Speed UTV take 3

[NIKAL]

Ya the premium is about 3-4K less MSRP. There are getting to be some deals out there again now thats for sure! Which honestly is bad for Speed because they arent discounting their machines since they havent even delivered all of the orders yet.....

How is this bad for Speed? The other manufactures price reductions don’t affect Speed as they are not competing on the dealer floors yet. These other manufactures bring discounts & rebates in to move over projected stock in inventory. Polaris has sales tiers based on sales & production inventory. In Speeds case I don’t see them ever “over” producing inventory. I suspect Speeds going to be a brand that when settled in, will be a 15K units a year company based on the current 3 models. I also will bet they will reduce production vs have stock just sitting. I believe they will use a less is more to keep demand up vs flooding the market and then having dealers have to discount vehicles to clear the sales floors for new models.

Speed will not be making as many models or producing as many vehicles as a Polaris or Can Am. They will be more of a niche market like Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Segway, AC are with a few models and much smaller production volume.

 

[Englewood]

How is this bad for Speed? The other manufactures price reductions don’t affect Speed as they are not competing on the dealer floors yet. These other manufactures bring discounts & rebates in to move over projected stock in inventory. Polaris has sales tiers based on sales & production inventory. In Speeds case I don’t see them ever “over” producing inventory. I suspect Speeds going to be a brand that when settled in, will be a 15K units a year company based on the current 3 models. I also will bet they will reduce production vs have stock just sitting. I believe they will use a less is more to keep demand up vs flooding the market and then having dealers have to discount vehicles to clear the sales floors for new models.

Speed will not be making as many models or producing as many vehicles as a Polaris or Can Am. They will be more of a niche market like Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Segway, AC are with a few models and much smaller production volume.

Honest question -

If a potential buyer were looking at a ProR4 vs. a 4 Seat Speed, is it cheaper to go ProR or Speed? I'm not familiar w speed pricing.

 

[NIKAL]

Honest question -

If a potential buyer were looking at a ProR4 vs. a 4 Seat Speed, is it cheaper to go ProR or Speed? I'm not familiar w speed pricing.

Never mind the price. If you don’t have a Speed on order, you not getting one at best until the end of 2024. So if you’re looking for a car for this season, Speeds not going to be an option, unless you purchased someone else’s spot.

As far as cheaper, that’s a loaded question. Polaris has more trim levels of each model to give you the option to price up or down. Also Speed comes standard with items you would most likely be changing out on a Pro R or Pro Turbo, so that should be considered in the overall price.

 

[Slick]

Ya the premium is about 3-4K less MSRP. There are getting to be some deals out there again now thats for sure! Which honestly is bad for Speed because they arent discounting their machines since they havent even delivered all of the orders yet.....

The ultimate price is 38k otd. Picked up the premium for 36k a couple months ago when the ultimate was 40k.. Legit place. They buy in bulk. Snowmobile season now up there so they want to off load.

 

[Slick]

Spoke to guy. It was a 2023 Ultimate in Virginia. Sold within 5 minutes of posting. After transport you'd be low 40's. Based on other comments in the thread, people are claiming 40-42k otd for Pro R4/2023 @ Ride Now in AZ. But it's the Internet, so who really knows.

No add on fees here like Ride Now. Salesman indicated RideNow hates them

 

[Englewood]

Never mind the price. If you don’t have a Speed on order, you not getting one at best until the end of 2024. So if you’re looking for a car for this season, Speeds not going to be an option, unless you purchased someone else’s spot.

As far as cheaper, that’s a loaded question. Polaris has more trim levels of each model to give you the option to price up or down. Also Speed comes standard with items you would most likely be changing out on a Pro R or Pro Turbo, so that should be considered in the overall price.

Im not talking shit at all...Genuine question.

What options would someone have to add to a ProR to compete with a stock Speed?

 

[NIKAL]

Just something interesting to watch.

 

[NIKAL]

Im not talking shit at all...Genuine question.

What options would someone have to add to a ProR to compete with a stock Speed?


@RiverDave. To your doorstep $42,500.

Again some of it’s going to depend on what trim level you get? And what is your definition of compete? Right now the Pro R’s 225 HP is faster then Speeds 225 HP, and the Polaris is proven more reliable at this point. Polaris has nationwide dealer support, Speed does not.

