What say the P&G brain trust?

[Skinny Tire AH]

As just a point of curiosity, Those whom are not a fan or Trump or even Conservative philosophies, are you OK with the manner in which the system is attempting to remove a President?
(I know, Trump isn't really a conservative, no argument)

I don't think anyone can deny this is a full court press to remove Trump, and his entire administration.

What say you all?

Steve

 

[Racey]

They harder they have pushed, the more my indifferent support has galvanized into deeper and deeper support. They relentless manner in which they are going after him, and continually coming up with zero evidence after wasting billions in resources, time, etc, and Trump always comes out one step ahead has made more and more a supporter of me.

The way the crybaby left continues their pathetic tantrums, the more it shows the world just how disconnected and mind warped to cult like religious proportions they are.


Keep it up snowflakes, every crocodile tear breeds another supporter from an indifferent citizen.


Quite frankly it's sad to think that this many Americans can be this level of worthless losers, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, no self responsibility.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Agree Racey,

I would venture to guess that there are literally MILLIONS of fair minded Regan Democrats that see this for exactly what it is. This is frightening to me to see my country literally try to overturn the results of an election, simply because they don't like the results.

Oh...Trump said Pussy...:eek

 

[was thatguy]

As just a point of curiosity, Those whom are not a fan or Trump or even Conservative philosophies, are you OK with the manner in which the system is attempting to remove a President?
(I know, Trump isn't really a conservative, no argument)

I don't think anyone can deny this is a full court press to remove Trump, and his entire administration.

What say you all?

Steve

If I may,
Trump was never supposed to win. The Conservative machine never took him serious until it was too late...the liberal regime was ecstatic when he (against ALL odds) won the primary.
Killary and her bosses saw it as allowing a cake walk to the big chair...as per plan.
Bernie was bought off for less than the cost of a supercar, like swatting a mosquito of Killarys arm.

But what was underestimated, and what is now being ignored to say the least, is that the PEOPLE put Trump in office. Now, that action is being completely shit on by the ENTIRE established DC power brokers and their bosses.
The sheep seem to think it's some telling "flaw" that Trump is roundly despised by both the right and left assholes on the Hill, they seem oblivious to the fact of why he got elected.

So yes, any and all measures will be employed to remove Trump from the office he was NEVER supposed to hold.
Sadly, those individuals who champion this and crow wildly while salivating with every anti Trump article they can google fail to realize that they are being used.

They simply can not grasp the concept that what we have done...against every odd...is disrupt the status quo.
It happens to be Trump that we put there, but to me it is the whole notion of the will of the people overcoming staggering odds.

It's sad that they can't understand the opportunity we have, and likely will not ever have again.
Yet they celebrate the efforts of those who actually hold them in contempt and who want nothing more than to subjegate them.

I think that they just can't picture the reality of the whole scenario?
They think everything is a conspiracy theory, and what they are shown and told is the truth.

Last years Bilderberg meeting focused on dealing with Trump. Graham was told to influence congress conservative against Trump.
The American attendees were stacked with media big shots. We see this influence from the MSM as the "full court press" you describe.

None of this is theory, the list is public and the outline of minutes is online.

Why some refuse to see what is going on is baffling to me.

 

[530RL]

They harder they have pushed, the more my indifferent support has galvanized into deeper and deeper support. They relentless manner in which they are going after him, and continually coming up with zero evidence after wasting billions in resources, time, etc, and Trump always comes out one step ahead has made more and more a supporter of me.

The way the crybaby left continues their pathetic tantrums, the more it shows the world just how disconnected and mind warped to cult like religious proportions they are.


Keep it up snowflakes, every crocodile tear breeds another supporter from an indifferent citizen.


Quite frankly it's sad to think that this many Americans can be this level of worthless losers, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, no self responsibility.

Noted,

People who disagree with Trump's policies have no self responsibility.......

Consistent with your premise, maybe I should skip my June 15th estimated tax payment; after all, anyone who disagrees with Trump's policies is just a "worthless loser, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, with no self responsibility."

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Great analysis Tommy.

I find it amazing how the guys in here, (whom for the most part I enjoy debating) are taking glee, almost a childish, giddy obsession with an attempted "soft overthrow" of a legally elected President of the United States of America. Just think about those words. America is in the balance here. We survived Obama, we would have likely survived HRC, had she won. This country CANNOT survive overthrowing a sitting President, simply because he doesn't fit some narrative.

What would America look like if we (all of us) allow the voice of America to be overturned for no legal or prudent reason? If that occurs, we have lost our voting franchise.

