MAUI and the Fires

[rmarion]

Chile says Hi

 

[rmarion]

also..

make sure you paint your home and vehicles BLUE

Structure and Forest fires don't burn this color...


lets see a spin on this.....LOL

 

[spectra3279]

When northern California burned, was there this kind of blockades or were the people let back in. I do think Denmark is getting a rotten smell. But don't know why

 

[HNL2LHC]

Who are they, what are they doing exactly, and why ??

Unless you personally have experienced a loss of this type and magnitude, then you are clueless of how complex the recovery process is.
The diverseness and magnitude of this particular almost unimaginable tragedy only serve to hinder the already extremely complex recovery.

This dumb bitch is ranting overgeneralizations completely oblivious to the myriad of complex realities involved.

This isn't ONE case, it's thousands of individual cases, each facing their own specific hurdles and resolution, in addition to all sharing common issues such as zoning, a new master plan being re-created and building codes reviewed, updated and amended with regards to new fire codes.
The creation of these codes and building requirements also adds to the delays in settling insurance claims as the amounts of various riders are affected by these code changes.
It's no secret that the local government of Maui is struggling under the weight of the magnitude of this event and it's unreasonable too expect otherwise.

Individually, you've got some who inherited homes from ancestors, some not insured, some who never having reviewed their policies are woefully underinsured, and others frustrated and chopping at the bit because of other delays as the "Hawaii Time" clock creeps slowly around it's dial as opposing sides state their cases for the new master plan that's holding up the commercial sector.

The poor will suffer, the wealthy will recover and many of the wealthy will prosper at the ill fortune of others. That's not a conspiracy, it's real life and tragic events of this magnitude amplify that X 1,0000.

When our neighborhood burned to the ground in '07, one of the most frustrating aspects was in the aftermath, listening to all the self-proclaimed experts on TV ranting away, completely clueless as to the realities of the backstage truth.
I was honestly impressed by the ability of San Diego County to step up provide amazing assistance in walking us through the permit process and waving all fees.

It was also maddening to hear a neighbor on camera for the 5PM news bad mouthing their insurance company, blaming them for being underinsured when a few months prior they were bragging how much they were saving by reducing their replacement cost estimate.

I warn you, spend adequate time reviewing your homeowners policy, I reviewed ours recently as I do now every year and that process even involved a phone conversation with my builder.
You might just discover you are woefully underinsured and it's better to discover this before a fire, then the shock of the realization after.

There is a person involve in construction. They keep commenting that this will be a cash cow with rebuild projects. The mindset is that the jobs will start building by the end of this year. Yeah, that will not happen. Didn’t happen with Iniki rebuild. If you went to the building department before this….I did. It will take 5 months for them to look at the project. If there is any additional item needed you are to the back of the line. I have contractors talking about projects with 2 years to get a permit.

 

[Taboma]

There is a person involve in construction. They keep commenting that this will be a cash cow with rebuild projects. The mindset is that the jobs will start building by the end of this year. Yeah, that will not happen. Didn’t happen with Iniki rebuild. If you went to the building department before this….I did. It will take 5 months for them to look at the project. If there is any additional item needed you are to the back of the line. I have contractors talking about projects with 2 years to get a permit.

I agree with your time assessment, and that's for simply replacing homes in relatively newer developments compared to the older residential sections.
There's going to be a major safety reassessment which is going to require a massive coordination between the city engineers and the fire authority.
This in and of itself may require a major upgrade and restructuring of water and power utilities. You don't take a city the age of Lahaina and restore it, the new Lahaina will bear little resemblance to it's predecessor.
These upgrades and revised code requirements will cause the rebuild costs to soar, taxing if not overwhelming most any previous insurance policies.

The homes in my neighborhood that were lost were mostly built in the early 70's. These homes were designed and built with almost no regard to the "What if" of a wildfire, they were going to burn, and they did.
The homes that replaced them share almost nothing in common with the ones they replaced and trust me, even with what we felt was more than adequate limits and the high percentage riders for code change requirements, we found it necessary to dig deep into the monies allocated for replacing Personal Property to get er done.

I believe many if not most of those who are positioned to be hurt the most with their losses, will be woefully underinsured. IF they rebuild, and I suspect many will not, they will either require additional fundings, successful litigation (Which as you know will take many many years), or build something far smaller if that's possible, than what they had.

It didn't take us three years to rebuild because we were so enamored with living in our driveway in a 5th wheel trailer

Most people don't realize that before the insurance company will approve and release funds, you have to submit a proposal from a licensed contractor in the form of a contract, stating how much it would cost to rebuild your exact home as it was insured. How many of you have plans for your original home ?
How many of the older homes in Lahaina can produce a set of plans ?

Oh sorry, I guess you got me started "Spinning again"

 

[Ace in the Hole]

If this doesn’t work ill
Upload it later from home.

This was an hour ago in Lahaina. Sent to me by one of my buddies who is working on infrastructure. The lack of fed money etc is disgusting. But Ukraine is more important than the Kanaka & locals of Lahaina. I’m going to stop there so I don’t get pissed off.

 

[timstoy]

I still find it hard to believe the lack of coverage of this tragedy! Almost like a cover up!