But we know the Speed cage is made of .095 DOM like most aftermarket cages, and we know the majority of Polaris or Can Am owners swap to aftermarket cages. Speeds whole chassis is made of Chromoly & DOM in .120, 995 & .083 wall thickness. Polaris is mild steel at best and maybe .065 & .083 at its thickest. To some this is a big deal, to others they could care less. Speed comes standard with real 5 point cam lock seat belts. Not some automotive style seat belts, that most switch out. Overall Speeds Shock valving is on point vs what you get with a Polaris. Both will eventually need Springs. Dollar vs dollar Speeds suspension is built like aftermarket suspension using Chromoly plate vs stamped steel. The ProR suspension is much stronger then previous RZR models, and aftermarket is not needed as much, but the aftermarket has fixed some of the production geometry short comings on the ProR. Speeds production geometry is much better. Some don’t care? Speed has a trim with radio/intercom standard, window nets standard.

Honestly it’s going to come down to what you like more. Both have cool features. I love Polaris’s telescoping steering wheel. I love that Speed designed a collapsible steering column for safety. If your into tech & creature comforts like Ride command or electric shock adjustments the Polaris is going to be your pick. But Speeds interior finish is much nicer with real door handles, inner door panels, speaker pockets, carbon fiber finish look on the plastics. Pro R offers none of that. If you’re looking for proper design & strength, with real racing designed suspension & geometry, then Speed’s your car. I like the ergonomics of the Speed better then the Pro R, but maybe with better seats in a Pro that could change? But the Speed gears are louder, shifting into 4wd is manual, not electronic. If you want to run a windshield the Pro R is your choice, if you want less heat in the cab, Speeds a better choice. Speed builds allot of plug in play ability with electrical pigtails on all cars. Built in spare tire mounting. Real cargo storage, tow hitch etc.., pro R offers none of that.

Imo the best way to really compare the two is to look, touch and sit in each one. They both have their pluses.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

How is this bad for Speed? The other manufactures price reductions don’t affect Speed as they are not competing on the dealer floors yet. These other manufactures bring discounts & rebates in to move over projected stock in inventory. Polaris has sales tiers based on sales & production inventory. In Speeds case I don’t see them ever “over” producing inventory. I suspect Speeds going to be a brand that when settled in, will be a 15K units a year company based on the current 3 models. I also will bet they will reduce production vs have stock just sitting. I believe they will use a less is more to keep demand up vs flooding the market and then having dealers have to discount vehicles to clear the sales floors for new models.

Speed will not be making as many models or producing as many vehicles as a Polaris or Can Am. They will be more of a niche market like Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Segway, AC are with a few models and much smaller production volume.

But they are competing on the dealer floor right now at coyne in El Centro.

As for the video posted the dude stuffed it into a witches eye so not surprised at all with the damage done. Nicely built named brand sand cars would’ve suffered the same fate.

You of all people are aware of all the issues with all the cars being sold now but easily turn a blind eye to all things speed and that’s great for you. But don’t expect everyone else to.

Again I’m a buyer in a few years and love watching all the speed developments real time. But I’m not looking with rose colored glasses.

 

[Fishd00d]

How is this bad for Speed?

I will explain why its bad for Speed. When Pro Rs were selling at MSRP or above due to demand you would have to buy a 45K Pro R and then put at least 10K into it if you wanted it to have the same bells and whistles that a Speed car comes with. (Seats, Cage, Radio/Intercom, Lights)

Now if you can get a Pro R for under 40K and add in 10K or so of parts you are cheaper than a Speed at current day pricing.

If it becomes more expensive to buy a Speed than a Pro R with a bunch of add ons then thats a huge problem for Speed. Why would someone buy a Speed if the biggest selling factor was it comes ready to go.

99% of drivers buying a UTV are not going to notice the suspension design if different or care once they are behind the wheel.

 

[NIKAL]

But they are competing on the dealer floor right now at coyne in El Centro.

As for the video posted the dude stuffed it into a witches eye so not surprised at all with the damage done. Nicely built named brand sand cars would’ve suffered the same fate.

You of all people are aware of all the issues with all the cars being sold now but easily turn a blind eye to all things speed and that’s great for you. But don’t expect everyone else to.

Again I’m a buyer in a few years and love watching all the speed developments real time. But I’m not looking with rose colored glasses.

You might want to read my next post if you think I wear only rose glasses.