 

[was thatguy]

Great analysis Tommy.

I find it amazing how the guys in here, (whom for the most part I enjoy debating) are taking glee, almost a childish, giddy obsession with an attempted "soft overthrow" of a legally elected President of the United States of America. Just think about those words. America is in the balance here. We survived Obama, we would have likely survived HRC, had she won. This country CANNOT survive overthrowing a sitting President, simply because he doesn't fit some narrative.

What would America look like if we (all of us) allow the voice of America to be overturned for no legal or prudent reason? If that occurs, we have lost our voting franchise.

It's their entire focus.
The curious part is that they offer no real option...they simply "hate" Trump.
I've asked 86 twice who his regretful voter friends wish they had voted for...no answer yet.

I'm wondering WHY they regret their vote? How exactly has Trump failed them?
Even with the full court press against him from every angle he has actually made progress on campaign promises.
Some not even by direct action.

 

[saucedaddy]

Are we still discussing The Game Show Host? The American experiment has failed lets release the chastity belt and move on with Pencer!:fsakes

 

[was thatguy]

Are we still discussing The Game Show Host? The American experiment has failed lets release the chastity belt and move on with Pencer!:fsakes

How and why has it "failed"?

 

[jet496]

Noted,

People who disagree with Trump's policies have no self responsibility.......

Consistent with your premise, maybe I should skip my June 15th estimated tax payment; after all, anyone who disagrees with Trump's policies is just a "worthless loser, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, with no self responsibility."

It's the manner that they disagree. Totally childish & as disrespectful to our country that you can get. Love it or leave it baby.

 

[530RL]

It's their entire focus.
The curious part is that they offer no real option...they simply "hate" Trump.
I've asked 86 twice who his regretful voter friends wish they had voted for...no answer yet.

I'm wondering WHY they regret their vote? How exactly has Trump failed them?
Even with the full court press against him from every angle he has actually made progress on campaign promises.
Some not even by direct action.

I'm gonna point out the obvious.

If Trumpcare goes through as currently contemplated, your wife, my brother and I can have our health insurance cancelled. Maybe it happens and maybe it does not but if it does, no whining on your part. Let the record be clear, you support that, I do not.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

How and why has it "failed"?

This is a what I mean by some gleeful obsession with his attempted removal.

He has obviously failed because the GS Warriors aren't going to the White House. Isn't that obvious? If the NBA rejects him, he must suck.

 

[was thatguy]

I'm gonna point out the obvious.

If Trumpcare goes through as currently contemplated, your wife, my brother and I can have our health insurance cancelled. Maybe it happens and maybe it does not but if it does, no whining on your part. Let the record be clear, you support that, I do not.

I don't know the particulars of your brother, but the initial research I have done shows Deb not being disqualified.
We check all the boxes.
The reason we do is directly due to what you always (correctly) tout...personal responsibility. (Debs more than my own I must say.)
Thanks to Deb forcing me to pay premiums on her PPO policy for the last 12 years, and never having any breaks in coverage, we have avoided pitfalls of both ocare, and Trumpcare as it is proposed currently.

I think you can agree, however, that nothing Trump proposes will be passed given the anti trump climate on the hill...as is the very premise of this thread.

 

[AzGeo]

Noted,

People who disagree with Trump's policies have no self responsibility.......

Consistent with your premise, maybe I should skip my June 15th estimated tax payment; after all, anyone who disagrees with Trump's policies is just a "worthless loser, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, with no self responsibility."

However, it is YOU who just LABELED Trump haters, not us .

It is YOU who is offering YOUR IRRATIONAL RESPONSE (once again) into debate and doing so with NO CONSISTENCY !

NO, not everyone who disagrees with trump is a loser !

In fact many are Liberal Sheeple, Hollywood idiots, some are union members, others never had a job, and many are illegals, a few are college graduates, with no jobs or prospects, but plenty of loan debt.

So for YOU to hypothetically RATIONALIZE not paying taxes because of the group of CITIZENS you identify with leads you on that path, I wonder if you are being OVERPAID in your current job .

Do public opinions often drive you to 'knowingly break the law' ?

FALSE OUTRAGE is your term and it is 'correct' (IMO) in this moment .

No matter what you CLAIM, you cannot deny that 'liberal protesters' have done great damage across this nation .
When anyone 'identifies' with those who 'claim wrongdoing' without any actual PROOF, any REASONABLE ADULT would question where the FACTS ARE .

Liberal 'crime seekers', have offered no proof (over 6 months of investigations) , and this country wants to know how long this 'witch hunt' will go on .

