Speed UTV has some competition

[CLdrinker]

Kawasaki won’t be the fastest but they are known for his being well built and reliable.
These will be a hit with the trail riding people.

 

[Ziggy]

Another 4 seat option

 

[rivermobster]

How do you compete with something that doesn't exist??

I've been eyeballing the Honda...

No rubberband. Solid dealer Network. Factory turbo kit options.

When did anyone Ever go wrong buying a Honda??

 

[RiverDave]

How do you compete with something that doesn't exist??

I've been eyeballing the Honda...

No rubberband. Solid dealer Network. Factory turbo kit options.

When did anyone Ever go wrong buying a Honda??

I looked at the talons when they first came
Out.. I wish they woulda put their best foot forward with it.. they didn’t

 

[RiverDave]

Back when Honda

put t their best foot forward

 

[Ladsm]

I have been running my 900XP Rzr waiting for this to come out. I will have one in the garage by October when it cools down enough to use it.

 

[Bigbore500r]

My son is one the lead guys for the Honda Talon offroad race team. They just won the Baja500. He is convincing me to get a talon. They are built to be reliable.
View attachment 1123632

If Honda made the talon look like that off the showroom floor, people would buy them

 

[Bigbore500r]

How do you compete with something that doesn't exist??

I've been eyeballing the Honda...

No rubberband. Solid dealer Network. Factory turbo kit options.

When did anyone Ever go wrong buying a Honda??

If you are in the market for one, my buddy has an immaculate 2020 for sale with all the cool stuff done already. Babied, clean as new

 

[MK1MOD0]

Unfortunately the Baja race Talon has about zero in common with what they sell to the public. Too bad. Honda has been neutered for years. Sad because They are capable of some great engineering. They just have zero corporate balls for the off road world. So very very conservative.

 

[CLdrinker]

4 seat is over 2100# with the same underpowered motor as their 2 seater for $30,000?
The polaris pro xp turbo is 181 hp and less weight and less money

I have owned Teryx and RZR’s. Build quality seemed much better on the Teryx.

Teryx definitely is not for the I need to be fastest crowd. Or sand crowd. It will however do very well everywhere else.

 

[teded]

I’ve been towed by a Honda a couple of times, fuel pump problems on the Wildcat xx.
But no one wants to ride in a tow truck all day.

 

[Lavey5150]

Do take a look at the Talon, it's shaft driven (WINNING) and has a proven HONDA bloodline attached to it.Or, keep complaining about your
belt changes,and a plethora of other problems, and your SXS inability to do things you see on the interweb. You need 4 seats? Buy Two

<-----------2 wheels and stand-ups forever

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How do you compete with something that doesn't exist??

I've been eyeballing the Honda...

No rubberband. Solid dealer Network. Factory turbo kit options.

When did anyone Ever go wrong buying a Honda??

Exist This 4 seater was "supposed" to be out late last year.

The honda can blow up when turboed and the suspension sucks. The wide 2 seater Talon R is decent, but still way behind modern cars.

This Kawi is way better honestly. Of the NA cars, aside from being slow, the Kawi is the best of the rest.

The race Honda Talon isn't much of a Talon.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

4 seat is over 2100# with the same underpowered motor as their 2 seater for $30,000?
The polaris pro xp turbo is 181 hp and less weight and less money

Sadly.. this is spot on.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Honda developed the talon in 2014/2015/2016 but sat on it until 2019. When developed it was competitive, but by 2019 it wasn't even close to other stuff on the market. Wonderful powertrain that is unfortunately wrapped in a poorly designed chassis. Take talon powertrain and put it in KRX chassis and you have a hell of an NA package.

 

[rivermobster]

Exist This 4 seater was "supposed" to be out late last year.

The honda can blow up when turboed and the suspension sucks. The wide 2 seater Talon R is decent, but still way behind modern cars.

This Kawi is way better honestly. Of the NA cars, aside from being slow, the Kawi is the best of the rest.

The race Honda Talon isn't much of a Talon.

I have Zero interest in racing...

If I was to break down and buy one of these things, I'd want something as dependable as the day is long.

All the magazine articles I've read have had nothing but good to say about it.

