Jet boat question for an idiot (When it comes to Jet Boats)

[nodigg]

Randy where are you? (HB Jet)

SUP RD?

1, So not knowing ANYTHING about adding performance to a jet boat, is there such a thing as adding a device for trimming up?
2. Will it actually help the top end on a boat (too big for a jet) set up, IE: a 23' Commander?
3. NO it's NOT mine! (Well, maybe it used to be)

Now to sit back and wait for the slings and arrow wrought by a forum post.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Yep.. place diverter! Manual or hydraulic

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

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[boatdoc55]

Yep.. place diverter! Manual or hydraulic

That may be debatable. 23' is a pretty big and heavy tub. It may help a little but is one going to notice it by the seat of their pants. Now on a "gullwing" bring it on!!

 

[Mandelon]

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"Performance" is a relative term. It will most certainly help the boat get up on plane faster. Maybe it might score you a tiny bit of top end improvement. But it will make driving the boat more fun.

 

[BingerFang]

Randy where are you? (HB Jet)

SUP RD?

1, So not knowing ANYTHING about adding performance to a jet boat, is there such a thing as adding a device for trimming up?
2. Will it actually help the top end on a boat (too big for a jet) set up, IE: a 23' Commander?
3. NO it's NOT mine! (Well, maybe it used to be)

Now to sit back and wait for the slings and arrow wrought by a forum post.

Yes a place diverter is available and yes it will more than likely help on the top end. By how much, that is debatable and really depends how much power the boat has. A diverter works the same way trim does on an outboard.

 

[nodigg]

Yep.. place diverter! Manual or hydraulic

So I always thought that was the case but got misled in to thinking it was just for show

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

As stated it acts like a trim on an out drive. My boat will actually slow down at full up but pulls the boat out of the water if it's getting thin. It runs it prak mph about a foot or 2 off the water.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

That may be debatable. 23' is a pretty big and heavy tub. It may help a little but is one going to notice it by the seat of their pants. Now on a "gullwing" bring it on!!

Mine is no small light weight..lol and it works well.. especially with the midrange porpoise when fully loaded..

 

[nodigg]

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"Performance" is a relative term. It will most certainly help the boat get up on plane faster. Maybe it might score you a tiny bit of top end improvement. But it will make driving the boat more fun.

I think you may have typed a reply but I can't see it in the runway :?

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So it not JUST for show?

 

[nodigg]

Mine is no small light weight..lol and it works well.. especially with the midrange porpoise when fully loaded..

We were just talking about the added advantage of quicker planing and adjustable trim for different loads/conditions

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

We were just talking about the added advantage of quicker planing and adjustable trim for different loads/conditions

It works well for exactly that. Mine is hydraulic on a dominator pump. Momentary switch on the steering whe.

 

[nodigg]

Mine is no small light weight..lol and it works well.. especially with the midrange porpoise when fully loaded..

So with a 454 and at about 330 h.p. - the 23' Hawk is doing about 50mph but definitely is running very flat on the surface and maybe a bit down and plowing water. Any thoughts on what could be gained speed wise? (In addition to the other gained advantages)

What boat are you running with a jet?

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"Performance" is a relative term. It will most certainly help the boat get up on plane faster. Maybe it might score you a tiny bit of top end improvement. But it will make driving the boat more fun.

SUP MANDY!

 

[nodigg]

O.K. I'm convinced. Now since I don't want to do it myself by trial and error. Shop recommendations in Havazoo or Norco area? Is the shop off the 15 in Norco still the best for jets?

 

[BingerFang]

So with a 454 and at about 330 h.p. - the 23' Hawk is doing about 50mph but definitely is running very flat on the surface and maybe a bit down and plowing water. Any thoughts on what could be gained speed wise? (In addition to the other gained advantages)

What boat are you running with a jet?


SUP MANDY!

Maybe 5 mph give or take. More importantly the boat will be running more efficient with the diverter up saving gas and getting a better ride.

 

[BingerFang]

O.K. I'm convinced. Now since I don't want to do it myself by trial and error. Shop recommendations in Havazoo or Norco area? Is the shop off the 15 in Norco still the best for jets?

Yes GS Marine (15 and Second) is still good for jet boats and can handle this for you.

G S Marine · 345 Adams Cir, Corona, CA 92882

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[JUSTWANNARACE]

Carrara 205 Elite. From the "neutral" position to the "sweet spot" I pick up about 5-7mph. From full up you can feel the boat pick up speed every time you hit the down button until you get the roost about a foot or so off the water.

 

[BingerFang]

Yes GS Marine (15 and Second) is still good for jet boats and can handle this for you.

G S Marine · 345 Adams Cir, Corona, CA 92882

★★★★★ · Boat repair shop

goo.gl

You can also call and go see Tim Place at Place Diverter in La Habra if you want to meet the man himself.

 

[King295]

O.K. I'm convinced. Now since I don't want to do it myself by trial and error. Shop recommendations in Havazoo or Norco area? Is the shop off the 15 in Norco still the best for jets?

Go straight to the source and have Tim install it. Located in La Mirada.

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[ka0tyk]

Carrara 205 Elite. From the "neutral" position to the "sweet spot" I pick up about 5-7mph. From full up you can feel the boat pick up speed every time you hit the down button until you get the roost about a foot or so off the water.

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well theres your problem. get yourself a nice fat girl with some friends and tell em to sit in the front/back depending on how you want the boat to ride.

