Spilling gas thanks to the brain trust at the EPA

[Taboma]

I finally had to shit can the last of my illegal gas cans I've used forever for my gas powered yard implements. Had to recently purchase a couple of 1 and 2 gallon cans from Home Depot ---- holy shit these friggin things suck donkey balls :grumble:

I've never spilled so much gas in my life, in fact I never used to spill any using the old jugs. Now I'm pouring the shit all over the top of my mower, and forget trying to press down on the sucker while filling the weed whackers. I try to pull back on the plunger manually then it leaks out because I'm not holding it straight vertical.

Is there anything out there worth a shit ? Or do I just keep dumping gas on the ground thanks to the EPA ? I can only guess whomever designed this shit and or approved it has never had the need to pour gas in anything.

What F--CK were they thinking ?? :grumble:

I've got the big illegal race jugs I use at Havasu for transferring gas, but they're way to big for refilling small gas engines.

Any tips ??

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I finally had to shit can the last of my illegal gas cans I've used forever for my gas powered yard implements. Had to recently purchase a couple of 1 and 2 gallon cans from Home Depot ---- holy shit these friggin things suck donkey balls :grumble:

I've never spilled so much gas in my life, in fact I never used to spill any using the old jugs. Now I'm pouring the shit all over the top of my mower, and forget trying to press down on the sucker while filling the weed whackers. I try to pull back on the plunger manually then it leaks out because I'm not holding it straight vertical.

Is there anything out there worth a shit ? Or do I just keep dumping gas on the ground thanks to the EPA ? I can only guess whomever designed this shit and or approved it has never had the need to pour gas in anything.

What F--CK were they thinking ?? :grumble:

I've got the big illegal race jugs I use at Havasu for transferring gas, but they're way to big for refilling small gas engines.

Any tips ??

I USE THE BIG jugs and pour into the ratio right ... then into the lantern:thumbup:

 

[Stainless]

I finally had to shit can the last of my illegal gas cans I've used forever for my gas powered yard implements. Had to recently purchase a couple of 1 and 2 gallon cans from Home Depot ---- holy shit these friggin things suck donkey balls :grumble:

I've never spilled so much gas in my life, in fact I never used to spill any using the old jugs. Now I'm pouring the shit all over the top of my mower, and forget trying to press down on the sucker while filling the weed whackers. I try to pull back on the plunger manually then it leaks out because I'm not holding it straight vertical.

Is there anything out there worth a shit ? Or do I just keep dumping gas on the ground thanks to the EPA ? I can only guess whomever designed this shit and or approved it has never had the need to pour gas in anything.

What F--CK were they thinking ?? :grumble:

I've got the big illegal race jugs I use at Havasu for transferring gas, but they're way to big for refilling small gas engines.

Any tips ??

Got pics of the new ones so I know what not to buy?

 

[Dettom]

I finally had to shit can the last of my illegal gas cans I've used forever for my gas powered yard implements. Had to recently purchase a couple of 1 and 2 gallon cans from Home Depot ---- holy shit these friggin things suck donkey balls :grumble:

I've never spilled so much gas in my life, in fact I never used to spill any using the old jugs. Now I'm pouring the shit all over the top of my mower, and forget trying to press down on the sucker while filling the weed whackers. I try to pull back on the plunger manually then it leaks out because I'm not holding it straight vertical.

Is there anything out there worth a shit ? Or do I just keep dumping gas on the ground thanks to the EPA ? I can only guess whomever designed this shit and or approved it has never had the need to pour gas in anything.

What F--CK were they thinking ?? :grumble:

I've got the big illegal race jugs I use at Havasu for transferring gas, but they're way to big for refilling small gas engines.

Any tips ??

Now there's an agency which has gone completely off the rails in search of government nirvana. None of those dipshits that designed those gas cans has ever fired up a lawnmower. Pansy weasels who count beans for a living and lick the ball sweat off of vagrants.

 

[triangleman]

I bypass the useless spout and just use a funnel .

 

[Kylemenz1]

I hate those things! Worst idea ever. I'm with you on spilling gas. You can't pour gas out of these new cans without spilling half the can.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I think the anti spill is in case the can falls / Tips over...

I seen a guys mo ho/ trailer/ sand rail and quads all burn to the ground...one of his jugs fell ovr in the trailer
when he hit the brakes try'n to stop for the turn off...the trailer brake got hot gas hit them and ....


that's why I put my cans past the axels... if they do spill it get the guy tailgating me and catches his car on fire

 

[Rvrluvr]

you tube it. There are several ways to modify the spout so it bypasses the stupid valve.


