Speed UTV take 3

[BHC Vic]

Sounded like Carl made a killing on one, I wonder how the others worked out? I wonder if he ended up ahead or not

 

[rivrrts429]

Desert riding is less stressful on the belts. Heavy 4 seat car in the dunes a different story. Only time I killed a belt in the desert was going over 90mph on a dry lake bed for several miles.

The clutch cover with a fan is a bandaid at best in my opinion. A lot of the things being tried with extra fans was done before on other UTVs with little success.

As Nikal has pointed out airflow is an issue along with alignment issues.

Cruising around Havasu is MUCH different than Glamis or racing.......

I have no idea why anyone that goes to Glamis would even look at purchasing a car like this? It makes you look like an amateur IMO. These cars have no business being in Glamis. It’s like when people bring the trophy trucks to the sand. It’s just a bunch of noise and takes a mile to get any speed.

My race car likely weighs twice as much as a stock car. Last place I’d want a heavy vehicle is in the sand.

Then they complain about busting belts. I’ve never lost a belt racing but, I can almost guarantee my car would smoke belts in a Glamis environment.

 

[hallett21]

I have no idea why anyone that goes to Glamis would even look at purchasing a car like this? It makes you look like an amateur IMO. These cars have no business being in Glamis. It’s like when people bring the trophy trucks to the sand. It’s just a bunch of noise and takes a mile to get any speed.

My race car likely weighs twice as much as a stock car. Last place I’d want a heavy vehicle is in the sand.

Then they complain about busting belts. I’ve never lost a belt racing but, I can almost guarantee my car would smoke belts in a Glamis environment.

I mean I’ve seen skaters and 42 fountains on the Strip so…..

 

[rivrrts429]

I mean I’ve seen skaters and 42 fountains on the Strip so…..

That’s crazy too lol

 

[c_land]

I have no idea why anyone that goes to Glamis would even look at purchasing a car like this? It makes you look like an amateur IMO. These cars have no business being in Glamis. It’s like when people bring the trophy trucks to the sand. It’s just a bunch of noise and takes a mile to get any speed.

My race car likely weighs twice as much as a stock car. Last place I’d want a heavy vehicle is in the sand.

Then they complain about busting belts. I’ve never lost a belt racing but, I can almost guarantee my car would smoke belts in a Glamis environment.

People buy a sxs to be a do-it-all vehicle.

 

[DLC]

I like the platform and design….

but

it needs to be more reliable!!

no over heating
no belt issues
no BS little issues
motor and trans needs to run with out issues for 1,000’s of miles


So I’ll wait

we put on 2-3,000 miles in a season doing point to point rides

 

[rivrrts429]

People buy a sxs to be a do-it-all vehicle.

This isn’t that car just like my Ferrari would never be my daily driver lol

 

[sandshark1]

I mean I’ve seen skaters and 42 fountains on the Strip so…..

LOL! I remember back in the late 80s on the Strip if you had a 26' boat it was huge. There use to be boat called Hancho out of the Keys that was probably the biggest boat on the Strip.

 

[sandshark1]

I have no idea why anyone that goes to Glamis would even look at purchasing a car like this? It makes you look like an amateur IMO. These cars have no business being in Glamis. It’s like when people bring the trophy trucks to the sand. It’s just a bunch of noise and takes a mile to get any speed.

My race car likely weighs twice as much as a stock car. Last place I’d want a heavy vehicle is in the sand.

Then they complain about busting belts. I’ve never lost a belt racing but, I can almost guarantee my car would smoke belts in a Glamis environment.

When RG shows videos of the Speed UTV out in the dunes it kind of gives an impression it is somewhat capable. The Speed car would be fine in the dunes if the motor actually put some hp to the wheels and they did not have a clutch set up that eats belts faster than a fat kid eats cake.

The Pro R four seater is not that much lighter than the Speed El Jeffe and scoots around no problem in Glamis. For me I rather have a 2 seat SXS in Glamis that is way more nimble.

