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The question isn't what "war" is upon us...
The question should be what side have you chosen.
I dunno about you, but when I get mostly naked, shit-faced and dance in a manner that communicates that I want to bang my dance partners brains out, I always do it following the Church's mandate about Fasting and in a manner that Honors Jesus Christ.
Does that answer your question ? 🤣;)
 

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I dunno about you, but when I get mostly naked, shit-faced and dance in a manner that communicates that I want to bang my dance partners brains out, I always do it following the Church's mandate about Fasting and in a manner that Honors Jesus Christ.
Does that answer your question ? 🤣;)

You forgot the part where he rejects you.
 

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SatanCon 2023 will be held at the Boston Marriott Copley Place on April 28-30, the TST website states, hyping the meeting as “a weekend of blasphemy and remembrance in Boston.”

The convention, which the Satanic Temple has touted as the “largest Satanic gathering in history,” will celebrate TST’s ten-year anniversary and features talks on Satanism in Rural America, Reclaiming the Trans Body, and Satanism and Self-Pleasure.
 

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SatanCon 2023 will be held at the Boston Marriott Copley Place on April 28-30, the TST website states, hyping the meeting as “a weekend of blasphemy and remembrance in Boston.”

The convention, which the Satanic Temple has touted as the “largest Satanic gathering in history,” will celebrate TST’s ten-year anniversary and features talks on Satanism in Rural America, Reclaiming the Trans Body, and Satanism and Self-Pleasure.
Unlike all these young boaters, setting an example for all, by holding a 'Revival' service on the Colorado River.

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You really trying to equate a bunch of partying boaters to Satanic worship there T?
I don't believe God is a 'He', nor is Satan. I believe the spiritual energy that created all things lives within each of us, just as does it's antithesis.
There's times we embrace one, there's times we embrace the other, we love, we kill, we pray, we commit acts of debauchery.
The innocent are but one emotion away from becoming everything that disgusts them.

Which spiritual energy do you think drunken youth screaming "Show me your tits or F*ck her" are embracing ?
The term "Satan" for me, doesn't conjure up images of some creature who lives in the underworld and can be summoned by those worshipping his image.
So yes, these boaters committing or promoting this form of debauchery, may not constantly dwell within that environment, but many certainly entertain it frequently.
 

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I don't believe God is a 'He', nor is Satan. I believe the spiritual energy that created all things lives within each of us, just as does it's antithesis.
There's times we embrace one, there's times we embrace the other, we love, we kill, we pray, we commit acts of debauchery.
The innocent are but one emotion away from becoming everything that disgusts them.

Which spiritual energy do you think drunken youth screaming "Show me your tits or F*ck her" are embracing ?
The term "Satan" for me, doesn't conjure up images of some creature who lives in the underworld and can be summoned by those worshipping his image.
So yes, these boaters committing or promoting this form of debauchery, may not constantly dwell within that environment, but many certainly entertain it frequently.

I'm not condoning any of the behavior, nor am I trying to justify different levels of it. I agree with your premise, BUT being a drunk horny man/woman is quite different from openly promoting Satan (the figurehead of the immoral) and is a further reach around than 530 taking care of Chris Christie.
 

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Roger reminds me of those college preachers.

There was a time in my "Formative" years, that I was in a relationship and we actively participated at various "Fire and Brimstone" revivals.
More so, I was part of the entertainment if you will. I got the "Backstage" experience, I got to know these so called "Godly" saints who preached for all to repent else they burn in the fires of eternal damnation, as they promote the giving from those who have nothing, only to fill their coffers in "God's Name". These people didn't worship Satan, but they certainly embodied him.
 

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There was a time in my "Formative" years, that I was in a relationship and we actively participated at various "Fire and Brimstone" revivals.
More so, I was part of the entertainment if you will. I got the "Backstage" experience, I got to know these so called "Godly" saints who preached for all to repent else they burn in the fires of eternal damnation, as they promote the giving from those who have nothing, only to fill their coffers in "God's Name". These people didn't worship Satan, but they certainly embodied him.
That’s the irony in here that some have yet to grasp.

For when it comes to morality and sin that those who shout the loudest typically have the most to hide.