Sad thing is you can not buy the normal cans anymore. they are all this F'd up style. Welcome to Merica. Land of the Free. As long as you do it their way:rolleyes

 

[DirtyWhiteDog]

Remove cap, open beer, drink some of the beer, break or drill out stupid flap, find stopper for spills/evaporation, finish beer.

 

[Andy01]

Funny, I just fueled my stuff and thought "I have never spilled this much gas with any can I ever owned". Yeah the epa guy probably got a bonus for his great design.

 

[Gelcoater]

Funny this came up.
I'm going to attempt a Glamis trip soon and was by Malcolm Smith today for oil and filter and noticed the new caps for the 5 gallon jugs.
A couple of questions.
Do I need those new caps on all 3 of my jugs or could I get away with one new filler cap and swap it to whatever jug I'm using?
Anyone know what the fine is for having the old cans?

MS wants 49.00 for a 5 gallon fuel jug.:yikes

Lowes has a different shaped 5 with a different cap style,19.99

 

[TeamGreene]

These gas cans are such a piece of shit and twice the price of the old style. I remember when this bullshit law went into effect I went around and bought every 5 gallon can I could find. But they wore out and had to buy the "new and improved" EPA approved ones and being in construction the POS spouts were breaking left and right. Way to you go you dumb mother fuckers. Fixing a problem that didn't exist.

 

[RogerThat99]

Somebody's Brother In Law owns a gas can manufacturing company!!

 

[530RL]

You guys should move to Arizona. I have never even seen these EPA jugs.

I have heard that they will be policing it at the dunes but good luck. There are only a bazillion of the old style jugs lying around and I probably have 20.

How much can a ticket be? hundred bucks? At 8 bucks a gallon for Sunoco race fuel, it does not take much spillage to justify occasionally getting a ticket.

 

[pronstar]

Funny this came up.
I'm going to attempt a Glamis trip soon and was by Malcolm Smith today for oil and filter and noticed the new caps for the 5 gallon jugs.
A couple of questions.
Do I need those new caps on all 3 of my jugs or could I get away with one new filler cap and swap it to whatever jug I'm using?
Anyone know what the fine is for having the old cans?

MS wants 49.00 for a 5 gallon fuel jug.:yikes

Lowes has a different shaped 5 with a different cap style,19.99

There is nothing to prevent you from using the old cans. The law forbids the MFR and sale of them, nothing about owning or using them.

You can see for yourself here:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/consprod/fuel-containers/pfc/pfc.htm

Don't they still sell the old jugs as "utility liquid containers"?

Like these:
http://www.saferacer.com/scribner-5...xu4nlsoJH7b6Nwm9JTXRqKsTtnzIPc04rxxoCPuLw_wcB

 

[Boat 405]

If you have old ones it's not illegal to use them. Cut and pasted from their site.

The California Air Resources Board (ARB) adopted new emission and spill-control regulations for portable fuel containers, commonly known as "gas cans," and gas can spouts. The regulations apply to new gas cans and spouts sold in California starting January 1, 2001. There is no requirement for owners of gas cans or spouts sold before that date to modify their gas cans or to scrap them and buy new ones.

 

[Boat 405]

There is nothing to prevent you from using the old cans. The law forbids the MFR and sale of them, nothing about owning or using them.

You can see for yourself here:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/consprod/fuel-containers/pfc/pfc.htm

Don't they still sell the old jugs as "utility liquid containers"?

Like these:
http://www.saferacer.com/scribner-5...xu4nlsoJH7b6Nwm9JTXRqKsTtnzIPc04rxxoCPuLw_wcB

treed.... :thumbup:

 

[thedan]

http://ezpourspout.com/

They are pricey, but they will save your sanity. You can only buy the gas can ones in states that allow the regular cans. But in states like California, you can buy ones for your "Water Cans" that exactly match your gas cans. I have a few from here.

 

[pronstar]

Google "5 gallon utility jug" and you'll find tons of them.

 

[RiverDave]

Funny, I just fueled my stuff and thought "I have never spilled this much gas with any can I ever owned". Yeah the epa guy probably got a bonus for his great design.