We had a guy camp with us that had a Class 1 car. He got around the dunes, but did have to take some alternative lines in some spots.

 

[rivrrts429]

When RG shows videos of the Speed UTV out in the dunes it kind of gives an impression it is somewhat capable. The Speed car would be fine in the dunes if the motor actually put some hp to the wheels and they did not have a clutch set up that eats belts faster than a fat kid eats cake.

The Pro R four seater is not that much lighter than the Speed El Jeffe and scoots around no problem in Glamis. For me I rather have a 2 seat SXS in Glamis that is way more nimble.

We had a guy camp with us that had a Class 1 car. He got around the dunes, but did have to take some alternative lines in some spots.

You’re not wrong and I understand why RG posts those videos, it drives interest. Marketing today is a full time sales gig to stay relevant (that’s the business side of me talking) lol

I could have fun in Glamis in a class 11 as well. I’m just saying that the expectation is higher than it should be if you think this car is going to be a performer in the sand. That’s never been what it’s platform was designed for.

The ProR is one of the best cars developed today. It’s going to do everything well. If you like sand, mountain terrain and desert then thats the car for you. If you like strictly hard-pack desert, San Felipe whoops and Havasu washboard this car is going to be better equipped to do it well over a longer period of time.

I’ve raced many brands. I’m racing the Honda again in November at the Baja 1000. The Honda is anemic as hell. Absolutely boring to drive and we get passed by everyone in the first 500 miles but, it finishes. We won our class last year after everyone who passed us early in the race we then ended up passing them in the last 500 miles.

The Speed car is a desert car. Throw the worst terrain at it and it’ll perform (as long as the drivetrain holds together lol). It’s platform is based off of what RG knows best, Baja/Dakar.

It’s no better time than now to be a consumer. Each one has their pro’s/cons. I just find it funny when the weekend warrior who takes the car out 5 times a year on weekend trips to Glamis is frustrated with the Speed cars performance in that environment. The internet is full of these nerds.

The best overall car over a wide range of demographics/consumers is the ProR hands down. Polaris has nailed it with that car. For those who are looking for something a little more challenging and rowdy the Speed car is a contender. It’s the difference between a Hallett 240 and a twin outboard 21 DCB.

 

[dirtslinger2]

You’re not wrong and I understand why RG posts those videos, it drives interest. Marketing today is a full time sales gig to stay relevant (that’s the business side of me talking) lol

I could have fun in Glamis in a class 11 as well. I’m just saying that the expectation is higher than it should be if you think this car is going to be a performer in the sand. That’s never been what it’s platform was designed for.

The ProR is one of the best cars developed today. It’s going to do everything well. If you like sand, mountain terrain and desert then thats the car for you. If you like strictly hard-pack desert, San Felipe whoops and Havasu washboard this car is going to be better equipped to do it well over a longer period of time.

I’ve raced many brands. I’m racing the Honda again in November at the Baja 1000. The Honda is anemic as hell. Absolutely boring to drive and we get passed by everyone in the first 500 miles but, it finishes. We won our class last year after everyone who passed us early in the race we then ended up passing them in the last 500 miles.

The Speed car is a desert car. Throw the worst terrain at it and it’ll perform (as long as the drivetrain holds together lol). It’s platform is based off of what RG knows best, Baja/Dakar.

It’s no better time than now to be a consumer. Each one has their pro’s/cons. I just find it funny when the weekend warrior who takes the car out 5 times a year on weekend trips to Glamis is frustrated with the Speed cars performance in that environment. The internet is full of these nerds.

The best overall car over a wide range of demographics/consumers is the ProR hands down. Polaris has nailed it with that car. For those who are looking for something a little more challenging and rowdy the Speed car is a contender. It’s the difference between a Hallett 240 and a twin outboard 21 DCB.

well said, and if you drive a Speed in the desert, you'll get the hype.

