The Wall

[Stainless]

Sources: Trump will ask Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall - CNN
https://apple.news/A8X4JjrUPQzCyma7eZC9LjA

 

[GRADS]

And it's not even January 20th. :lmao The next 4 years are going to be hilarious.....I can't wait to sit back and do this to all the people that voted him.oint:loser:

 

[pronstar]

Should we count all of Dear Leader's broken campaign promises? He's batting under .500 and had 8 years to get his agenda done.

Or is that simply that evil Bush's fault? LMAO

 

[GRADS]

Trump has gone back on probably at least half of his campaign promises and he's not even President yet. :lmao

 

[brgrcru]

Trump has gone back on probably at least half of his campaign promises and he's not even President yet. :lmao

Name them. And not a fake news site!

 

[Bobby V]

Should we count all of Dear Leader's broken campaign promises? He's batting under .500 and had 8 years to get his agenda done.

Or is that simply that evil Bush's fault? LMAO

Is this how its going to be for the 4 years. Everytime someone bashes Trump. You and the others are going to be bringing up Obama. :rolleyes

Trump 2017 " Making America Sick Again".

 

[brgrcru]

Is this how its going to be for the 4 years. Everytime someone bashes Trump. You and the others are going to be bringing up Obama. :rolleyes

Trump 2017 " Making America Sick Again".

Shouldnt we be in mammoth . :thumbsup

 

[pronstar]

Is this how its going to be for the 4 years. Everytime someone bashes Trump. You and the others are going to be bringing up Obama. :rolleyes

Trump 2017 " Making America Sick Again".

No it'll go on for exactly half the time we heard "it's Bush's fault" ...so figure two years LOL

But if Sessions becomes AG I'm moving to Canada.

 

[westair]

Just build the wall! ..... get it done! Spend the 10B and save 113B spent on illegals annually!!
Having Mexico pay was just a bonus but who really cares.... I don't

 

[AzGeo]

Trump gets the money from Congress to build the wall (so it gets done), on condition that Congress then passes a 35% Tariff on incoming goods from Mexico .

30% towards the principal, and 5% towards the interest on the loan .

Once US Corporations in Mexico start paying that 35%, they will quickly begin to 'change their business models', and either; keep paying 35%, raise prices and possibly lose market share, make plans and move back into the USA, go out of business .

After the 'official tariff warning', there will be no 'bailouts', or 'tax incentives', it's too late for that BS by then . Your company should have 'made a deal' BEFORE the tariffs came down, not after .

American Corporations remaining in Mexico will have to 'make up that 35%' and so they will be cutting costs and that will reduce the US dollars going into the Mexican economy . So Mexico WILL be paying for the wall, like it or not .

This is exactly how many of our 'trade partners' do business with the USA .

 

[GRADS]

You guys are funny.... letting him off on his campaign promises. Next thing is he will come out and say he's going to "Make America Average Again". :lmao

 

[t&y]

Too funny... the snowflakes are still melting. Big picture, HILLARY lost big right along with her democratic buddies. Across the board they all got their ass handed to them. I could give two shits if the wall is paid for by us or them. As long as HILLARY lost, I'm good:thumbsup

 

[Grandpa mac]

Just build the wall! ..... get it done! Spend the 10B and save 113B spent on illegals annually!!
Having Mexico pay was just a bonus but who really cares.... I don't

Okay, here's my question. It looks like the emerging proposal is to spend up to $14 billion on a fence. Maybe one, maybe two layers deep- but a fence not a wall. Seems to me that all you need to defeat a $14 billion fence is a pair of $14 dollar wire snips. How does that deter immigration and what will be the recurring costs of patching this nuisance barrier? I can't help but think of the lengths East Germans went to in defecting to the west- tunnels, balloons, etc. Or the Cubans and the boats they fabricate in their garages to sail to Miami. Or Andy escaping Shawshank (or El Chapo from that hell hole the Mexicans through him in). Realistically, can you ever erect a barrier which will keep a desperate and determined person out?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/house-gop-trump-border-wall-233237

 

[spectra3279]

You guys are funny.... letting him off on his campaign promises. Next thing is he will come out and say he's going to "Make America Average Again". :lmao

Would still be an improvement after ofucktard

 

[spectra3279]

 

[Stainless]

Just build the wall! ..... get it done! Spend the 10B and save 113B spent on illegals annually!!
Having Mexico pay was just a bonus but who really cares.... I don't

What is the news or information source citing 113B annually? I'm not saying it's not accurate but I would like to see the breakdown of the money to see if it's a fair comparison. My guess is much of the costs continue on regardless if a wall is built?