They are the worst cans ever.. And God forbid you don't press down on the lever every now and again to vent em and you get a cold night in the garage.. They suck in and will never return to their previous shape.
As others have said I spill suit everywhere with these. Never spilled with any of my old cans.

 

[ductape1000]

http://ezpourspout.com/

They are pricey, but they will save your sanity. You can only buy the gas can ones in states that allow the regular cans. But in states like California, you can buy ones for your "Water Cans" that exactly match your gas cans. I have a few from here.

I was going to say that Rotopax sells a replacement spout for their water jug. [emoji39]

I think you got it covered though!! [emoji106]

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Funny this came up.
I'm going to attempt a Glamis trip soon and was by Malcolm Smith today for oil and filter and noticed the new caps for the 5 gallon jugs.
A couple of questions.
Do I need those new caps on all 3 of my jugs or could I get away with one new filler cap and swap it to whatever jug I'm using?
Anyone know what the fine is for having the old cans?

MS wants 49.00 for a 5 gallon fuel jug.:yikes

Lowes has a different shaped 5 with a different cap style,19.99

the lids are anti spill is they get knocked over....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

wheres all the firemen???

how many garage fires have started from water heaters and spilled gas cans

 

[was thatguy]

You guys should move to Arizona. I have never even seen these EPA jugs.

I have heard that they will be policing it at the dunes but good luck. There are only a bazillion of the old style jugs lying around and I probably have 20.

How much can a ticket be? hundred bucks? At 8 bucks a gallon for Sunoco race fuel, it does not take much spillage to justify occasionally getting a ticket.

Still justifying it I see, just pay the ticket and problem solved. Got it.

I've dealt directly with the EPA for, hell, must be 25 straight years now.
The absolute last thing that concerns them is the environment.

The ONLY thing that concerns them is revenue.
These cans are not supposed to help anything except the fines levied for non conformity, after, of course, strong arming manufacturers and retailers.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

theCANS ARE KNOCK OVER SPILL PROOF!!!!!FIRE DEPT REQUIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

wheres all the firemen???

how many garage fires have started from water heaters and spilled gas cans

Water heaters mounted off the ground......gas vapors heavier than air and don't rise

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Water heaters mounted off the ground......gas vapors heavier than air and don't rise

GAS IS LIKE PUTTING A TURD IN A GUNNY SACK...YOU SPILL IT ON THE FLOOR AND YOU WILL SMELL IT...


ITS THE SAME AS THE ANTI SPILL VALVES IN RACE CARS...EPA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... THE FIREMEN GOT TIRED OF THE HUMAN BB-Q'S

 

[Ziggy]

Water heaters mounted off the ground......gas vapors heavier than air and don't rise

That's the theory and absolutely true by way of physics.
You have good insurance, I take it.

 

[was thatguy]

GAS IS LIKE PUTTING A TURD IN A GUNNY SACK...YOU SPILL IT ON THE FLOOR AND YOU WILL SMELL IT...


ITS THE SAME AS THE ANTI SPILL VALVES IN RACE CARS...EPA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... THE FIREMEN GOT TIRED OF THE HUMAN BB-Q'S

You sure?

http://lawncare.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/a/PFC_regs.htm
http://publicaccess.supportportal.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=32525

https://lfb.org/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/

 

[500bbc]

I went into a local parts store several years ago to by a 5 gal fuel jug, he said they couldn't sell them anymore. I went on a rant about the fucking hippie assholes fucking everything up, he looked at his buddy, reached under the counter and said "We do have water jugs though". Even had a cute little sticker that said water jug on it.

 

[500bbc]

GAS IS LIKE PUTTING A TURD IN A GUNNY SACK...YOU SPILL IT ON THE FLOOR AND YOU WILL SMELL IT...


ITS THE SAME AS THE ANTI SPILL VALVES IN RACE CARS...EPA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT... THE FIREMEN GOT TIRED OF THE HUMAN BB-Q'S

It's an anti vent valve.

Actually a pro spill valve.:thumbup:

 

[boatpi]

And they are impossible to use on classic cars that fill from the license plate area as the spout is 5" too short!

 

[hallett21]

DO NOT USE WITH GAS lol [emoji6]

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stor...10002&langId=-1&productId=88962&storeId=10001

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stor...002&langId=-1&productId=2441200&storeId=10001

 

[Havaduner]

I finally had to shit can the last of my illegal gas cans I've used forever for my gas powered yard implements. Had to recently purchase a couple of 1 and 2 gallon cans from Home Depot ---- holy shit these friggin things suck donkey balls :grumble:

I've never spilled so much gas in my life, in fact I never used to spill any using the old jugs. Now I'm pouring the shit all over the top of my mower, and forget trying to press down on the sucker while filling the weed whackers. I try to pull back on the plunger manually then it leaks out because I'm not holding it straight vertical.