 

[sandshark1]

You’re not wrong and I understand why RG posts those videos, it drives interest. Marketing today is a full time sales gig to stay relevant (that’s the business side of me talking) lol

I could have fun in Glamis in a class 11 as well. I’m just saying that the expectation is higher than it should be if you think this car is going to be a performer in the sand. That’s never been what it’s platform was designed for.

The ProR is one of the best cars developed today. It’s going to do everything well. If you like sand, mountain terrain and desert then thats the car for you. If you like strictly hard-pack desert, San Felipe whoops and Havasu washboard this car is going to be better equipped to do it well over a longer period of time.

I’ve raced many brands. I’m racing the Honda again in November at the Baja 1000. The Honda is anemic as hell. Absolutely boring to drive and we get passed by everyone in the first 500 miles but, it finishes. We won our class last year after everyone who passed us early in the race we then ended up passing them in the last 500 miles.

The Speed car is a desert car. Throw the worst terrain at it and it’ll perform (as long as the drivetrain holds together lol). It’s platform is based off of what RG knows best, Baja/Dakar.

It’s no better time than now to be a consumer. Each one has their pro’s/cons. I just find it funny when the weekend warrior who takes the car out 5 times a year on weekend trips to Glamis is frustrated with the Speed cars performance in that environment. The internet is full of these nerds.

The best overall car over a wide range of demographics/consumers is the ProR hands down. Polaris has nailed it with that car. For those who are looking for something a little more challenging and rowdy the Speed car is a contender. It’s the difference between a Hallett 240 and a twin outboard 21 DCB.

I agree with you 100%! The Pro R is a great SXS and the Maverick R seems to be pretty solid so far. For the sand the X3 and Maverick R do really well and closest you will get to a rail.

I have no doubt the Speed UTV is a desert eating machine.

 

[=River Perfection=]

LOL! I remember back in the late 80s on the Strip if you had a 26' boat it was huge. There use to be boat called Hancho out of the Keys that was probably the biggest boat on the Strip.

John Peters "Honcho" he had many circle boats and ski race boats in the 70s.

80's and early 90s were usually Hallett's on the Parker Strip, unforgettable sound of twins and huge ass wave. Boat was always full! Maybe a big Spectra b4 also?

 

[rivermobster]

You’re not wrong and I understand why RG posts those videos, it drives interest. Marketing today is a full time sales gig to stay relevant (that’s the business side of me talking) lol

I could have fun in Glamis in a class 11 as well. I’m just saying that the expectation is higher than it should be if you think this car is going to be a performer in the sand. That’s never been what it’s platform was designed for.

The ProR is one of the best cars developed today. It’s going to do everything well. If you like sand, mountain terrain and desert then thats the car for you. If you like strictly hard-pack desert, San Felipe whoops and Havasu washboard this car is going to be better equipped to do it well over a longer period of time.

I’ve raced many brands. I’m racing the Honda again in November at the Baja 1000. The Honda is anemic as hell. Absolutely boring to drive and we get passed by everyone in the first 500 miles but, it finishes. We won our class last year after everyone who passed us early in the race we then ended up passing them in the last 500 miles.

The Speed car is a desert car. Throw the worst terrain at it and it’ll perform (as long as the drivetrain holds together lol). It’s platform is based off of what RG knows best, Baja/Dakar.

It’s no better time than now to be a consumer. Each one has their pro’s/cons. I just find it funny when the weekend warrior who takes the car out 5 times a year on weekend trips to Glamis is frustrated with the Speed cars performance in that environment. The internet is full of these nerds.

The best overall car over a wide range of demographics/consumers is the ProR hands down. Polaris has nailed it with that car. For those who are looking for something a little more challenging and rowdy the Speed car is a contender. It’s the difference between a Hallett 240 and a twin outboard 21 DCB.

Perfectly said.

Me think Most of these, buying SxS's for the dunes, don't have Any dune experience!

 

[rivrrts429]

Perfectly said.

Me think Most of these, buying SxS's for the dunes, don't have Any dune experience!

You said the quiet part out loud

 

[sandshark1]

John Peters "Honcho" he had many circle boats and ski race boats in the 70s.

