Libtards fighting with libtards...

[rivermobster]

You can't make this kinna stuff up!

https://www.sfgate.com/california/article/lithium-mining-salton-sea-damage-19854665.php

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Classic! I grew up in the Palm Desert area and hunted and partied out at the Salton Sea a lot as a kid. There is no ecological to protect. That place is a waste land. There is some fish here and there, but every couple years or so there is a die off and the beaches are riddled with dead crappy fish and then the place smells like a sewer. Mary Bono spent years trying to get funding to clean it up. Her best plan was to create a dike through the center and clean up the northern part and turn the south part into wetlands. I got stories in that place....I almost died in quick sand (yes it exists), sank a boat on opening day of duck, and one other story I can comment on.

 

[Mandelon]

Electric cars will save the world, but you can't make any of the parts. Sorry. LOL

 

[c_land]

Electric cars are now the devil because Elon builds them.

 

[BoatCop]

Classic! I grew up in the Palm Desert area and hunted and partied out at the Salton Sea a lot as a kid. There is no ecological to protect. That place is a waste land. There is some fish here and there, but every couple years or so there is a die off and the beaches are riddled with dead crappy fish and then the place smells like a sewer. Mary Bono spent years trying to get funding to clean it up. Her best plan was to create a dike through the center and clean up the northern part and turn the south part into wetlands. I got stories in that place....I almost died in quick sand (yes it exists), sank a boat on opening day of duck, and one other story I can comment on.

I also spent my youth going to the Salton Sea, weekend and vacation trips probably 4-5 times a year, late '50s to early '70s. Loved swimming, since you would float better, even better than the ocean, due to the salt content. Although a hard fall while skiing was a little rougher than the River.

I'm "glad" you ALMOST got sucked into quicksand. Didn't know it was around there. I've never personally heard of a genuine quicksand situation. From watching TV shows and western/cowboy movies, I had presumed that it would be more of a problem than it actually is.

 

[BoatCop]

Electric cars are now the devil because Elon builds them.

Nah. They still love electric cars, just hating Teslas. Even as they beg him to lay down infrastructure (chargers) and retrofit Tesla chargers to accept any make of EV.

 

[napanutt]

Nah. They still love electric cars, just hating Teslas. Even as they beg him to lay down infrastructure (chargers) and retrofit Tesla chargers to accept any make of EV.

Love Elon. He gives no fucks.

So many X etc. posts about how much they all of a sudden hate Elon because of his political leanings.
I love it.

 

[2Driver]

Just a few fun facts

The speed of light is 671 million MPH
It would take 20,000 years at the speed of light to reach the end of our galaxy
There are 200 billion galaxies on the low side estimate.
It would take 30,000 years for Voyager 1 to reach edge of just our solar system
The sun is 10,000 degrees on the outer edge and 27 million degrees at its core
Solar flares, which effect the earth, can be 200,000 miles long
1,300,000 earths can fit inside the sun
Man creates only 3% of the earths co2.

LOL Driving a different car isn't going to cool the earth, the sun and solar system are running the program and man is just here for a while.

As always spot on…..

 

[rivermobster]

 

[Romans9]

Oil is a gift to mankind.

Abiogenic petroleum.​

Petroleum is likely the “greenest” energy on earth.

 

[77charger]

Classic! I grew up in the Palm Desert area and hunted and partied out at the Salton Sea a lot as a kid. There is no ecological to protect. That place is a waste land. There is some fish here and there, but every couple years or so there is a die off and the beaches are riddled with dead crappy fish and then the place smells like a sewer. Mary Bono spent years trying to get funding to clean it up. Her best plan was to create a dike through the center and clean up the northern part and turn the south part into wetlands. I got stories in that place....I almost died in quick sand (yes it exists), sank a boat on opening day of duck, and one other story I can comment on.

Only story I have if that place was like 1984. We parked in the was under the 86 which is now truck haven.

I rode my 185 atc to the shore with my brother on his atc. I wanted to mud bog so ride aking the shore. That was the nastiest stinking messiest stickiest mud I have ever seen to this day. Barely got out too. My dad beat our asses when we got back to the truck as well

Oh the memory

 

[DLC]

Once upon a time that was all under water…. By a few hundred feet!

Stop by the museum off the 8 freeway

Home

Imperial Valley Desert Museum

www.ivdesertmuseum.org

 

[DLC]

There are a lot of people that have cancer & died from the dusty, dry minerals & contaminated environment ….

If they kept the lake full or near full it wouldn’t be the disaster that it is today …

 

[Lumpy]

"Extracting lithium-rich brine from deep beneath the valley floor is a complex process that consumes enormous amounts of water — a vital resource that’s already at risk of vanishing.”

