Magic PowerBoats (Shady)

[vegastechie]

http://www.magicpowerboats.com/49.html

I looked at this white/blue magic boat back in January, when it was listed as a 2010 with only 87 hours on it. Now he has it listed as a 2011 with 142 hours? :::scratching head::::

 

[OutCole'd]

It's magic how they do that.

 

[boatpi]

In some recent posts that have clearly upset a few, I posted a few facts for RDPer's to read about USCG regulations as it pertains to boat MFG. Not claiming to be the resident expert here, more so when I see the need to clarify a few facts. Just like others do on RDP.

IF a boat MFG has not sold a boat, they have the legal ability to change it from say a 2010 to a 2011 model. Remember this is as I understand it for builder ONLY and for unsold NEW boats. Think of as being very different than cars, as cars have many government and safety changes to adhere to each year. For boats, not much changes each year if at all.

I know for a fact that several years ago a nationwide boat builder was left with a large leftover inventory of boats form the previous year. They came along and changed the year to the current year model.

Some builders build hulls and do not number them until they are sold new. In most states this is legal too. In CA this is legal. At that point they install the HIN on the back of the boat and a secondary number internally.

Not suggesting this was done with this Magic, just some FYI.

 

[Outdrive1]

In some recent posts that have clearly upset a few, I posted a few facts for RDPer's to read about USCG regulations as it pertains to boat MFG. Not claiming to be the resident expert here, more so when I see the need to clarify a few facts. Just like others do on RDP.

IF a boat MFG has not sold a boat, they have the legal ability to change it from say a 2010 to a 2011 model. Remember this is as I understand it for builder ONLY and for unsold NEW boats. Think of as being very different than cars, as cars have many government and safety changes to adhere to each year. For boats, not much changes each year if at all.

I know for a fact that several years ago a nationwide boat builder was left with a large leftover inventory of boats form the previous year. They came along and changed the year to the current year model.

Some builders build hulls and do not number them until they are sold new. In most states this is legal too. In CA this is legal. At that point they install the HIN on the back of the boat and a secondary number internally.

Not suggesting this was done with this Magic, just some FYI.

I would guess that the only reason they had hins in the first place is that they were built on credit and that way the bank could secure the loans. If not they would have never been stamped and they would be selling 2014 Magics today.

 

[vegastechie]

Tony at Magic told me specifically the boat was on consignment, not an unsold 2010 Model.

 

[LomitaBob]

is it possible that you looked at a different boat with the same Gel scheme? I have seen alot of them that are almost identical. seems like they use 2 or 3 Gel Schemes a year and just change the color unless it was a special order deal, at least thats been my observation. I was looking at a couple 08's a while back and it seemed like they were all one way and the next year was something different

 

[Demoman]

Probably just a clerical mix up on one of the adds. Seems like if they were trying to be sketchy they would take hours off from the original add instead of adding more hours. Good looking boat either way

 

[boatpi]

You might want to look at the trailer VIN, that does not change.

 

[Paul65k]

You might want to look at the trailer VIN, that does not change.

What are you; some kind of detective or something ???:rotflmao:

 

[HolyMoly]

Well I think I may have been hoodwinked...I was looking at the pink slip of my Schiada, and it says "Scheidia" LOL

 

[DaveC]

Cheap chinese knockoff.....

Well I think I may have been hoodwinked...I was looking at the pink slip of my Schiada, and it says "Scheidia" LOL

 

[HolyMoly]

Cheap chinese knockoff.....

V-drive is stamped CASARE

 

[Outdrive1]

V-drive is stamped CASARE

You buy it at Rax Marine?

 

[rivergames]

Well I think I may have been hoodwinked...I was looking at the pink slip of my Schiada, and it says "Scheidia" LOL

Thats because is came outta Compton

 

[Kleptow]

Well if there is any truth to it this thread will go poof any minute.

 

[milkmoney]

rumor on the street is somebody bought magic and is going to turn it around, my understanding somebody with some real money and not hope of the economy trying to turn to make it..jus sayin"

 

[plaster dave]

Thats a big boat, I wonder how well it runs with a single TCM 800?:hmm

I would guess 108+. My buddy has a 540ci na makes 650hp and he has done 94mph. But these Septors have the double step bottoms. Much faster then the single step bottom.

 

[prosthogod]

rumor on the street is somebody bought magic and is going to turn it around, my understanding somebody with some real money and not hope of the economy trying to turn to make it..jus sayin"

is he from scottsdale?

 

[milkmoney]

is he from scottsdale?

not sure....

 

[PVHCA]

Thats because is came outta Compton

Straight outta Compton!!

 

[Phebus]

I have heard some things about Tony that would make me not want to trust him.

 

[TBI]

rumor on the street is somebody bought magic and is going to turn it around, my understanding somebody with some real money and not hope of the economy trying to turn to make it..jus sayin"

David Copperfield?

 

[HolyMoly]

David Copperfield?

david chopperfield?

tapa-typed from my mobile gadget

 

[riverroyal]

few months ago from Magic, letting me know they were still there basically.
I wouldnt buy from them at this time, there are too many other options in town.
If they do get 'turned around' if thats even posible right now, I would buy another. Our deck boat has been perfect, zero issues for 7 years. Flat Top is doing all the service work, they were basically magic, when it was booming.