80's and early 90s were usually Hallett's on the Parker Strip, unforgettable sound of twins and huge ass wave. Boat was always full! Maybe a big Spectra b4 also?

That is it. I remember watching it go by pulling a skier that was doing flips off the wake. Back in the day when Sundance had the wet t-shirt contest and that place was show on the river around 3p on the weekends.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Im sure at some point one of these speed cars will go on the market for sale with a catastrophic engine failure that is not covered. I would be interested in buying one these. My question is what would be a good transplant engine/trans package for one?

 

[dirtslinger2]

Im sure at some point one of these speed cars will go on the market for sale with a catastrophic engine failure that is not covered. I would be interested in buying one these. My question is what would be a good transplant engine/trans package for one?

You missed out, there was one sold at auction that had the motor get filled with water after getting submerged in a creek overnight

 

[Bpracing1127]

Im sure at some point one of these speed cars will go on the market for sale with a catastrophic engine failure that is not covered. I would be interested in buying one these. My question is what would be a good transplant engine/trans package for one?

It’s sooo custom I think you can put any ole engine in there without some major modifications to intake, exhaust, clutching, transmission

 

[mash on it]

Im sure at some point one of these speed cars will go on the market for sale with a catastrophic engine failure that is not covered. I would be interested in buying one these. My question is what would be a good transplant engine/trans package for one?

LS (LSX)
RG already has that handled.

Dan'l

 

[riverroyal]

What is this 'speed" you're talking about?
Balloon has popped

 

[sandshark1]

Im sure at some point one of these speed cars will go on the market for sale with a catastrophic engine failure that is not covered. I would be interested in buying one these. My question is what would be a good transplant engine/trans package for one?

Can Am X3 motor would probably be the easiest if you want to retain 4wd.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Can Am X3 motor would probably be the easiest if you want to retain 4wd.

I wonder if using the Yamaha YXZ package would work best, I thought this was the original power plant they were using. I think this would be the best path on paper. Great engine to upgrade for HP and no belt.

 

[sandshark1]

I wonder if using the Yamaha YXZ package would work best, I thought this was the original power plant they were using. I think this would be the best path on paper. Great engine to upgrade for HP and no belt.

The YXZ motor was discussed as a possible use when the Speed UTV was just going to be a stretched Wildcat XX. They were also looking at the Suzuki Z1 motor, but that was no longer being manufactured.

The X3 motor has more hp and has a turbo from the factory. The YXZ motor is not a turbo from the factory.

 

[dirtslinger2]

The YXZ motor was discussed as a possible use when the Speed UTV was just going to be a stretched Wildcat XX. They were also looking at the Suzuki Z1 motor, but that was no longer being manufactured.

The X3 motor has more hp and has a turbo from the factory. The YXZ motor is not a turbo from the factory.

The motor is based off of the Z1, and just slightly changed, it's not a 100% ground up motor design.

 

[sandshark1]

The motor is based off of the Z1, and just slightly changed, it's not a 100% ground up motor design.

The Z1 made decent hp in stock form and was very reliable. 2 of my friends swapped Z1 motors in their Wildcats back in the day.

 

[stonehenge]

How is the role out of all the speed keys going? Everyone get theirs finally? Any feedback with all the extra hp from the speed key?


Very excited to hear all the positive feed back of this game changing item, the ever elusive speed key!

Speed Key 300 HP-Included for $1 on orders prior to Dec 1, 2020

This is the E85 R Vp Racing 300 HP tune, that came standard with all Speed UTV Vehicle orders prior to December 1 2020. If you have ordered a vehicle prior to Dec 1 2020 this was included for a dollar…

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[stonehenge]

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only 31 for this brand new speed, with some options and a break in kit, not to shabby

 

[sandshark1]

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only 31 for this brand new speed, with some options and a break in kit, not to shabby

That is a great deal for someone. They must really want to get rid of it as that is selling at a loss.

