Towing in fast lane and carpool lane

[RitcheyRch]

Guess maybe the law changed. :rolleyes Saw a guy towing a huge trailer all through the San Fernando Valley in the carpool lane and into the Santa Clarita area. Was passed by numerous LAPD and CHP. Neither of these pulled him over or told him to move over.

I also called the CHP non emergency number and whomever answered said he could be in the carpool lane as long as he had more than one in the car. I questioned this person multiple times and got the same answer repeatedly.

 

[TPC]

My CHP friends say you must be in the slow lane when towing.
Unless over taking and passing in Cali.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Guess maybe the law changed. :rolleyes Saw a guy towing a huge trailer all through the San Fernando Valley in the carpool lane and into the Santa Clarita area. Was passed by numerous LAPD and CHP. Neither of these pulled him over or told him to move over.

I also called the CHP non emergency number and whomever answered said he could be in the carpool lane as long as he had more than one in the car. I questioned this person multiple times and got the same answer repeatedly.

You called the police....for reals?

Brian

 

[RitcheyRch]

I know. Hence the :rolleyes smiley. Just thought was odd that he was passed by numerous LAPD and CHP and I was told by the dispatcher that it was ok.
She even asked someone else in the office.

My CHP friends say you must be in the slow lane when towing.
Unless over taking and passing in Cali.

For informational purposes only.

Heck, the guy was going over 80 with this huge 30 plus foot trailer and was tailgating people.

You called the police....for reals?

Brian

 

[wsuwrhr]

Problem I see, other than you being a tattletale bitch of course , is that unless the freeway is two lanes, which would unlikely have a carpool lane, is you have to break the law to get INTO the carpool lane.

Brian

For informational purposes only.

Heck, the guy was going over 80 with this huge 30 plus foot trailer and was tailgating people.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Plus going way above the speed limit. I was more surprised that they said it was acceptable to be over there.

Being called a bitch is better than some of the other things I have been called on here. :tbi

Problem I see, other than you being a tattletale bitch of course , is that unless the freeway is two lanes, which would unlikely have a carpool lane, is you have to break the law to get INTO the carpool lane.

Brian

 

[milkmoney]

Problem I see, other than you being a tattletale bitch of course , is that unless the freeway is two lanes, which would unlikely have a carpool lane, is you have to break the law to get INTO the carpool lane.

Brian

Now why you got to go calling people names ? [emoji12][emoji202]

 

[RitcheyRch]

Is no biggie. I'm thick skinned.

Can't really say am a tattle tail as didn't give a description of the vehicle and trailer. Only said, there is a guy towing a huge trailer in the carpool and fast lane. Guess they are more interested in tinted window and no front license plates.

Now why you got to go calling people names ? [emoji12][emoji202]

 

[wsuwrhr]

Now why you got to go calling people names ? [emoji12][emoji202]

Come on now. Do normal people REALLY call the cops on someone?

I am in disbelief.

 

[milkmoney]

Come on now. Do normal people REALLY call the cops on someone?

I am in disbelief.

Hell if I know. What is normal anymore ?[emoji41][emoji106][emoji202]

 

[ka0tyk]

my only problem with people who tow in the carpool and fast lane is that they're usually weekend warriors with no experience towing at all. so i tend to stay away from then in general. usually they're all over the lane, driving with teh trailer on the lines, swerving in/out of traffic as if they were a normal car, following much too close, etc.

 

[spectras only]

I bet Commiefornia has the same law as here in British Columbia. To be clear, carpool [ HOV ] lanes created for passenger vehicles with more than one person traveling. Ambulance, police, buses,electric cars and motorcycles exempt and can use the high occupancy lanes at all times.> High Occupancy Vehicle; passenger vehicles under 5,500 kg [12,100lbs] Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) and meets the minimum number of persons specified by a highway sign.
So, if your truck/boat&trailer is under 12,100 lbs , I'd think it's legal to tow as long as there's more than one person in your truck.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Like someone else said. No go as you need to be in the left two lanes so to get to a carpool lane is a violation.

You can use Fastrak as long as the entry/exit is on the rh side.

If that is not the case they changed the laws.

 

[rvrrun]

I bet Commiefornia has the same law as here in British Columbia. To be clear, carpool [ HOV ] lanes created for passenger vehicles with more than one person traveling. Ambulance, police, buses,electric cars and motorcycles exempt and can use the high occupancy lanes at all times.> High Occupancy Vehicle; passenger vehicles under 5,500 kg [12,100lbs] Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) and meets the minimum number of persons specified by a highway sign.
So, if your truck/boat&trailer is under 12,100 lbs , I'd think it's legal to tow as long as there's more than one person in your truck.

Well that sucks! I sat in the slow lane with the boat all last year like a schmuck.

 

[lebel409]

Come on now. Do normal people REALLY call the cops on someone?

Yes...you're next!

 

[wsuwrhr]

Yes...you're next!

Great.

 

[Cray Paper]

We don't have the "towing, left lane 55 MPH" rule in WA state. I use the carpool lane while towing our boat and or travel trailer all the time in WA. I don't see the issue as long as I'm keeping up with the traffic in front of me and have a truck with enough ass to keep the trailer from swaying in to the adjacent lane, which I do.

