Pavers

[badluck]

I’m looking at installing or getting pavers installed. Whom here does or has done them? What’s the best way? Concrete perimeter? Metal or similar border? All concrete with pavers on top? Any tips or tricks?
Thanks in advance

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Concrete perimeter seems to be the norm, concrete with pavers on top would be paying for two patios, they are laid on a bed of fine sand and then they fill the cracks with a sand / grout type of product that firms up over time. We have a shit ton of then, poo and the driveway, they get hot, I checked the other day and the surface was 167 degrees.

 

[NicPaus]

On big projects where they can't have mud or dirt while the build goes on before the pavers get installed we will slurry coat the driveway with concrete. Then put down the sand and set pavers. Otherwise compacted road base is what is used as its cheaper.

 

[Rvrluvr]

All the paver companies I deliver to use class 2 base, set pavers, lockin with washed concrete sand. Im sure there is a lot more to it but those are the materials commonly used

 

[Hypnautic]

No concrete coping but concrete edge to lock in pavers is what we did.
Guy also used a sand that has a “glue” mixture in it. Only used on the edges and where I am building a fireplace and grill. Notice the white residue in the pic.

Finished

Missing bricks is where the a cement base was used to lock in the pavers

My install guy worked at the stone yard. Did it as a side job. Don’t remember exact cost but labor was around 2-2500 I think

 

[NicPaus]

Remember when it comes to Pavers " Compaction is Key" ! I use to do a lot of pavers years ago. Still have all my equipment but sold the dump truck.

 

[RandyH]

If you use any Salt or Ice Melt or Calcium Chloride, I would go with a wet cast paver product vs dry cast type. They last a lot longer if not forever.

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[badluck]

How do the perimeter pavers attach to the concrete? Mortar? If so how thick is the mortar?

 

[Hypnautic]

How do the perimeter pavers attach to the concrete? Mortar? If so how thick is the mortar?

On mine-I saw him scrape out the base material and set concrete in its place. So it’s only 2-3” at most. Have not had anything move in the 6 years since.

From my office window

 

[RCDave]

I was really set on pavera. But really started to notice in my neighboorhood, weeds tend to grew in the joints. Im leaning toward colored and stamped concrete instead

 

[Firemanjoe]

I just did my front porch at 150sqft. It was a ton of work as i did I by myself. It’s true what they say, it’s all in the prep work! A flat compacted surface will make the paver portion much easier. I used the paver edgine that’s held in place by 10in galvanized stakes. Since I did a patio and not I driveway, I elected to use the paver pads in lieu of a 5in road base. Overall I’m very happy with how they turned out, but it was a lot of work!

 

[badluck]

On mine-I saw him scrape out the base material and set concrete in its place. So it’s only 2-3” at most. Have not had anything move in the 6 years since.
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From my office window

The pavers on the edge are just sitting on the concrete or are the my glued down?

 

[JLG614]

Our company does concrete. Stamped, color, wash finish, anything you want. we do pavers too just not as much. I did them at my house with a concrete border around the edges. I'll post a picture of it. Honestly wish i would have just done all concrete because pavers are alot more upkeep. Where are they being installed? is there good access and will it have weight on it? to do it right it should have between 2-4" of base beneath and then a layer of sand then the pavers. if its a driveway its alot more. when i did mine i dug down 8" for base because i drive my motorhome over them. I redid my backyard after and went with a more rustic look. check out the picture. Plank style stamped concrete with stain and wet look sealer. I honestly dislike my pavers so much i may pull them out and just do a stamped concrete in the middle sections. Let me know if you have any other questions, pavers definitely have to be done a certain way

 

[badluck]

It’s going on top of rock. We just trenched 60’ for drainage. All done with a breaker.

 

[Hypnautic]

The pavers on the edge are just sitting on the concrete or are the my glued down?

Pavers were placed into concrete. No glue. If one ever came off you could glue it down. The sand that gets compacted on the finished pavers contained a “glue”. It was only used on the edges, where fireplace and BBQ are built and high traffic areas.
See how the outside edge of brick were removed. The base material was removed and replaced with concrete. So the entire perimeter of brick is set into concrete and locks everything in.

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[badluck]

I’m making 4’ walkways around the house and sides to dead end the lawn

 

[C-2]

I'm not a contractor, but I learned a lot after seeing a recent case where a retired engineer schooled an "expert" in paver installation. The engineer got his info from https://www.icpi.org/resource-library .

I learned the "interlocking" does not come from the bricks. Rather, it comes from the joint sand and its ability to stay intact if installed properly. If too much water ponds, then it breaks down the joint sand, which loosens, and then one brick moves, which further erodes the joint sand and then it's all down hill from there.

I also learned your soil type and its ability to drain or absorb water is important too, along with the proper type of joint sand, and proper type of aggregate/base sand and depths for the intended use of the pavers.

Pavers looks great, I love em', good luck!

 

[JLG614]

Our company does concrete. Stamped, color, wash finish, anything you want. we do pavers too just not as much. I did them at my house with a concrete border around the edges. I'll post a picture of it. Honestly wish i would have just done all concrete because pavers are alot more upkeep. Where are they being installed? is there good access and will it have weight on it? to do it right it should have between 2-4" of base beneath and then a layer of sand then the pavers. if its a driveway its alot more. when i did mine i dug down 8" for base because i drive my motorhome over them. I redid my backyard after and went with a more rustic look. check out the picture. Plank style stamped concrete with stain and wet look sealer. I honestly dislike my pavers so much i may pull them out and just do a stamped concrete in the middle sections. Let me know if you have any other questions, pavers definitely have to be done a certain way View attachment 888468

Here’s a pic of our driveway. There’s tons of different ways to design it

 

[JLG614]

I’m making 4’ walkways around the house and sides to dead end the lawn

As long as you have access to get equipment in there it’s not bad at all. It’s when you have to start digging everything by hand that it gets to be a pain in the ass

 

[NicPaus]

I was really set on pavera. But really started to notice in my neighboorhood, weeds tend to grew in the joints. Im leaning toward colored and stamped concrete instead

Just as much maintenance. With the low voc CA sealers plan on resealiing them every year or so. None of my customers ever want to pay for reseal. Few years and it fades and looks like shit. I will take pics of one of my jobs tomorrow. Few thousand feet that need resealed just like the fake rock around pool. Had Melloyellows rock guy come out to bid re color and seal of the fake rock.

 

[RCDave]

Just as much maintenance. With the low voc CA sealers plan on resealiing them every year or so. None of my customers ever want to pay for reseal. Few years and it fades and looks like shit. I will take pics of one of my jobs tomorrow. Few thousand feet that need resealed just like the fake rock around pool. Had Melloyellows rock guy come out to bid re color and seal of the fake rock.

Thanks for the info!!!! Sounds like a pain. Maybe just stamped concrete then?

 

[badluck]

We have stamped 2 color colored concrete and yes plan on resealing it every year or so. It’s a huge Pía. It does look good when freshly sealed.

 

[YeahYeah01]

Here’s a pic of our driveway. There’s tons of different ways to design it

That is bad ass.

 

[JLG614]

That is bad ass.

Thank You