Some still believe they built the Vatican with all its glory and gold with ticket sales……..
 

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I'm not condoning any of the behavior, nor am I trying to justify different levels of it. I agree with your premise, BUT being a drunk horny man/woman is quite different from openly promoting Satan (the figurehead of the immoral) and is a further reach around than 530 taking care of Chris Christie.
I see, so you actually believe that Satan is a "Thing".
I don't think Satan is a real "Anything", I think it's openly promoting a lifestyle so many "Churchgoers" commit frequently, both while hiding in shame and openly when stimulated by enough outside peer influence and or some form of drug.

It seems you feel more comfortable with 'Degrees' of embracing our negative energy, not just a Good or Bad, but kinda bad, but pretty good.

The term of 'Satan' doesn't scare me any more than 'Jim Beam'.
 

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I believe that most people know the difference between right and wrong unless like most of our politicians and the freaks and haters have some serious glitches in their wiring. people bend and twist words and religions to justify their own outlooks, the key to almost all things in my opinion is knowledge watch what people do and what the result of their actions are. I honestly think the good and decent people far outnumber the perverted and evil people but the warped faction seem to have a much louder voice, just an opinion from a not to bright old geezer. keep bustin their chops regor.
 

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I see, so you actually believe that Satan is a "Thing".
I don't think Satan is a real "Anything", I think it's openly promoting a lifestyle so many "Churchgoers" commit frequently, both while hiding in shame and openly when stimulated by enough outside peer influence and or some form of drug.

It seems you feel more comfortable with 'Degrees' of embracing our negative energy, not just a Good or Bad, but kinda bad, but pretty good.

The term of 'Satan' doesn't scare me any more than 'Jim Beam'.

Whether you chose the term or not, that's your call, but I embrace the morality of Christianity and use Satan as the representation of the opposite.

You want to get into the weeds of the actions of others, I don't. There is evil in the church and a shit load of grifting, I am not defending it, just the morality that the Bible represents. And I am by no means a great Christian. I do not attend church much anymore due to many of the things you've brought up.

It's pretty simple bud. Christian morals are > than Satanism's morals.............
 

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That’s the irony in here that some have yet to grasp.

For when it comes to morality and sin that those who shout the loudest typically have the most to hide.

Some still believe they built the Vatican with all its glory and gold with ticket sales……..

I believe the Catholic church is a corrupt mafia and I have ZERO to hide there corrupt one.
 

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I see, so you actually believe that Satan is a "Thing".
I don't think Satan is a real "Anything", I think it's openly promoting a lifestyle so many "Churchgoers" commit frequently, both while hiding in shame and openly when stimulated by enough outside peer influence and or some form of drug.

It seems you feel more comfortable with 'Degrees' of embracing our negative energy, not just a Good or Bad, but kinda bad, but pretty good.

The term of 'Satan' doesn't scare me any more than 'Jim Beam'.
"Satan", "The Devil", "Bapho-something"...I feel are all constructs of man. Things to justify the bad choices or actions. One can worship nature in it's trees or water, the human form, or "God" as defined by a book...The difference is the choices of what is worshiped. To worship the concept of good things is wholly different than choosing to worship things that are "evil", such as the sacrifice of children, or the willful destruction of human life for enjoyment or entertainment. We all have our system of beliefs.

As for those that are the loudest have the most to hide, I don't know for sure. My "sins" may not be on public display, I'm not proud of them. I will never hide behind my beliefs, and will never deny that I have "sinned". In every life there are choices. I hope to continue to make better ones. It's like an evolution, if you will...
 

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Deep State - Elites dinner.

walking through center isle while a demon (claims) eating child... (imo looks like small animal)..

believe what you what...

these are SICK F. Satanic M.Fers...
 

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Whether you chose the term or not, that's your call, but I embrace the morality of Christianity and use Satan as the representation of the opposite.

You want to get into the weeds of the actions of others, I don't. There is evil in the church and a shit load of grifting, I am not defending it, just the morality that the Bible represents. And I am by no means a great Christian. I do not attend church much anymore due to many of the things you've brought up.

It's pretty simple bud. Christian morals are > than Satanism's morals.............
I can say with great conviction, having experienced the polar opposite, that I by far prefer the version of myself who exemplifies a person of high moral fiber.
As such, that is what I strive for.
 

