Skoo me on 22ft-ers with twin outboards.

[floatn turd]

So, I'm starting to look into a 22ft DCB, Eliminator,Talon, Liberator, ETC with twin outboards.

Most I have seen on market right now are in the early 2000s with 2.5s @ about $35 to $45k

• What do I want to ask?
• What equipment does it "have to have"?
• Any motor or year of motor I want?
• Or want to avoid?

Any info would be more that I currently have.

Thank you.
FT

 

[Outdrive1]

They are a handful. The balance isn’t great, super fun when there’s good water, they accelerate like crazy and sound gnarly with 2.5’s. In bad water they tend to fly ass down, which throws the bow down and scoops water over the deck. I’ve owned a lot of boats, and that’s the only boat my wife ever said never to ask her to get in it again and to respect her wishes and sell it.

They are balanced a lot better with a single and work better.

 

[sintax]

They are a handful. The balance isn’t great, super fun when there’s good water, they accelerate like crazy and sound gnarly with 2.5’s. In bad water they tend to fly ass down, which throws the bow down and scoops water over the deck. I’ve owned a lot of boats, and that’s the only boat my wife ever said never to ask her to get in it again and to respect her wishes and sell it.

They are balanced a lot better with a single and work better.

22’ with a single 300x/xs a better option? (All around)

 

[JJ McClure]

@ChrisV to the white courtesy phone

 

[Outdrive1]

2.5’s don’t idle worth a shit either. They stall randomly when shifting, when one motor stalls on these little boats while you’re docking or trailering, the boat turns sideways. Then you’re scrambling to get restarted. It’s seriously a pain in the ass.

Not trying to scare you off, just want you to know these can be a 9 out of 10 skill level to drive safely and dock and trailer.

 

[floatn turd]

I ain't opposed to a single.
If they are better, I can go that route.

 

[Outdrive1]

One last thing, at speed the steering wheel doesn’t do a whole lot, you’ll have to learn to drive with a split foot throttle and lean your foot to the outside so that the inside motor decreases rpm to make it turn. It’s a learning curve for sure.

 

[Buddy]

This is my absolute favorite

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[Todd Mohr]

Nothing better than 2 2.5’s screaming at 7000 rpm’s. They are a handful for sure

 

[JJ McClure]

Where’s chrisv ?

 

[floatn turd]

All good info.

Thank you

 

[SJP]

They are awesome - but this better be a hobby boat not primary, secondary or even tertiary on the lineup. My wife never even sat in my 21 2X 2.5 boat.

 

[Bajastu]

The sound of a boat with twin 2.5’s is so cool. But with the performance and weight reduction of a single, I’d go that route. A 400R or 450R just makes things easy. Rigging, speed, fuel consumption, maintenance, and ease or getting in and out of a single equipped boat just makes sense. I remember when I repowered and rigged my Hallett 19SS with a new Evinrude 200HP all that it took to hook it up was two hydro lines, fuel line, and two NEMA 2000 cables. Talk about simplicity and reliability.

 

[toto]

They are a handful. The balance isn’t great, super fun when there’s good water, they accelerate like crazy and sound gnarly with 2.5’s. In bad water they tend to fly ass down, which throws the bow down and scoops water over the deck. I’ve owned a lot of boats, and that’s the only boat my wife ever said never to ask her to get in it again and to respect her wishes and sell it.

They are balanced a lot better with a single and work better.

Love My 22 - Not the fastest but stout and a fun toy for sure

 

[blue wonder]

I absolutely love mine, I’ve owned 2 of them, one with 260’s and the current one with 280’s, I boat down in Yuma so for down here it’s a great boat, I wouldn’t have one for Parker or Havasu though, no way!!!…they do take some skill to drive but honestly there not near as hard to drive as everyone makes them out to be IMO…to answer your actual questions though, if you have a choice get one with 280’s, there’s nothing wrong with the 260’s at all but the 280’s are just a better motor period, they come factory with alternators which is a huge plus to have consistent voltage for these 2 strokes, low voltage will kill them, literally!!!…second do a leak down on the motors before you buy it, don’t take the guys word for it and compression doesn’t really mean shit, leak down will tell you what you really need to know, when they start to get around 10% there do for a freshen up, rule of thumb is about 200hrs and they’ll be due for an overhaul which isn’t cheap and then there’s the fact you have to do 2 of them, also I would highly recommend having the external ram steering on the side of the engines, the rams mounted on the front of the motors are sloppy and dangerous IMO

 

[MARCYTECH]

I’ve got a 21vector with twin 150s not a tunnel but a twin boat none the less.

One of the biggest complaints I had was the engine trim speed. I Spent many hours and dollars making sure both engines trimmed at the same speed- it’s REALLY annoying when one trims faster than the other.