 

[Ziggy]

Once upon a time that was all under water…. By a few hundred feet!

Stop by the museum off the 8 freeway

Home

Imperial Valley Desert Museum

www.ivdesertmuseum.org

I watched a documentary where a smart person tells the interviewer, stand here and look around the whole valley & notice the bathtub ring. Might have been this docu....

Very noticable in certain areas like near where the birdcages are on the hill in the pic(1800's pic I think)

Or like, why else are there gazillions of seashells in Ocotillo Wells' "Shell Reef"?

 

[rrrr]

Just a few fun facts

The speed of light is 671 million MPH
It would take 20,000 years at the speed of light to reach the end of our galaxy
There are 200 billion galaxies on the low side estimate.
It would take 30,000 years for Voyager 1 to reach edge of just our solar system
The sun is 10,000 degrees on the outer edge and 27 million degrees at its core
Solar flares, which effect the earth, can be 200,000 miles long
1,300,000 earths can fit inside the sun
Man creates only 3% of the earths co2.

LOL Driving a different car isn't going to cool the earth, the sun and solar system are running the program and man is just here for a while.

As always spot on…..

I dunno about the rest of your facts, but Voyager 1 left the solar system, or more properly the Heliosphere, on August 25, 2012. Voyager 2 followed into interstellar space on November 5, 2018.

After streaking through space for nearly 35 years, NASA's robotic Voyager 1 probe finally left the solar system in August 2012, a study published today (Sept. 12) in the journal Science reports.

"Voyager has boldly gone where no probe has gone before, marking one of the most significant technological achievements in the annals of the history of science, and as it enters interstellar space, it adds a new chapter in human scientific dreams and endeavors," NASA science chief John Grunsfeld said in a statement. "Perhaps some future deep-space explorers will catch up with Voyager, our first interstellar envoy, and reflect on how this intrepid spacecraft helped enable their future."

It's Official! Voyager 1 Spacecraft Has Left Solar System

After nearly 35 years of spaceflight, the venerable NASA probe popped free into interstellar space in August 2012, a new study reports.

www.space.com

 

[2Driver]

I dunno about the rest of your facts, but Voyager 1 left the solar system, or more properly the Heliosphere, on August 25, 2012. Voyager 2 followed into interstellar space on November 5, 2018.

After streaking through space for nearly 35 years, NASA's robotic Voyager 1 probe finally left the solar system in August 2012, a study published today (Sept. 12) in the journal Science reports.

"Voyager has boldly gone where no probe has gone before, marking one of the most significant technological achievements in the annals of the history of science, and as it enters interstellar space, it adds a new chapter in human scientific dreams and endeavors," NASA science chief John Grunsfeld said in a statement. "Perhaps some future deep-space explorers will catch up with Voyager, our first interstellar envoy, and reflect on how this intrepid spacecraft helped enable their future."

It's Official! Voyager 1 Spacecraft Has Left Solar System

After nearly 35 years of spaceflight, the venerable NASA probe popped free into interstellar space in August 2012, a new study reports.

www.space.com

Dunno?

According to current estimates, it would take a spacecraft like Voyager 1, which is currently the furthest human-made object from Earth, around 30,000 years to reach the outer edge of our solar system, specifically the far side of the Oort Cloud,

 

[JL95]

The asthma like illness stemming from the salton sea is pretty shit.

 

[TPC]

Sodium batteries will eventually take over in under a decade.
The lithium debate is obsolete.
——————————————-
Debating Wokes is futile. They even disagree with those who agree with them.
They respond with ridicule, subject changing and denial.

Never use the same rhetoric they use, just respond with common sense.

What looks good on paper to them doesn’t work and they don’t get it because they don’t want to get it.

Abandon hope to get through to them.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

I also spent my youth going to the Salton Sea, weekend and vacation trips probably 4-5 times a year, late '50s to early '70s. Loved swimming, since you would float better, even better than the ocean, due to the salt content. Although a hard fall while skiing was a little rougher than the River.

I'm "glad" you ALMOST got sucked into quicksand. Didn't know it was around there. I've never personally heard of a genuine quicksand situation. From watching TV shows and western/cowboy movies, I had presumed that it would be more of a problem than it actually is.

It's there. Got pulled out with a shotgun and hunted the rest of the day in my skivvies. That was a cold one....

 

[rrrr]

Dunno?