Don't be a tattle tale.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Snitches get stitches.....

 

[wsuwrhr]

NV has no lane control.

 

[boatpi]

It IS ILLEGAL to tow in an HOV lane in CA. the reasoning is the speed limit is 55 MPH. Towing rigs must remain in the far right lane unless passing.

 

[Ziggy]

Not even mentioned is the 55mph speed limit on towing vehicles....
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This topic really chaps my hide. I got tagged for a #2 lane violation with a load of quads behind my Truck/Camper. The reason I even moved to that lane was because of the unobservant Motor-cop that had just finished writing a ticket and started to merge back onto the freeway from the shoulder on a relatively busy 101 near Camarillo. Paranoid drivers slammed on their brakes because they saw a copyikes:grumble: My choice was to plow into the car in front of me or go around him in the #2. I immediately reentered #3. So I got awarded a $300+ ticket for 5 seconds of driving in #2 to avoid a major collision, so when I see shit like what the OG post stated and other similar driving I get hot under the collar......even the wife will start up and ask why the cops aren't around to nab this guy....LOL

 

[McRib]

it's is absolutely 100% illegal in California to tow anything outside the right most lane. the only exception is for passing and you must get back in the right lane and the first safest opportunity. it all falls under VC 21655. Google it.

the CHP Dispatch clearly didn't know SHIT!

 

[Rsqfxr]

Cops were probably on they're way home

 

[sirbob]

In CA your are only permitted in the first 2 lanes ...

Or so I thought

This is one of those things that pisses me off all the time - I know it bothers me more than others but man it just chaps me being behind a big trailer in the fast lane !

Some idiot at the call center doesn't know wtf they are talked about.

 

[Cray Paper]

When I bought my new to me boat back in 2013, I left Meza AZ around 2:00pm on a Friday night for the 1200 mile trip home. My wife and I hit the CA border around 5:00pm and I drove the entire way home, nonstop except for fuel. I was doing 70+ MPH in every lane in the northbound I5 direction of CA including the carpool lanesand didn't get pulled over once. Maybe I timed it right but I had no problems with the CHP. We encountered lots of 10 mile an hour under left laners on the way home and they got a earful of horn, finger and close brush just like our lame ass drivers in WA state. Never got pulled over in the last 12 hours I spent in CA.

 

[OCMerrill]

It's the same concept as towing in the 91 express lanes. You have to tow illegally to access the lanes.

I see no problem calling the CHP for a douche bag seriously endangering someone. 80+ with a 30+ foot trailer, seriously tailgating...that's close to getting a call. Thing is your wasting your breath because they already have me pulled over for a flickering taillight, going through my paper work for everything, sobriety test, Quagga inspection, etc.:thumbsdown

OC...Black Cloud....Merrill. :grumble:

 

[Fun Times]

Below are some of the California Vehicle Code sections relating to the HOV lanes which appears to have been created/written by the designers of the HOV lanes for CA. A few more of the section codes can be found near the bottom (page 112+ or Appendix♦Α−7)
of the following PDF link if interested, http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trafmgmt/hov/files/hov_guidelines/HOV Guideline.pdf which was found here, http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trafmgmt/hov/hov_sys/guidelines/

Section 21460 Double Lines The purpose of the solid-white single line on the inside of the double yellow lines on buffered HOV lanes is to permit vehicles to legally drive to the left of the double yellow lines as defined in the provisions of this section.
Section 21654 Slow-Moving Vehicles This section requires vehicles, such as those with 3-or-more-axles or vehicles with trailers as defined in Section 22406, to use the farthest right freeway lanes. Therefore, these vehicles cannot use the HOV lanes.
Section 21655 Designated Lanes for Certain Vehicles Allows the Department of Transportation or local authorities to designate specific lanes for vehicles required to drive at reduced speeds. Requires vehicles driving at reduced speeds to use the farthest right lanes.
Section 21714 Three-Wheeled Vehicles: Operation in HOV Lanes Prohibits three-wheeled vehicles from using the HOV lanes.
Section 22364 Lane Speed Limits Allows the Department of Transportation to post the appropriate speed for designated lanes.
Section 22406 Maximum Speed for Designated Vehicles By definition in this section, trucks with three or more axles, or vehicles with trailers, are not allowed to use the HOV lanes because they cannot drive the maximum legal speed limit posted on HOV lanes in California. Provisions of Section 21654 (above) then apply.
Definition of Two-Seat Vehicles (used in San Francisco Bay Area only):
Applies to the Interstate 80 HOV lanes and the toll plaza HOV by-pass lanes in the Bay Area requiring 3 or more occupants. Two seat vehicles are exempt from the 3 or more person occupancy requirement where posted. However, they must still have two people in them to use a 3 or more person facility.

 

[Member: 71]

Well Ritchie, seems we can't trust you to be the get away driver.

 

[AZRiverRunner]

Dispatchers don't know the laws and don't write tickets.

 

[73beast]

Actually you are to stay in the right two lanes of any roadway four lanes or wider, and in the right lane of a two or three lane except to pass slower traffic. I've gotten two lane control tickets, first on Lambert off the 57, second on south 5 at Tustin Ranch .