 

[stonehenge]

That is a great deal for someone. They must really want to get rid of it as that is selling at a loss.

Yea, for a stealership to sell it at a fairly reasonable price is strange.

 

[Romans9]

Yea, for a stealership to sell it at a fairly reasonable price is strange.

Strange? More like a sign…….

 

[stonehenge]

Strange? More like a sign…….

Perhaps.

 

[Ziggy]

This thread has really slowed down.

Seems like a decent deal for a well optioned UTV.

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Lot of Speed UTV’s just sitting on the secondary market.

I saw a Speed Car for sale at AZ West last week as well.

 

[DLC]

Got the towels set on Speed Dry ….

 

[bonesfab]

Got the towels set on Speed Dry ….

View attachment 1406509

The speeds are so hot they probably dried instantly.

 

[NIKAL]

Strange? More like a sign…….

What’s the sign? That a private owner Speed UTV is sell at the customers cost during the summer?

Is it the same sign Polaris & Can Am are having? It is summer time and not the riding or buying season for UTV’s and ATV’s.

Can Am had a big price drop on the Mav R a few months ago. Polaris has $3000 rebates going and the dealer by me has an additional dealer discount on some models. Earlier this year Polaris dropped the dealer pricing tier on the Xpedition models as they have not been selling as well as expected.

Are they seeing the same sign?

Honestly imo the Speed cars will be selling for less then you are seeing now, because they lack any local dealer support. IMO that’s going to cripple Speed. In my neighborhood there were 6 Speed’s on order. One guy sold his spot as they moved to another state. Two now have cars and like them, but are very disappointed in Speed’s business plan to not have dealers. One of those had a second car on order, but for a few family reasons, decided to get a refund on the second car. Another neighbor just recently got a refund as he got tired of waiting, bought a used Pro R, and is more than happy with it, plus he’s got local dealer support. Which was a big deal to him, as he mentioned it as a reason to back out of the Speed.

 

[Ziggy]

What’s the sign? That a private owner Speed UTV is sell at the customers cost during the summer?

Is it the same sign Polaris & Can Am are having? It is summer time and not the riding or buying season for UTV’s and ATV’s.

Can Am had a big price drop on the Mav R a few months ago. Polaris has $3000 rebates going and the dealer by me has an additional dealer discount on some models. Earlier this year Polaris dropped the dealer pricing tier on the Xpedition models as they have not been selling as well as expected.

Are they seeing the same sign?

Honestly imo the Speed cars will be selling for less then you are seeing now, because they lack any local dealer support. IMO that’s going to cripple Speed. In my neighborhood there were 6 Speed’s on order. One guy sold his spot as they moved to another state. Two now have cars and like them, but are very disappointed in Speed’s business plan to not have dealers. One of those had a second car on order, but for a few family reasons, decided to get a refund on the second car. Another neighbor just recently got a refund as he got tired of waiting, bought a used Pro R, and is more than happy with it, plus he’s got local dealer support. Which was a big deal to him, as he mentioned it as a reason to back out of the Speed.

It's prime selling season for utv/atv's outside of the 120° zone.

 

[Romans9]

What’s the sign? That a private owner Speed UTV is sell at the customers cost during the summer?

Is it the same sign Polaris & Can Am are having? It is summer time and not the riding or buying season for UTV’s and ATV’s.

Can Am had a big price drop on the Mav R a few months ago. Polaris has $3000 rebates going and the dealer by me has an additional dealer discount on some models. Earlier this year Polaris dropped the dealer pricing tier on the Xpedition models as they have not been selling as well as expected.

Are they seeing the same sign?

Honestly imo the Speed cars will be selling for less then you are seeing now, because they lack any local dealer support. IMO that’s going to cripple Speed. In my neighborhood there were 6 Speed’s on order. One guy sold his spot as they moved to another state. Two now have cars and like them, but are very disappointed in Speed’s business plan to not have dealers. One of those had a second car on order, but for a few family reasons, decided to get a refund on the second car. Another neighbor just recently got a refund as he got tired of waiting, bought a used Pro R, and is more than happy with it, plus he’s got local dealer support. Which was a big deal to him, as he mentioned it as a reason to back out of the Speed.

