The Rambler Marlin is back. Only $300K:

[TPC]

Its' not going to sell.
GM's 300 mile range EV $300.000 starting MSRP. Read that: Starting MSRP:

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Still ugly AF...

 

[TPC]

In the $200K price class I've seen a few Lucid EVs with damn near 500 Mile range around Los Angeles. No tester is getting 500 miles BTW.
The higher ends model Lucids are like the Mustang EV, they look better in person. Not photogenic.

The latest's in EVs tips and tales that we gather:

The Porsche Taycan and MB software is much improved and over-the-air updates are getting good takes as well. Both Kraut EVs are getting good range with less battery. MB is introducing lighter and different chemistry batteries in a few models this year.

Expect 50 to 80 miles farther range with German EVs than the MFGs claim. Expect less range with Teslas. About as claimed range with the Korean and American EVs.

VW still a crapshoot. Dismal EV customer and dealer service support. Brutal treatment what we're hearing. keep that paper trail for a lemon law action.

American EV software goofy, actually dizzy except Tesla which is excellent.

Wife charged her EV at the Electrify America on Katella and State College rd Tuesday and though past good experiences, this time fussy and a hassle. Managed to get 250 miles in a few minutes. Would have been about $11 but was free. Cranky chargers and brutally stiff and tough to handle cables and plug handle.
The current CCS/J1772 charging handle and cable is a PITA especially for chix to use, but:

More importantly:
The EV industry is switching over to the North American Charging Standard NACS handle/cable. AKA Tesla handle and cable. Much easier to use and is plug and play address-able.
BTW: Coolant flows through the charging cable on most versions of commercial pay-to-use public chargers above level 1.

Teslas NACS slim, light and easy to use, runs cooler and also addressable. No need for an app nor credit card action:

CCS J1772 a heavy, stiff bulky hassle and not addressable. But it does occasionally offer 1/3 more charging power and way faster speed than the Tesla:

BTW:
Look for the Tesla NACS to be more powerful in the coming months.

Most EV's slow down the charge at 80% to 100% except the Porsche Taycan. Blasts a full charge 0 to 100%. That's a BFD.
Wife said she got an over-the-air software update on her EV6 and now it does the same. Car charged before she's done walking the dog.

The first 2 minutes charging all EV's the charging KWs speed ramp slowly up if starting out under 10%.

 

[TPC]

Still ugly AF...

I'd be embarrassed to drive it.
Like the Tesla Cyber truck, NFW would the low profile, elusive wife be seen in it, much less drive it.

I remember when my work as forced by the State to have EV's 20 years ago. They were all so fucking ugly. I got a RAV that wasn't so bad. A simple conversion of the ICE version.
120 Mile range, expect 90, better be on the charger before 70. Took 24 hours to charge it, if lucky. If you ran the AC,, who knows?

 

[Angler]

I would buy a Hybrid before I'd ever buy an all electric vehicle.

 

[TPC]

I look for that Fuckball Newsom to ban those. Actions flowing to call his actions an over-reach.
He's a puppet of Bolshevik Billionaire elite Marxist Tom Steier and a Getty Heir.

No politician should have this kind of power.

 

[MPHSystems]

You’d think that if they were ever going to figure out how to make a battery car that works, they’d be a lot further along by now.

 

[coolchange]

I saw a Lucid Fri for the first time on the fwy. Black with silver top. Dark tint. They are wide. Coupled with a low roof line to body ratio makes it look chopped.
It typically take some time for new vehicles to grow on me. This thing is gangster.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

It is a classic Shooting Break design, GM is only building a couple of dozen, maybe a hundred. From what I've read they are fully bespoke and will be built to suit.

 

[DLow]

In the $200K price class I've seen a few Lucid EVs with damn near 500 Mile range around Los Angeles. No tester is getting 500 miles BTW.
The higher ends model Lucids are like the Mustang EV, they look better in person. Not photogenic.

The latest's in EVs tips and tales that we gather:

The Porsche Taycan and MB software is much improved and over-the-air updates are getting good takes as well. Both Kraut EVs are getting good range with less battery. MB is introducing lighter and different chemistry batteries in a few models this year.

Expect 50 to 80 miles farther range with German EVs than the MFGs claim. Expect less range with Teslas. About as claimed range with the Korean and American EVs.

