Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[Laguna]

And according to you no one else cares about the gen pop messing around with their new toy before they do. “Everyone should be fine with it”

Well I have only been building cars for SEMA the last 30 years I actually know customers that pay for it. Every car at SEMA or any show like it pay so yes I know more then you. I understand you think you know more then all but your just wring. And unable to admit when you are.

 

[DLC]

I thought they already had 100 cars already completed. How did those get complete if they can't ship engine parts into the country. Something doesn't smell right.

You can ship anything into China or Mexico even illegal aliens....

 

[DLC]

Well I have only been building cars for SEMA the last 30 years I actually know customers that pay for it. Every car at SEMA or any show like it pay so yes I know more then you. I understand you think you know more then all but your just wring. And unable to admit when you are.

Ok, so how long does it take to get a Certificate of Compliance from EPA?

asking for a friend….

RG wants to sell cars! To get some cash in da bank account….

 

[hman442]

Smuggled the engine parts inside big bricks of cocaine

 

[Laguna]

Ok, so how long does it take to get a Certificate of Compliance from EPA?

asking for a friend….

RG wants to sell cars! To get some cash in da bank account….

Getting things through CARB are not easy for sure but why it wasn't handled long ago is the question. I haven't noticed have all the delays been about changing the motor? Because if not the could have had that done long ago. Manufacturers don't wait until car is complete to get CARB figured out.

 

[RiverDave]

Getting things through CARB are not easy for sure but why it wasn't handled long ago is the question. I haven't noticed have all the delays been about changing the motor? Because if not the could have had that done long ago. Manufacturers don't wait until car is complete to get CARB figured out.

It probably was handled a long time ago, and is in the final Stages.. we all know how fast the wheels Of government turn.

 

[DLC]

EPA is Way Different Than CARB

EPA is the nation
CARB is Komifornia

SEMA SHOW is usually in Nevada…. Vegas baby!

 

[grumpy88]

Getting things through CARB are not easy for sure but why it wasn't handled long ago is the question. I haven't noticed have all the delays been about changing the motor? Because if not the could have had that done long ago. Manufacturers don't wait until car is complete to get CARB figured out.

I asked that many pages ago . What is the point of pre production cars if not to also get full govt approval ? He does not need the money so I do not believe the few bucks in pre order money is his goal just that he is not exactly a great front man for this endeavor.

 

[RiverDave]

I stopped at coyne today in el centro. Asked sales guy when the speed car will be there, reply... 'no idea, you probably know as much as we do'
He didnt ask if i wanted to get on a list, call or purchase.
My read on this was even the dealers are confused.

It doesnt take 135 ft to jump a shark

You guys are unbelievable.. no matter what happens it’s obviously already jumped the shark.. it’s outdated before ya get it.. your never gonna get it..

How the hell do you guys go through life like this? The sky is blue and the sun is shining.. everything’s gonna be alright.

 

[Laguna]

I asked that many pages ago . What is the point of pre production cars if not to also get full govt approval ? He does not need the money so I do not believe the few bucks in pre order money is his goal just that he is not exactly a great front man for this endeavor.

I agree I believe they have every intention of building cars. But if you can't see how poorly this has been handled not sure what to tell you.

 

[DLC]

You guys are unbelievable.. no matter what happens it’s obviously already jumped the shark.. it’s outdated before ya get it.. your never gonna get it..

How the hell do you guys go through life like this? The sky is blue and the sun is shining.. everything’s gonna be alright.

mountains are BLUE !

 

[Laguna]

EPA is Way Different Than CARB

EPA is the nation
CARB is Komifornia

SEMA SHOW is usually in Nevada…. Vegas baby!

Yes I get the difference but this should have been handled a long time ago.

 

[DLC]

I agree I believe they have every intention of building cars. But if you can't see how poorly this has been handled not sure what to tell you.

The past 2 years the country has been ran into the ground due to Covid and administration change, gas had almost tripled in some states ….

Things took an Extra year to get to where they are now.

i am absolutely positive that any off-road, boat, rv industry would of LOVED to be in business 100 % during the free money stay at home years….

 

[riverroyal]

Lol. Im not mad.
Just saying i went to the biggest dealer (from what LOF said, i think) and they did NOTHING to discuss the product.

As far as a EPA or carb delay shit, yes they should have started this process a long long time ago
Is the production line still going or did it slow or stop?

Last, how in the F can there be so many questions about a company that is partially crowd funded?