 

[RiverDave]

Honest question -

If a potential buyer were looking at a ProR4 vs. a 4 Seat Speed, is it cheaper to go ProR or Speed? I'm not familiar w speed pricing.

Be pretty close for an le.. more for an rg

 

[Fishd00d]

Again some of it’s going to depend on what trim level you get? And what is your definition of compete? Right now the Pro R’s 225 HP is faster then Speeds 225 HP, and the Polaris is proven more reliable at this point. Polaris has nationwide dealer support, Speed does not.

But we know the Speed cage is made of .095 DOM like most aftermarket cages, and we know the majority of Polaris or Can Am owners swap to aftermarket cages. Speeds whole chassis is made of Chromoly & DOM in .120, 995 & .083 wall thickness. Polaris is mild steel at best and maybe .065 & .083 at its thickest. To some this is a big deal, to others they could care less. Speed comes standard with real 5 point cam lock seat belts. Not some automotive style seat belts, that most switch out. Overall Speeds Shock valving is on point vs what you get with a Polaris. Both will eventually need Springs. Dollar vs dollar Speeds suspension is built like aftermarket suspension using Chromoly plate vs stamped steel. The ProR suspension is much stronger then previous RZR models, and aftermarket is not needed as much, but the aftermarket has fixed some of the production geometry short comings on the ProR. Speeds production geometry is much better. Some don’t care? Speed has a trim with radio/intercom standard, window nets standard.

Honestly it’s going to come down to what you like more. Both have cool features. I love Polaris’s telescoping steering wheel. I love that Speed designed a collapsible steering column for safety. If your into tech & creature comforts like Ride command or electric shock adjustments the Polaris is going to be your pick. But Speeds interior finish is much nicer with real door handles, inner door panels, speaker pockets, carbon fiber finish look on the plastics. Pro R offers none of that. If you’re looking for proper design & strength, with real racing designed suspension & geometry, then Speed’s your car. I like the ergonomics of the Speed better then the Pro R, but maybe with better seats in a Pro that could change? But the Speed gears are louder, shifting into 4wd is manual, not electronic. If you want to run a windshield the Pro R is your choice, if you want less heat in the cab, Speeds a better choice. Speed builds allot of plug in play ability with electrical pigtails on all cars. Built in spare tire mounting. Real cargo storage, tow hitch etc.., pro R offers none of that.

Imo the best way to really compare the two is to look, touch and sit in each one. They both have their pluses.

Incorrect on a lot of this.

Polaris new cage is much thicker than previous models and its 2", you do not NEED to change it like you did on the older models. Its ugly for sure which is why most change it.

The stock speed harnesses are CRAP. Ive had several friends who have the have a complete failure of the belt!! They are a must change item.

Valving is just fine in the Ultimate Package with the live valve, its so badass to be able to change driving modes which the Speed can not do. The stock springs suck but you do not need to touch the valving at all on the Fox Live Valves.

I have yet to see a Polaris Suspension fail, front or rear besides the early balljoints which are no longer an issue since they fixed it. Hell most of the Pro R race cars are running the stock arms front and rear!

Pro R comes with a factory stereo as well.

There is a bed on the Pro R and they have some storage box options as well. Yes the spare mounts better on a speed but then you have to have the tailgate down and thats kinda weird IMO.

 

[NIKAL]

I will explain why its bad for Speed. When Pro Rs were selling at MSRP or above due to demand you would have to buy a 45K Pro R and then put at least 10K into it if you wanted it to have the same bells and whistles that a Speed car comes with. (Seats, Cage, Radio/Intercom, Lights)

Now if you can get a Pro R for under 40K and add in 10K or so of parts you are cheaper than a Speed at current day pricing.

If it becomes more expensive to buy a Speed than a Pro R with a bunch of add ons then thats a huge problem for Speed. Why would someone buy a Speed if the biggest selling factor was it comes ready to go.

99% of drivers buying a UTV are not going to notice the suspension design if different or care once they are behind the wheel.

You’re projecting pricing based on right now. Right now you can’t walk in and buy a Speed. Polaris pricing is dropped for many reasons. Over inventory, new model years coming out. This happens every year. But Speeds not sitting on dealer floors. So to compare a dealers, yesterdays pricing, or todays pricing or tomorrow’s prices is mute until Speed has cars on the dealer floors to compete for customer share. And the pricing you’re seeing is what the dealers are making, and why are dealers lowering prices? Because they have inventory to move. Right now Speeds cars are 100% sold. Every car rolling into their showroom has a buyer. Those cars are not competing against other brands for buyers.