The Democrats and their liberal followers need to take RESPONSIBILITY for the crimes, violence, and distruction done, while they 'claim valid reasons' to RESIST TRUMP .

IF you want to 'tear this country apart', go ahead . Just understand that 'your liberal socialism' will destroy the USA, and some people will do everything they can to stop you .

OR, you could just 'block' some Arizona highway with your body, and I'll send you a bill for the damages your body did to my car .....................

 

[500bbc]

Agree Racey,

I would venture to guess that there are literally MILLIONS of fair minded Regan Democrats that see this for exactly what it is. This is frightening to me to see my country literally try to overturn the results of an election, simply because they don't like the results.

Oh...Trump said Pussy...:eek

You're divisive!

 

[Old Texan]

In my 66 years I have never witnessed such displays of immaturity and failure to recognize how this country has come to be the greatest nation on the planet. The base principles required to maintain the Land of Freedom and Opportunity are being trampled and ignored by self centered citizens over not getting their way like spoiled children.

The apple cart has been overturned just as the majority of voters wished for and those who have been living the good life of unrestricted big government are fighting for their bird nests on the ground. Sadly the media is keeping all stirred up and lying out their asses to do it.:thumbsdown

 

[Racey]

Noted,

People who disagree with Trump's policies have no self responsibility.......

Consistent with your premise, maybe I should skip my June 15th estimated tax payment; after all, anyone who disagrees with Trump's policies is just a "worthless loser, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, with no self responsibility."

For the most part they don't disagree with his policies, they just flat out hate the guy. All these dumbasses rioting in the streets, ANTIFA, etc, they don't give a shit about policy because they protest Trump for the same shit that Obama has been doing, or Clinton was doing. But were silent as hell a year ago, 5 years ago, etc.

Trump hasn't been in office long enough to actually enact any policies that they are rioting over, They are rioting of their imagined fear. Same as people who said Obama was a muslim who wanted the US to be ruled under sharia, also dumbasses, but at least those people weren't out in the streets burning cars, attacking people. Take a look around.


These people are so emotionally invested in their hatred of Trump that they refuse to look at the truth. Maybe i just see more of it because i'm younger and surrounded by these dumbasses in that age range. Have you ever in your life seen a president so hated and attacked both by the internal parts of government, and a disconnected band of people living in the country? Cmon, you know the answer to that question.


I didn't vote for Obama, but i gave the guy a fair chance for the first year or so until they jammed Obamacare down our throats, after that it was quite apparent how incompetent they were, conservatives sucked it up and took back the house in the midterms. But you didn't see people rioting, looting, burning cars in the streets, even after being legitimately screwed, not just imaginarily.

 

[94Nautique]

They harder they have pushed, the more my indifferent support has galvanized into deeper and deeper support. They relentless manner in which they are going after him, and continually coming up with zero evidence after wasting billions in resources, time, etc, and Trump always comes out one step ahead has made more and more a supporter of me.

The way the crybaby left continues their pathetic tantrums, the more it shows the world just how disconnected and mind warped to cult like religious proportions they are.


Keep it up snowflakes, every crocodile tear breeds another supporter from an indifferent citizen.


Quite frankly it's sad to think that this many Americans can be this level of worthless losers, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, no self responsibility.

+1 to what Racey has to say. Nothing to add.

 

[Old Texan]

+1 to what Racey has to say. Nothing to add.

Sadly his response is to a guy that has done nothing but preach hate for Trump since he lost all his "for sure" bets. A guy whose attitude is more in tune with the aimless protesters than not.....:skull:rolleyes

 

[Taboma]

Noted,

People who disagree with Trump's policies have no self responsibility.......

Consistent with your premise, maybe I should skip my June 15th estimated tax payment; after all, anyone who disagrees with Trump's policies is just a "worthless loser, rioting, battery, assault, vandalism, false outrage, social justice warriorism, virtue signaling, victim playing, with no self responsibility."

Ahhhh come on 530RL, I'm certainly no Trumpkin and I usually give a lot of merit to your contributions, but this comment is in no way consistent with the context of Racey's post. :thumbsdown

Your ratings just dropped after that one :rolleyes

 

[boatdoc55]

Ahhhh come on 530RL, I'm certainly no Trumpkin and I usually give a lot of merit to your contributions, but this comment is in no way consistent with the context of Racey's post. :thumbsdown

Your ratings just dropped after that one :rolleyes

+1 He didn't have high rankings with me but now he is just a big fricking asshat with too much time on his hands.