Todd posts his blue car on instagram right? Why the fock would you do that when 'investment deposit holders' have no clear answers on....well a lot.

Its been years, i dont think jump the shark is the wrong term. You are going to get it. Ive never once said it wasnt happening. But its not that special anymore.
Just another utv

 

[DLC]

Yes I get the difference but this should have been handled a long time ago.

Like when
2020
or
2021

how do you know it wasn’t

according to some people we still have a pandemic and kids are still wearing masks in school

we are discussing GOVERNMENT after all…

 

[Singleton]

Yes I get the difference but this should have been handled a long time ago.

Average time to get EPA certs once tests have passed is 90 days.

 

[RiverDave]

I agree I believe they have every intention of building cars. But if you can't see how poorly this has been handled not sure what to tell you.

I am actually impressed he was able to bring a car to a finished (well Finished) product as fast as he did!

There’s a lot that goes into building a product line.. a whole lot more than Just building a race car or a couple of them. A project of this size is incredible.

 

[Laguna]

When a manufacturer announces a new ca

Like when
2020
or
2021

how do you know it wasn’t

according to some people we still have a pandemic and kids are still wearing masks in school

we are discussing GOVERNMENT after all…

Hison has been involved from get go according to what I have read. They have been bringing cars here for how long? Yet this wasn't handled.

 

[Laguna]

I am actually impressed he was able to bring a car to a finished (well Finished) product as fast as he did!

There’s a lot that goes into building a product line.. a whole lot more than Just building a race car or a couple of them. A project of this size is incredible.

I agree 100% but I don't think he has hired the right people to take it where it should have been by now or where it ultimately could go.

 

[DLC]

Lol. Im not mad.
Just saying i went to the biggest dealer (from what LOF said, i think) and they did NOTHING to discuss the product.

As far as a EPA or carb delay shit, yes they should have started this process a long long time ago
Is the production line still going or did it slow or stop?

Last, how in the F can there be so many questions about a company that is partially crowd funded?

Todd posts his blue car on instagram right? Why the fock would you do that when 'investment deposit holders' have no clear answers on....well a lot.

Its been years, i dont think jump the shark is the wrong term.

It’s been 3 years since they announced the car …

kids are still wearing masks in some schools, after 2 years of a world wide pandemic, government doesn’t move that fast!
im sure RG would love to have cars out and being sold and collecting all his millions…

what exactly are your expectations for a car you don’t have a deposit on

asking for LOF…

 

[Laguna]

Average time to get EPA certs once tests have passed is 90 days.

Exactly

The past 2 years the country has been ran into the ground due to Covid and administration change, gas had almost tripled in some states ….

Things took an Extra year to get to where they are now.

i am absolutely positive that any off-road, boat, rv industry would of LOVED to be in business 100 % during the free money stay at home years….

My shop was next door to Temecula Motorsports until a year ago they rented 12k feet of floor space to prep and store there incoming vehicles. I know the owner and they were never busier then during pandemic.

 

[DLC]

When a manufacturer announces a new ca

Hison has been involved from get go according to what I have read. They have been bringing cars here for how long? Yet this wasn't handled.

Hison just announced a completed brand new factory in Mexico that takes time to build….

speculation here
but maybe it was better for RG to delay so things could be built at the new factory and avoid shipping from China…

we don’t know exactly what has taken place….

with world wide supply chain issues it’s probably been that he waited for the factory to be built

glass is half full

and I have a Can Am!

 

[JayBreww]

Ok, so how long does it take to get a Certificate of Compliance from EPA?

asking for a friend….

RG wants to sell cars! To get some cash in da bank account….

Here’s a list from EPA of all terrain vehicles.
Wonder what model name Hisun has these under. Updated in May.

https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-02/off-road-mc-atv-utv-recveh-2006-present.xlsx

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well I have only been building cars for SEMA the last 30 years I actually know customers that pay for it. Every car at SEMA or any show like it pay so yes I know more then you. I understand you think you know more then all but your just wring. And unable to admit when you are.

What does a SEMA build have to do with a production UTV waiting for CARB and EPA approval again??

I understand you think you know what you are talking about, but clearly your ego wont let you let this go, but you are just wrong.

It was said why there won’t be customer cars at the show over a month before the show. Because they can’t deliver them there. It’s time to let it go.