My good friend has a 22daytona with twins on it. We broke a tie bar on the Daytona at about 50mph once. That was about as terrifying as you can imagine so I’d make sure whatever you’re looking at has a more than adequate steering set up for the job. I would make the side ram steering a minimum requirement

We still haven’t been able to solve its porpoising issue it has.

 

[RiverDave]

I’ve got a 21vector with twin 150s not a tunnel but a twin boat none the less.

One of the biggest complaints I had was the engine trim speed. I Spent many hours and dollars making sure both engines trimmed at the same speed- it’s REALLY annoying when one trims faster than the other.

My good friend has a 22daytona with twins on it. We broke a tie bar on the Daytona at about 50mph once. That was about as terrifying as you can imagine so I’d make sure whatever you’re looking at has a more than adequate steering set up for the job. I would make the side ram steering a minimum requirement

We still haven’t been able to solve its porpoising issue it has.

Wouldn’t mind seeing a pic of a twin rig vector.. ex ski race boat or something?

 

[MARCYTECH]

Wouldn’t mind seeing a pic of a twin rig vector.. ex ski race boat or something?

Not sure. Multiple sources said this was the only one that left hallett originally set up for twin OBs. It’s got a 3.5” thick transom and the biggest knee braces I’ve ever seen.
It runs damn good and loves busy water.
It’s also for sale

 

[Outdrive1]

Wouldn’t mind seeing a pic of a twin rig vector.. ex ski race boat or something?

There is a 21rc, but it was rough last time I saw it.

 

[MARCYTECH]

There is a 21rc, but it was rough last time I saw it.

got pics of that one?

 

[Bobby_329]

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I absolutely love mine, I’ve owned 2 of them, one with 260’s and the current one with 280’s, I boat down in Yuma so for down here it’s a great boat, I wouldn’t have one for Parker or Havasu though, no way!!!…they do take some skill to drive but honestly there not near as hard to drive as everyone makes them out to be IMO…to answer your actual questions though, if you have a choice get one with 280’s, there’s nothing wrong with the 260’s at all but the 280’s are just a better motor period, they come factory with alternators which is a huge plus to have consistent voltage for these 2 strokes, low voltage will kill them, literally!!!…second do a leak down on the motors before you buy it, don’t take the guys word for it and compression doesn’t really mean shit, leak down will tell you what you really need to know, when they start to get around 10% there do for a freshen up, rule of thumb is about 200hrs and they’ll be due for an overhaul which isn’t cheap and then there’s the fact you have to do 2 of them, also I would highly recommend having the external ram steering on the side of the engines, the rams mounted on the front of the motors are sloppy and dangerous IMO

Did this used to be named 2nasty? I’ve ridden In it or one that looks just like it and it definitely rips.

 

[Outdrive1]

Did this used to be named 2nasty? I’ve ridden In it or one that looks just like it and it definitely rips.

Dennis owns that and it’s in Havasu. H2OSKi2Slow

 

[ChrisV]

@ChrisV to the white courtesy phone

Thanks for the tag.

I've taken this boat out three times. First two was at a local lake and the recent one at Parker. All those times the water was super flat. Not sure how it would be in Havasu but my last boat is a small 20' vee bottom outboard. I boated mainly in Havasu with it. So I figured the DCB would be better.

Hows the boat?

It's fucking fast no doubt. Definitely met my expectations on scaring the fuck out of me. Which makes me love it. But that comes with a price. Dual motors means double the anxiety. I have the 280s so it stalls here and there. With the 2.5 you have to turn off the engines to shift gears. Sometimes the engine won't turn back on cause its flooded. So you would have to crank the engine with the fuel pumps off. This will be a big problem at a busy dock or ramp. Just gotta plan accordingly I guess. Idles sucks in these engines. I'm kinda use to that because my car got big injectors and does the same thing. I also drive my race car daily sometimes so I'm use to the hot mess.

If you blow an 280 you either need the block welded or get a new block. Lets just say you can't weld it. Thats 10-15k for an longblock if you can find it. So I highly recommend doing a leak down and compression check before buying the boat.

Once you figure out the quick start you'll be good imo.

This is me cranking it for 30mins the first time I took it out. Wife was laughing.

 

[Todd Mohr]

Chris, have you had your injectors serviced? I send mine out every year.

 

[ChrisV]

Chris, have you had your injectors serviced? I send mine out every year.

Yes. It’s a service I offer at my work.

 

[Todd Mohr]

You the man, what's your price to do a set?

 

[TCHB]

They are awesome - but this better be a hobby boat not primary, secondary or even tertiary on the lineup. My wife never even sat in my 21 2X 2.5 boat.

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This little rocket is fast and scary at the same time. Sam had a big smile the whole time.

 

[D19]

Did this used to be named 2nasty? I’ve ridden In it or one that looks just like it and it definitely rips.

That one is not 2nasty. Dennis' looks a little different, no checkers, same colors though. I rode in it a couple times. It accelerates great! Very fun nimble boat. Joker let me take his single for a spin a few summers back. They are very fun in both configurations.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

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[sintax]

This is what you want.