Is there anything out there worth a shit ? Or do I just keep dumping gas on the ground thanks to the EPA ? I can only guess whomever designed this shit and or approved it has never had the need to pour gas in anything.

What F--CK were they thinking ?? :grumble:

I've got the big illegal race jugs I use at Havasu for transferring gas, but they're way to big for refilling small gas engines.

Any tips ??

The EPA doesn't want you using a gas lawnmower either.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

You sure?

http://lawncare.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/a/PFC_regs.htm
http://publicaccess.supportportal.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=32525

https://lfb.org/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/

that was wrote by jeffry tucker.. wtf does he know... just like the writers that have the whole planet believing lake mead dry'd up:rolleyes

just cause you read it on the internet....:rolleyes

 

[Taboma]

I'm just curious that if we keep this going how much larger font size Steve can come up with

For the record --- yet off the record --- I've got the five gallon Jegs type jugs for the big machines, it's the smaller 1 to 2 gallon ones I use for the yard implements I keep struggling with and I see I'm not alone.

I've shopped in AZ at least in Havasu at HD and Lowes and all I find is the same cans they have in CA. Not sure about the new Tractor Supply store they opened up ?

Boat PI mentioned not being able to fill up classic cars, hell there's no way you could use one to fill my 2012 Ford truck either. Shit, that damned filler is sealed up tight (No gas cap required) unless you use the factory funnel, and there's no way you can push down on the EPA spout to open the fill valve while using a funnel.

That's part of the gripe Steve, you can't just pour the gas into another smaller container unless you use a Jegs type jug, because the new ones require that you push down on them. Also try holding your weed whacker while you hold the can and shove down, you need two fuckin people to gas the damned thing up. If you try to manually pull back the spout plunger 9 times out of 10 it will leak and run down your hand.

The EZ pour might be a solution, assuming I can even get one mailed to me here in CA. But thanks for the link, I'll be checking that one out, plus I see they have vent kits which would solve the venting problem.

Just a whole lot of fuckin around in order to simply pour a couple of quarts of gas in the ole mower or a cup or two in the weed whacker.

For those not familiar with the newer "Improved" safety spouts" that are anti-spill and pretty much anti-pour as well, here's a few designs I've encountered.

This one was one of the older NEW styles, can't seem to find them anymore, other than being cheap pieces of crap, they did actually work fairly well ---- for some applications.




This one seriously sucks unless you're filling something large enough you can apply your full body weight in down force to compress the spring and open it ---- OH and while twisting the green ring to release the nozzle --- compressing by hand in order to pour into a small tank or whatever might result in gas running down your hand.



This is the new one I'm currently fighting, had to run to HD to grab one after my old Blitz (Lawsuits up the ass I understand) split from old age. This one requires you hold it vertical, then simply press and release the plunger, shove it down hard enough to compress the plunger while NOT flipping over the mower, forget using it on a weed whacker. If you try to hold the spout more horizontal in order to actually see how much gas is in the tank, it will leak from plunger, if you try to manually compress the plunger it will leak and run down your hand.



But yes Steve you are correct, they are pretty much child proof, adult proof, idiot proof, in fact pretty much dispensing gas proof. I guess they're safer assuming that puddle of gas I'm standing in while fueling my mower doesn't somehow ignite :yikes

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I'm just curious that if we keep this going how much larger font size Steve can come up with

For the record --- yet off the record --- I've got the five gallon Jegs type jugs for the big machines, it's the smaller 1 to 2 gallon ones I use for the yard implements I keep struggling with and I see I'm not alone.

I've shopped in AZ at least in Havasu at HD and Lowes and all I find is the same cans they have in CA. Not sure about the new Tractor Supply store they opened up ?

Boat PI mentioned not being able to fill up classic cars, hell there's no way you could use one to fill my 2012 Ford truck either. Shit, that damned filler is sealed up tight (No gas cap required) unless you use the factory funnel, and there's no way you can push down on the EPA spout to open the fill valve while using a funnel.