I'd be more inclined to buy this than a rubber band powered toy.

Do we know anyone that has a Talon?

 

[rivermobster]

If you are in the market for one, my buddy has an immaculate 2020 for sale with all the cool stuff done already. Babied, clean as new

Gimma a call this evening. Thanks.

 

[Lavey5150]

Honda drivers don't go on boards, their shit runs, so they have nothing to complain about. Thank gawd all those SXS out there have the upgraded suspension for the grueling rides to Comp and Olds down the Highway carrying the tools,belts,white claws and fractured ego

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have Zero interest in racing...

If I was to break down and buy one of these things, I'd want something as dependable as the day is long.

All the magazine articles I've read have had nothing but good to say about it.

I'd be more inclined to buy this than a rubber band powered toy.

Do we know anyone that has a Talon?

That is my point. The racing one is good. The factory one is good for a 2016 car made in 2022. It is ill riding, and slow compared to anything new. But yea it is a Honda.

The 2 seat R is decent handling with work but still slow. I know people that have dumped another $20K into them and they are pretty good.

If you want something dependable as the day is long you aren't putting "dealer added turbo kits" on it. Those engines are known to pop a ring land with the turbo kit.

I'm not saying they are bad, but you can get something better for the money. There is a reason they don't sell very well.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I wouldn’t buy a Honda sxs. Complete junk.

The Kawi, hopefully the motor can stay together this time?

 

[RVR SWPR]

Speed Car so far not mentioned in this thread. Anything we should know?

 

[rivermobster]

That is my point. The racing one is good. The factory one is good for a 2016 car made in 2022. It is ill riding, and slow compared to anything new. But yea it is a Honda.

The 2 seat R is decent handling with work but still slow. I know people that have dumped another $20K into them and they are pretty good.

If you want something dependable as the day is long you aren't putting "dealer added turbo kits" on it. Those engines are known to pop a ring land with the turbo kit.

I'm not saying they are bad, but you can get something better for the money. There is a reason they don't sell very well.

So you didn't answer my question...

Do we know anyone that has one?

Edit: No need for a turbo. We have discussed this before.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So you didn't answer my question...

Do we know anyone that has one?

Edit: No need for a turbo. We have discussed this before.

I did answer your question I know a couple people that own them if you referenced the royal we.. then yes “we” know people. One is bad ass.. but it had $18-$20k spent on it.

If you can get one for cheap it will be fine to play with. The NA cars are fast enough for 95% of use, aside from duning. I wouldn’t waste your money buying a new one, and don’t expect the performance of a modern car.

Parts are harder to get, and no one ever has them in stock because they don’t sell that well.

 

[rivermobster]

Yes I know a couple people that own them. One is bad ass.. but it had $18-$20k spent on it.

If you can get one for cheap it will be fine to play with. The NA cars are fast enough for 95% of use, aside from duning. I wouldn’t waste your money buying a new one, and don’t expect the performance of a modern car.

Parts are harder to get, and no one ever has them in stock because they don’t sell that well.

I would Never take a SxS in the dunes, they are absolutely Worthless for that! Yet, lots of people do it. I don't get that.

I have NO expectations about performance.

My expectations are all dependability based. If I'm out exploring Death Valley, Joe's Valley or some other wide open desert/mountain area, I wanna get back to base camp no issues.

My bro in law probably has 100k in his canned ham. 20k? Sounds cheap!

 

[Badchoices03]

The Honda is so ugly though, I think that's what turns a lot of buyers off

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The Honda is so ugly though, I think that's what turns a lot of buyers off

The 4 seater looks like a 2012 RZR4 900... horrendous. The 2 seat R looks really good with an aftermarket cage.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I would Never take a SxS in the dunes, they are absolutely Worthless for that! Yet, lots of people do it. I don't get that.

I have NO expectations about performance.

My expectations are all dependability based. If I'm out exploring Death Valley, Joe's Valley or some other wide open desert/mountain area, I wanna get back to base camp no issues.

My bro in law probably has 100k in his canned ham. 20k? Sounds cheap!

As dumb as this sounds, then buy a used RZR XP1000 or better yet XPTurbo. Yes they have problems. They are all documented at this point, and 99% of them are preventable for a few dollars if you "know before you go" and maintain the machine.