 

[squeezer]

In my 66 years I have never witnessed such displays of immaturity and failure to recognize how this country has come to be the greatest nation on the planet. The base principles required to maintain the Land of Freedom and Opportunity are being trampled and ignored by self centered citizens over not getting their way like spoiled children.

The apple cart has been overturned just as the majority of voters wished for and those who have been living the good life of unrestricted big government are fighting for their bird nests on the ground. Sadly the media is keeping all stirred up and lying out their asses to do it.:thumbsdown

[video=youtube;VMqcLUqYqrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs[/video]

 

[rivrrts429]

[video=youtube;VMqcLUqYqrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs[/video]

So which tv entertainment shows are approved by you guys?

On one side you knock Trump as a reality show entertainer and then here you go posting a tv show clip with paid entertainers as proof of argument lol

 

[squeezer]

So which tv entertainment shows are approved by you guys?

On one side you knock Trump as a reality show entertainer and then here you go posting a tv show clip with paid entertainers as proof of argument lol

Blah Blah Blah...

Like it or not "entertainment" has tied to politics since court jesters and Shakespeare.

Listen to the entire clip and then debate the points the "paid entertainer" made. List what you disagree with and lets debate the merits.

And I have never knocked Trump as a reality show entertainer, he had great ratings... I knock him as a president on the basis of his policy positions, staff choices, questionable business practices, rhetoric, tone/style of communication, and so so many others.

 

[94Nautique]

Blah Blah Blah...

Like it or not "entertainment" has tied to politics since court jesters and Shakespeare.

Listen to the entire clip and then debate the points the "paid entertainer" made. List what you disagree with and lets debate the merits.

And I have never knocked Trump as a reality show entertainer, he had great ratings... I knock him as a president on the basis of his policy positions, staff choices, questionable business practices, rhetoric, tone/style of communication, and so so many others.

So you agree with all of the actor's points? If not, please explain which ones you don't, then a discussion can follow. Its probably a better way to start the discussion, er...argument.

 

[Old Texan]

Blah Blah Blah...

Like it or not "entertainment" has tied to politics since court jesters and Shakespeare.

Listen to the entire clip and then debate the points the "paid entertainer" made. List what you disagree with and lets debate the merits.

And I have never knocked Trump as a reality show entertainer, he had great ratings... I knock him as a president on the basis of his policy positions, staff choices, questionable business practices, rhetoric, tone/style of communication, and so so many others.

And you viewed and probably voted for HRC on being a better choice with an impeccable historical background.:rolleyes

 

[530RL]

In my 66 years I have never witnessed such displays of immaturity ................

Interesting.

The P&G section is a reflection of this country so let's address maturity.

I don't see the resident liberals, Bobby, Squeezer and myself starting a thread every two days that refers to people who disagree with them as "Hey Tards"? I don't see the resident liberals who wear their religion on their sleeve and then refer to people of other religions as goat fuckers, mass terrorists and other immature derogatory terms. I don't see the resident liberals refer to anyone who supports liberty referred to as homos, knob gobblers, cock suckers, pufters, ass bandits. I don't see the resident liberals posting photoshopped pictures of the former first lady of the US with a cock and stating she is a man and the POTUS is a homo, and the list goes on. Name the topic, I can have one of my assistants start cutting and pasting world class levels of immaturity. To argue that in your "66 years" you have never witnessed such displays of immaturity, when you are one of the band leaders of immaturity is a world class psychotic break with reality.

 

[Old Texan]

Interesting.

The P&G section is a reflection of this country so let's address maturity.

I don't see the resident liberals, Bobby, Squeezer and myself starting a thread every two days that refers to people who disagree with them as "Hey Tards"? I don't see the resident liberals who wear their religion on their sleeve and then refer to people of other religions as goat fuckers, mass terrorists and other immature derogatory terms. I don't see the resident liberals refer to anyone who supports liberty referred to as homos, knob gobblers, cock suckers, pufters, ass bandits. I don't see the resident liberals posting photoshopped pictures of the former first lady of the US with a cock and stating she is a man and the POTUS is a homo, and the list goes on. Name the topic, I can have one of my assistants start cutting and pasting world class levels of immaturity. To argue that in your "66 years" you have never witnessed such displays of immaturity, when you are one of the band leaders of immaturity is a world class psychotic break with reality.

Grab your assistants by the asse and find posts started by me that fit your accusations. I don't censor what others post and don't really care. Plus you best find better example of liberal boy scouts to make your point. Squeegie certainly shows a bit more colorful side than you allude to......

Spin my statement which is meant to point out the "outside" world's actions, MSM in particular, if you must.....Or do what the hell ever you want in your quest to lurk above the fray in the special light you engulf yourself within.