That's part of the gripe Steve, you can't just pour the gas into another smaller container unless you use a Jegs type jug, because the new ones require that you push down on them. Also try holding your weed whacker while you hold the can and shove down, you need two fuckin people to gas the damned thing up. If you try to manually pull back the spout plunger 9 times out of 10 it will leak and run down your hand.

The EZ pour might be a solution, assuming I can even get one mailed to me here in CA. But thanks for the link, I'll be checking that one out, plus I see they have vent kits which would solve the venting problem.

Just a whole lot of fuckin around in order to simply pour a couple of quarts of gas in the ole mower or a cup or two in the weed whacker.

For those not familiar with the newer "Improved" safety spouts" that are anti-spill and pretty much anti-pour as well, here's a few designs I've encountered.

This one was one of the older NEW styles, can't seem to find them anymore, other than being cheap pieces of crap, they did actually work fairly well ---- for some applications.

View attachment 396012


This one seriously sucks unless you're filling something large enough you can apply your full body weight in down force to compress the spring and open it ---- OH and while twisting the green ring to release the nozzle --- compressing by hand in order to pour into a small tank or whatever might result in gas running down your hand.

View attachment 396013

This is the new one I'm currently fighting, had to run to HD to grab one after my old Blitz (Lawsuits up the ass I understand) split from old age. This one requires you hold it vertical, then simply press and release the plunger, shove it down hard enough to compress the plunger while NOT flipping over the mower, forget using it on a weed whacker. If you try to hold the spout more horizontal in order to actually see how much gas is in the tank, it will leak from plunger, if you try to manually compress the plunger it will leak and run down your hand.

View attachment 396014

But yes Steve you are correct, they are pretty much child proof, adult proof, idiot proof, in fact pretty much dispensing gas proof. I guess they're safer assuming that puddle of gas I'm standing in while fueling my mower doesn't somehow ignite :yikes

GUESS YOU COULD LOAD UP THE MOWER AND GO FUEL IT AT THE STATION IF YOU CAN'T FUGURE OUT A BETTER WAY

I TOTAL AGREE WITH YOU ON THE THEY ARE JUNK PIECES OF SHIT....
BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO STOP KNOCK OVER SPILLS...

I'VE LOST COUNT OF HOW MANYS TIMES I'VE BEEN WRONG IN THE PAST, AND CAN VERY WELL BE WRONG NOW... NOT ARGUING THAT THEY ARE HARD TO USE.... BUT THAT THE DESIGN IS FOR FUEL STORAGE...NOT SO MUCH FOR FUEL USESAGE

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I'm just curious that if we keep this going how much larger font size Steve can come up with

For the record --- yet off the record --- I've got the five gallon Jegs type jugs for the big machines, it's the smaller 1 to 2 gallon ones I use for the yard implements I keep struggling with and I see I'm not alone.

I've shopped in AZ at least in Havasu at HD and Lowes and all I find is the same cans they have in CA. Not sure about the new Tractor Supply store they opened up ?

Boat PI mentioned not being able to fill up classic cars, hell there's no way you could use one to fill my 2012 Ford truck either. Shit, that damned filler is sealed up tight (No gas cap required) unless you use the factory funnel, and there's no way you can push down on the EPA spout to open the fill valve while using a funnel.

That's part of the gripe Steve, you can't just pour the gas into another smaller container unless you use a Jegs type jug, because the new ones require that you push down on them. Also try holding your weed whacker while you hold the can and shove down, you need two fuckin people to gas the damned thing up. If you try to manually pull back the spout plunger 9 times out of 10 it will leak and run down your hand.

The EZ pour might be a solution, assuming I can even get one mailed to me here in CA. But thanks for the link, I'll be checking that one out, plus I see they have vent kits which would solve the venting problem.

Just a whole lot of fuckin around in order to simply pour a couple of quarts of gas in the ole mower or a cup or two in the weed whacker.

For those not familiar with the newer "Improved" safety spouts" that are anti-spill and pretty much anti-pour as well, here's a few designs I've encountered.

This one was one of the older NEW styles, can't seem to find them anymore, other than being cheap pieces of crap, they did actually work fairly well ---- for some applications.

View attachment 396012


This one seriously sucks unless you're filling something large enough you can apply your full body weight in down force to compress the spring and open it ---- OH and while twisting the green ring to release the nozzle --- compressing by hand in order to pour into a small tank or whatever might result in gas running down your hand.

