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[CigAjerk]

If a group of people were to establish control over the current government, what laws/rules would they follow? Do you roll back to the constitution with the additional 12 amended bill of rights or do you start making changes right out of the box and immediately become what you just over threw? Do you just leave the constitution as is knowing there will be problems with it in current context?

Really curious to hear some answers on this since I've read suggestions of throwing lead and returning control. Once you have control, then what? And remember, under this "overthrow" scenario anyone can participate....so what happens if the non-patriotic are the ones to capture the flag first? What if those same non-patriotic people implement something completely new not following any of the founders concepts?

 

[530RL]

If a group were to establish control over the governemt in any way not specifically prescribed in the Constitution, they have thrown out the Constitution and tossed our Republic and its form of government aside.

It was attempted once before.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

avalon.law.yale.edu

 

[pronstar]

What are these known problems with the constitution as written?

 

[Nanu/Nanu]

The biggest issue is the states need to take back their power from the feds.

The feds are to invasive to the citizens. States are perfectly capable of managing themselves. Really the feds should be tasked with regulating the security of our country and international assets. That's about it. The feds are horribly mismanaged and very expensive in my eyes.

The biggest known issue with the constitution, bill of rights, and declaration of independence is that people are not taught about what they are, why their important, and what they stand for.

 

[4Waters]

If a group were to establish control over the governemt in any way not specifically prescribed in the Constitution, they have thrown out the Constitution and tossed our Republic and its form of government aside.

It was attempted once before.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

avalon.law.yale.edu

When non-citizens vote the constitution has already been thrown out. Thanks democratic party

 

[was thatguy]

If a group were to establish control over the governemt in any way not specifically prescribed in the Constitution, they have thrown out the Constitution and tossed our Republic and its form of government aside.

It was attempted once before.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

avalon.law.yale.edu

What about when the current “government” has already wiped its ass with our constitution?

The civil war was not fought because the Union was tyrannical, it was fought because the confederate states tried to succeed from the union.
There is a big difference between that and now.
Our constitution is BASED on the premise of the “people” protecting the Nation from the very threat of gov over reach that we are seeing today.
A situation that you seem to agree with more and more.
I know you refuse to see it because you are so anti-Trump, but the very election itself was a travesty against our constitution.

 

[94Nautique]

If a group were to establish control over the governemt in any way not specifically prescribed in the Constitution, they have thrown out the Constitution and tossed our Republic and its form of government aside.

It was attempted once before.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

avalon.law.yale.edu

Ah, whip out the old mental masturbation, so to speak.

 

[CigAjerk]

What are these known problems with the constitution as written?

Article 1 Section 9

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Article 1 Section 2

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

 

[stokerwhore]

i got two new rules:
1 anyone on the welfare loses their right to vote until they get a job AND if you file exempt on your taxes you dont vote.
2 anyone who fucks with an election and gets caught gets fed to the pigs, literally.


...oh, and term limits damn it

 

[HST4ME]

i got two new rules:
1 anyone on the welfare loses their right to vote until they get a job AND if you file exempt on your taxes you dont vote.
2 anyone who fucks with an election and gets caught gets fed to the pigs, literally.


...oh, and term limits damn it

State electoral colleges

 

[530RL]

i got two new rules:
1 anyone on the welfare loses their right to vote until they get a job AND if you file exempt on your taxes you dont vote.
2 anyone who fucks with an election and gets caught gets fed to the pigs, literally.


...oh, and term limits damn it

There are term limits now. Two year term for the House and six years for the senate.

No one gets another term without the voters giving it to them.

Why take that right away from the individual voter?

Are those that are in Congress too long a problem relating to the Constitution, or is it simply a result of what voters have voted for?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Ok, how about no term limits, and no PAC's or financial donations? No incentives to cloud the waters. Old school, meet the people, be one of the people even.
Why is it that property around DC is so expensive, and yet nothing is produced there? Why can there even be such thing as a career politician? How can a millionaire spend a fortune, for a job that pays 200k a year?

 

[530RL]

Ok, how about no term limits, and no PAC's or financial donations? No incentives to cloud the waters. Old school, meet the people, be one of the people even.
Why is it that property around DC is so expensive, and yet nothing is produced there? Why can there even be such thing as a career politician? How can a millionaire spend a fortune, for a job that pays 200k a year?

I can basically agree with that.

I wouldn’t limit deductions to zero but to a small amount where anyone can participate.

Youngkin who won Virginia poured over 30 million of his own money into the campaign to win the election in Virginia. Are we better off only with the rich, I’m not convinced.