 

[Yellowboat]

What is the news or information source citing 113B annually? I'm not saying it's not accurate but I would like to see the breakdown of the money to see if it's a fair comparison. My guess is much of the costs continue on regardless if a wall is built?

A couple years back la county did a report(which I am sure is low) that every illegal cost the county 40k and change. Assuming that number isaccurate and there are 10 million. Illegals. Thats 400 billion a year.

 

[Wakebrdr94]

Trump gets the money from Congress to build the wall (so it gets done), on condition that Congress then passes a 35% Tariff on incoming goods from Mexico .

30% towards the principal, and 5% towards the interest on the loan .

Once US Corporations in Mexico start paying that 35%, they will quickly begin to 'change their business models', and either; keep paying 35%, raise prices and possibly lose market share, make plans and move back into the USA, go out of business .

After the 'official tariff warning', there will be no 'bailouts', or 'tax incentives', it's too late for that BS by then . Your company should have 'made a deal' BEFORE the tariffs came down, not after .

American Corporations remaining in Mexico will have to 'make up that 35%' and so they will be cutting costs and that will reduce the US dollars going into the Mexican economy . So Mexico WILL be paying for the wall, like it or not .

This is exactly how many of our 'trade partners' do business with the USA .

Sweet, so he's going screw the people by allocating tax dollars to build the wall, which he said Mexico would pay for, then screw the economy by driving prices up on on goods made outside the US. So we move those jobs here, cost of goods goes through the roof because of the cost of labor, so it's a lose anyway you slice it.

By the way, there's a much larger boarder to the north that could be secured as well.

 

[mjc]

Congress has allocated money for a wall more than once last in 06(I think) and it should have been done then.

 

[Victory32]

Hell, if we just withheld the foreign aid to Mexico, we could pay for the wall and have enough left over to put a machinegun every 100 yards!! IN ONE YEAR!

 

[mash on it]

Congress has allocated money for a wall more than once last in 06(I think) and it should have been done then.

Yep, 1986- R. Reagan, 1996- B. Clintoon, and 2006- Geo. W Bush.

Where did all this allocated money go?

Dan'l

 

[SNiC Jet]

Trump promised he would build a Wall...... Trump, with the help of the GOP is moving forward and building the Wall utilizing the existing 2006 Secure Fence Act which called for a double fence BUT, also gives full discretion of the construction to Home Land Security. And there are sections of this "barrier" where a double fence will be more than adequate as well as "friendly" to the surrounding demographics and geography.

OK, here comes the common sense and obvious part, the revenues saved by stopping this massive flow of illegals will be more than enough revenue to pay for this much needed security. Considering the above, who gives a shit who pays for it......:smackhead

This is one Campaign Promise that is already in the process of becoming reality and Trump hasn't even taken office, AND THAT IS A FACT!.....GET OVER IT GIRLS AND STOP YOUR DAMN FINGER POINTING AND WHINING! It's a NEW DAY......

 

[Old Texan]

Blah, blah, blah, blah from the haters who just won't back off and give the new to be admin a chance. Whatever Trump does to this point is premature to judge and once he takes office we can begin to form opinions on real time actions.

He comes across as his own worst enemy as he in my opinion, plays games with the media using the current electronic means. But I feel when he sits down in the big seat, much of that will change.

As far as the "wall', I still think there is far more to this deal than can be described as a physical barrier. It's all part of a plan to secure the border and I'd think, or hope. there is a lot of negotiating and dialogue to be done with Mexico before any construction begins.

As to Grads and his buds, are y'all really that shallow and bitter to just go on and on about hoping for Trump to fail? If Trump fails, the nation suffers. That in essence is what you're hoping for.....Cutting off your noses to spite your faces. Good grief.

The last several admins all had major gaffs and issues that got the nation into the mess we're in. Let's give this DC outsider some room and a chance to turn things around. I got sick of the crap duing the Bush years of political infighting that harmed our troops in the field and more sick of the O reign trying to institute personal agendas that failed and just further divided the nation. Let's end that shit and see how things can be done to bring reason and unity back into the country.