View attachment 396013

This is the new one I'm currently fighting, had to run to HD to grab one after my old Blitz (Lawsuits up the ass I understand) split from old age. This one requires you hold it vertical, then simply press and release the plunger, shove it down hard enough to compress the plunger while NOT flipping over the mower, forget using it on a weed whacker. If you try to hold the spout more horizontal in order to actually see how much gas is in the tank, it will leak from plunger, if you try to manually compress the plunger it will leak and run down your hand.

View attachment 396014

But yes Steve you are correct, they are pretty much child proof, adult proof, idiot proof, in fact pretty much dispensing gas proof. I guess they're safer assuming that puddle of gas I'm standing in while fueling my mower doesn't somehow ignite :yikes

AND FOR THE RECORD , I THINK YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD THREAD GOING... fuc'n caps on:rolleyes

and very interested in all the different ideas to come up with for the problem....

I'm getting ready to do a new trailer and have to figure out fuel storage, I don't wanna do a fuel station because of the fire hazard if it leak...watching a guys stuff burn down has left a perm. brain scare for me...

I don't see why they don't just fine the people transporting with the vents open....and for the record.... yes I still run with sissors... that's still leagle

 

[Parker Dreamin]

I thought to store fuel the "can" or "jug" needed to be Red in color, no? Meaning if you stored fuel in the "water jugs" you could be up for a ticket I believe.

I have 4 of the Black water jugs that I use for fuel when out on Lake Mead and have never had an issue.

For CA is purchased this guy - so far, not too bad.

Tuff Jug makes them.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I thought to store fuel the "can" or "jug" needed to be Red in color, no? Meaning if you stored fuel in the "water jugs" you could be up for a ticket I believe.

I have 4 of the Black water jugs that I use for fuel when out on Lake Mead and have never had an issue.

For CA is purchased this guy - so far, not too bad.

Tuff Jug makes them.

View attachment 396026

COULD YOU DO A TEST video.... knock it over and see if it spills gas out??

looks like what might work for my trailer..:thumbup:

 

[Racey]

you tube it. There are several ways to modify the spout so it bypasses the stupid valve.


Sad thing is you can not buy the normal cans anymore. they are all this F'd up style. Welcome to Merica. Land of the Free. As long as you do it their way:rolleyes

You actually can still buy regular cans, they are sold as "Utility Jugs" they can't be marketed/sold as fuel cans. It's fockin stoopid i know, don't get me started.....

 

[Parker Dreamin]

COULD YOU DO A TEST video.... knock it over and see if it spills gas out??

looks like what might work for my trailer..:thumbup:

Couple Youtube videos - doesn't show any leaking.

[video=youtube;N0uWb4NQfOY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0uWb4NQfOY[/video]


[video=youtube;CC1WZHzpiag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1WZHzpiag[/video]

 

[Parkerguy18]

I'm just curious that if we keep this going how much larger font size Steve can come up with

For the record --- yet off the record --- I've got the five gallon Jegs type jugs for the big machines, it's the smaller 1 to 2 gallon ones I use for the yard implements I keep struggling with and I see I'm not alone.

I've shopped in AZ at least in Havasu at HD and Lowes and all I find is the same cans they have in CA. Not sure about the new Tractor Supply store they opened up ?

Boat PI mentioned not being able to fill up classic cars, hell there's no way you could use one to fill my 2012 Ford truck either. Shit, that damned filler is sealed up tight (No gas cap required) unless you use the factory funnel, and there's no way you can push down on the EPA spout to open the fill valve while using a funnel.

That's part of the gripe Steve, you can't just pour the gas into another smaller container unless you use a Jegs type jug, because the new ones require that you push down on them. Also try holding your weed whacker while you hold the can and shove down, you need two fuckin people to gas the damned thing up. If you try to manually pull back the spout plunger 9 times out of 10 it will leak and run down your hand.

The EZ pour might be a solution, assuming I can even get one mailed to me here in CA. But thanks for the link, I'll be checking that one out, plus I see they have vent kits which would solve the venting problem.

Just a whole lot of fuckin around in order to simply pour a couple of quarts of gas in the ole mower or a cup or two in the weed whacker.

For those not familiar with the newer "Improved" safety spouts" that are anti-spill and pretty much anti-pour as well, here's a few designs I've encountered.

This one was one of the older NEW styles, can't seem to find them anymore, other than being cheap pieces of crap, they did actually work fairly well ---- for some applications.