The H deck boat was just a few years too late, market changed, the company had issues etc. But it is a very impressive boat that took a long time to get right. We asked for boat number #1 or #2 when it was ready for release, after waiting for over a year I lost interest. Probably a good thing, the company closed.

Id buy a used low hour Magic with out any hesitation.

 

[ryanshaw07]

anyone know what they are asking for the Magic??

What would you pay for it??

 

[LowRiver2]

Good info BoatPI,

Weekend Warrior did the same thing, I'd venture 50% of all their stuff sold after 05' is a year to two years older than what their registration cards say. Crappy loophole in the RV industry.

 

[boatnam2]

Boat biz is as shady as all hell, Maybe not as bad now with many players going to the waste side....

 

[Jersey Mike]

Thats a big boat, I wonder how well it runs with a single TCM 800?:hmm

I would guess 108+. My buddy has a 540ci na makes 650hp and he has done 94mph. But these Septors have the double step bottoms. Much faster then the single step bottom.

I agree with Dave. I have a 8-71 (4lbs of boost) on top of a 540ci (single step bottom) and have seen 105 gps and still had a little more left. And as was mentioned, the double step is faster!

 

[boatpi]

It seems this would be the old magic sold to Tony. Note the MIC code are the first three letters/numbers that make up the HIN on the boat:

MIC: NAS

Status: Inactive

Company:NORTH AMERICAN SLEEKCRAFT INC

Company Official:

RON MOYES

Parent Company:
Parent MIC:

Address:

1100 NORTH LAKE HAVASU AVE

City:LAKE HAVASU CITY

State:AZ

Zip:86403

Country:
Phone:9286807600

In Business:

Wednesday, April 20, 1994

Out of Business:

Thursday, January 07, 2010

Date Modified:

Monday, February 01, 2010
Type:Inboards, Cabin Cruisers

Additional Address:

RON MOYES CELL# 6028091662

Comments:

PMR DELETED MLS. (NAS) WAS NICHOLAS ANDERSON BOATS, EAST BAY AVE, BARNEGAT NJ 08005, OOB 820720. NORTH AMERICAN SLEEKCRAFT BOUGHT ASSETS OF (ASL), NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PAST PRODUCTION. MAGIC BOATS (MGE) BUILDING SOME BOATS FOR NORTH AMERICAN PER MSO LOS 950731. 950824 MSO CHANGED FROM LOS TO SDC PER MSO LOS. 12/26/96 MAIL RETURNED, MOVED. NO FORWARDING ADDRESS PER PHON CON SHIRLEY JAMISON CHANGE OF ADDRESS AND POC; WAS 3407 N 24TH ST; PHOENIX AZ; FACTORY 3106 W BRDWAY; PHOENIX 85041 - CO HAS NOT BEEN OOB. BUILDING 21-34 FT STERN DRIVES AND ONE O/B (21 FT). RJD 7/98. 980903 CHANGED POC; WAS SHIRLEY JAMISON. SOMETIME IN 1999; MAGIC BOATS (MGE) FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY AND THE ASSETS WERE ACQUIRED BY SLEEKCRAFT. MDillion-RNI-EMAIL:03108MFG PKG & BSC #83:MAILED-030820-Mm. 1/7/2010 (RDH) DURING A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION TO SCHEDULE AN INSPECTION VISIT AT NAS, NEW OWNER POC TONY POORE EXPLAINED THAT NORTH AMERICAN SLEEKCRAFT (NAS) IS DEFUNCT, AND NO LONGER BUILDING BOATS. MR. POORE PURCHASED ALL NAS ASSETS, INCLUDING BOAT MOLDS, FROM A BANK FORECLOSURE PORTFOLIO. NO PREVIOUS NAS PRINCIPALS WERE RETAINED. THREE PRIOR NAS EMPLOYEES WERE REHIRED BY MR. POORE. ALL BOATS DISTRIBUTED AT MR. POORE'S FACTORY WILL BE EITHER COUGAR CUSTOM BOATS (LQT) OR MAGIC POWERBOATS (MPL).

*******************************************************************************************************************************************************************
The "New" Magic, NOTE new MIC for the new boats (MPL):

MIC: MPL

Status:In Business

Company:

MAGIC POWERBOATS LLC

Company Official: TONY POOLE

Parent Company:

Parent MIC:

Address: 1609 COUNTRYSHIRE AVE

City:LAKE HAVASU CITY

State:AZ

Zip:86403

Country:

Phone:9288464730

Fax:
In Business: Wednesday, August 05, 2009

Out of Business:

Date Modified:

Wednesday, October 12, 2011


Type:Inboards, Cabin Cruisers
Outboards, Open Motorboats, Jon Boats

Additional Address:

STATE LIC 10-00020406



Comments:

OOB PER MSO PHI 16711 911016. MCCLARIN PLASTICS INC (HANOVER PA) IB-6/2/1975 OOB-10/16/1991. 011310, RDH, MPL/LQT ACQUIRED ASSETS OF NORTH AMERICAN SLEEKCRAFT BOATS (NAS) IN JULY 2009, BUT DECLARED NAS OOB IN JANUARY 2010 AFTER MOVING FACTORY LOCATION FROM HILL CITY, KS TO LAKE HAVASU CITY, AZ.

 

[vegastechie]

Tony was asking 80K when I looked at the boat back in Jan....

Havasu is a very small town, and the boat industry even smaller. No one had anything good to say about Tony @ Magic when I spent a weekend there looking at used boats.