When Speed has cars on dealer floors for walk in, then it will matter, and maybe Speed does a price correction on its MSRP? But I can confirm as I was told by Speed, they have no intentions of building cars, just to have to offer manufacturer rebates to sell them.

 

[Fishd00d]

Right now Speeds cars are 100% sold. Every car rolling into their showroom has a buyer. Those cars are not competing against other brands for buyers.

They are sold at EARLY pricing......thats a huge difference......There are a lot for sale on the market that are NOT selling right now too....

 

[NIKAL]

Incorrect on a lot of this.

Polaris new cage is much thicker than previous models and its 2", you do not NEED to change it like you did on the older models. Its ugly for sure which is why most change it.

The stock speed harnesses are CRAP. Ive had several friends who have the have a complete failure of the belt!! They are a must change item.

Valving is just fine in the Ultimate Package with the live valve, its so badass to be able to change driving modes which the Speed can not do. The stock springs suck but you do not need to touch the valving at all on the Fox Live Valves.

I have yet to see a Polaris Suspension fail, front or rear besides the early balljoints which are no longer an issue since they fixed it. Hell most of the Pro R race cars are running the stock arms front and rear!

Pro R comes with a factory stereo as well.

There is a bed on the Pro R and they have some storage box options as well. Yes the spare mounts better on a speed but then you have to have the tailgate down and thats kinda weird IMO.

Ok Fish your always right!

Btw you can run a cargo box & spare tire on a Speed with the tailgate up.

 

[Fishd00d]

Ok Fish your always right!

Btw you can run a cargo box & spare tire on a Speed with the tailgate up.

Just pointing out some facts haha!

You can have a spare and have a box and tailgate up?? Why does no one? Why are all the tailgates down?

 

[RiverDave]

Incorrect on a lot of this.

Polaris new cage is much thicker than previous models and its 2", you do not NEED to change it like you did on the older models. Its ugly for sure which is why most change it.

The stock speed harnesses are CRAP. Ive had several friends who have the have a complete failure of the belt!! They are a must change item.

Valving is just fine in the Ultimate Package with the live valve, its so badass to be able to change driving modes which the Speed can not do. The stock springs suck but you do not need to touch the valving at all on the Fox Live Valves.

I have yet to see a Polaris Suspension fail, front or rear besides the early balljoints which are no longer an issue since they fixed it. Hell most of the Pro R race cars are running the stock arms front and rear!

Pro R comes with a factory stereo as well.

There is a bed on the Pro R and they have some storage box options as well. Yes the spare mounts better on a speed but then you have to have the tailgate down and thats kinda weird IMO.

The belts on the speed aren’t crap.. actually some
Of the nicer ones out there. You don’t need the tailgate down for the spare either.. if you want the crescent and side boxes you do. If it’s just the crescent and the tire ya don’t

 

[NicPaus]

Friend recently bought a new Pro 4 in Havasu after shopping around. I didn't see the invoice. But $51K otd was the number I heard. No ADM just tax license.

 

[Fishd00d]

The belts on the speed aren’t crap.. actually some
Of the nicer ones out there. You don’t need the tailgate down for the spare either.. if you want the crescent and side boxes you do. If it’s just the crescent and the tire ya don’t

Ask some people who have used the car in the desert for a bit about their belts. They literally were falling apart and failed.

 

[Hammer]

I think your numbers are a bit high.

I just built a Pro-R 2 seater.

SF Racework's Cage/Roof Rack/Rear wing
Windshield
SF Racework's Front Bumper
DRT Spare tire rack
DRT Rear Trunk
Baja Designs Chase bar
Baja Designs XL80 Baja Lights
5 Raceline beadlock Wheels/ 5 BFG 35" tires
2 5150 whips
SDG Suspension tune ($2,500)
PRP Harnesses
PCI Air Pumper
Switch Pros
PCI Tax Intercom w/ Kenwood radio
Chupacabra Mirrors
DRT Door bags
Turn signal kit
Professionally Installed and wired

I am in it 62k. You could easily build a nice 4 seat Pro R for 60k (less if you can install yourself). I saw a Pro R4 for 36k +tax today from a dealer.


