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I quit in july. People wanted me to stay and wait it out but i had enough. If this actually happens which I doubt. I will stand with them!
 

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I thought I read somewhere they're not allowed to strike.
 

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I hope to god their union reps never signed a strikeless clause. Ibew has something like this in place. for us it Doesnt necessarily mean you cant strike but from my understanding the locals involved in the negotiation have to take a vote and you need like over 75% of the membership to vote in favor a strike if negotiations fall through. Makes it really hard to aggressively bargain. Good news is a 24%pay increase isnt a big ask in front of the arbiters theres been some negotiations in other industries for a similar pay increase and they got it. Go get em guys!!
 

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Theres a process and its been going on for several months. If contract isn’t ratified they finally will be able to strike per the rules of the railway labor act.
A friend of mine was trying to explain it to me the other day at top golf, he drives trains. After a few beers I forgot most of it 🙃
 

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This wouldn't have anything to do with Black Rock, or does it?
 

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its a bitch going forwards and backwards on a track,i hope the carknockers get a raise !
 

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I hope to god their union reps never signed a strikeless clause. Ibew has something like this in place. for us it Doesnt necessarily mean you cant strike but from my understanding the locals involved in the negotiation have to take a vote and you need like over 75% of the membership to vote in favor a strike if negotiations fall through. Makes it really hard to aggressively bargain. Good news is a 24%pay increase isnt a big ask in front of the arbiters theres been some negotiations in other industries for a similar pay increase and they got it. Go get em guys!!

The pay increase 24% over 5 years has been agreed to.
The issue is work/life balance - the two larger unions want a change to on-call rules is what I read. Currently when on-call you must be within an hour of the yard for a period of 12 hours. Seems excessive that your on-call day is 12 hours long.
 

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The pay increase 24% over 5 years has been agreed to.
The issue is work/life balance - the two larger unions want a change to on-call rules is what I read. Currently when on-call you must be within an hour of the yard for a period of 12 hours. Seems excessive that your on-call day is 12 hours long.
That’s how the medical field works (on call anyways). Pretty sure LEOs and EMS are the same.

Granted we’re talking life saving vs shipping. I can see both sides. You’ve got people working their ass off and deserve family time. But you also have millions of people relying on trains to move on schedule.
 

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Its about time off, average American gets 9.6 days off per month. As of Feb 1 2022 the railroaders get 2. It was 7 before that. They are on call 24/7 365... The railroad thinks that while on call that is time off. If you cant have a cocktail it ant your time. When called they have 15mins to respond and to be at work ready to go 1.5 hours from the first ring. Also they dont know when, where or how long they will be gone. Between 8hrs to 3 days. Iv been doing it for 25 years. they tried to fire me once for going home sick. I wasn't paid for the day. 4 times in 25 years. Never been in trouble with the company. They rule with an iron fist..
 

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Its about time off, average American gets 9.6 days off per month. As of Feb 1 2022 the railroaders get 2. It was 7 before that. They are on call 24/7 365... The railroad thinks that while on call that is time off. If you cant have a cocktail it ant your time. When called they have 15mins to respond and to be at work ready to go 1.5 hours from the first ring. Also they dont know when, where or how long they will be gone. Between 8hrs to 3 days. Iv been doing it for 25 years. they tried to fire me once for going home sick. I wasn't paid for the day. 4 times in 25 years. Never been in trouble with the company. They rule with an iron fist..
Are you at least getting 1.5-2x pay in that scenario? I’m sure it’s still not worth it when you’re missing birthdays, vacations etc.

Can you put in for vacation time?
 

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Are you at least getting 1.5-2x pay in that scenario? I’m sure it’s still not worth it when you’re missing birthdays, vacations etc.

Can you put in for vacation time?
Not sure just what your asking. No pay for being on call, I dont get paid extra for working nights weekends or holidays. Yes i have vaction time which is something else they have made really hard to use. They would rather pay us for it than allow us to take it. Thet 24% sounds great but its not 24% becaue they are increasing how much i have to pay for my INS. so really its more like 15% over 5 years. Mean while the bosses got 39% over 2 years. There is a lot of other things but you wouldnt understand them. In my 25 years they comapny has refused to pay me over a 100k for made up bs. Honetly i have never seen any company treat people so poorly. Id quit but im so close to the 30 year finish line. i want my 30% per year i ve been puting into the retirement. Once i do i will flip them the bird for sure.
 