VW still a crapshoot. Dismal EV customer and dealer service support. Brutal treatment what we're hearing. keep that paper trail for a lemon law action.

American EV software goofy, actually dizzy except Tesla which is excellent.

Wife charged her EV at the Electrify America on Katella and State College rd Tuesday and though past good experiences, this time fussy and a hassle. Managed to get 250 miles in a few minutes. Would have been about $11 but was free. Cranky chargers and brutally stiff and tough to handle cables and plug handle.
The current CCS/J1772 charging handle and cable is a PITA especially for chix to use, but:

More importantly:
The EV industry is switching over to the North American Charging Standard NACS handle/cable. AKA Tesla handle and cable. Much easier to use and is plug and play address-able.
BTW: Coolant flows through the charging cable on most versions of commercial pay-to-use public chargers above level 1.

Teslas NACS slim, light and easy to use, runs cooler and also addressable. No need for an app nor credit card action:

CCS J1772 a heavy, stiff bulky hassle and not addressable. But it does occasionally offer 1/3 more charging power and way faster speed than the Tesla:

Look for the Tesla NACS to be more powerful in the coming months.

I can see the difference between VW and Porsche as far as customer service at a stealership, but don’t they share the same hardware and tech, with Audi included under the VAG? Or is VAG not sharing the top equipment between the 3 badges? If that’s the case, huge mistake.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You’d think that if they were ever going to figure out how to make a battery car that works, they’d be a lot further along by now.

This. Because the only people consuming them have 3+ vehicles and are upper class.

So the play is to make them more and more expensive.

 

[FreeBird236]

You’d think that if they were ever going to figure out how to make a battery car that works, they’d be a lot further along by now.

Solid state batteries might be a game changer.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Solid state batteries might be a game changer.

They might be. The cars will also cost a ton.

Toyota is working on them though. Then where do you get the power to charge them is the question?

 

[Chili Palmer]

Is that GM’s version of a Porsche Panamera? Because it looks like they missed the boat. And why do the EV trucks have that stupid Avalanche stying at the back of the cab? Why can’t they make pickup that looks and is useful like a pickup truck?

 

[FreeBird236]

They might be. The cars will also cost a ton.

Toyota is working on them though. Then where do you get the power to charge them is the question?

I'm not an EV fan, but Toyota says they'll have them below current battery prices eventually.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm not an EV fan, but Toyota says they'll have them below current battery prices eventually.

Sure they will but that will take a decade or 2.

 

[FreeBird236]

Sure they will but that will take a decade or 2.

We'll see. I thought Toyota was talking about starting with them in their Hybrids in about 3 to 4 years.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We'll see. I thought Toyota was talking about starting with them in their Hybrids in about 3 to 4 years.

Yes for sure. I was talking an all EV play but yes that will be the way to usher them in and cut the cost somewhat over time.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Is that GM’s version of a Porsche Panamera? Because it looks like they missed the boat. And why do the EV trucks have that stupid Avalanche stying at the back of the cab? Why can’t they make pickup that looks and is useful like a pickup truck?

Aerodynamics. EVs need to be as aerodynamic as possible to maximize mileage.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Aerodynamics. EVs need to be as aerodynamic as possible to maximize mileage.

Yes. Check this out. Dudes cut everything off a Tesla Plaid. Saved over 900 lbs. They took it to a drag strip and it wouldn’t pick up ANY MHP. Put the front end back on and gained 3-4 MPH.

So they took it to a wind tunnel and the drag coefficient was .6. Stock body Model S is like .24.

What that means - It takes a stock model S like 165 HP to maintain 150 MPH. It takes the gutted one around 370 HP to maintain 150 MPH.

So they slapped a cardboard body on it and got it almost back to stock numbers.

 

[TPC]

Correction. This just out from GM:
"CMO Melissa Grady Dias announces the Celestiq's MSRP: $340,000 before destination, options, and any other fees."

I remember when we visited the Bowling Green Corvette factory back in '08. Their was a Cadillac assembly line there too. Off limits to visitors. It produced a small two seat Caddy if I recall and I never saw one on the road that I remember.

Caddy also had a model that was delivered shrink wrapped on a over sized pallet if I recall and it wasn't a hit.

BTW: Wifes not old enough to remember the Marlin but still wouldn't want one of these she says.

The thing I like the most about the Ford Lightning is it looks normal, and the amazing ride quality.