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Congrats! Great looking car.

 

[Hammer]

Friend recently bought a new Pro 4 in Havasu after shopping around. I didn't see the invoice. But $51K otd was the number I heard. No ADM just tax license.

This is realistic pricing... You know what I paid for my Turbo R.

I think a better comparison is a Turbo R Premium to a Speed Car.

I will share my build sheet and real world costs when I start my build thread.(Seats/Cage/Comms/Windshield/Lights etc..) I know where I think I'll be, but its going to be over 50k by the time I'm done.... Pro R would be 60K+ all in I bet.

 

[Bowtiepower00]

This is realistic pricing... You know what I paid for my Turbo R.

I think a better comparison is a Turbo R Premium to a Speed Car.

I will share my build sheet and real world costs when I start my build thread.(Seats/Cage/Comms/Windshield/Lights etc..) I know where I think I'll be, but its going to be over 50k by the time I'm done.... Turbo R would be 60K+ all in I bet.

I was around 40 for my Turbo R 4 Ultimate OTD. I’ve got another 10+ in it- 5K in PCI comms, BD lighting, pumper, whips, etc, and 5k in tires and wheels for 2 sets of beadlocks for sand and desert. This (minus the aftermarket tires and wheels) is what I would consider to be a bare minimum build, as I haven’t done suspension (2-5k), Cage/seats/doors (there’s another 5-10), or added any power (figure another 3-5, up to as much as 10 if you’re talking full clutch and big turbo/ injectors on E). Figure 55-65 for a well-built car with all of this added if you’re doing the work yourself. Car to car, once built, there’s not much difference in price between Turbo R and Pro R.

My “budget” build at 45ish if you don’t include aftermarket tires/ wheels is a complete, well performing all-around car- minus the bling a lot of people incorporate into their builds. I chose the R platform because I did not feel that cage/ gussets/ arms/ radius rods were mandatory upgrades like they were on some other cars.

A 33” tire will strap nicely into the rear of the R, without a mount, leaving room for tools and other items below.

We can debate the Rs to the speed car all day- but they are all similarly priced at todays prices when equally equipped. All 3 are going to provide more capability than the average driver can use. Those who took the risk and ordered a speed car early on got an incredible bargain.

At current prices, overall cost of entry for a bang-for-the-buck build is going to go to a Turbo R sport, IMO. You could have a well built Sport 4 seater for 35-40k doing the work yourself- and even less for a 2 seater.

The issue I potentially see with the speed car is size. I have to strap the front of my R to fit it in my toyhauler. There is nothing I could do to fit a Speed car in my trailer- and I’d imagine a lot of people are in the same situation I am.

We are fortunate as consumers to have so many great choices- including the Mav, Talon, and KRX. You really can’t go wrong with any of them. These golf carts have come a long way in the last 15 years.

 

[prorider]

You could buy this and put a set seats in it and compete with a speed car all day long. All-terrain is a awesome dealer. No bullshit add ons at end.

 

[Cousineddy]

Anybody know how Speed did today at Rage? Saw a handful during qualifying yesterday (Max is fast!), saw one on a rope,saw one smoking pretty bad at the start, looked like a belt maybe? There was an insane number of sxs’s out there.

 

[River Dirt 2]

 

[rivermobster]

Lots of great info.

The Only thing no one has touched on (recently) is that some of these cars are rubber band cars, and some of them, are not.

To some it's a non issue. To some, it's everything.

All of these cars are leaps and bounds ahead what has been offered even just a few years ago.

It's definitely good to have choices.

 

[702sandman]

Anybody know how Speed did today at Rage? Saw a handful during qualifying yesterday (Max is fast!), saw one on a rope,saw one smoking pretty bad at the start, looked like a belt maybe? There was an insane number of sxs’s out there.

i passed 2 including Robbie in the first 3 miles, all broken and still sitting there on lap 2. Results will be posted up shortly. I think I finished 4th for the day in pro turbo

 

[Cousineddy]

i passed 2 including Robbie in the first 3 miles, all broken and still sitting there on lap 2. Results will be posted up shortly. I think I finished 4th for the day in pro turbo

Got it, that’s a great finish for you! I think we were dead last or close to it in our class, we had a pretty bad fuel issue from the start, but finished.i was hoping to see Speed put on a good show, or sure that happened.