 

[Ace in the Hole]

I still find it hard to believe the lack of coverage of this tragedy! Almost like a cover up!

It is a land grab...and a testament to the ineptitude of government leadership there. Herman Andaya laughed and made jokes about people in text messages as they lost their homes/and or died. He needs to be tarred and feathered. I'd hate to be him since that evidence came out.

The fed's don't care about their illegally occupied islands, they only care about their money laundering factory in Ukraine.

Josh Green wants to make his dream 15 min city, complete with foreign owned resorts.... He's directed money to build temporary tiny home communities out of the area for displaced residents versus spending the money to get the area cleaned up to rebuild....its a calculated action by the corrupt admin.

 

[dread Pirate]

It is a land grab...and a testament to the ineptitude of government leadership there. Herman Andaya laughed and made jokes about people in text messages as they lost their homes/and or died. He needs to be tarred and feathered. I'd hate to be him since that evidence came out.

The fed's don't care about their illegally occupied islands, they only care about their money laundering factory in Ukraine.

Josh Green wants to make his dream 15 min city, complete with foreign owned resorts.... He's directed money to build temporary tiny home communities out of the area for displaced residents versus spending the money to get the area cleaned up to rebuild....its a calculated action by the corrupt admin.

Like Jamaica. All the beaches and coastline are owned by resorts. Locals can't fish or even swim in the water anymore. Getting jobs in the service industry is about their only option and there's an island full of people without other choices to take advantage of.

Chris Blackwell made his fortune from Jamaican music and has now screwed over the same people who made him what he is. Same playbook we're seeing used all over our own country.

 

[Orange Juice]

Do any of you plan for this? I keep two long hoses with nozzles ready, but I assume when there’s a community fire, water pressures is super low, and of no help.
I keep my big trees trimmed, but not all neighbors are green thumbs, and have no clue about fire safety. Some are too cheap to have them groomed regularly, especially if they own large properties.

last time my trees were trimmed, it cost me $1800, pre Covid.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Do any of you plan for this? I keep two long hoses with nozzles ready, but I assume when there’s a community fire, water pressures is super low, and of no help.
I keep my big trees trimmed, but not all neighbors are green thumbs, and have no clue about fire safety. Some are too cheap to have them groomed regularly, especially if they own large properties.

last time my trees were trimmed, it cost me $1800, pre Covid.

they shut the water off to the hydrants. Once the tanks on the hill were dry they (maui land co & MFD) asked for diversion of water...however the asscuck in charge of that (Kaleo Manuel) denied their request as it would have taken from allocated farm water.... Pretty sure that clown is still in hiding...and the fire was moving too fast for the residents to react in reality once he dictated that a study/consultation with landowners/farmers would have to happen before he would allow the water diversion...He is directly responsible for many many deaths as he delayed the release of water by many hours.

 

[ChumpChange]

Do any of you plan for this? I keep two long hoses with nozzles ready, but I assume when there’s a community fire, water pressures is super low, and of no help.
I keep my big trees trimmed, but not all neighbors are green thumbs, and have no clue about fire safety. Some are too cheap to have them groomed regularly, especially if they own large properties.

last time my trees were trimmed, it cost me $1800, pre Covid.

How many trees do you have and how large? I wish mine were only $1800. Every three years and it’s about $8000. Trees are expensive, especially when they are 50-year-old redwoods and Pines amongst others.

 

[Angler]

I still find it hard to believe the lack of coverage of this tragedy! Almost like a cover up!

Almost like a cover up? it is.

 

[kimbalee]

100% planned democrat land grab. We have a group of native Hawaiian general contractors that come to KOH with us every year - ZERO building permits granted since the DEW attack. ZERO. Hurricane rebuilds get their rebuild permits within 10 days historically in FLA & across the US. The affected residents are getting kicked out of the hotels and they have no insurance money and nowhere to go - they will be forced to sell their land to the state and/or evil Green will eminent domaine their land. Literally NOTHING has been done except the fences the gubment put up. Having said all that, the Natives (who have always voted left) STILL have not fought back en masse so there's that.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

I still find it hard to believe the lack of coverage of this tragedy! Almost like a cover up!

47,946 days straight of coverups in Hawai'i began in 1893. The US governments role and complacency is nothing new, nor surprising. Go down the rabbit hole sometime..it explains a lot of why HI operates like it does. The Maui fire response is just par for the course and another slap in the face to the locals.

100% planned democrat land grab. We have a group of native Hawaiian general contractors that come to KOH with us every year - ZERO building permits granted since the DEW attack. ZERO. Hurricane rebuilds get their rebuild permits within 10 days historically in FLA & across the US. The affected residents are getting kicked out of the hotels and they have no insurance money and nowhere to go - they will be forced to sell their land to the state and/or evil Green will eminent domaine their land. Literally NOTHING has been done except the fences the gubment put up. Having said all that, the Natives (who have always voted left) STILL have not fought back en masse so there's that.

Statistically they just don’t vote… the largest voting block in Hawaii is the Japanese population, if it’s got a D after the name that’s all they care about. Hawaiians do not vote in part because it would legitimize what many view as an illegitimate government (they are right).

 

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