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"Satan", "The Devil", "Bapho-something"...I feel are all constructs of man. Things to justify the bad choices or actions. One can worship nature in it's trees or water, the human form, or "God" as defined by a book...The difference is the choices of what is worshiped. To worship the concept of good things is wholly different than choosing to worship things that are "evil", such as the sacrifice of children, or the willful destruction of human life for enjoyment or entertainment. We all have our system of beliefs.

As for those that are the loudest have the most to hide, I don't know for sure. My "sins" may not be on public display, I'm not proud of them. I will never hide behind my beliefs, and will never deny that I have "sinned". In every life there are choices. I hope to continue to make better ones. It's like an evolution, if you will...
The scariest evil I've known personally, are the ones I least suspected and thought incapable.
 

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I can say with great conviction, having experienced the polar opposite, that I by far prefer the version of myself who exemplifies a person of high moral fiber.
As such, that is what I strive for.

Okay, sounds great for you and I don't doubt it, but would you rather have the rise of Christianity or Satanism in society?
 

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FWIW....

Former President Ronald Reagan: 'I am Born Again and I am a Bible Believer'​

.......was he a fool? Not hardly.....some of us get it. ;)

and yet....the scriptures have survived against much stronger aggression for thousands of years......but sadly,..... many today who are "self taught" believe they are much wiser and "have it all figured out" in a matter of decades. Yep, unfortunately, we must "give the devil his due" :( .

From 1965...58 years ago.....hummmmmmmmmmmm
 
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Okay, sounds great for you and I don't doubt it, but would you rather have the rise of Christianity or Satanism in society?
The most obvious for me answer is, humans treating each other with polite respect, humility and honor. Essentially the Tenets embodied in the spirit and teachings of Christianity and many other faiths, but certainly not inclusive to any one belief including Christianity.

But I find it ridiculous to portray the traditional Brazilian Carnival or Mardi Gras as anything other than a bunch of folks reveling in celebration and sure, maybe some drunken debauchery and maybe they're acting out a bit devilish. 👹
Acts similar to ones I may or have may not participated in myself back in another lifetime. 🥴 Doesn't mean they're true Satanists, no more than those dressing up for a costume party.

In 75 years, I've never met a single person, good or evil, who professed to be a worshipper of Satan. I could write, HOWEVER, on the contrary ----- 🤔
But I'll leave it at that.
 

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The most obvious for me answer is, humans treating each other with polite respect, humility and honor. Essentially the Tenets embodied in the spirit and teachings of Christianity and many other faiths, but certainly not inclusive to any one belief including Christianity.

But I find it ridiculous to portray the traditional Brazilian Carnival or Mardi Gras as anything other than a bunch of folks reveling in celebration and sure, maybe some drunken debauchery and maybe they're acting out a bit devilish. 👹
Acts similar to ones I may or have may not participated in myself back in another lifetime. 🥴 Doesn't mean they're true Satanists, no more than those dressing up for a costume party.

In 75 years, I've never met a single person, good or evil, who professed to be a worshipper of Satan. I could write, HOWEVER, on the contrary ----- 🤔
But I'll leave it at that.

You sound like the cats 10 years ago that were calling me a homophope because I was calling out the faggots being push on TV. Well, look where we're at now......................

I disagree with your assessment 100% T, although I know you're a good man. Wait a second!!!

"The scariest evil I've known personally, are the ones I least suspected and thought incapable."


How many statues of Molach do you have buddy? 😆
 

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In 75 years, I've never met a single person, good or evil, who professed to be a worshipper of Satan.

Granted, you may not have met them, but....​

Famous People You Didn't Know Had Connections To Satanism​


Sammy Davis Jr.

Rumor has it that the late singer, actor, and comedian Sammy Davis Jr. was introduced to the Church of Satan and Anton LaVey at an orgy in 1968.

Marilyn Manson

Marilyn Manson initially met the Church of Satan's Peter Gilmore at a music panel. Manson introduced himself to Gilmore and gave him a copy of his band's CD. They had a conversation about Satanism, and Gilmore was impressed with Manson's knowledge of the religion.