Keep in mind despite media efforts to discredit, Trump in part won because of minorities in critical districts beginning to get on board because of his message to help where others ignored them. That has to mean something and at least be viewed as some type of progress or change.

 

[was thatguy]

Sweet, so he's going screw the people by allocating tax dollars to build the wall, which he said Mexico would pay for, then screw the economy by driving prices up on on goods made outside the US. So we move those jobs here, cost of goods goes through the roof because of the cost of labor, so it's a lose anyway you slice it.

By the way, there's a much larger boarder to the north that could be secured as well.

It's "border"....not "boarder"

A "boarder" is a person...like the illegals that you "board" in your house.
What's that you say? You don't let them stay in your house?
Interesting.

Btw, Tom Brown isn't that hard to keep out.

 

[Wakebrdr94]

It's "border"....not "boarder"

A "boarder" is a person...like the illegals that you "board" in your house.
What's that you say? You don't let them stay in your house?
Interesting.

Btw, Tom Brown isn't that hard to keep out.

I never claim to be that bright at 5am before caffeine

 

[Stainless]

Okay, here's my question. It looks like the emerging proposal is to spend up to $14 billion on a fence. Maybe one, maybe two layers deep- but a fence not a wall. Seems to me that all you need to defeat a $14 billion fence is a pair of $14 dollar wire snips. How does that deter immigration and what will be the recurring costs of patching this nuisance barrier? I can't help but think of the lengths East Germans went to in defecting to the west- tunnels, balloons, etc. Or the Cubans and the boats they fabricate in their garages to sail to Miami. Or Andy escaping Shawshank (or El Chapo from that hell hole the Mexicans through him in). Realistically, can you ever erect a barrier which will keep a desperate and determined person out?

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/house-gop-trump-border-wall-233237

Gmac, figured I would share some insight with you. The attached PDF is basically what most of the 2006 to present Border Fence looks like(there are other designs dependent on the Engineering Firm), not what most would consider fence. It is effective at deterring illegal immigration by foot, but will not stop all crossing because of some of the things you mentioned. It is what DOHS wanted because of cost and to be able to see through it. Construction and material costs alone are running about $4.0M/mile presently, that does not include engineering, inspection, legal challenges, or temporary easements needed to access the border efficiently across private land just to name a few things people don't realize. The US Govt owns a strip of land 60' wide along the Border known as the Roosevelt Easement. At the end of the day I suspect Fence will continue to be constructed along 99%~ of the border and some token wall constructed in Urban areas.

 

[was thatguy]

 

[hvnfun]

Sources: Trump will ask Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall - CNN
https://apple.news/A8X4JjrUPQzCyma7eZC9LjA

In Trumps own words LIAR!!!! just like everything else he said.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Gmac, figured I would share some insight with you. The attached PDF is basically what most of the 2006 to present Border Fence looks like(there are other designs dependent on the Engineering Firm), not what most would consider fence. It is effective at deterring illegal immigration by foot, but will not stop all crossing because of some of the things you mentioned. It is what DOHS wanted because of cost and to be able to see through it. Construction and material costs alone are running about $4.0M/mile presently, that does not include engineering, inspection, legal challenges, or temporary easements needed to access the border efficiently across private land just to name a few things people don't realize. The US Govt owns a strip of land 60' wide along the Border known as the Roosevelt Easement. At the end of the day I suspect Fence will continue to be constructed along 99%~ of the border and some token wall constructed in Urban areas.

Nice review of past projections..... The new Director of Homeland Security, John Kelly has FULL DISCRETION and will no doubt put a whole new spin on the reality and costs of this endeavor.

Face it, Trump won, throw your stones if you wish, but attempting to cover him over with yesterday's paint is not only "short sighted", but totally ridiculous as well.

 

[Stainless]

Nice review of past projections..... The new Director of Homeland Security, John Kelly has FULL DISCRETION and will no doubt put a whole new spin on the reality and costs of this endeavor.

Face it, Trump won, throw your stones if you wish, but attempting to cover him over with yesterday's paint is not only "short sighted", but totally ridiculous as well.

Riddle me this, how come he wants to coat-tail it on the 2006 law? Do you think a concrete wall can be built less expensively than what is presently being constructed?