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still 150 lbs more than a 300xs though, thats the part that gets me.

that looks like a pretty light purpose built hull, really curious how it runs with 660lbs hanging that far off of the back. I imagine that hull was designed to hang a 280/300drag off of the back

 

[gqchris]

Damn it all this 2 Stroke talk makes me miss my 300 Drag!

 

[hallett21]

Drove a DCB 22 with twin 200 Optimaxs. So much fun. Not sure why everyone is saying they’re hard to drive? Other than steering with the throttles it’s a solid platform. Over 100 mph im sure is a wild ride lol.

I think the record is in the high 130s or even 140s.

 

[ChrisV]

Drove a DCB 22 with twin 200 Optimaxs. So much fun. Not sure why everyone is saying they’re hard to drive? Other than steering with the throttles it’s a solid platform. Over 100 mph im sure is a wild ride lol.

I think the record is in the high 130s or even 140s.

Optimax is a lot smoother than 280s I believe.

 

[ChrisV]

Reguardless to the OP. Just find one and get it. Bitch is fun!

 

[hallett21]

Optimax is a lot smoother than 280s I believe.

But then it’s only an issue at idle/no wake speed. Once you’re up and rolling nothing changes between 200/260/280/300Drag other than top speed

 

[sintax]

Optimax is a lot smoother than 280s I believe.

Totally. Optimax is a fishing boat motor compared to a 280

 

[Wonsley66]

Totally. Optimax is a fishing boat motor compared to a 280

 

[DrunkenSailor]

still 150 lbs more than a 300xs though, thats the part that gets me.

that looks like a pretty light purpose built hull, really curious how it runs with 660lbs hanging that far off of the back. I imagine that hull was designed to hang a 280/300drag off of the back

Actually most were built with twin 280s.

 

[toto]

Here is a 22 KMG listed for sale

east SD county boats - by owner - craigslist

east SD county boats - by owner - craigslist

sandiego.craigslist.org

 

[MK1MOD0]

Here is a 22 KMG listed for sale

east SD county boats - by owner - craigslist

east SD county boats - by owner - craigslist

sandiego.craigslist.org

Absolutely beautiful boat!!!

 

[RogerThat99]

Did this used to be named 2nasty? I’ve ridden In it or one that looks just like it and it definitely rips.

Bobby, I was wondering if this was Bob Sherman's old 22. I don't remember it having a name on it. As was mentioned aboce, Dennis owns 2Nasty now.

 

[ChrisV]

But then it’s only an issue at idle/no wake speed. Once you’re up and rolling nothing changes between 200/260/280/300Drag other than top speed

Yup so no channel for me. With two engines at idle in gear it moves so quick. For sure ill get yelled at.

 

[sintax]

Yup so no channel for me. With two engines at idle in gear it moves so quick. For sure ill get yelled at.

Thats ok, i'd rather watch you full bore, air'd out going around the sand bar heading up river anyways.

Dont feel bad, I get all the dirty looks trying to keep my boat at a reasonable speed through the channel

 

[ChrisV]

Thats ok, i'd rather watch you full bore, air'd out going around the sand bar heading up river anyways.

Dont feel bad, I get all the dirty looks trying to keep my boat at a reasonable speed through the channel

What boat do you have? post pics!

 

[sintax]

What boat do you have? post pics!

I'll shoot you a message w/ some links, dont want a pollute this thread w/ v-drive pics. It'll just get the bench racers all fired up.

 

[Outdrive1]

Drove a DCB 22 with twin 200 Optimaxs. So much fun. Not sure why everyone is saying they’re hard to drive? Other than steering with the throttles it’s a solid platform. Over 100 mph im sure is a wild ride lol.

I think the record is in the high 130s or even 140s.

Kyle’s boat is a 90mph boat with 200xs’s. Not even close to the same animals as 260/280 boat. That boat actually idles, and doesn’t stall when you lift going over a wake. Plus you aren’t breaking 100 in it.

 

[HST4ME]

Yup so no channel for me. With two engines at idle in gear it moves so quick. For sure ill get yelled at.

That's a badge of honor.

 

[RiverDave]

Yup so no channel for me. With two engines at idle in gear it moves so quick. For sure ill get yelled at.

A lot of people leave one in neutral

 

[tunnel vision]

Had a DCB 22 with twin drags, still my favorite boat I ever owned!

 

[hallett21]

Kyle’s boat is a 90mph boat with 200xs’s. Not even close to the same animals as 260/280 boat. That boat actually idles, and doesn’t stall when you lift going over a wake. Plus you aren’t breaking 100 in it.

Agreed the 260/280s are a pain in the ass at idle. But Kyle’s boat at 90 or a 280 boat at 90 are the same thing. 100+ in 21-22ft of anything is hauling ass.