Jayne Mansfield

According to a 1992 interview with Karla LaVey, Anton LaVey's daughter and high priestess of the Church of Satan, actress Jayne Mansfield met Anton LaVey in 1966 while attending the San Francisco Film Festival. Mansfield reportedly admired LaVey and wanted to become a witch.

Kenneth Anger

Considering Anger has a tattoo across his chest that reads "Lucifer," it is perhaps unsurprising that he was friends with Anton LaVey. Anger even cast LaVey as Satan in his 1969 film Invocation of My Demon Brother. Even so, he says he is not a Satanist, but rather a pagan.

Liberace

Liberace, the famous pianist and entertainer, felt compelled to keep much of his personal life out of the spotlight. Given this secrecy, it may come as a shock that his name became associated with Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan. The two were reportedly friends, but little evidence exists to suggest the performer was a practicing satanist.

Susan Atkins

Susan Atkins was best known for her affiliation with Charles Manson as a member of his murderous "family." Before meeting Manson, however, she went on a crime spree, served time, and performed topless in a show titled "Witches' Sabbath" hosted by Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey.

Balls Mahoney

Jonathan Rechner, also known as Balls Mahoney, was a professional wrestler who died in 2016. In addition to being a famous wrestler, he was also a proud Satanist. Mahoney spoke openly about his belief in Satanism and reportedly loved Satanic death metal.

Marc Almond

Soft Cell singer Marc Almond, best known for his song "Tainted Love," caused quite a stir when he let fellow musician Boyd Rice initiate him into the Church of Satan.

King Diamond

King Diamond is a Danish heavy metal musician best known as the vocalist of Mercyful Fate. If you pay attention to Diamond's lyrics, you'll notice that he draws inspiration from The Satanic Bible, written by Anton LaVey. Diamond even met LaVey in an encounter he described as "almost like being in the Addams family." Diamond has spoken at length regarding his belief in Satanism and how LaVey's philosophy resonates with him.

Matt Skiba

Matt Skiba is the guitarist and vocalist for punk bands Alkaline Trio and Blink-182. He is also a card-carrying member of the Church of Satan. In a 2018 interview with Billboard, Skiba explained that he and Alkaline Trio bandmate Derek Grant gave each other church memberships for Christmas years ago
 
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You sound like the cats 10 years ago that were calling me a homophope because I was calling out the faggots being push on TV. Well, look where we're at now......................

I disagree with your assessment 100% T, although I know you're a good man. Wait a second!!!

"The scariest evil I've known personally, are the ones I least suspected and thought incapable."


How many statues of Molach do you have buddy? 😆
I have no statues representing any faith buddy.
No, I strive to be a good man. I'm fully aware I'm capable of being otherwise and it has nothing to do with Heaven or Hell or God or Satan.

Don't start the "You sound like" shit, and you don't want to get into a pissing contest over Who's the biggest Homophobe with me. 🤣
 

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How does one strive to be a good man? Where does the concept of right and wrong, good and bad come from without a Creator?
 

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Granted, you may not have met them, but....​

Famous People You Didn't Know Had Connections To Satanism​


Sammy Davis Jr.

Marilyn Manson

Jayne Mansfield

Kenneth Anger

Liberace

Susan Atkins

Balls Mahoney

Marc Almond

King Diamond

Matt Skiba


You're right, I don't know any of those people.

I've experienced good people, and evil, and I've witnessed first hand them both residing within the same person and none of them worshipped Satan. That includes myself.

We could do this all day and to what end ? Embrace your beliefs, and strive to be good to others.
 

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How does one strive to be a good man? Where does the concept of right and wrong, good and bad come from without a Creator?
Are you stating that concept of Right and Wrong eludes you without the aid of having read it in a book written by somebody else ?
That no humans treated any other humans with basic morals and decency until they were trained to do so by some religion, the concept of which was created by another human ?

No, you can find somebody who's got time to devote to this discussion --- take care
 

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Are you stating that concept of Right and Wrong eludes you without the aid of having read it in a book written by somebody else ?
That no humans treated any other humans with basic morals and decency until they were trained to do so by some religion, the concept of which was created by another human ?

