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Pretty great!
Can somebody help me understand why we needed to pay for this?
UD
Out of all the crap that the government spend money on i don't mind it going to nasa. The human race stagnates when it sits still too long.
They need to work on spending the money they get better - why did a private company kick their ass in the re-use department? WTF?!??!?
They fill every reasonable opening, and its considered a prestigious place to work - so there is no need for PR.
This is pride instilling no doubt - and a perfect example of government mis spending.
UD
Pretty great!
Can somebody help me understand why we needed to pay for this?
UD
Govt saleries and pensions !I don't mind Nasa as much as many of the other government expenditures. Science and converting theory to reality is expensive. Nasa's annual budget makes up only about 0.5% of the federal governments annual budget. Nasa is actually one of best ran government funded agencies we have spending wise.
To put this in perspective a little more than 15% of our GDP is military and defense spending and the big cookie which is medicare, medicade, social security, welfare, etc. Makes up almost an even 50% of the annual budget.
Where do y'all really think the fat needs to be trimmed?
They need to work on spending the money they get better - why did a private company kick their ass in the re-use department? WTF?!??!?
Govt saleries and pensions !
Pretty great!
Can somebody help me understand why we needed to pay for this?
UD
Because they made a decision years ago to issue contracts for space vehicles instead of building them.
Space X chose to build reusable rockets on their own. ULA and Orbital Sciences use conventional rockets. They believe the reusable rockets will be like the space shuttle. Yeah, you can fly them again, but the cost doesn't justify it.
Your statement:
They need to work on spending the money they get better - why did a private company kick their ass in the re-use department? WTF?
Your post indicated that NASA had somehow lost a competition. That's not accurate. There is no "re-use department", and there never was a specific mandate or RFQ for a reusable low earth orbit vehicle. Space X submitted a bid to build and operate ISS resupply vehicles, just like ULA and Orbital Sciences did.
Space X made the decision to build a reusable vehicle. It had nothing to do with NASA and how they spend their budget. Everything in both of my posts is accurate.
In terms of cost per launch, Spacex is now cheaper than even an RD-180 based lifter. They can beat anyone's price - and make money doing it.
This should have been NASA's market - not some start ups.
Make more sense?
UD
I think the simple answer is, it's for the betterment and advancement of human evolution, not to mention NASA research and development has assisted in and developed some of the worlds most amazing inventions and technology.
Now, just like EVERY other area of the federal budget, it needs better oversight. But that's a blanket term.
And yea, I agree, ads like this are because of the negative opinion of NASA and their budget. And like others stated, I'd be quicker to whack other portions of the fed budget before NASA all day long!!
But I get where you're coming from, seems NASA has been missing the target for a long time now. I'd like to see them get back on target of say the 60's era of kickin' ass.
If they're cheaper, NASA should benefit because of the bidding process. However, just like Elon Musk's other big venture, Space X isn't making money.
Wall all Street Journal spills the beans on SpaceX
In a detailed, multi-page expose, the Journal revealed last month that it has come into possession of a treasure trove of internal financial documents from SpaceX. Combined with interviews of ex-SpaceX staff, the Journal was able to put together a pretty good picture of SpaceX's finances.
It isn't a pretty picture. Here's what we know.
SpaceX likes to portray itself as a growing rival to space incumbents such as Boeing and Lockheed, Airbus and Orbital ATK. But in fact, SpaceX's revenue growth halted -- temporarily, we hope -- in 2014. Two failed space launches in the past two years curtailed launch activity at the space start-up, with the result that revenue actually peaked in 2014, at roughly $1 billion.
SpaceX's sales then declined to just $945 million in 2015, when the company conducted only six launches. (Revenue may have grown again in 2016, or it may not have. The documents the Journal obtained apparently didn't extend into 2016.)
What the documents do show, though -- and show quite clearly -- is that no matter how much revenue SpaceX records, it's not earning much profit from that revenue.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/05/how-profitable-is-spacex-really.aspx
Love Nasa and the money was the source of much of what we have today - especially in my industry.
Doenst make sense to me for them to be making commercials with Hollywood voice-over talent.
UD
Have you seen Mike Rowe’s lectures? The guy is about as far from a “dipshit” as you’ll ever get. Ever think he was simply doing a job?I had a lot more respect for Mike Rowe when he was doing “Dirty Jobs” and narrating for Discovery...he never looked too sharp, but he’d get dirty...which was was all he’s really good for, because he seems to suck at hard word work and he acted like he wasn’t sharp enough to understand relatively simple jobs without lots of help.
As a TV commercial figure, he’s proved that he’s a money chasing dipshit like the rest of ‘em.
All he has to do is throw down the occasional “working class jobs are good” rhetoric and the masses love him.
I doubt he’s put in a hard day’s work for more than a 30 minute period of time in his life...