Again your boots are full of mustard and bullshit up on the rail:rolleyes

 

[squeezer]

So you agree with all of the actor's points? If not, please explain which ones you don't, then a discussion can follow. Its probably a better way to start the discussion, er...argument.

I agree with 100% of what was said... Including the knock on Liberals!

 

[500bbc]

Interesting.

The P&G section is a reflection of this country so let's address maturity.

I don't see the resident liberals, Bobby, Squeezer and myself starting a thread every two days that refers to people who disagree with them as "Hey Tards"? I don't see the resident liberals who wear their religion on their sleeve and then refer to people of other religions as goat fuckers, mass terrorists and other immature derogatory terms. I don't see the resident liberals refer to anyone who supports liberty referred to as homos, knob gobblers, cock suckers, pufters, ass bandits. I don't see the resident liberals posting photoshopped pictures of the former first lady of the US with a cock and stating she is a man and the POTUS is a homo, and the list goes on. Name the topic, I can have one of my assistants start cutting and pasting world class levels of immaturity. To argue that in your "66 years" you have never witnessed such displays of immaturity, when you are one of the band leaders of immaturity is a world class psychotic break with reality.

I do, ya cock gobbler.

I speak fluent Tard,:finger

BTW Goat Fucker is an observation and the truth, talk to anyone that's been in the Sand Box that operates in the dark, you can add Sheep and Donkey fucker to it too with zero exaggeration.

 

[Stainless]

Interesting.

The P&G section is a reflection of this country so let's address maturity.

I don't see the resident liberals, Bobby, Squeezer and myself starting a thread every two days that refers to people who disagree with them as "Hey Tards"? I don't see the resident liberals who wear their religion on their sleeve and then refer to people of other religions as goat fuckers, mass terrorists and other immature derogatory terms. I don't see the resident liberals refer to anyone who supports liberty referred to as homos, knob gobblers, cock suckers, pufters, ass bandits. I don't see the resident liberals posting photoshopped pictures of the former first lady of the US with a cock and stating she is a man and the POTUS is a homo, and the list goes on. Name the topic, I can have one of my assistants start cutting and pasting world class levels of immaturity. To argue that in your "66 years" you have never witnessed such displays of immaturity, when you are one of the band leaders of immaturity is a world class psychotic break with reality.

[emoji106]
As far as this place goes the answers are in this post if you take time to absorb them. As long as shit grenades are launched from one side expect return fire from the other side.

 

[500bbc]

[emoji106]
As far as this place goes the answers are in this post if you take time to absorb them. As long as shit grenades are launched from one side expect return fire from the other side.

Splat:thumbsup

 

[Old Texan]

[emoji106]
As far as this place goes the answers are in this post if you take time to absorb them. As long as shit grenades are launched from one side expect return fire from the other side.

Curious as to where absorption leads?

Does the knife cut both ways?

Is chastising delivery while ignoring the point curing the issues?

 

[Old Texan]

Splat:thumbsup

Folks can take this however they want as I do not care.....But every time I see that particular picture of that idiot defacing Old Glory, it infuriates me. I immediately see a famous picture of a group of dirty and bandaged warriors on a bloody and battered South Pacific Island some 70+ years ago planting a tattered and torn, yet eternally proud USA banner atop a hill claiming freedom for all who stand in the shadows of that beautiful flag.

That fucking idiot deserves nothing but an ass kicking and if he did that in my presence he would receive his due.:mad2:

 

[Stainless]

Curious as to where absorption leads?

Does the knife cut both ways?

Is chastising delivery while ignoring the point curing the issues?

Don't over complicate it Tex, you start as much shit as anyone here including myself except you've been doing since '08.

 

[530RL]

Curious as to where absorption leads?

Does the knife cut both ways?

Is chastising delivery while ignoring the point curing the issues?

I do have to admit that your posts would be a lot better if they had a point......

 

[Old Texan]

Don't over complicate it Tex, you start as much shit as anyone here including myself except you've been doing since '08.

I'm overcomplicating nothing. Just asking questions.

You're welcome to your opinion. But that has nothing to do with the questions.

Apparently from your response, you consider asking questions as shit starting. Answer or don't. I'm not getting into your games, just curious about what I asked questions about. No more, no less.

 

[Old Texan]

I do have to admit that your posts would be a lot better if they had a point......

Like the made up pompous bullshit you throw at the wall......Nice try.

 

[Stainless]

I'm overcomplicating nothing. Just asking questions.

You're welcome to your opinion. But that has nothing to do with the questions.