 

[530RL]

Trump said a wall not a fence, 50 feet high, built in less than two years and paid for by Mexico. He also said when people questioned him that it "just got twenty feet higher".

Clearly that is impossible but he said what he said. If you are gonna give Trump a pass on his ludicrous BS promises, seems pretty hypocritical to not give Obama a pass on his ludicrous BS promises. For me, they both reinforce the famous quote from P.T. Barnum.

In either event, I wanted to post a picture of a cave drawing that is over 10,000 years old found in Spain. Not sure if this invention has come to Mexico yet but I think it has and it is probably useful in defeating either a wall or a fence, whichever one chooses? :headscratch:

 

[squeezer]

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By the way, there's a much larger boarder to the north that could be secured as well.

Canada is going to build that wall and make the US pay for it...

 

[SNiC Jet]

Riddle me this, how come he wants to coat-tail it on the 2006 law? Do you think a concrete wall can be built less expensively than what is presently being constructed?

Because as the 2006 Law gives full discretion to the Director of Homeland Security and that law satisfies the objective and provides lead way to construct whatever best addresses the actual needs. Thus, No need for a new law. As for the costs, I am willing to "wait and see" before I jump to conclusions based on the past efforts which may or may not be applicable to the final outcome.

I am willing to allow him some time to sin, before I crucify.... and that day may come..... we shall see.

 

[spectra3279]

Sweet, so he's going screw the people by allocating tax dollars to build the wall, which he said Mexico would pay for, then screw the economy by driving prices up on on goods made outside the US. So we move those jobs here, cost of goods goes through the roof because of the cost of labor, so it's a lose anyway you slice it.

By the way, there's a much larger boarder to the north that could be secured as well.

The money has already been approved twice. So it's already there.

 

[SNiC Jet]

....In either event, I wanted to post a picture of a cave drawing that is over 10,000 years old found in Spain. Not sure if this invention has come to Mexico yet but I think it has and it is probably useful in defeating either a wall or a fence, whichever one chooses? :headscratch:

View attachment 530228

As opposed to today, where they can pack a picnic lunch and go for a casual stroll across the border..... and say, "Honey, I'm Home!" :smackhead

 

[spectra3279]

Canada is going to build that wall and make the US pay for it...

Yes to keep you whiny bitches out

 

[Stainless]

Because as the 2006 Law gives full discretion to the Director of Homeland Security and that law satisfies the objective and provides lead way to construct whatever best addresses the actual needs. Thus, No need for a new law. As for the costs, I am willing to "wait and see" before I jump to conclusions based on the past efforts which may or may not be applicable to the final outcome.

I am willing to allow him some time to sin, before I crucify.... and that day may come..... we shall see.

My opinion is he is taking the path of lesser resistance rather than start over with a new bill because the current one has no Sunset provision. "Full Discretion" if used still requires Congress to fund it.

 

[SNiC Jet]

My opinion is he is taking the path of lesser resistance rather than start over with a new bill because the current one has no Sunset provision. "Full Discretion" if used still requires Congress to fund it.

I would guess, if he wanted a new law, the Left would criticize and no doubt say that was not necessary because we currently have a law in place....What's wrong with efficiency and taking the path a least resistance when the end results will be the same? There is no need for a Sunset provision... Congress can reverse this action whenever they see the need.

As far as Congress funding it... consider that a "construction loan"

"The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!" Trump tweeted Friday.

Give it time.....give it time...

 

[530RL]

As opposed to today, where they can pack a picnic lunch and go for a casual stroll across the border..... and say, "Honey, I'm Home!" :smackhead

Or legally take any airline, train or car and overstay their visa, which is how a majority of them still in the US, got to the US. :smackhead

 

[SNiC Jet]

Or legally take any airline, train or car and overstay their visa, which is how a majority of them still in the US, got to the US. :smackhead

We were not discussing visas, were we?
I thought we were discussing "the Wall", and your "cave pic" did not include planes and trains.......... but divert to other issues if you wish, your going to anyways.... :rolleyes

 

[Stainless]

I would guess, if he wanted a new law, the Left would criticize and no doubt say that was not necessary because we currently have a law in place....What's wrong with efficiency and taking the path a least resistance when the end results will be the same? There is no need for a Sunset provision... Congress can reverse this action whenever they see the need.