 

[Albacore]

Five minutes of clips no editing . I don’t know who did what I can’t find any thing on the website for scoring.

 

[702sandman]

Five minutes of clips no editing . I don’t know who did what I can’t find any thing on the website for scoring.

Cool video I was the 5th car thru, the first 4 cars started a row in front of me.

 

[c_land]

i passed 2 including Robbie in the first 3 miles, all broken and still sitting there on lap 2. Results will be posted up shortly. I think I finished 4th for the day in pro turbo

Did the results get posted?

 

[Bpracing1127]

Did the results get posted?

Fish just posted on Instagram

Speed had another bad outing with 5 cars

3 dnf
2 only completing 3/4 laps before time limit

 

[rivermobster]

Sound on. Lol!

Fishgistics on Instagram

Rage at the river always brings the heat!!! @concrete_motorsports 📹 @kai_liente

www.instagram.com

 

[rivermobster]

i passed 2 including Robbie in the first 3 miles, all broken and still sitting there on lap 2. Results will be posted up shortly. I think I finished 4th for the day in pro turbo

Congratulations!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Fish just posted on Instagram

Speed had another bad outing with 5 cars

3 dnf
2 only completing 3/4 laps before time limit

In their defense, Speed only claimed the cars were "race ready" not "race finishy".

 

[702sandman]

Yesterdays results, I had a flat on lap 3 so that set me back 2-3 mins. I think sims won unlimited but doesn’t show that correctly.

 

[stonehenge]

I saw lots of speed presence, they had a giant rig at the riverside, and all kinds of branding at the race itself. I mean heck, doesn't rwg own this race organization and is one of the main sponsors of this particular event along side riverside casino. Those two entities put this event on.

Perhaps next race they will do better.

 

[Groper]

But they are competing on the dealer floor right now at coyne in El Centro.

As for the video posted the dude stuffed it into a witches eye so not surprised at all with the damage done. Nicely built named brand sand cars would’ve suffered the same fate.

You of all people are aware of all the issues with all the cars being sold now but easily turn a blind eye to all things speed and that’s great for you. But don’t expect everyone else to.

Again I’m a buyer in a few years and love watching all the speed developments real time. But I’m not looking with rose colored glasses.

Nope not going to happen, you don't have a clue of the difference between a BRAND NAME sand car and a SxS, name one?
I've owned 8-10+ Sandcars, Prerunners and Class 1 cars in 25+yrs
After owing a 2016 P.O.S.laris Turbo, and spending hours going through it, I sold it because I wouldn't put my family back in it.

 

[Fabhouse]

Nope not going to happen, you don't have a clue of the difference between a BRAND NAME sand car and a SxS, name one?
I've owned 8-10+ Sandcars, Prerunners and Class 1 cars in 25+yrs
After owing a 2016 P.O.S.laris Turbo, and spending hours going through it, I sold it because I wouldn't put my family back in it.

I agree, mostly. There are a number of sand/dual sport cars that are built to a high standard-there are many that lack a B pillar.
I understand the UTV influx and industry boom, they do it all, they do it cheaply and are very fast.
I have personally built 1 UTV for racing, a CamAm turbo something, likely a 2018-19. I don't care to remember. I was shocked by how poor the construction was. If I don't mention the poor cage/chassis geometry and lack of triangulation at all, the fact that the materials were subpar to something I would build a patio cover out of is all I needed to know.
Like you said, not something I want my family in.

The point of this thread is the Speed car though, and I changed my opinion based on that car. Dave wanted me to see one (to solve some issues, hopefully), and I was glad to because I wanted to see if it was the same as others, or better.
Its way better. Fucking with out a doubt better chassis. Better arms, mounts, hardware, everything. Almost overbuilt in some areas.
I see lots of potential here, and the base is solid. The race results currently suck-I've built lots of race cars and sometimes they suck before they are good. I have never built a brand and mass produced car. I'm pretty sure the same rules apply. I see a great platform with 3(?) months of actual customer use, that will continue to improve.
And a car I would put my family in.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Nope not going to happen, you don't have a clue of the difference between a BRAND NAME sand car and a SxS, name one?
I've owned 8-10+ Sandcars, Prerunners and Class 1 cars in 25+yrs
After owing a 2016 P.O.S.laris Turbo, and spending hours going through it, I sold it because I wouldn't put my family back in it.

