC]

As former season pass holders, I thought that was true.

But then shit like this happens and no security intervenes for a looong time.

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Like I said, "I'm not talking family disputes."
What you see in that video is extremely rare.

I'm talking gangs and terrorists.

 

[LowRiver2]

The heaviest entrance security you'll ever experience is Disneyland. It's a lot more than is visible.
High value target for the bad guys.

Gang members pose a big threat too. They all carry something to hurt people with.
Most the Dizland takedowns between the Anaheim PD and thugs that we witness are at the tram loading stops. 99% of the drama is there. Evidently the PD and security know what to look for and they nail it fast.
I'm not talking family disputes.

I've thought of videoing them, nahh, I give the LEOS a break if they have to beat the bastards head against the concrete.
Some of those assholes put up a hell of a wrestling match. That's why the Leos take them down behind the bushes and planters. Pretty much out of sight.

If the LEO tears his pants it's $88 out of the Cops pocket BTW.

LAPD Sgt Friend is off duty security at Universal and most the recent remodeling the main theme was to remove gang attractors. That includes kicking out businesses.
He's had some spectacular fights with them. Never ending, always more come through the gate.

That’s because other LAPD counter parts like me kicked them out of Dodgers and Staples center
You get rid of gangsters by raising prices,
Plain and simple
Sucks for everyone else, hence another reason to move

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hold on, you're actually comparing the federal govt budget to a state school district budget... holy fuck, what barn were u born in?

No braindead I’m not. Re read what I quoted and my response that you have quoted

A lot of high schools in CA are already partially or completely fenced in anyway. The comment was about the feasibility of building physical fencing, not the cost. It is never going to happen anyway because of the costs, so this is all moot.

 

[LowRiver2]

The answer is cost and who pays for it.

The feds, state govt, don’t want to foot the bill

that will change when the first bombing campaign hits schools

Just like Bomb Dog handlers will stop opening “unattended bags”, when they actually open an IED and it goes off

The odds today are suburban schools have much higher risk of a shooting than urban schools based on all data since columbine.

Really the best bet for safety is private schools.
Majority of posters here could afford private schools if they sold their toys off

I would if I felt my public school wasn’t safe, I’m considering private high school.