 

[DLC]

Exactly

My shop was next door to Temecula Motorsports until a year ago they rented 12k feet of floor space to prep and store there incoming vehicles. I know the owner and they were never busier then during pandemic.

funny my High School buddy was GM at a dealership and they couldn’t get cars, allocation was cut way way back and every car they got sold out ! They sold at no discounts / bargains bikes, jet skis, sxs & street bikes

i Have buddy that is a So cal factory can am rep their units were cut way back during Covid years due to supply chain issues.

model year changes were simplified (not changed ) due to Covid and the cost to make changes ( kick the can down the road )

 

[Raffit78]

A while back, they were working on a front window as accessory addition and I believe they were having heating issues, was there any update on that if they found a solution?

 

[DLC]

Exactly

My shop was next door to Temecula Motorsports until a year ago they rented 12k feet of floor space to prep and store there incoming vehicles. I know the owner and they were never busier then during pandemic.

Everything sold during the free money - Covid years and sold for TOP dollar

althought once sold it wasn’t resupplied ZERO inventory! They made a ton of money on the units they got allocated, but the allocation was limited…

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Here’s a list from EPA of all terrain vehicles.
Wonder what model name Hisun has these under. Updated in May.

https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-02/off-road-mc-atv-utv-recveh-2006-present.xlsx

Here’s a list from EPA of all terrain vehicles.
Wonder what model name Hisun has these under. Updated in May.

https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2022-02/off-road-mc-atv-utv-recveh-2006-present.xlsx

Might not even be on there since it was updated in May. The CARB site has the same issue.. incomplete data.

 

[Laguna]

What does a SEMA build have to do with a production UTV waiting for CARB and EPA approval again??

I understand you think you know what you are talking about, but clearly your ego wont let you let this go, but you are just wrong.

It was said why there won’t be customer cars at the show over a month before the show. Because they can’t deliver them there. It’s time to let it go.

My God man my point was you said no customer wanted there car at sand show or it would get scratched. You can spin thst all you want you are wrong.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Average time to get EPA certs once tests have passed is 90 days.

Averages went out the window post Covid. That and they likey only recently tested the final configuration for certification.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My God man my point was you said no customer wanted there car at sand show or it would get scratched. You can spin thst all you want you are wrong.

I never said none, I said few would. People here were complaining the cars at the show were scratched from transport .

Customer cars were never going to be there in the first place, so what is your point? That people’s cars are at SEMA?

We all knew that. Thanks for the update

 

[Singleton]

Averages went out the window post Covid.

That was the posted ETA in April 2022. It is all public domain and available.
What is not posted is average time it takes for tests to be completed once a request to test is submitted.
Only a few know when Speed submitted the testing package.

 

[Laguna]

Everything sold during the free money - Covid years and sold for TOP dollar

althought once sold it wasn’t resupplied ZERO inventory! They made a ton of money on the units they got allocated, but the allocation was limited…

Well I can tell you they never ran out of cars I rented them space they had cars piled up in my yard. To my point good management foresaw what was going on they bought everything and prepared for it. This Speed car with the right management would not be this far behind. At some point you can't blame others just yourself.

 

[Laguna]

I never said none, I said few would. People here were complaining the cars at the show were scratched from transport .

Customer cars were never going to be there in the first place, so what is your point? That people’s cars are at SEMA?

We all knew that. Thanks for the update

So bet you name one customer besides yourself that wouldn't want there car at show $1000. Since Iknow you like to bet.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Like when
2020
or
2021

how do you know it wasn’t

according to some people we still have a pandemic and kids are still wearing masks in school

we are discussing GOVERNMENT after all…

FWIW much of it was handled a long time ago. The fuel tank was tested and passed like 18 months ago.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So bet you name one customer besides yourself that wouldn't want there car at show $1000. Since Iknow you like to bet.

@DLC wouldn’t. A few already said they wouldn’t several pages back.

I take PayPal, Venmo, check or cash.

 

[Laguna]

I never said none, I said few would. People here were complaining the cars at the show were scratched from transport .

Customer cars were never going to be there in the first place, so what is your point? That people’s cars are at SEMA?

We all knew that. Thanks for the update

And for record you said

@DLC wouldn’t. A few already said they wouldn’t several pages back.

I take PayPal, Venmo, check or cash.

Get them to post right now

 

[Laguna]

If there car was there they would be enjoying it no one other then you would think differently

 

[Singleton]

FWIW much of it was handled a long time ago. The fuel tank was tested and passed like 18 months ago.