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Not sure just what your asking. No pay for being on call, I dont get paid extra for working nights weekends or holidays. Yes i have vaction time which is something else they have made really hard to use. They would rather pay us for it than allow us to take it. they 24% sounds great but its not 24% becaue they are increasing how much i have to pay for my INS. so really its more like 15% over 5 years. Mean while the bosses got 39% over 2 years. There is a lot of other things but you wouldnt understand them. In my 25 years they comapny has refused to pay me over a 100k for made up bs.
Sorry I wasn’t trying to be cryptic.

Are you on a monthly schedule and then on call on your “off” days? Meaning you’re being paid OT when you get called in.

Or are you just constantly on call with 2 guaranteed days off a month?
 

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On call 24/7 365. those 2 days off are mon-thursday. if you take a Fri Sat or Sunday your only allowed 1.5 days off. 1 day off = 24hrs not on call. its a very complicated point system. Im not going to try to explain it. If you take everyother wednesday off to see the kids because your devoiced. You will be terminated in 16 months. Take more than that you will just speed up the termination process.
 

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On call 24/7 365. those 2 days off are mon-thursday. if you take a Fri Sat or Sunday your only allowed 1.5 days off. 1 day off = 24hrs not on call. its a very complicated point system. Im not going to try to explain it. If you take everyother wednesday off to see the kids because your devoiced. You will be terminated in 16 months. Take more than that you will just speed up the termination process.

Railroad working is a hard life.



^ that video works for the earbud thread too!
 

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The pay increase 24% over 5 years has been agreed to.
The issue is work/life balance - the two larger unions want a change to on-call rules is what I read. Currently when on-call you must be within an hour of the yard for a period of 12 hours. Seems excessive that your on-call day is 12 hours long.
Great for the pay increase, crazy that they have to be on call for 12 hour shifts and within 1 hour of the yard, no down time for family or recharging, not to get political but with all these able body lazy fucks suckling off the GOV teet and sitting on their asses at home vs working its a shame we have such a employee shortage causing all these issues.
 

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On call 24/7 365. those 2 days off are mon-thursday. if you take a Fri Sat or Sunday your only allowed 1.5 days off. 1 day off = 24hrs not on call. its a very complicated point system. Im not going to try to explain it. If you take everyother wednesday off to see the kids because your devoiced. You will be terminated in 16 months. Take more than that you will just speed up the termination process.
Amazing that they have enough people signing up that they could fire you that quickly.
 

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Amazing that they have enough people signing up that they could fire you that quickly.
Thats the thing they dont. They are causing these probelms on purpuse to force the govement to allow them to reduce crew size to one person.
 
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Thats the thing they dont. They are causing these probelms on purpuse to force the govement to allow the to reduce crew size to one person.
Why? Is it THAT low-margin of a business that this kind of petty shit matters, one extra person on train moving thousands of tons of goods?! A ship has dozens of crew..
 

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Why? Is it THAT low-margin of a business that this kind of petty shit matters, one extra person on train moving thousands of tons of goods?! A ship has dozens of crew..
Nope, they make record profits every year. BNSF is the 3 most profitable company Warren B ownes.
 

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The pay’s not bad
It’s really not that great tho either.

Amazing that they have enough people signing up that they could fire you that quickly.
As he said it’s not about people it’s about their desire for less people while trying to look like the victim to the FRA as well Congress.

Nope, they make record profits every year. BNSF is the 3 most profitable company Warren B ownes.
Record profits while bitching about the costs of having the employees that do the work, and the miserable hours.
 

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Why? Is it THAT low-margin of a business that this kind of petty shit matters, one extra person on train moving thousands of tons of goods?! A ship has dozens of crew..

Low margin? Rail service is a prime example of a monopoly.

They charge what they want, when they want.

And they will deliver it, when they feel like it.

If you don't like it, FU - Customers treated the same way they treat their employees.
 

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The pay increase 24% over 5 years has been agreed to.
The issue is work/life balance - the two larger unions want a change to on-call rules is what I read. Currently when on-call you must be within an hour of the yard for a period of 12 hours. Seems excessive that your on-call day is 12 hours long.
Sounds like your on call status should be paid more like a stand by not on call. By that im saying if your phone rings and you HAVE to take the call that doesnt really sound like on call to me i read that as stand by and you should be getting paid. Our contract pays half time for stand by pay. If its an option to take the call that sounds like on call which no pay should be rendered sounds fair to me.