No, you can find somebody who's got time to devote to this discussion --- take care
Not because of a Book. Where would the concept of right and wrong come from in humans? Not to write a story or book, but to be born with a basic concept of right vs wrong.
 

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Not because of a Book. Where would the concept of right and wrong come from in humans? Not to write a story or book, but to be born with a basic concept of right vs wrong.
Out of respect, I will qualify, that I was engaged in a discussion in this Dungeon, with Monkeyswrench and Regor, only because I enjoy their contributions and they've both earned a degree of trust, at least with me, to maintain a non-personal exchange.
That cannot be said of many in this particular forum.

I'm not going to argue religion with you, because I know by experience it will quickly degrade to a less than friendly discussion and in general there's no point in it.

I'm going to state this brief opinion on this subject and that will be that.

I believe long before there was the written word of God or any Creators, mankind learned certain moral values by the evolution by experience.
That as this concept evolved, mankind learned that by working together, trading, bargaining, and display of honor, it was advantageous to all concerned.

This concept was then passed down, taught and encouraged by the tribe's elders.
Perhaps as this practice continued to evolve it became incorporated in certain "Godly" belief structures in order to encourage good behavior with less infighting within the tribe structure.

Even a wild pack of Wolves or Coyotes has learned that mutual respect towards each other and the Alpha male, allows them to work together for the good of the whole.

This is my opinion, take it or leave it, this isn't a contest, just an opinion.

With that I will bid you good evening.
 

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No, I strive to be a good man. I'm fully aware I'm capable of being otherwise and it has nothing to do with Heaven or Hell or God or Satan.
This is pretty much my goals in this half of my life.

In my case, my beliefs, I do feel there is something beyond, maybe someone as well. This can go both ways. I know the way I was headed, but I know which way I'd rather go. If religion is a tool or a crutch to help keep me on the right path, so be it. Maybe it can help me strengthen my weaknesses. Others may not need or want a "crutch". As long as they act in good ways, they are good people, no matter faith or religion, or lack there of.

I've seen a guy with a tattoo of the devil on his chest, and a pentagram on his arm, tear up while trying to help a young boy involved in a car accident. I've watched a cross wearing soccer mom carry on an affair when her husband worked long hours to support a great lifestyle. Labels and appearance do little to show a real person.

Faith and trust are found in someone's actions. Many stray from "the path of righteousness", it doesn't mean they are lost, but maybe need some time to wander. Those that mean well, will eventually find their way, regardless of what others say.
 

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How does one strive to be a good man? Where does the concept of right and wrong, good and bad come from without a Creator?
That is a great question.

Is your belief that man can not know right from wrong or good from bad without believing in a Creator?

That all men who do not believe in a Creator can not understand the difference between right and wrong or good and bad?

And if so, why have most killings in history been a result of those fighting over who is the real Creator?

I don’t know the answer but I’m very interested in understanding how the history of killing in the name of a Creator is the fundamental basis of understanding right from wrong and good from bad?
 

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That’s what the forum is now reduced to?
Watching the Oracle and his current flock pontificate about the morality of man?
Smh.
I thought I’d seen it all.
You're right, being engaged in a respectful discussion isn't nearly as soul stirring as watching a youtube video of some zealot condemning the Traditional Brazilian Carnival for not being conducted in a manner that honor's Jesus.
Good of you to remind everybody what this forum's true purpose is.
 

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You're right, being engaged in a respectful discussion isn't nearly as soul stirring as watching a youtube video of some zealot condemning the Traditional Brazilian Carnival for not being conducted in a manner that honor's Jesus.
Good of you to remind everybody what this forum's true purpose is.

Nobody said it HAD to honor Jesus 530 errrrr T. 😝
 

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You're right, being engaged in a respectful discussion isn't nearly as soul stirring as watching a youtube video of some zealot condemning the Traditional Brazilian Carnival for not being conducted in a manner that honor's Jesus.
Good of you to remind everybody what this forum's true purpose is.
Be careful who you lay with.

You didn’t sound too respectful at all with anyone who disagreed with you in these recent posts.

Disguising contempt or mockery with sarcasm is not being respectful.
Or am I also just a “zealot”?
 