I think I might. We’ve got a dejong (prerunner model with boxed arms on all four corners), sand cars, and a buckshot in our crew. I’ve seen some things. I wouldn’t ASSUME you know what I know or have seen.

 

[Bpracing1127]

so i heard from people at the race

Max broke an axle and 3 belts
Robby broke an axle and it put a hole in the trans (race over)

other 3 cars not sure what happened. but they all DNF

 

[Cousineddy]

What was the car Max was racing? Looked like it had a full carbon fiber body? None of the Speeds looked fast off the line, the can am that was lined up with them straight up walked away at the start.

 

[Bpracing1127]

What was the car Max was racing? Looked like it had a full carbon fiber body? None of the Speeds looked fast off the line, the can am that was lined up with them straight up walked away at the start.

it was the full hand built race bandit or el diablo, ( i cant tell the difference)

carbon body
e85 tune
hand built chassis
different cooling system and alot of other race parts

 

[Cousineddy]

Max’s car sure sounded/looked the business.

 

[rivrrts429]

i passed 2 including Robbie in the first 3 miles, all broken and still sitting there on lap 2. Results will be posted up shortly. I think I finished 4th for the day in pro turbo

Congrats on the 4th place finish! It’s not easy, or cheap, just finishing a race let alone have a top 5 finish. Nicely done bud.

 

[rivrrts429]

Max’s car sure sounded/looked the business.

Max wheels the hell out of that car. He has a ton of talent and is very humble and good to his fans. Bummer he couldn’t finish.

 

[stonehenge]

so i heard from people at the race

Max broke an axle and 3 belts
Robby broke an axle and it put a hole in the trans (race over)

other 3 cars not sure what happened. but they all DNF

I'm sure they will do better at the next race. A finish wouldn't hurt either. It was a cool race to watch, never knew so many bugs still race, that was f-n hilarious to see in person.

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[RiverDave]

Ask some people who have used the car in the desert for a bit about their belts. They literally were falling apart and failed.

Like most things in my life I always find out I did something wrong not the product.. if you are used to traditional belts where you have to muscle the shit out of them to make an adjustment you are gonna break it.. they work differently than other belts I have had and if you open the clevis with a lot of force you will sheer this little spring loaded pin..

The adjustments are so easy to make it took me a second to figure out how it works. I will say if you get a lot of dust on them the clips can get difficult to put into the coupler.. I expect some dry line will solve that.

 

[RiverDave]

I know everyone is always talking about podiums and racing etc.. I bought mine to go have fun in the desert..

If you have never done desert bash it is a blast.. albeit it can be daunting because the washboard and slower traffic and dust can be out of control sometimes..

Every year I have done it I always have my cars prepped (literally everything tightened), I don’t drive like an asshole although I do cruise a little faster than most.

I’ve done it in rhinos, teryx, my big ranger, my can am.. the course changes a little year to year but for the most part it’s still the same big loop.

With the exception of one year in my 2017 non turbo I have never done the whole run without moderately breaking something.. usually axles.

The washboard can be so brutal that I’ve actually sheered A pillars on my ranger.. snd came back in front wheel drive with both rears broken.. lol.

By the time we left we were the absolute last car, to the point they have removed all the course markers from the front of the course.. we did about 20-30 miles going out and seeing the trail was smooth and realizing we went the wrong way so going back.. rinse lather repeat. then even ended up running about 5 miles of the course backwards before trying yet again.

Finally I just said fuck it we will go for a long ride “that way” until we find somebody.. and we found a course marker that said 18 miles.. our friends were behind us a ways and our group got spread out.

We found two different rdp groups along the way including @Bpracing1127. I inspected his bumpers for nerf damage and didn’t find any.. lol


my biggest take away from the run with regarding the speed.. the cruising speed is much much faster than my old x3.. 10-20mph faster in most cases..

When we got back we weren’t worn out and beat up from the ride, and actually woulda ran it twice if anyone wanted to go..

My carnage of the day was I lost one roof bolt.. that’s not too bad for running 80+ miles Offroad in a supposedly unreliable car.

I gave about seven people rides throughout the weekend.. every single one of them came away and said “holy shit.. I didn’t know what to expect but it wasn’t that”. Also let a few people go and drive it for themselves.

@Bpracing1127 was supposed to come by and drive it but never did. Next time I suppose..