According to current estimates, it would take a spacecraft like Voyager 1, which is currently the furthest human-made object from Earth, around 30,000 years to reach the outer edge of our solar system, specifically the far side of the Oort Cloud,

That's using a definition of the solar system boundary different than that which is generally accepted by science. The Heliopause is seen as the boundary, which is where the plasma cloud and cosmic particles produced by the sun and affecting the planets in our solar system ceases to travel any farther. The Oort Cloud encompasses a much larger area, and it's a theoretical construct. I'm lazy, it's early, so it's Wikipedia time. I bolded the pertinent text below.

By the way, AU is an abbreviation for Astronomical Unit, which is an exact measurement based on the average distance between the Earth and Sun, which is around 150 billion meters.

The Oort cloud, sometimes called the Öpik–Oort cloud, is theorized to be a vast cloud of icy planetesimals surrounding the Sun at distances ranging from 2,000 to 200,000 AU (0.03 to 3.2 light-years). The concept of such a cloud was proposed in 1950 by the Dutch astronomer Jan Oort, in whose honor the idea was named. Oort proposed that the bodies in this cloud replenish and keep constant the number of long-period comets entering the inner Solar System—where they are eventually consumed and destroyed during close approaches to the Sun.

The cloud is thought to encompass two regions: a disc-shaped inner Oort cloud aligned with the solar ecliptic (also called its Hills cloud) and a spherical outer Oort cloud enclosing the entire Solar System. Both regions lie well beyond the heliosphere and are in interstellar space.

The outer limit of the Oort cloud defines the cosmographic boundary of the Solar System. This area is defined by the Sun's Hill sphere, and hence lies at the interface between solar and galactic gravitational dominion. The outer Oort cloud is only loosely bound to the Solar System and its constituents are easily affected by the gravitational pulls of both passing stars and the Milky Way itself.

 

[MPHSystems]

Electric cars are now the devil because Elon builds them.

Elon is a Nazi

 

[rivermobster]

AI and quantum computing have already figured out a lithium battery replacement.

IMHO, eventually the powers that be Will figure out a battery that will work better than fossil fuel ever could for powering cars.

In our lifetime? Probably not. But it absolutely will happen eventuality...

AI finds lithium replacement for electric vehicle batteries

Artificial intelligence and a supercomputer have been used by Microsoft to find a new substance which could power EV batteries.

www.fleetnews.co.uk

 

[rivermobster]

This is a better article...

AI is Coming for the Automotive Experience, Down to the Battery | PYMNTS.com

We exist in an era of various innovations transforming the world’s foundational industries. And these advances, from artificial intelligence

www.pymnts.com

 

[samsah33]

Since we're on the topic of the Salton Sea... The Salton Sea will never heal as long as we continue to allow agricultural runoff, industrial runoff, and raw sewage from Mexicali to flow into it via the New River. Focusing on future lithium mining because it might harm the wetlands someday is really ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room...

Someone once said Mexico is not sending us their best, and he was mocked... Here's what Mexico is pumping into the Salton Sea via the New River and he was right (again) - it's not their best (...and shame on CA and US regulatory agencies for ignoring this catastrophe and allowing it to happen in the first place...!!!):

"The New River's flow is composed of agricultural and chemical runoff waste from farm industry irrigation in the U.S. (18.4%) and Mexico (51.2%), sewage from Mexicali (29%), and manufacturing plants operating in Mexico (1.4%). Where New River crosses the Mexico–U.S. border near Calexico, California, its channel contains a stew of about a hundred contaminants: volatile organic compounds, heavy metals including selenium, uranium, arsenic and mercury, pesticides (including DDT), and PCBs. The waterway also contains pathogens that cause tuberculosis, encephalitis, polio, cholera, hepatitis and typhoid; levels for many of these contaminants violate United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Cal/EPA standards by several hundredfold.[4]"

"Fecal coliform bacteria have reached 100,000 to 16 million colonies per milliliter at the border checkpoint (possibly more, as this is the measuring capacity threshold), far above the U.S.–Mexico treaty limit of 240 colonies.[5][6] In 2017 monthly samples from the New River ranged from 12,000 to more than 160,000 per 100 milliliters. California considers water safe for swimming at 400.[7]"

"Highly polluted inflow to the New River and agricultural runoff has resulted in elevated bacterial levels and large algal blooms in the Salton Sea. Lacking an outlet for its water, the Salton Sea's salinity has increased by approximately 1% per year. Increasing water temperature, salinity and bacterial levels led to massive fish die-offs in 1992, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2006, and 2008, and created ideal breeding grounds for avian botulism, cholera and Newcastle disease, leading to massive avian epizootics 1992–2019."