For the pay increase i think thats kind of chicken shit that they are going to require the hands to pay more for their benefits if they are staying the same. Now if they are asking for more money for better paid benefits health insurance coverage or better retirement matches or pay outs... Ok theres something to be considered. I hope these men get what they want.

From what i gather it seems a lot of union contracts have been extended or had minor changes benefiting the company for the last twn years and as of late seems arbiters are taking this into consideration and requiring the companies to bend more for the hands.
 

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Sounds like your on call status should be paid more like a stand by not on call. By that im saying if your phone rings and you HAVE to take the call that doesnt really sound like on call to me i read that as stand by and you should be getting paid. Our contract pays half time for stand by pay. If its an option to take the call that sounds like on call which no pay should be rendered sounds fair to me.

For the pay increase i think thats kind of chicken shit that they are going to require the hands to pay more for their benefits if they are staying the same. Now if they are asking for more money for better paid benefits health insurance coverage or better retirement matches or pay outs... Ok theres something to be considered. I hope these men get what they want.

From what i gather it seems a lot of union contracts have been extended or had minor changes benefiting the company for the last twn years and as of late seems arbiters are taking this into consideration and requiring the companies to bend more for the hands.
I would agree with your definition of " on call " versus standby " . In the elevator trade we work a normal 8.5 hour day but are on call for the 24 hour period unpaid unless we get a call . The state has determined that being on call does not allow for the company to keep me in a area our have a garunteed response time . Those 2 criteria would change it to being on standby . Granted the line is blurred and that is a state law not federal which I'm sure the rail road would fall under . 30 and out sounds really nice too . We our considered early at 58 years old . Good luck on the barging for a better way of life .
 

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Sounds like your on call status should be paid more like a stand by not on call. By that im saying if your phone rings and you HAVE to take the call that doesnt really sound like on call to me i read that as stand by and you should be getting paid. Our contract pays half time for stand by pay. If its an option to take the call that sounds like on call which no pay should be rendered sounds fair to me.

For the pay increase i think thats kind of chicken shit that they are going to require the hands to pay more for their benefits if they are staying the same. Now if they are asking for more money for better paid benefits health insurance coverage or better retirement matches or pay outs... Ok theres something to be considered. I hope these men get what they want.

From what i gather it seems a lot of union contracts have been extended or had minor changes benefiting the company for the last twn years and as of late seems arbiters are taking this into consideration and requiring the companies to bend more for the hands.
No contract in 3 years, no cola either. We are paid for our trip at a trip rate of pay. Bentprops with 25 years makes the exact same money i do for a run and I’m 19 years, a student i had in march that marked up to work in May of this year, he gets paid the same as well as each of us, not saying that’s a bad thing at all, but we have to expect the phone to ring at anytime. I’ve been in a situation i showed to work the next evening, went to sleep to the phone ringing 30 minutes later. I had been awake for nearly 20 hours when that phone rang cause i worked the whole night before getting home that morning and pushed through the day to be with my family, and than sat on a train another 12 hours before seeing a pillow. And that’s a common occurrence.

By federal law I’m allowed to move that train up till the 12th hour of duty, and have had to sit on a train and babysit it while “dol” meaning cannot do anything but sit there, for a total of 7 more hours, and we’ll that paid the same as had i made the trip in 8 hours.

It’s far too much to ever explain because there are variables that make no sense to those that have never been out there and that’s not a derogatory it’s just how it works.
 

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I would agree with your definition of " on call " versus standby " . In the elevator trade we work a normal 8.5 hour day but are on call for the 24 hour period unpaid unless we get a call . The state has determined that being on call does not allow for the company to keep me in a area our have a garunteed response time . Those 2 criteria would change it to being on standby . Granted the line is blurred and that is a state law not federal which I'm sure the rail road would fall under . 30 and out sounds really nice too . We our considered early at 58 years old . Good luck on the barging for a better way of life .
30/60 i hired at 21, I’ll have 39 at 60 but cannot go till 60! The railroad doesn’t pay the retirement either as some said it’s all contributions via the Railroad Retirement Board.
They collected from my dad his whole career, he got 23 months paid and died, so that essentially banks the money for the next guy, or the guy that quits or gets fired 20 years in they paid in but won’t collect the 20 years worth they’ll get a tiny portion.
 