As far as Congress funding it... consider that a "construction loan"


Give it time.....give it time...

Yea, his term would be likely be over before a new bill was signed, that was my point. When I see Senators like R Paul demanding spending cuts before new appropriations I can only imagine Trump will meet resistance with his "Construction Loan".

 

[SNiC Jet]

Yea, his term would be likely be over before a new bill was signed, that was my point. When I see Senators like R Paul demanding spending cuts before new appropriations I can only imagine Trump will meet resistance with his "Construction Loan".

Have you already forgotten who NOW controls BOTH the House and Senate? And expected to be even stronger in 2018..... R Paul can make as many demands as he wishes........ votes will decide in the end...... you know,.... just like the electoral college :champagne:

 

[RodnJen]

We were not discussing visas, were we?
I thought we were discussing "the Wall", and your "cave pic" did not include planes and trains.......... but divert to other issues if you wish, your going to anyways.... :rolleyes

Actually I think the issue is illegal immigration and the solution proposed by the President-elect was a "wall", yoooge one. The wall will do little to solve the bigger issue of illegal immigration. And while some of you cowboy-types want to arm Americans every 100' and shoot on sight it is not a plausible or likely solution. I hope whatever the solution is that illegal immigration is halted and a mechanism for legal immigration is developed. I don't care who gets credit.

 

[was thatguy]

Or legally take any airline, train or car and overstay their visa, which is how a majority of them still in the US, got to the US. :smackhead

This is a great point. Those flying in and overstaying would, in my guess, NOT be criminal drug running killers.
I work with a guy who has been trying for 3 years to make his wife a legal citizen. It has been a nightmare for him. He is a stand up father, husband, and great co worker. His plight is not lost on me.

I realize that you will now say that you either enforce all laws or you do not enforce all laws, but I see ground deterence methods as the obvious initial point of restriction...as it pertains to accomplishing our assumed primary goals.

 

[was thatguy]

Actually I think the issue is illegal immigration and the solution proposed by the President-elect was a "wall", yoooge one. The wall will do little to solve the bigger issue of illegal immigration. And while some of you cowboy-types want to arm Americans every 100' and shoot on sight it is not a plausible or likely solution. I hope whatever the solution is that illegal immigration is halted and a mechanism for legal immigration is developed. I don't care who gets credit.

The area near Stainless is nearly there as far as the Wild West analogy.
Except it isn't Cowboys, but rather militia type groups with modern weaponry trying to moderately disrupt the flow of criminal elements.

 

[GRADS]

All this talk makes we want to listen to this....

 

[Stainless]

Have you already forgotten who NOW controls BOTH the House and Senate? And expected to be even stronger in 2018..... R Paul can make as many demands as he wishes........ votes will decide in the end...... you know,.... just like the electoral college :champagne:

That's all well and good if he doesn't lose congressional support, lets not forget there are plenty of R's that may not go along with BS all the time.
Also 2018 elections for some to be concerned about.

 

[SNiC Jet]

President Obama Builds A Wall Around New $5 Million Dollar Mansion in Washington, DC

WASHINGTON - Workers have already started building a wall around President Obama's new mansion with only 14 days until the First Family must move out of the White House. Photographs surfaced Friday morning showing a team of men constructing the wall.

As news of the wall spread several Twitter users quickly pointed out the perceived hypocrisy.


Perhaps Trump should be a "good sport" and give him a hand

 

[SNiC Jet]

Actually I think the issue is illegal immigration and the solution proposed by the President-elect was a "wall", yoooge one. The wall will do little to solve the bigger issue of illegal immigration. And while some of you cowboy-types want to arm Americans every 100' and shoot on sight it is not a plausible or likely solution. I hope whatever the solution is that illegal immigration is halted and a mechanism for legal immigration is developed. I don't care who gets credit.

Your in luck! The solutions have been here all along....We currently do have laws on the books to halt illegal immigration and allows for legal. We simply just don't embrace and enforce them!

And while some of you cowboy-types want to arm Americans every 100' and shoot on sight it is not a plausible or likely solution.

Where the fuck is this coming from? :headscratch:

In regards to "the wall", I don't care how it is constructed, it can even be "virtual" in nature for all I care, just as long as we stop the massive marching in of illegal immigration.

 

[Stainless]