If performance is not your concern and you aren't going to dune the thing, you will go 1000s of miles on a belt.

RZR parts are everywhere. If you bought a Honda I'd only by the 2 seater R version.

 

[rivermobster]

As dumb as this sounds, then buy a used RZR. Yes they have problems. They are all documented at this point, and 99% of them are preventable for a few dollars if you "know before you go" and maintain the machine.

If performance is not your concern and you aren't going to dune the thing, you will go 1000s of miles on a belt.

RZR parts are everywhere. If you bought a Honda I'd only by the 2 seater R version.

Makes sense.

Some of my desert crew have Years on their belts. I still don't like em though.

Just my preference.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Makes sense.

Some of my desert crew have Years on their belts. I still don't like em though.

Just my preference.

The belt sounds dumb until you drive with it. In the Honda you'd have it in "auto" shifting mode 95% of the time.

This is coming from someone that daily drives a 6 speed manual car.. 95% of the time I'm off road, I would not want to be shifting. either I'm trying to cruise, or I'm trying to hustle the car through a trail. It is fun when you are on it, but you can't really just run these things around in 3rd gear, you are constantly shifting... it is a 1L motor in a 1800 lb car.

If and when the belt breaks you pop on a new one in 5 mins.

 

[EPL]

Speed Car so far not mentioned in this thread. Anything we should know?

Because all the SXS's mentioned will be used up before the Speed car ever comes out if it does !!

 

[CLdrinker]

I just want to say this.

I had a shit load of fun in my stock 08 teryx. To Say these new NA aren’t fast enough is just plain silly. They are plenty fast.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Speed Car so far not mentioned in this thread. Anything we should know?

The Speed team has been in Asia for 3 weeks visiting suppliers. I think they are finishing that tour by visiting Australian suppliers and then suppliers in the US. Assembly line has been going with the first batch of factory assembled cars to iron out the assembly process. The short wheelbase 72" preproduction car is out as well.

It sounds like all the accessories are done. The black and gold car has every accessory they make on it and is touring dealers.

 

[pixrthis]

My son is one the lead guys for the Honda Talon offroad race team. They just won the Baja500. He is convincing me to get a talon. They are built to be reliable.
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We like ours

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I just want to say this.

I had a shit load of fun in my stock 08 teryx. To Say these new NA aren’t fast enough is just plain silly. They are plenty fast.

A Magic with a 496HO that did 60 also used to be acceptable here. It is acceptable no longer. You now need a $250K 900 HP pontoon to go 61.

You used to be able to tow your jet ski with a Fox Body Mustang... now you need an F450.

 

[pixrthis]

I have Zero interest in racing...

If I was to break down and buy one of these things, I'd want something as dependable as the day is long.

All the magazine articles I've read have had nothing but good to say about it.

I'd be more inclined to buy this than a rubber band powered toy.

Do we know anyone that has a Talon?

I do and it’s been great, it needs money spent on shocks but so do my dirt bikes so I don’t care.

 

[Badchoices03]

I just want to say this.

I had a shit load of fun in my stock 08 teryx. To Say these new NA aren’t fast enough is just plain silly. They are plenty fast.

Come on man, this is RDP, get out of here with your poorness....LOL....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I do and it’s been great, it needs money spent on shocks but so do my dirt bikes so I don’t care.

Good looking machine!

 

[pixrthis]

I would Never take a SxS in the dunes, they are absolutely Worthless for that! Yet, lots of people do it. I don't get that.

I have NO expectations about performance.

My expectations are all dependability based. If I'm out exploring Death Valley, Joe's Valley or some other wide open desert/mountain area, I wanna get back to base camp no issues.

My bro in law probably has 100k in his canned ham. 20k? Sounds cheap!

We spoke with a rental shop in Utah that sells their RZR’s at 10,000 miles and their Hondas are still strong at 14,000 so no plans on selling. 11 of their RZR’s were crated up and heading to South America.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We spoke with a rental shop in Utah that sells their RZR’s at 10,000 miles and their Hondas are still strong at 14,000 so no plans on selling. 11 of their RZR’s were crated up and heading to South America.