 

[RCDave]

Maybe 1-2mph on a hull that big with that engine

 

[GRADS]

I smell B.S. or a troll. There is no freaking way a jet boater doesn't know about a place diverter/jet-o-vator....jet boaters come out of the womb knowing about rooster tails.

 

[ElAzul]

What's the setup now? Droop, ride plate, impeller, HP, etc?

 

[nodigg]

I smell B.S. or a troll. There is no freaking way a jet boater doesn't know about a place diverter/jet-o-vator....jet boaters come out of the womb knowing about rooster tails.

No to both sorry, just no idea what a jet is about. Now it you want to talk blowers, turbos, Blue Motors, Deck boats, outboards, Stipple Nickers or Op6 and
Cheetahs! HAH! ....
I still have no idea!

 

[nodigg]

What's the setup now? Droop, ride plate, impeller, HP, etc?

454 stock, about 330 H.P. as a guess.
American Turbine
No ride plate
1993 Commander 22.5 Hawk
No droop snoot
don't know the impeller size.

 

[PlumLoco]

It makes a HUGE difference in my 23.5 Wreidt Montara. Finding the sweet spot is easy but it will never be fast with the Olds 455 for motivation. It sure makes the rough water ride better though.

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

the diverter is helpful in the down position to get you out of the hole quicker and to smooth out ruff water.
the diverter is helpful in the full up position to make you look like a DORK...

 

[Wheeler]

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Is that the RoadRunner floating bar I see behind that killer roost?

 

[was thatguy]

As stated it acts like a trim on an out drive. My boat will actually slow down at full up but pulls the boat out of the water if it's getting thin. It runs it prak mph about a foot or 2 off the water.

Same with the Miller.
It’s definitely noticeable and felt seat of the pants. The boat will lay over if over trimmed.

But that sweet spot is there. Like you said, roost just off the water.
I can trim up and spray water a
Mile high, but it doesn’t make it faster.

To the OP, my boat is only19’.
I can’t say what you’ll see on a 23’ boat, but it’ll definitely do something. Hyd full set up will run you up to a grand $.
I also have a plate, shoe, loader, 2” droop with the hydraulic diverter and a potentiometer I installed for a working trim gauge.
It’s not just for show...that would be a Jetovator.

86 MPH here.

 

[Nordie]

It's a jet boat, but yes a place diverter will help. Kind of like trimming a boat, you'll feel some speed pick up when the diverter is trimmed in the right spot. They will also work to trim down and power through waves. Is it as effective as trim tabs or trim period? Probably not, but it does help.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Being able to trim Also helps rough water handling as well

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

to really impress all the women on the beach you need a Rooster booster....

only scrubs off about 10 mph of top end

 

[monkeyswrench]

I have a comparable boat, 21ft Commander open bow, usually at least wife, me, 3 kids and a load of crap. Motor is probably just shy of 400 horse. Berk jet with ride plate, single A impeller, and a place diverter...old school, manual lever. Mine will not throw the LAM roost, just the 3-4 footer when all the way up. The "tunability" seems to help quite a bit though. Ride and turning characteristics can be changed for water conditions. I can gain, or lose, several mile an hour by trimming the thing. Mine is not a light boat, and not real big on power, but it is noticeable.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Mine will not throw the LAM roost, just the 3-4 footer when all the way up.

3 or 4 ft? Hey MW, I just removed my droop snoot and have not run w/o it in a while. I believe the droop took away performance in my situation but it did kick up a crowd pleasing roost....peeps beg for it. FWIW, I have only seen one other jet here in Bama in the past 10 years.

Back t point, I zoomed into your pic and noticed you are running a wedge. I assume 7 degree.......please let me know....and you say 3-4 feet, but your pic say different...LOL

FWIW, here is me and the Mrs, and I curious to know what wedge you are running..... TIA

 

[River Runnin]

I just use these things!

Trim Tabs!

 

[PlumLoco]

I have a very heavy 23' jet. The diverter makes a huge difference in a variety of situations. I find it most useful in light to moderate chop as it pushes the nose down and the ride improves dramatically.

 

[monkeyswrench]

3 or 4 ft? Hey MW, I just removed my droop snoot and have not run w/o it in a while. I believe the droop took away performance in my situation but it did kick up a crowd pleasing roost....peeps beg for it. FWIW, I have only seen one other jet here in Bama in the past 10 years.

Back t point, I zoomed into your pic and noticed you are running a wedge. I assume 7 degree.......please let me know....and you say 3-4 feet, but your pic say different...LOL

FWIW, here is me and the Mrs, and I curious to know what wedge you are running..... TIA



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Not mine, no wedge or droop. I can't find a pic to save my life though...hear a droop can help though.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Not mine, no wedge or droop. I can't find a pic to save my life though...hear a droop can help though.

sorry my bad....got confused with @JUSTWANNARACE

 

[monkeyswrench]

sorry my bad....got confused with @JUSTWANNARACE

His is fast, shiny and trees in the backdrop...mine's slow, faded and desert in the backdrop

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

sorry my bad....got confused with @JUSTWANNARACE

If you are talking about mine, yes I did put a 8⁰ wedge in it.

No droop, ride plate, shoe, loader or anything else..

Those are on the "wishlist" lol

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

His is fast, shiny and trees in the backdrop...mine's slow, faded and desert in the backdrop

Well.. you got the "tree" part right.. but the "shiny and fast" part is left to interpretation..

But I'll definitely take that as a compliment