You are hilarious. You bitch and moan about NASA spending a few thousand tax payer dollars on advertisement, but you are more than excited that the government is spending millions upon millions of dollars to help fund your precious Elon’s Tesla and other hybrid technology. What a joke.Pretty great!
Can somebody help me understand why we needed to pay for this?
UD
Have you seen Mike Rowe’s lectures? The guy is about as far from a “dipshit” as you’ll ever get. Ever think he was simply doing a job?
America dominated the world when we emphasized Science and Technology. It is time we do that again. The world is on the cusp of so many break throughs, I would like America to be apart of it.
You are hilarious. You bitch and moan about NASA spending a few thousand tax payer dollars on advertisement, but you are more than excited that the government is spending millions upon millions of dollars to help fund your precious Elon’s Tesla and other hybrid technology. What a joke.
These tax dollars just bought ANOTHER round of Russian made RD 180's for yesterdays NASA launch - how American.
UD
Yup, he’s a spokesman...that’s it. He’ll do whatever he gets paid to do. Morals seem to take a back seat.
Yea, I was a little loss at the hatred for Rowe. Seems decent enough to me.You seem to have a real hard on for Mr. Rowe, care to share any examples?
These tax dollars just bought ANOTHER round of Russian made RD 180's for yesterdays NASA launch - how American.
Elon doesn't have any gov loans and only gets "government" money from being an employer - like any other employer.
The other place the gets it is external investors.
Wait just one second here. You mean to tell me Tesla (and the other qualifying manufacturers/vehicles) sells a car for 100 large and the gov pays for $7500 worth of tax credits to the consumer? But Tesla never borrowed a dime from the government, so that makes it all ok. This in no way, shape, or form was a benefit to Tesla. Again, what a joke.Regarding Tesla and government money, all I have to say is YGBSM. Taxpayers have shelled out $7,500 federal tax credits and $1,500 California tax credits for every Tesla sold. Those credits effectively reduced the price of a Model S or X by 10%, and have cost taxpayers almost $2,000,000,000. In case you had trouble with the zeros, that's two billion dollars.
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We just need some more smart Germans to be forced to come up with all the science and tech and then steal it from them to pave the next phase like we did the first! LOL
kidding, kidding
Kinda
Elon can shoot up a rocket and recover the boosters...Cool.
Call me when he lands on the moon...
On the moon?Per a lot of conspiracy professors landing on the moon was fake news lol
By the way, when Ofuckface cut the shuttle program, where do you think a lot of those NASA employees ended up?
Per a lot of conspiracy professors landing on the moon was fake news lol
By the way, when Ofuckface cut the shuttle program, where do you think a lot of those NASA employees ended up?
Wait just one second here. You mean to tell me Tesla (and the other qualifying manufacturers/vehicles) sells a car for 100 large and the gov pays for $7500 worth of tax credits to the consumer? But Tesla never borrowed a dime from the government, so that makes it all ok. This in no way, shape, or form was a benefit to Tesla. Again, what a joke.
We wouldn't be using RD-180s if NASA and Congress wouldn't have abandoned pretty much all other activities except the space shuttle for forty years. The shuttle was a chimera*. It sucked up every dollar that was appropriated for decades, and then one day it was kicked aside because it became clear it was a dead end.
Tens of billions spent, fourteen lives lost, and now they are museum displays. It can be argued the shuttle was worthwhile because it provided a means to build the ISS, but then I have to ask what benefits and knowledge the ISS is producing for the money it cost.
Regarding Tesla and government money, all I have to say is YGBSM. Taxpayers have shelled out $7,500 federal tax credits and $1,500 California tax credits for every Tesla sold. Those credits effectively reduced the price of a Model S or X by 10%, and have cost taxpayers almost $2,000,000,000. In case you had trouble with the zeros, that's two billion dollars.
*Chimera definition: "a thing that is hoped or wished for but in fact is illusory or impossible to achieve."
why did a private company kick their ass in the re-use department? WTF?!??!?
UD
Thats pretty funny!
UD
Wait just one second here. You mean to tell me Tesla (and the other qualifying manufacturers/vehicles) sells a car for 100 large and the gov pays for $7500 worth of tax credits to the consumer? But Tesla never borrowed a dime from the government, so that makes it all ok. This in no way, shape, or form was a benefit to Tesla. Again, what a joke.
Um, I specifically stated “and other qualifying manufacturers/vehicles as well” in another post. But, you may have skipped that part. I mentioned Tesla by name to get your attention because I know you like to fly that flag, but yes, all manufacturers are getting that credit on eligible vehicles. Is that what makes it ok for you? Again, those billions are ok to help with EVs but a few thousands on advertising by NASA is an issue? Lighten up.Seem like selective whining about Tesla for the EV credit that everyone else gets as well (even foreign car companies) , while simultaneously getting amnesia over the numbers racked up by the big 3 bail out.
A joke indeed.
Since you brought up Gov subsidies see if you can get our money back a little quicker from Ford - they actually formally owe us - not Tesla.
UD