 

[Hallett Dave]

It IS ILLEGAL to tow in an HOV lane in CA. the reasoning is the speed limit is 55 MPH. Towing rigs must remain in the far right lane unless passing.

Yes Allen,
We all know about the 55 MPH law while towing. It is somewhat of an archaic fucked up law.
Yes, someone driving a vehicle that is on the ragged edge of safely towing a trailer at higher speeds should be limited to a slower speed.
Here is where common sense should come into play, however, often times it goes out the window.
I advocate CHP discretion.

If that individual decides to put themselves and everyone else in harms way with a tow vehicle and trailer that is not up to the task then they need to be cited.
California will never change the law as they want the revenue.
Again, I advocate CHP discretion. Yea right.

I have a Dodge Hemi Ram with 4 wheel power disc brakes and traction control.
I have never had a problem with panic braking while towing the Hallett when some other driver does something stupid to make me brake hard.

I feel very comfortable at 75 mph towing the Hallett on I40. I do slow to the prescribed speed in construction zones.

I used to love California. I grew up at Edwards AFB, played football at Chico State. I did 4 years in the AF and came back to Edwards and will retire with 32 years with the DoD.
I've had good times and have fond memories but wake the fuck up California.

In ten months I will retire and take up residence at my other house in Mohave Valley, AZ.

California is doomed and the towing speed laws will never change.

I'm not quite sure why I laid all this out.
Anyway, God bless and God bless America. Boat on.
HD

 

[RitcheyRch]

That was this person

my only problem with people who tow in the carpool and fast lane is that they're usually weekend warriors with no experience towing at all. so i tend to stay away from then in general. usually they're all over the lane, driving with teh trailer on the lines, swerving in/out of traffic as if they were a normal car, following much too close, etc.

:tbi

Snitches get stitches.....

I figured as much

it's is absolutely 100% illegal in California to tow anything outside the right most lane. the only exception is for passing and you must get back in the right lane and the first safest opportunity. it all falls under VC 21655. Google it.

the CHP Dispatch clearly didn't know SHIT!

:tbi

Cops were probably on they're way home

CHP might have got them had they had no front plate, tinted windows or were not wearing their seat belt.

It's the same concept as towing in the 91 express lanes. You have to tow illegally to access the lanes.

I see no problem calling the CHP for a douche bag seriously endangering someone. 80+ with a 30+ foot trailer, seriously tailgating...that's close to getting a call. Thing is your wasting your breath because they already have me pulled over for a flickering taillight, going through my paper work for everything, sobriety test, Quagga inspection, etc.:thumbsdown

OC...Black Cloud....Merrill. :grumble:

Thanks for posting that. :tbi

Below are some of the California Vehicle Code sections relating to the HOV lanes which appears to have been created/written by the designers of the HOV lanes for CA. A few more of the section codes can be found near the bottom (page 112+ or Appendix♦Α−7)
of the following PDF link if interested, http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trafmgmt/hov/files/hov_guidelines/HOV Guideline.pdf which was found here, http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trafmgmt/hov/hov_sys/guidelines/

Section 21460 Double Lines The purpose of the solid-white single line on the inside of the double yellow lines on buffered HOV lanes is to permit vehicles to legally drive to the left of the double yellow lines as defined in the provisions of this section.
Section 21654 Slow-Moving Vehicles This section requires vehicles, such as those with 3-or-more-axles or vehicles with trailers as defined in Section 22406, to use the farthest right freeway lanes. Therefore, these vehicles cannot use the HOV lanes.
Section 21655 Designated Lanes for Certain Vehicles Allows the Department of Transportation or local authorities to designate specific lanes for vehicles required to drive at reduced speeds. Requires vehicles driving at reduced speeds to use the farthest right lanes.
Section 21714 Three-Wheeled Vehicles: Operation in HOV Lanes Prohibits three-wheeled vehicles from using the HOV lanes.
Section 22364 Lane Speed Limits Allows the Department of Transportation to post the appropriate speed for designated lanes.
Section 22406 Maximum Speed for Designated Vehicles By definition in this section, trucks with three or more axles, or vehicles with trailers, are not allowed to use the HOV lanes because they cannot drive the maximum legal speed limit posted on HOV lanes in California. Provisions of Section 21654 (above) then apply.
Definition of Two-Seat Vehicles (used in San Francisco Bay Area only):
Applies to the Interstate 80 HOV lanes and the toll plaza HOV by-pass lanes in the Bay Area requiring 3 or more occupants. Two seat vehicles are exempt from the 3 or more person occupancy requirement where posted. However, they must still have two people in them to use a 3 or more person facility.

Oh, I can be trusted. When do you need a driver. :tbi

Well Ritchie, seems we can't trust you to be the get away driver.

I thought they knew them.

Dispatchers don't know the laws and don't write tickets.

 

[Activated]

Great.

Just post a picture of your license plate and it will be taken care of. :tbi

 

[wsuwrhr]

Just post a picture of your license plate and it will be taken care of. :tbi

Not gonna happen by me, someone else may do it.