This I believe completely.

 

[702sandman]

I still think a bone stock turbo s is the best overall and most reliable RZR to date. But I’m a little biased lol

 

[rivermobster]

The belt sounds dumb until you drive with it. In the Honda you'd have it in "auto" shifting mode 95% of the time.

This is coming from someone that daily drives a 6 speed manual car.. 95% of the time I'm off road, I would not want to be shifting. either I'm trying to cruise, or I'm trying to hustle the car through a trail. It is fun when you are on it, but you can't really just run these things around in 3rd gear, you are constantly shifting... it is a 1L motor in a 1800 lb car.

If and when the belt breaks you pop on a new one in 5 mins.

I've sat shotgun in just about every car out there, except a Talon!

And 5 min? Wacha been smoking Willis???

It take 30 min just to unwrap every single piece of shredded belt from the pulleys!

And then let's not forget getting all your gear off, getting your tools out, removing the covers, and the doing all that in reverse??

Oh and hope it doesn't break in some fucked up location, because of course, Murphy's law designates that it will!

So much fun when everything you touch is trying to cook the skin from your fingers.

What a waste of time when you're out trying to have fun.

Fuck that belt shit. No thank you.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I still think a bone stock turbo s is the best overall and most reliable RZR to date. But I’m a little biased lol

A RZR, yes you are probably right. But Polaris reliability is a low bar .

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I've sat shotgun in just about every car out there, except a Talon!

And 5 min? Wacha been smoking Willis???

It take 30 min just to unwrap every single piece of shredded belt from the pulleys!

And then let's not forget getting all your gear off, getting your tools out, removing the covers, and the doing all that in reverse??

Oh and hope it doesn't break in some fucked up location, because of course, Murphy's law designates that it will!

So much fun when everything you touch is trying to cook the skin from your fingers.

What a waste of time when you're out trying to have fun.

Fuck that belt shit. No thank you.

I can have my belt changed before other people in the group can get out of their cars and open a beer. It takes 2 tools to do the whole job.

Gloves aren’t even needed when you use the correct belt and don’t have to mess with the clutches.

If you are picking shit out of the clutches you are using the wrong brand belt. Even in those cases I can remove the clutch, clean it out and be back on the trail in 20 mins.

You have plenty of warning when they are going, they rarely just randomly break unless you just wounded them.

Like we stated.. a Talon is a great machine for 2016. Any car made in the last couple years will have more features and be better overall.

 

[Bigbore500r]

I've sat shotgun in just about every car out there, except a Talon!

And 5 min? Wacha been smoking Willis???

It take 30 min just to unwrap every single piece of shredded belt from the pulleys!

And then let's not forget getting all your gear off, getting your tools out, removing the covers, and the doing all that in reverse??

Oh and hope it doesn't break in some fucked up location, because of course, Murphy's law designates that it will!

So much fun when everything you touch is trying to cook the skin from your fingers.

What a waste of time when you're out trying to have fun.

Fuck that belt shit. No thank you.

Just open that 7.3's tailgate and roll a 660 Rhino in there already.........
King of 2002!

 

[rivermobster]

Just open that 7.3's tailgate and roll a 660 Rhino in there already.........
King of 2002!

Word!!!

 

[riverroyal]

If it was me buying id hold out for speed utv.

 

[rivermobster]

If it was me buying id hold out for speed utv.

Paging @JB in so cal

 

[rivermobster]

I can have my belt changed before other people in the group can get out of their cars and open a beer. It takes 2 tools to do the whole job.

Gloves aren’t even needed when you use the correct belt and don’t have to mess with the clutches.

If you are picking shit out of the clutches you are using the wrong brand belt. Even in those cases I can remove the clutch, clean it out and be back on the trail in 20 mins.

You have plenty of warning when they are going, they rarely just randomly break unless you just wounded them.

Like we stated.. a Talon is a great machine for 2016. Any car made in the last couple years will have more features and be better overall.

Excellent. Sounds like you have Lots of experience changing belts. Practice makes perfect!

 

[JB in so cal]

Paging @JB in so cal

low hanging fruit

 

[schweeng]

Dave... you forgot this gem