RDP towing police please provide your input

[MountainDonkey]

Disclaimer photo was stolen from facebook.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Ive seen that guys truck at the springs. I have some pics of it as I was pretty impressed. I didn’t see the 5w or the trailer as they were probably in spaces in the RV park.

Pretty cool setup. Just don’t enter CA with that.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Photos from the Springs.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Photos from the Springs.

Looks like he upgraded trucks....

As long as he is under length (he's not) and not over weight in any category (likely is over payload capacity), then he's good. If he has a Class A with doubles endorsement.

 

[ltbaney1]

i want to see a video of him loading that boat. thats a pretty impressive set up hes got going.

 

[retaocleg]

yowza.......not me

 

[BIGRED9158]

I wanna see him go through Palm Springs when the wind is ripping by the windmills

 

[C-Ya]

If there are off-road toys and a car in the cargo trailer……. Then he truly has everything he needs.

 

[angiebaby]

@Sportin' Wood Problem solved.

 

[Englewood]

Wife said "It's me or the toys!"

 

[Desert Whaler]

Proportionately with my truck & budget , My rig would be as follows . . .
Truck
8 foot inflatable boat in the bed.
A 10 foot Uhaul trailer with a cot for sleeping.
. . . and a wheel barrow behind that.

 

[rivermobster]

If there are off-road toys and a car in the cargo trailer……. Then he truly has everything he needs.

Except a brain...

I wanna see that exact set up, 30 seconds After he has to slam on the brakes, cause some douche in a Mini Cooper decided to cut the guy off!

 

[FlyByWire]

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Except a brain...

I wanna see that exact set up, 30 seconds After he has to slam on the brakes, cause some douche in a Mini Cooper decided to cut the guy off!

5 axles at least of brakes, likely at least 6. How much more do you need?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Neighbor has the same hitch setup out here on his F750. His runs an f550 steer axle. Pretty trick, it locks the tie rod until you put on the turn signals, no tire scrub. Axle weight he may be legit, but Cali cops would light him up for length. Guy's probably a snowbird that has hauled 40ft silage doubles since he was 12

 

[RogerThat99]

Looks like he upgraded trucks....

As long as he is under length (he's not) and not over weight in any category (likely is over payload capacity), then he's good. If he has a Class A with doubles endorsement.

Hmmm. Length is one thing, but in CA, the first connection has to be a 5th wheel. I don't think that 5th wheel dolly, connected to the trailer hitch, counts.

My guess is he is over length also. My buddy used to tow doubles with a 26' 5er and a 22' boat, and I believe he was very close to the max length.

 

[D19]

Surprised he went with the F450. The F150 would have been plenty sufficient.

 

[hallett21]

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Do you just drive by him and close your eyes? Lol

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Hmmm. Length is one thing, but in CA, the first connection has to be a 5th wheel. I don't think that 5th wheel dolly, connected to the trailer hitch, counts.

My guess is he is over length also. My buddy used to tow doubles with a 26' 5er and a 22' boat, and I believe he was very close to the max length.

It does not actually. I've read the code regarding it and that is a common misconception. I do believe it says both trailers need brakes though.

 

[wet hull]

Has anyone on here actually towed a 5th wheel with a trailer behind? Im curious how hard it actually is? We have a 5th wheel travel trailer but also want a sxs for the desert. I absolutely do not want a toy hauler 5th wheel. I can imagine a worst case scenario of having to reverse but guess you avoid that at all costs.

 

[Dog]

Has anyone on here actually towed a 5th wheel with a trailer behind? Im curious how hard it actually is? We have a 5th wheel travel trailer but also want a sxs for the desert. I absolutely do not want a toy hauler 5th wheel. I can imagine a worst case scenario of having to reverse but guess you avoid that at all costs.

It wouldn't be hard towing. Lots of practice to back up. Avoid at all cost.

 

[yard dog]

I guarantee you that set up is over the Gross Combined Weight Rating for that pick up .

 

[2Driver]

Snowbird coming and going. I’d be willing to bet Idaho tags

LOL just looked closer Oregon… same thing.

 

[SJP]

It looks like a lot of work to go boating.