Apparently from your response, you consider asking questions as shit starting. Answer or don't. I'm not getting into your games, just curious about what I asked questions about. No more, no less.

I honestly don't understand your questions in the context you presented them,hence why I said don't overcomplicate it. Am I to go back through this thread and try to figure out what you're referring too? Sorry not gonna do that.

 

[530RL]

Like the made up pompous bullshit you throw at the wall......Nice try.

More comments based in maturity....... :thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[RCDave]

All the Rage by BEN SHAPIRO June 14, 2017 4:00 AM @BENSHAPIRO

It?s the fountain of political youth, and politicians left and right pander to it, at our peril.

The Democrats have apparently discovered the fountain of political youth: rage. Speaking last week, Senator Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.), a crazed elderly loon recently spotted wandering around the country shouting about wealth inequality while closing on a second vacation home, stated, ?You should be angry. Take your anger out on the right people.? Mayor Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles, speaking to Politico, explained: ?If we only turn that anger inward, I fear we become the permanent part of opposition. Over the next couple months, we?d better get our act together.? The Democrats are late to the game.

During the 2016 election cycle, Republicans expressed their anger routinely and richly. Trump himself cultivated that anger. As Ian Tuttle rightly wrote at National Review in 2015, ?Many conservatives are having their Howard Beale moment: They?re mad as hell, and they don?t want to sit down and take it anymore.?

Now, anger is nothing new in politics. Anger has dominated political discourse since the times of the Bible (ask Moses how he felt about a stiff-necked people seemingly ready to throw him overboard every few weeks). And some anger is justified. If you are angry at corruption in Washington, D.C., you have every right to be. If you are angry at a heedless leviathan grasping at your wages, that anger is justified.

Even if you channel that emotion in the wrong direction, we can at least understand the anger. But something new has happened to American politics in the last few years: Politicians have realized that the simplest path to power is to humor everyone?s anger. If you take someone?s anger from them, you?ve emotionally castrated them. More important, you run the risk of driving them into the arms of someone who will feed their anger ? an anger that will now turn on you for the sin of having discounted that anger in the first place. This is deeply unhealthy. One of the great lies of psychology, dominant since the era of Freud, is that coddling emotions leads to more emotional fulfillment. Actually, coddling emotions leads to emotional unhealthiness. It leads us to wallow in our emotions. Anger feels good ? and it feels even better when someone tells you that you?re not wrong to be angry in the first place. If you crave emotional payoff, and if those around you are taught to cosset your emotions, you?re likely to engage more and more often in emotionally overwrought behavior. Bad psychologists indulge their clients? emotional states. Good psychologists ask whether those emotional states are justified. As social psychologist Jonathan Haidt (among others) states, cognitive behavioral therapy, a technique used to treat those with emotional disorders, is generally as effective as antidepressants for anxiety and depression. Therapy consists of identifying illogical links in a chain of thought that leads to an emotionally hazardous place. You might figure out, for example, that you?re attributing motives to someone even though you have no evidence about his motives, or that you overgeneralize, or that you?re looking only at the bad things in your life rather than at the good things as well. Once you?ve identified your own faulty thinking, you can stop the emotional runaway train.

Politicians are trained to do the opposite. Politicians spend their lives seeking the favor of others. That means they find it wildly beneficial to nurse the emotions of constituents ? the customer, of course, is always right! It means that if a constituent is angry, the best option isn?t to help break the chain of emotional volatility ? it?s to channel that volatility into the beating back of enemies. If you wonder why generic congressional support is so low, but support for local incumbents is so high, this is why: Your local congressman hears you and understands you, but the faraway government, full of cronies and fools, simply doesn?t.

On a national level, such pandering has become endemic: It?s why Hillary Clinton presided over the intersectional Olympics in 2016 (in which voters must be constantly reassured that their anger at alleged victimhood isn?t illegitimate), and why Trump spends inordinate time talking about Rust Belt voters (who must be reassured that their anger at the system ? and China and Mexico! ? is worthwhile). All of which makes for a toxic politics. The Founders knew that public passions were constantly at risk of demagoguery. It?s why they weren?t democrats. They believed in a system that would check passion with passion, and they believed in a system in which each politician would be forced to answer to so many different factions that he would be incapable of satisfying all of them.

In Federalist No. 10, Madison eloquently laid out the problem of demagoguery. His answer: gridlock. Federalism; various legislative entities; passions incapable of satisfaction at the governmental level. Without such a system, Madison wrote, the despotism of the majority would rule: ?If the impulse and the opportunity be suffered to coincide, we well know that neither moral nor religious motives can be relied on as an adequate control.? Madison wasn?t wrong to rely on the intricate framework of American government as a bulwark against the perverse passions of the majority. But he also relied on local interests to supersede national interest ? and diffusion of power to defeat virtually all interests.