Yes it’s a sign of everything you just posted.

 

[sandshark1]

What’s the sign? That a private owner Speed UTV is sell at the customers cost during the summer?

Is it the same sign Polaris & Can Am are having? It is summer time and not the riding or buying season for UTV’s and ATV’s.

Can Am had a big price drop on the Mav R a few months ago. Polaris has $3000 rebates going and the dealer by me has an additional dealer discount on some models. Earlier this year Polaris dropped the dealer pricing tier on the Xpedition models as they have not been selling as well as expected.

Are they seeing the same sign?

Honestly imo the Speed cars will be selling for less then you are seeing now, because they lack any local dealer support. IMO that’s going to cripple Speed. In my neighborhood there were 6 Speed’s on order. One guy sold his spot as they moved to another state. Two now have cars and like them, but are very disappointed in Speed’s business plan to not have dealers. One of those had a second car on order, but for a few family reasons, decided to get a refund on the second car. Another neighbor just recently got a refund as he got tired of waiting, bought a used Pro R, and is more than happy with it, plus he’s got local dealer support. Which was a big deal to him, as he mentioned it as a reason to back out of the Speed.

Is your Speed getting closer to being built and delivered?

Summer time is the best time to scoop up deals on any UTV.

 

[dirtslinger2]

That is a great deal for someone. They must really want to get rid of it as that is selling at a loss.

Since you're posting about this on the other forum's.

This car is not selling at a loss. The original pricing for an LE Diablo was $30K, mirrors were $250, and the break-in kit was $364. There are no other accessories on this, and there was no delivery fee for this dealership.
Taxes have not been paid either, these are sold with an MSO, so until some buys it, no taxes have been paid.

 

[Hammer]

LOL! I remember back in the late 80s on the Strip if you had a 26' boat it was huge. There use to be boat called Hancho out of the Keys that was probably the biggest boat on the Strip.

I remember Honcho. I thought it was the coolest boat ever when I would see it in the keys as a kid. LOL

 

[zhandfull]

I’ll just drop this here. State of toy industry is not looking great.

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[2Driver]

Got the towels set on Speed Dry ….

View attachment 1406509

LOl and resorts think if they make towels like that no one will take them.

 

[sandshark1]

I’ll just drop this here. State of toy industry is not looking great.

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They still generated $1.97 billion in sales the second quarter. Crazy to think they generated that much in sales. Hopefully this means more rebates and finance incentives.

 

[McCredie A]

Nikal, did Speed say they do not want dealers anymore?

 

[rivrrts429]

They still generated $1.97 billion in sales the second quarter. Crazy to think they generated that much in sales. Hopefully this means more rebates and finance incentives.

ROCA and EBITDA is the telling sign. I haven’t seen those numbers but the stock price falling well short is a tell-tell sign.

 

[rivermobster]

It's prime selling season for utv/atv's outside of the 120° zone.

Right?

There is Way more off roading going on in the mountains, than there is in the deserts in the winter.

 

[zhandfull]

Off-road was actually one of Polaris better performers only down 6% y/y.

Marine was down 40% y/y. That hurts.

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[DWC]

Off-road was actually one of Polaris better performers only down 6% y/y.

Marine was down 40% y/y. That hurts.

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Please, please, No facts, figures in this thread. Only opinions based on pure emotion. It’s hard to tell if you have a Speed Car/deposit

 

[sandshark1]

Since you're posting about this on the other forum's.

This car is not selling at a loss. The original pricing for an LE Diablo was $30K, mirrors were $250, and the break-in kit was $364. There are no other accessories on this, and there was no delivery fee for this dealership.
Taxes have not been paid either, these are sold with an MSO, so until some buys it, no taxes have been paid.

I thought it had more than the mirrors and break in kit, then I realized those are stickers in the dash area that make it look like it has more accessories.