 

[rivermobster]

5 axles at least of brakes, likely at least 6. How much more do you need?

I suppose it depends on what altitude you want the boat to end up in orbit at?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Has anyone on here actually towed a 5th wheel with a trailer behind? Im curious how hard it actually is? We have a 5th wheel travel trailer but also want a sxs for the desert. I absolutely do not want a toy hauler 5th wheel. I can imagine a worst case scenario of having to reverse but guess you avoid that at all costs.

I have. Done a fifth wheel travel and a 14ft tag, and done a gooseneck stock trailer and a 2 horse bumper pull. Both were not mine, but was paid in pizza junk food to help a friend move his grandfather's stuff.

The response of the tag trailer behind the travel trailer was spooky. The overhang past the axles leverages the trailer being towed. Not like a motorhome, way different. Backing up was slow, but not too hard. U-turns are not an option on most streets.

The stock trailer towing the 2 horse, went down the highway beautifully. Stock trailers have the axles way back, like a boat. Backing it up straight was no problem either. Backing to a turn though, well that didn't go well. The lack of overhang made it to where you needed so much room to move the front over, just to move the tail a little.

 

[NicPaus]

I guarantee you that set up is over the Gross Combined Weight Rating for that pick up .

Not if it's a new F450. That boat 3500 lbs, fifth wheel 14K, trailer 10k or less. Truck 8k.

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

Bet will the frame break in half?

 

[welldigger00]

Just because you can, don’t mean you should. I was under the impression that the first trailer had to be a fifth wheel. Then a dolly, or tag. This setup has the dolly on a pintle, or standard ball. I could be wrong, and I usually am. Just ask my wife. Speaking of balls, this dude has those…

 

[yard dog]

So you are saying that the truck only weights 8000 , with all their gear , the rack to hold the boat , full

of fuel and the passengers? Same with the boat fuel, gear inside the boat . How the the little converter gear for the fifth wheel ? The fifth trailer weighs more than 14000 with all items food , clothing and any supplies . Last pull trailer I will go with 10,000 on that weight . I still say it’s over GCRW .

 

[was thatguy]

Hmmm. Length is one thing, but in CA, the first connection has to be a 5th wheel. I don't think that 5th wheel dolly, connected to the trailer hitch, counts.

My guess is he is over length also. My buddy used to tow doubles with a 26' 5er and a 22' boat, and I believe he was very close to the max length.

Yep.
Pretty sure that dolly counts as #2 in most states? Which would mean he has 3 in tow.
Not sure though?

 

[RandyH]

Thats the kind of set up I pass on the highway at Full throttle, breaking all speed laws at the time.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Hmmm. Length is one thing, but in CA, the first connection has to be a 5th wheel. I don't think that 5th wheel dolly, connected to the trailer hitch, counts.

My guess is he is over length also. My buddy used to tow doubles with a 26' 5er and a 22' boat, and I believe he was very close to the max length.

The fifth wheel “dolly” is rigid, mounted to the frame, so technically it’s part of the towing vehicle.

Lengthwise it’s legal in a lot of states but probably not California looks about 76’ long to me, maybe 80’.

 

[was thatguy]

The fifth wheel “dolly” is rigid, mounted to the frame, so technically it’s part of the towing vehicle.

Lengthwise it’s legal in a lot of states but probably not California looks about 76’ long to me, maybe 80’.

Ah..got it.

 

[RogerThat99]

The fifth wheel “dolly” is rigid, mounted to the frame, so technically it’s part of the towing vehicle.

Lengthwise it’s legal in a lot of states but probably not California looks about 76’ long to me, maybe 80’.

Thanks, i see that now (zoomed in and looked closer). I "ASS"umed it was attached by a ball or pintle.

Now I am wondering if a pintle hitch would be a legal connections of someone using the dolly for a 5th wheel (not towing doubles)? For example if you want haul other stuff in the bed of the truck, or had a large 5er and still wanted to take a fishing boat that would put you over length if towing doubles.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Thanks, i see that now (zoomed in and looked closer). I "ASS"umed it was attached by a ball or pintle.