We have to remember that it was a “conservative” court that took off limits on campaign contributions and believes that corporations were people and as such their first amendment rights remain intact and could not be limited.

As much as it is contrary to my fundamental beliefs, maybe it is the liberals with their limits on campaign contributions who have it right?

 

[4Waters]

No one should be in any one office for more than 8 years

 

[spectra3279]

There are term limits now. Two year term for the House and six years for the senate.

No one gets another term without the voters giving it to them.

Why take that right away from the individual voter?

Are those that are in Congress too long a problem relating to the Constitution, or is it simply a result of what voters have voted for?

So you don't think that graft and corruption are a problem?

Got it

 

[530RL]

No one should be in any one office for more than 8 years

And the voters have that choice as they should have.

 

[4Waters]

And the voters have that choice as they should have.

You missed the point, 8 years max no reelection,
8 years max as mayor,
8 years max as council member,
8 years max as county supervisor,
8 years max in the senate,
8 years max in congress,
8 years max as vice president,
8 years max as president

8 years max, nasty pelosi has been in more than 8 years, feinstein longer than 8 years. What part of 8 years do you not understand? It's simple
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You are a true liberal, you just want to argue. Damn I hate you MFers.

 

[regor]

And the voters have that choice as they should have.

You keep acting like elections aren’t rigged. We all know they are and we also know that the only reason you don’t like term limits is replacing a comprised politician is an inconvenience.........once you’ve got the dirt on them.

Yore too easy Kaa.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

There are term limits now. Two year term for the House and six years for the senate.

No one gets another term without the voters giving it to them.

Why take that right away from the individual voter?

Are those that are in Congress too long a problem relating to the Constitution, or is it simply a result of what voters have voted for?

You're obfuscating much political history here.

The 17th amendment has destroyed America ability to choose Senators "Consistent with the Constitution"

Before direct election of Senators, as you know the State could recall a Senator at any time. Can you honestly believe that McCain would have made it as long as he did with a State being able to recall a Senator? Beating a sitting Senator is a near impossibility with their incumbency and war-chest, but you knew that too.

 

[was thatguy]

You're obfuscating much political history here.

The 17th amendment has destroyed America ability to choose Senators "Consistent with the Constitution"

Before direct election of Senators, as you know the State could recall a Senator at any time. Can you honestly believe that McCain would have made it as long as he did with a State being able to recall a Senator? Beating a sitting Senator is a near impossibility with their incumbency and war-chest, but you knew that too.

He pays for 8 years or more by God he wants his moneys worth!

 

[LHC30]

Let’s start with the premise that Congress shall pass no law, and no law or regulation shall be enforceable, unless such law or regulation is fully binding on all public officers etc of any Government office. Penalties for violation of law by said officers while still in office shall have a commensurate increase.

 

[530RL]

You're obfuscating much political history here.

The 17th amendment has destroyed America ability to choose Senators "Consistent with the Constitution"

Before direct election of Senators, as you know the State could recall a Senator at any time. Can you honestly believe that McCain would have made it as long as he did with a State being able to recall a Senator? Beating a sitting Senator is a near impossibility with their incumbency and war-chest, but you knew that too.

The original body of the Constitution contains four different provisions for amendments.

Your view that an amendment, given the founding fathers provided four separate ways to amend, is not "Consistent with the Constitution" is interesting.

I suspect the anti-gun crowd shares your views with respect to amendments.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

The original body of the Constitution contains four different provisions for amendments.

Your view that a valid amendment, given the founding fathers provided four separate ways to amend, is not "Consistent with the Constitution" is interesting.

I suspect the anti-gun crowd shares your views with respect to amendments.

My point, as you know is that these leaches can and will find ways withing current laws, to change the Constitution to fit their narrative.

I can and will disagree with those. They could change the Constitution to make slavery legal or make it a capitol crime to be gay. Would you then still agree that the Constitution is correct and we all need to agree with it? All it takes is a enough people to agree. That is what a true democracy is. However, we are a Constitutional Republic.

My point as to the 17th is that Arizona could have and likely would have recalled McCain as put forth in the original Constitution. The original intent was that "all politics are local" never rang truer. It gave individual legislative districts a much louder voice that the Senators needed to listen to. Now, a Senatorial race is almost a National Election.

 

[retaocleg]

If a group were to establish control over the governemt in any way not specifically prescribed in the Constitution, they have thrown out the Constitution and tossed our Republic and its form of government aside.

It was attempted once before.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

avalon.law.yale.edu

you forgot this..........1932 with bush family and others..........RINO to the core
thank god for scmedley butler....

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