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Nobody said it HAD to honor Jesus 530 errrrr T. 😝
There's nothing hidden or concealed about the fact that the very context of the Rio Carnival is the celebration in the tradition of a Pagan Festival from the 15th century that honored the Gods.
It is what it is and has been, nasty debauchery, how can there be an expectation it can be otherwise ??
If it isn't your thing, just like the old days river Sandbar, don't go there, avoid it.

Now you best see to your 'Guy' patient, he needs his meds. 🤪
 

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I find it somewhat ironic that you support the annihilation of Ukraine and it’s people by an invading Army yet are worried about the morality of a carnival with Pagan figures.

Thats a head scratcher?
 
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I find it somewhat ironic that you support the annihilation of Ukraine and it’s people by an invading Army yet are worried about the morality of a carnival with Pagan figures.

Thats a head scratcher?
Crossing threads with your perceived recollection of history...shame on you.

This thread is primarily "religion", whereas the other is your worship of the war machine.

Please keep religion and worship separate for sake of purity...
Much like the killing of Russian speakers for the purity of Ukraine...
Wait, nevermind🤣
 

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I find it somewhat ironic that you support the annihilation of Ukraine and it’s people by an invading Army yet are worried about the morality of a carnival with Pagan figures.

Thats a head scratcher?

I don't support the annihilation of Ukraine, I support the annihilation of the faggots that caused it.................by meddling in Ukraine's SOVEREIGNTY with their 2014 color revolution. Not to mention the U.S. bio-weapon labs they were operating in their country to skirt international law.

With that said, Satanic worship (or Pagan as you like to dilute the truth) is the worship of evil and immorality. An evil that allows sick, sick men and women to fuck children and in my book, that's bigger than border battles between countries that we should not concern ourselves with.

You fucking clowns always like to gloss over the FACT that Trump's tenure was one where our world was the closet to peace than any other recent MIC bought and paid for POS President. Not one war clown, not one!!!

Trump F U.jpg
 

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Hmmm
So pointing out one’s hypocrisy equals a lack of medication?
Interesting.

A lie is not a side of a story, a lie is just a lie.
 

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There's nothing hidden or concealed about the fact that the very context of the Rio Carnival is the celebration in the tradition of a Pagan Festival from the 15th century that honored the Gods.
It is what it is and has been, nasty debauchery, how can there be an expectation it can be otherwise ??
If it isn't your thing, just like the old days river Sandbar, don't go there, avoid it.

Now you best see to your 'Guy' patient, he needs his meds. 🤪

Again, I didn't say they didn't have the right or dispute the origins of the parade. I'm simply saying we are in a spiritual war T and as for my "Guy", I'd go to war with that intellect any day.

I know you meant that as a joke, but be careful, he's a formidable foe and far from needing any meds. You want to take that on, I'd love to see it. Two smart men that I respect, but make sure when he jabs you, you stick around and don't pull the rip cord.
 

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Again, I didn't say they didn't have the right or dispute the origins of the parade. I'm simply saying we are in a spiritual war T and as for my "Guy", I'd go to war with that intellect any day.

I know you meant that as a joke, but be careful, he's a formidable foe and far from needing any meds. You want to take that on, I'd love to see it. Two smart men that I respect, but make sure when he jabs you, you stick around and don't pull the rip cord.
I don't dispute your concerns, certainly valid.
Religion teaches that the spiritual war that continues to this day here on earth, had it's origins in heaven due to the same basic flaw possessed by physical man, Greed and Power Envy. I have no reason to believe it will not continue as mankind has not changed in that respect.

I also believe that the greatest weapon possessed by true Faithful, is to lead by not by their intentions, or words, but by their daily actions.

I don't disparage those with faith, I envy them as I do my own children and encourage it. I'm happy my kids can be counted among the faithful.

As for your formidable foe, I agree he's extremely intelligent. Experience has taught me he's also prone to behavioral changes which makes him unpredictable and unpleasant, and as such, not somebody I care to indulge in conversation.

I don't have anybody on official ignore, but I certainly maintain both the choice and ability to pick and choose with whom I entertain.
Akin to the Rio Carnival, it is what it is and he is who he is. I'm not interested in either.

Enjoyed the chat, it was actually fun for awhile, and for the record, I will "Pull the rip cord" whenever I damned well please. 😁
 
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