The growth of the federal government has rendered such notions obsolete. On the one hand, local interests can now dictate national interests ? President Trump can cater to the anger of a factory worker by promising tariffs that affect everyone in small ways. On the other hand, every local politician can now campaign nationally ? Eric Garcetti barely presides over the potholes in Los Angeles, but he?s seen as a national face for his party. The result: a national pathology.

The only cure: Americans must get real. And that means, unfortunately, that politicians must be brave. They must tell voters when their anger is both misplaced and unearned. They must be willing to stand with truth rather than with the power of sympathy. If they don?t, the anger that politicians have attempted to channel for their own ends will eventually burst loose in ways those politicians never anticipated.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448595/nonstop-rage-fountain-political-youth-left-right

 

[spectra3279]

Folks can take this however they want as I do not care.....But every time I see that particular picture of that idiot defacing Old Glory, it infuriates me. I immediately see a famous picture of a group of dirty and bandaged warriors on a bloody and battered South Pacific Island some 70+ years ago planting a tattered and torn, yet eternally proud USA banner atop a hill claiming freedom for all who stand in the shadows of that beautiful flag.

That fucking idiot deserves nothing but an ass kicking and if he did that in my presence he would receive his due.:mad2:

I would shove that flagpole up his ass and turn him into a libtard on a stick

 

[was thatguy]

Interesting.

The P&G section is a reflection of this country so let's address maturity.

I don't see the resident liberals, Bobby, Squeezer and myself starting a thread every two days that refers to people who disagree with them as "Hey Tards"? I don't see the resident liberals who wear their religion on their sleeve and then refer to people of other religions as goat fuckers, mass terrorists and other immature derogatory terms. I don't see the resident liberals refer to anyone who supports liberty referred to as homos, knob gobblers, cock suckers, pufters, ass bandits. I don't see the resident liberals posting photoshopped pictures of the former first lady of the US with a cock and stating she is a man and the POTUS is a homo, and the list goes on. Name the topic, I can have one of my assistants start cutting and pasting world class levels of immaturity. To argue that in your "66 years" you have never witnessed such displays of immaturity, when you are one of the band leaders of immaturity is a world class psychotic break with reality.

You mad bro?

I encourage you to assign this task to your intern.

The worst thing I personally have called Micheal is tranny...or "dude".
You will not find the words you list above in my posts.

It seems very bigoted of you to assume that tranny's and closet gays can not and do not exist beyond a certain socio-level?
In your opinion, where do you think they should "top out" at as far as social and economic station?

Obamas history of smoking crack and having dope sex with male prostitutes is not of my fashioning...it is of his fashioning. The act itself I dont judge. (It would be hypocritical, minus the gay part)

It's the lying that bothers me. It's the hypocrisy that bothers me. It's the killing to keep secrets that bothers me. It's the championing of these actions by you that bothers me.

 

[Stainless]

All the Rage by BEN SHAPIROJune 14, 2017 4:00 AM @BENSHAPIRO

It?s the fountain of political youth, and politicians left and right pander to it, at our peril.

The Democrats have apparently discovered the fountain of political youth: rage. Speaking last week, Senator Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.), a crazed elderly loon recently spotted wandering around the country shouting about wealth inequality while closing on a second vacation home, stated, ?You should be angry. Take your anger out on the right people.? Mayor Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles, speaking to Politico, explained: ?If we only turn that anger inward, I fear we become the permanent part of opposition. Over the next couple months, we?d better get our act together.? The Democrats are late to the game.

During the 2016 election cycle, Republicans expressed their anger routinely and richly. Trump himself cultivated that anger. As Ian Tuttle rightly wrote at National Review in 2015, ?Many conservatives are having their Howard Beale moment: They?re mad as hell, and they don?t want to sit down and take it anymore.?

Now, anger is nothing new in politics. Anger has dominated political discourse since the times of the Bible (ask Moses how he felt about a stiff-necked people seemingly ready to throw him overboard every few weeks). And some anger is justified. If you are angry at corruption in Washington, D.C., you have every right to be. If you are angry at a heedless leviathan grasping at your wages, that anger is justified.