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30/60 i hired at 21, I’ll have 39 at 60 but cannot go till 60! The railroad doesn’t pay the retirement either as some said it’s all contributions via the Railroad Retirement Board.
They collected from my dad his whole career, he got 23 months paid and died, so that essentially banks the money for the next guy, or the guy that quits or gets fired 20 years in they paid in but won’t collect the 20 years worth they’ll get a tiny portion.
I understand . I started at 18 and the money goes to our investors too . We are allowed to pick to take half the pension draw monthly incase we go first then our spouse continues to get the money . If we draw full monthly and live one month that's it your spouse gets cut off and the money stays in the pension fund . Sorry your Dad did not get to enjoy the fruits of his labor .
 

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Employees deserve to have sufficient pay & time off. More employees will get that "days off" number up but at same time less OT for everyone. Double edged sword.
Either way, more employees or a strike garnering pay increases will bump prices up for consumer goods.
 

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The RR unions are brilliant. They know 8 weeks before the midterms is the perfect time to see if Biden will support them or not.
 

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No contract in 3 years, no cola either. We are paid for our trip at a trip rate of pay. Bentprops with 25 years makes the exact same money i do for a run and I’m 19 years, a student i had in march that marked up to work in May of this year, he gets paid the same as well as each of us, not saying that’s a bad thing at all, but we have to expect the phone to ring at anytime. I’ve been in a situation i showed to work the next evening, went to sleep to the phone ringing 30 minutes later. I had been awake for nearly 20 hours when that phone rang cause i worked the whole night before getting home that morning and pushed through the day to be with my family, and than sat on a train another 12 hours before seeing a pillow. And that’s a common occurrence.

By federal law I’m allowed to move that train up till the 12th hour of duty, and have had to sit on a train and babysit it while “dol” meaning cannot do anything but sit there, for a total of 7 more hours, and we’ll that paid the same as had i made the trip in 8 hours.

It’s far too much to ever explain because there are variables that make no sense to those that have never been out there and that’s not a derogatory it’s just how it works.
Dude i really feel for you guys. Sounds like a really crummy situation. You have guys like yourself and @bentprops and im sure theres more on here that genuinely care about your trade and the company has a substantial amount of money invested to to gettin you to where you are now. I would think the company would like to take much better care of yall. You're all much better men than i am i would tell them they could all pound sand.

I get it contracts make no sense to people who dont work under them. I get weird looks when explaining to people my contract too.

Im really praying for you guys to get all your asking for.
 

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Employees deserve to have sufficient pay & time off. More employees will get that "days off" number up but at same time less OT for everyone. Double edged sword.
Either way, more employees or a strike garnering pay increases will bump prices up for consumer goods.
Sadly there’s no such thing as OT at least on the road.
 

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If your contract is complicated ( which it sure sounds like it ) then your getting SCREWED !!

if your working you need to get paid No matter how long it takes! If your waiting for A call and on standby then that’s not your time it’s company time!

seems pretty easy in my world!

F the 2 weeks! Take 3 instead, I’ve heard the boating is great this time of year
 

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Kids a Leo, on call 1 week/month. Has to be in territory, ready to work 24/7 ( read sober and rested ), no pay unless called out. Not NEARLY as bad as the RR guys, but they kinda own him. If he goes ANYWHERE during on call, has to have all his stuff with him, ready to go on a moments notice, which makes it almost impossible to be with him - kids, friends, etc. He has to have his car with him, no one else in the car, and never leave his region - all on top of regular work, training, and tons of paperwork if he actually does anything.
 

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Is it crazy to think that it maybe time for a new career other than life on the rails?

Maybe you could learn to code?
I agree, i tell all my students to keep the job and jam out 5 years at max income. Stay home with folks and invest it all. After the 5 years the investments will pay them what the railroad does. Do it for 10 and they will never have to work for anyone again. Yes i listend to my own advice. Thats why when i get my 30 im out. To close to the finish line. ill be 51 with my 30.. wont get the retirment until 60 but i wont give them a sec more.I dont give them a sec more than i have to now. At least thats the plan. Who knows what tomarrow will bring.
 

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Kids a Leo, on call 1 week/month. Has to be in territory, ready to work 24/7 ( read sober and rested ), no pay unless called out. Not NEARLY as bad as the RR guys, but they kinda own him. If he goes ANYWHERE during on call, has to have all his stuff with him, ready to go on a moments notice, which makes it almost impossible to be with him - kids, friends, etc. He has to have his car with him, no one else in the car, and never leave his region - all on top of regular work, training, and tons of paperwork if he actually does anything.
thats us 24/7 365. unless we take our 2 24hr days off a month
 
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