That is only 1 test. EPA has 5 different test cycles, each with multiple tests.
EPA tests cars before, during, and after production to make sure that vehicles not only meet emission standards. This is not something that does not takes weeks, this is months of testing,

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well I can tell you they never ran out of cars I rented them space they had cars piled up in my yard. To my point good management foresaw what was going on they bought everything and prepared for it. This Speed car with the right management would not be this far behind. At some point you can't blame others just yourself.

If it comes out before the end of the year, that’s 3 years. That is about 6 months longer than it took Textron to develop the WildcatXX it took Polaris longer than 2 years to do the new Pro R and Turbo R.

Both of those companies weren’t starting a new brand from scratch, nor were they building the cars 100% new from the ground up on their own.

3 years from concept to full company debuting an functional product is still damn fast.

 

[Laguna]

If it comes out before the end of the year, that’s 3 years. That is about 6 months longer than it took Textron to develop the WildcatXX it took Polaris longer than 2 years to do the new Pro R and Turbo R.

Both of those companies weren’t starting a new brand from scratch, nor were they building the cars 100% new from the ground up on their own.

3 years from concept to full company debuting an functional product is still damn fast.

Listen I understand that my point to this is better management would have been more out front. I am not arguing that he won't or doesn't have good intentions. Nor do I think you do but at some point you have to call a spade a spade.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That is only 1 test. EPA has 5 different test cycles, each with multiple tests.
EPA tests cars before, during, and after production to make sure that vehicles not only meet emission standards. This is not something that does not takes weeks, this is months of testing,

And like I said it stands to reason that the final production cars were only recently ready, as in within the last 5 months since the beginning of this thread.

One of the cars from SSSS last year went directly to the EPA testing back then.

It’s not like Speed did nothing for 3 years. If there are no early production cars to test.. you can’t get a cert.

 

[Laguna]

And he isn't out on his own he got into bed with Hison not sure at this point that was right decsion.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Listen I understand that my point to this is better management would have been more out front. I am not arguing that he won't or doesn't have good intentions. Nor do I think you do but at some point you have to call a spade a spade.

No one ever claimed Speed is running like a well oiled machine or didn’t make any mistakes. As long as they can fail fast and correct any mistakes correctly and quickly, that is what counts.

 

[JayBreww]

So bet you name one customer besides yourself that wouldn't want there car at show $1000. Since Iknow you like to bet.

If I were a customer, I would want my car there. RG would make it right if something happened and I would finally have my car…. But, I’m not a buyer this go around. Maybe Gen 2. Although I thought I heard these cars are called gen 5 somehow.

 

[Boozer]

If it comes out before the end of the year, that’s 3 years. That is about 6 months longer than it took Textron to develop the WildcatXX it took Polaris longer than 2 years to do the new Pro R and Turbo R.

Both of those companies weren’t starting a new brand from scratch, nor were they building the cars 100% new from the ground up on their own.

3 years from concept to full company debuting an functional product is still damn fast.

How much money have you given RG at this point?

Aside from some emails and a few well timed marketing campaigns, what’s RG done for any of us? People are still giving deposits. RG is getting richer, when will people demand their delivery?

I’m tired of holding this bag. I want a car!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And he isn't out on his own he got into bed with Hison not sure at this point that was right decsion.

Why? None of us have any idea what that relationship is, or how it works to even assume one way or the other.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How much money have you given RG at this point?

Aside from some emails and a few well timed marketing campaigns, what’s RG done for any of us? People are still giving deposits. RG is getting richer, when will people demand their delivery?

I’m tired of holding this bag. I want a car!

I’ll buy your car for cost then if you want out. PM me the details if you are serious.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If I were a customer, I would want my car there. RG would make it right if something happened and I would finally have my car…. But, I’m not a buyer this go around. Maybe Gen 2. Although I thought I heard these cars are called gen 5 somehow.

You wouldn’t have it, you could not have taken delivery at the show, even if your car was there.

Yes the latest cars are Gen 5 and incorporate all design revisions since the beginning.

 

[Laguna]

No one ever claimed Speed is running like a well oiled machine or didn’t make any mistakes. As long as they can fail fast and correct any mistakes correctly and quickly, that is what counts.

Don't disagree but there are people

Why? None of us have any idea what that relationship is, or how it works to even assume one way or the other.

Let's see they still have no car out. I would say that's a great reason to think that.