View attachment 396012


This one seriously sucks unless you're filling something large enough you can apply your full body weight in down force to compress the spring and open it ---- OH and while twisting the green ring to release the nozzle --- compressing by hand in order to pour into a small tank or whatever might result in gas running down your hand.

View attachment 396013

This is the new one I'm currently fighting, had to run to HD to grab one after my old Blitz (Lawsuits up the ass I understand) split from old age. This one requires you hold it vertical, then simply press and release the plunger, shove it down hard enough to compress the plunger while NOT flipping over the mower, forget using it on a weed whacker. If you try to hold the spout more horizontal in order to actually see how much gas is in the tank, it will leak from plunger, if you try to manually compress the plunger it will leak and run down your hand.

View attachment 396014

But yes Steve you are correct, they are pretty much child proof, adult proof, idiot proof, in fact pretty much dispensing gas proof. I guess they're safer assuming that puddle of gas I'm standing in while fueling my mower doesn't somehow ignite :yikes

I have purchased a few of the EZ Pour spouts off of amazon and they work great for the 5 gal mid-west jugs I was trying to convert. They come with vents so it makes the cans just like to old ones you are used to. And I am in CA so no problems getting them shipped here.

 

[250Eagle]

I thought to store fuel the "can" or "jug" needed to be Red in color, no? Meaning if you stored fuel in the "water jugs" you could be up for a ticket I believe.

I have 4 of the Black water jugs that I use for fuel when out on Lake Mead and have never had an issue.

For CA is purchased this guy - so far, not too bad.

Tuff Jug makes them.

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Those cans work ok. But they will split down the seem if you don't vent them regularly. I have had two cans go to the shit pile because they got hot and cold and split down the seem. Plus if you plan on fueling a rzr with them they will spill all over the place. They work well with quads and bike where they sit straight down while fueling. But not so well at a 45 angle.

 

[HitIt]

I wonder how much more gas vapor gets put into the air from spillage on the new style vs venting for the old style. I Used to be a master of the no-drip fillup. Impossible with the new cans. Seems like around 25% of what I am pouring ends up on the ground when filling a weed wacker.

This is the best I have found of the new style cans which all suck:

http://www.amazon.com/No-Spill-1405-2-Gallon-Poly-Compliant/dp/B000W72GBC

I have the 1.25 and 2.5 gallon sizes.

 

[Taboma]

I thought to store fuel the "can" or "jug" needed to be Red in color, no? Meaning if you stored fuel in the "water jugs" you could be up for a ticket I believe.

I have 4 of the Black water jugs that I use for fuel when out on Lake Mead and have never had an issue.

For CA is purchased this guy - so far, not too bad.

Tuff Jug makes them.

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Thanks for this link :thumbup:, these Tuff Jugs guys might just have solved my (Our) problem. It would appear that these jugs have threads and a vent with cap (Which must be punctured to use) that would allow the use of their standard caps and hose spouts. Seems only a select few of their Jugs are CA approved, I don't read they aren't AZ approved. If it can be confirmed that these standard caps will easily retro-fit their "Approved" spouts and it appears they will, then problem solved. They make five gallon and 2.7 gallon jugs of various colors. They make standard cap models in Red, but can't be shipped to CA, but they do make an orange (No sir, it's not orange, it's faded red) standard cap that doesn't exclude CA shipping.
Oddly they seem to sell for more on Amazon then directly from Tuff Jug, that's not usually the case.

These might work great for your application Steve, plus it seems that even with the "Anti-Spill" nozzle they'd work fine for Rzrs or ATVs.

Here's the 2.7 gal in orange with the standard cap --- they sell the hoses for these as well, although we all know those fittings and hose can be purchased at HD too.

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

Approved Cans & Non-Approved Cans

I've always used a siphon hose to transfer the fuel from the can to the tank

 

[Taboma]

Approved Cans & Non-Approved Cans

I've always used a siphon hose to transfer the fuel from the can to the tank

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Got a couple of those that get jerked off regularly

 

[Taboma]

???? for the guys who've been using the Tuff Jugs. Are the various spouts and caps they offer interchangeable, IE: universal from Jug type to Jug type ?? Hypothetically speaking of course :rolleyes

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Couple Youtube videos - doesn't show any leaking.

[video=youtube;N0uWb4NQfOY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0uWb4NQfOY[/video]


[video=youtube;CC1WZHzpiag]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1WZHzpiag[/video]

looks like awinner:thumbup:


just ordered my new jugs