New River (Mexico–United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Sharky]

Elon is a Nazi

Wait. . .what??? I thought Trump was the Nazi.

I'll have to watch the view and update my score card

 

[rivrrts429]

Dig a trench from the Salton Sea to the Sea Of Cortez and create a more efficient way to ship items from the South. That would be the healthiest thing to do to sustain the Salton Sea.

Enviro nuts would lose their shit on that idea too. They have no idea how to manage a resource to its best ability.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Dig a trench from the Salton Sea to the Sea Of Cortez and create a more efficient way to ship items from the South. That would be the healthiest thing to do to sustain the Salton Sea.

Enviro nuts would lose their shit on that idea too. They have no idea how to manage a resource to its best ability.

An environut reaction is to ban everything and that's what they call management.

 

[rivrrts429]

An environut reaction is to ban everything and that's what they call management.

The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing lol

 

[samsah33]

Dig a trench from the Salton Sea to the Sea Of Cortez and create a more efficient way to ship items from the South. That would be the healthiest thing to do to sustain the Salton Sea.

Enviro nuts would lose their shit on that idea too. They have no idea how to manage a resource to its best ability.

Rumor has it that there used to be a channel from the Sea of Cortez to the Salton Sea, and there's even wives' tales about sightings of old ships around the Coachella Valley supposedly from the 1400's when there was a channel.

Problem is that there's a lot of areas in the CV that are below sea level, and once you equalize with the oceans, you'll submerge those areas. Not that losing El Centro or Mexicali or Indio would be a bad thing...

Heck, how about just using the CV as an overflow for the rising oceans...?

 

[spectra3279]

You can't make this kinna stuff up!

https://www.sfgate.com/california/article/lithium-mining-salton-sea-damage-19854665.php

How do you pollute a lake that's actually made of polluted water? Did they clean part of it?

 

[WTMFA]

I watched a documentary where a smart person tells the interviewer, stand here and look around the whole valley & notice the bathtub ring. Might have been this docu....

Very noticable in certain areas like near where the birdcages are on the hill in the pic(1800's pic I think)
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Or like, why else are there gazillions of seashells in Ocotillo Wells' "Shell Reef"?

I was just going to mention the ring, I notice it everytime I head down to Glamis.

 

[Gelcoater]

I was just going to mention the ring, I notice it everytime I head down to Glamis.

Yep.
Is pretty plain to see.

Around 05-06 we camped at Ocotillo Wells for the Thanksgiving week.
The day before TG Day, one of the kids in camp (he was 15?) took a spill and literally broke his helmet. Later that day my wife bent the brake rotor on the Raptor and broke the caliper stay.

So at first light Thanksgiving Day I go to the only place I’m going to be able to score a rotor and stay, and young Eric is on board to score a new helmet so he can ride the next 4 days.


We are cruising along and I say hey Eric. Look at the elevation on the GPS.

He looks confused.
Negative 120ft or so.
He says negative? How is that possible?
How are we below sea level he asks.

I explain it to him and tell him to slap his geography teacher when he goes back

 

[mash on it]

Yep.
Is pretty plain to see.

Around 05-06 we camped at Ocotillo Wells for the Thanksgiving week.
The day before TG Day, one of the kids in camp (he was 15?) took a spill and literally broke his helmet. Later that day my wife bent the brake rotor on the Raptor and broke the caliper stay.

So at first light Thanksgiving Day I go to the only place I’m going to be able to score a rotor and stay, and young Eric is on board to score a new helmet so he can ride the next 4 days.


We are cruising along and I say hey Eric. Look at the elevation on the GPS.

He looks confused.
Negative 120ft or so.
He says negative? How is that possible?
How are we below sea level he asks.

I explain it to him and tell him to slap his geography teacher when he goes back

Out south of Nyland (sp?) there's a silo or vertical tank, and about 50 feet up, a big black stripe, with 'sea level' above it. Easily seen from the highway.

Pops was in trucking. I seen the world thru a windshield.

Dan'l

 

[coolchange]

I’ve said this years ago. Logistically it makes sense.
Rail to Fontana to get it up to high desert Barstow, largest rail yard in the country.
A real highway to get it up Chiaroco summit and east bound.
Financially well…
You’d have to have, I think it was 4 locks to get it connected down to salton sea. Boon for Mexico like Panama Canal. It would cost millions of trillions though. Warehousing everywhere around Indio.
Speaking of warehouses. Been to the bottom of the grapevine lately? Holy crap!
HUGE warehouse city. Caterpillar, ikea, etc. Building apartments to house workers. Looks like a company town.