Even if you channel that emotion in the wrong direction, we can at least understand the anger. But something new has happened to American politics in the last few years: Politicians have realized that the simplest path to power is to humor everyone?s anger. If you take someone?s anger from them, you?ve emotionally castrated them. More important, you run the risk of driving them into the arms of someone who will feed their anger ? an anger that will now turn on you for the sin of having discounted that anger in the first place. This is deeply unhealthy. One of the great lies of psychology, dominant since the era of Freud, is that coddling emotions leads to more emotional fulfillment. Actually, coddling emotions leads to emotional unhealthiness. It leads us to wallow in our emotions. Anger feels good ? and it feels even better when someone tells you that you?re not wrong to be angry in the first place. If you crave emotional payoff, and if those around you are taught to cosset your emotions, you?re likely to engage more and more often in emotionally overwrought behavior. Bad psychologists indulge their clients? emotional states. Good psychologists ask whether those emotional states are justified. As social psychologist Jonathan Haidt (among others) states, cognitive behavioral therapy, a technique used to treat those with emotional disorders, is generally as effective as antidepressants for anxiety and depression. Therapy consists of identifying illogical links in a chain of thought that leads to an emotionally hazardous place. You might figure out, for example, that you?re attributing motives to someone even though you have no evidence about his motives, or that you overgeneralize, or that you?re looking only at the bad things in your life rather than at the good things as well. Once you?ve identified your own faulty thinking, you can stop the emotional runaway train.

Politicians are trained to do the opposite. Politicians spend their lives seeking the favor of others. That means they find it wildly beneficial to nurse the emotions of constituents ? the customer, of course, is always right! It means that if a constituent is angry, the best option isn?t to help break the chain of emotional volatility ? it?s to channel that volatility into the beating back of enemies. If you wonder why generic congressional support is so low, but support for local incumbents is so high, this is why: Your local congressman hears you and understands you, but the faraway government, full of cronies and fools, simply doesn?t.

On a national level, such pandering has become endemic: It?s why Hillary Clinton presided over the intersectional Olympics in 2016 (in which voters must be constantly reassured that their anger at alleged victimhood isn?t illegitimate), and why Trump spends inordinate time talking about Rust Belt voters (who must be reassured that their anger at the system ? and China and Mexico! ? is worthwhile). All of which makes for a toxic politics. The Founders knew that public passions were constantly at risk of demagoguery. It?s why they weren?t democrats. They believed in a system that would check passion with passion, and they believed in a system in which each politician would be forced to answer to so many different factions that he would be incapable of satisfying all of them.

In Federalist No. 10, Madison eloquently laid out the problem of demagoguery. His answer: gridlock. Federalism; various legislative entities; passions incapable of satisfaction at the governmental level. Without such a system, Madison wrote, the despotism of the majority would rule: ?If the impulse and the opportunity be suffered to coincide, we well know that neither moral nor religious motives can be relied on as an adequate control.? Madison wasn?t wrong to rely on the intricate framework of American government as a bulwark against the perverse passions of the majority. But he also relied on local interests to supersede national interest ? and diffusion of power to defeat virtually all interests.

The growth of the federal government has rendered such notions obsolete. On the one hand, local interests can now dictate national interests ? President Trump can cater to the anger of a factory worker by promising tariffs that affect everyone in small ways. On the other hand, every local politician can now campaign nationally ? Eric Garcetti barely presides over the potholes in Los Angeles, but he?s seen as a national face for his party. The result: a national pathology.

The only cure: Americans must get real. And that means, unfortunately, that politicians must be brave. They must tell voters when their anger is both misplaced and unearned. They must be willing to stand with truth rather than with the power of sympathy. If they don?t, the anger that politicians have attempted to channel for their own ends will eventually burst loose in ways those politicians never anticipated.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448595/nonstop-rage-fountain-political-youth-left-right

This^^
Good job explaining it without over bias to either side.

 

[johnnyC]

I think you hit the nail on the head!!!!!

 

[500bbc]

I would shove that flagpole up his ass and turn him into a libtard on a stick

Then you'd fulfill his lifelong dream.

 

[spectra3279]

Then you'd fulfill his lifelong dream.

Not after I start swinging it and him like I'm beating an Obama pi?ata

 

[500bbc]

More comments based in maturity....... :thumbsup:thumbsup

Maturity? From you?


That's divisive!:lmao

 

[Old Texan]

I honestly don't understand your questions in the context you presented them,hence why I said don't overcomplicate it. Am I to go back through this thread and try to figure out what you're referring too? Sorry not gonna do that.

No need to go anywhere but the post you referenced. It's all there. Just a matter of thinking it out. Don't bother. The answers are evident enough to all.

 

[Old Texan]

More comments based in maturity....... :thumbsup:thumbsup

You're so predictable.