Now I am wondering if a pintle hitch would be a legal connections of someone using the dolly for a 5th wheel (not towing doubles)? For example if you want haul other stuff in the bed of the truck, or had a large 5er and still wanted to take a fishing boat that would put you over length if towing doubles.

Don’t know the legalities, but a pintle hitch would not have the weight transferring abilities as the rigid mount, think of it like a weight distributing hitch.

 

[brgrcru]

That’s a lot of work And headaches
I’m tired just looking at that masterpiece
No thanks ,
My time on earth is slowly diminishing.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Title this photo.....

1) "When the wife gets the house"
2)

 

[monkeyswrench]

Thanks, i see that now (zoomed in and looked closer). I "ASS"umed it was attached by a ball or pintle.

Now I am wondering if a pintle hitch would be a legal connections of someone using the dolly for a 5th wheel (not towing doubles)? For example if you want haul other stuff in the bed of the truck, or had a large 5er and still wanted to take a fishing boat that would put you over length if towing doubles.

If you run a pintle, like a con-gear for a semi, you'd have to have a doubles endorsement. Backing up is be all kinds of fun too. I moved an empty 40ft flat deck for a neighbor a few years ago. Pintle from Dodge to con-gear...major circus music day. The con-gear turns faster than a jetski trailer, and that is your pivot on the trailer.

The type of setup above, acts like a drop axle on dump truck. It carries weight, but is more like a bumper extension, staying in line and following the vehicle's track. They even make them with a winch on board. You can leave it hitched to the trailer, then use the winch to pull it to the truck. I want to say the hitch was kind of like a 3-point on a tractor?

 

[NicPaus]

I would say truck with load is at 14k. That leaves 31k pounds. So 21k for dolly and 5th wheel. And 10k for enclosed. Under 45K GCWR.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not if it's a new F450. That boat 3500 lbs, fifth wheel 14K, trailer 10k or less. Truck 8k. View attachment 1188286

SAE standardized tow ratings are not to be believed here.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Here’s more info on the fifth wheel dolly.

Automated Safety Hitch System Review

This Automated Safety Hitch System is grossly ignored, overlooked and misunderstood. Learn about it here.

fifthwheelst.com

 

[DRYHEAT]

Just because you can, don’t mean you should.

I just find that statement, hilarious considering you’re talking to a bunch of people they routinely put ridiculous amounts of power into their boats.

 

[NicPaus]

SAE standardized tow ratings are not to be believed here.

Lol. Before we had local weight police. I used to tow my dump trailer to the max. The scissor hoist is rated at 18k and I would try and see how much it would handle. Hauling 20k with my old 1989 Chevy Dually. It did have every upgrade Edelbrock made.

My old F450 was a turd but it handled the same 20k load easily. I even had a 16' dump then that would weigh 24K with dirt.

 

[River Runnin]

I've known him for years! He's one hell of a fabricator and millwright! there be a lot more to this set-up than meets the eye!

 

[brgrcru]

hopefully he has back up cameras.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I've known him for years! He's one hell of a fabricator and millwright! there be a lot to this set-up than meets the eye1

Nope.. the towing police have reached their verdict from their couch, and the penalty is death.

 

[Badchoices03]

 

[monkeyswrench]

Neighbor shop says come over, got a job for you. Speak of the Devil, here's the other neighbor's dolly thingamabob.

Front box holds winch and tools, rear holds battery and electric master cylinder.

Magnet energize wire runs a lead to this thing, then up to a 7-pin by the hitch.

The outer are like this black clasp thing, the center is a spring loaded roller, that fits an inverse wedge (<). I think it keeps wheels on plane with tow rig, but allows it to articulate up and down for elevation change.

Rear of tow rig.

Spindle assembly.

Here's the latching mechanism for the tie rod.

The reason it's on the rack. Can't hear the brakes from the cab, and the poor thing hadn't been lubed in a long while. I sent the parts to get matched up. Tomorrow I'll update with what calipers and rotors it uses.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Don’t forget to point out that the fact that at low speeds the axle can steer but then locks in place at higher speeds.

It’s a pretty interesting piece of towing tech.