Is this racist?

[FROGMAN524]

We’re at Phoenix children’s hospital and my youngest son is having surgery. Every time I come here, and it’s been many times unfortunately, it seems 70-90% of the patient families are Spanish speaking only. You see and hear it throughout the hospital from the parking garage to check in to the waiting room and pre-op and post-op.

Granted this is central Phoenix which is basically north Mexico, but I’m astonished every time I come here that this seems to be the case.

Do white kids not need surgery? Do English speakers not need surgery? Almost everybody that works low level, I.e. front desk/check in, registration, techs, maintenance, janitorial and such are all Spanish speaking as well and then from nurse level and up are mostly all white and Asian, including two of our surgeons and our anesthesiologist.

It’s always convenient that the “registration” person who wants payment always comes into the room at the worst time demanding money and something tells me, not everybody has insurance or pays, but they suspect I will, and I do.

Please opine

 

[jesco]

Delt with the same thing with my son at CHOC..... Its not racists, its just not easy to accept that in a room FULL of people you are the only one thats gonna actually pay their bill and get hosed because the rest aren't. Its not a skin color thing, its a financial responsibly thing that is getting your blood to boil. I had to really get in a good head space and tune it out before going in there some days.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Sorry to hear that you have spent so much time in the facilities. I can relate to that. Perhaps it is that the Spanish speaking families are coming into the hospitals from Mexico for the best care for their kids. I know that I have person ally done that in my life for a couple of reasons. Also know of a Hawaii family that spent quite a bit of time in Boston to help their child overcome a few issues.

And finally yes you are racist!! j/K

 

[FROGMAN524]

Sorry to hear that you have spent so much time in the facilities. I can relate to that. Perhaps it is that the Spanish speaking families are coming into the hospitals from Mexico for the best care for their kids. I know that I have person ally done that in my life for a couple of reasons. Also know of a Hawaii family that spent quite a bit of time in Boston to help their child overcome a few issues.

And finally yes you are racist!! j/K

My parents’ neighbors always used to go to Mexico for dental work because it was cheaper and they were retired and only had Medicare. Not sure I’d risk it and will just make my deductible/co-pay here.

 

[BHC Vic]

We’re at Phoenix children’s hospital and my youngest son is having surgery. Every time I come here, and it’s been many times unfortunately, it seems 70-90% of the patient families are Spanish speaking only. You see and hear it throughout the hospital from the parking garage to check in to the waiting room and pre-op and post-op.

Granted this is central Phoenix which is basically north Mexico, but I’m astonished every time I come here that this seems to be the case.

Do white kids not need surgery? Do English speakers not need surgery? Almost everybody that works low level, I.e. front desk/check in, registration, techs, maintenance, janitorial and such are all Spanish speaking as well and then from nurse level and up are mostly all white and Asian, including two of our surgeons and our anesthesiologist.

It’s always convenient that the “registration” person who wants payment always comes into the room at the worst time demanding money and something tells me, not everybody has insurance or pays, but they suspect I will, and I do.

Please opine

This is why I liked Kaiser better than ppo. Corona regional is more like you say and Kaiser was a little more white power. I’m American but my family came from Mexico. Is what it is.

To add I feel like if you don’t have insurance you would go to corona regional and not a kaiser.

 

[92562]

I worked for several years at Loma Linda and being church owned, we had TONS of patients coming up from Mexico for free care. I saw some of the most bizarre pediatric cancers that we suspect must have been from water/food/genetics or something that our kids in America are not exposed to.

 

[monkeyswrench]

PCH is the best at what they do. Been there a lot for one of mine. ER, procedures, and enough tests that the kid may set off a geiger counter. The hospital takes all insurance, from the low end to the high end. That means the clientele is as varied as the insurance. Try not to focus on the languages or the insurance stuff...bigger fish to fry. I hope your kid is ok, and everything goes well.

 

[FROGMAN524]

This is why I liked Kaiser better than ppo. Corona regional is more like you say and Kaiser was a little more white power. I’m American but my family came from Mexico. Is what it is.

To add I feel like if you don’t have insurance you would go to corona regional and not a kaiser.

When I was in California, we never had a problem with Kaiser, but they don’t operate outside the state of California. I don’t think.

 

[Ziggy]

A $20k invoice to insurance equals $1000. if you're paying cash.

 

[BHC Vic]

When I was in California, we never had a problem with Kaiser, but they don’t operate outside the state of California. I don’t think.

I think they are in Washington and Oregon. I could be wrong

 

[monkeyswrench]

A $20k invoice to insurance equals $1000. if you're paying cash.

In the past, I've had some that were cut about 75%...not from PCH, our little podunk place out here. Luckily none of them were near 20k.

 

[FROGMAN524]

A $20k invoice to insurance equals $1000. if you're paying cash.

This surgery was about $17,500 to insurance with me making a payment of $1,000 co-pay today.

 

[FROGMAN524]

PCH is the best at what they do. Been there a lot for one of mine. ER, procedures, and enough tests that the kid may set off a geiger counter. The hospital takes all insurance, from the low end to the high end. That means the clientele is as varied as the insurance. Try not to focus on the languages or the insurance stuff...bigger fish to fry. I hope your kid is ok, and everything goes well.

Not focused on it, but it is an observation I’ve made.

They are very good and our care there has always been excellent from bottom to top. When they had a snafu with BlueCross BlueShield last year I was worried we’d have to find somewhere else to go that would take our insurance but fortunately they got it figured out just last month.

 

[lbhsbz]

Please opine

lol....no

 

[lbhsbz]

This surgery was about $17,500 to insurance with me making a payment of $1,000 co-pay today.

WTF....hangnail or something? I've never seen anything that cheap except maybe a blood test

 

[FROGMAN524]

WTF....hangnail or something? I've never seen anything that cheap except maybe a blood test

Hernia

That car accident a month ago was $35,000

 

[Looking Glass]

We’re at Phoenix children’s hospital and my youngest son is having surgery. Every time I come here, and it’s been many times unfortunately, it seems 70-90% of the patient families are Spanish speaking only. You see and hear it throughout the hospital from the parking garage to check in to the waiting room and pre-op and post-op.

Granted this is central Phoenix which is basically north Mexico, but I’m astonished every time I come here that this seems to be the case.

Do white kids not need surgery? Do English speakers not need surgery? Almost everybody that works low level, I.e. front desk/check in, registration, techs, maintenance, janitorial and such are all Spanish speaking as well and then from nurse level and up are mostly all white and Asian, including two of our surgeons and our anesthesiologist.

It’s always convenient that the “registration” person who wants payment always comes into the room at the worst time demanding money and something tells me, not everybody has insurance or pays, but they suspect I will, and I do.

Please opine

You & I are paying their BILL, Thanks "BRANDON" Look at California. This is breaking them.

 

[FROGMAN524]

You & I are paying their BILL, Thanks "BRANDON" Look at California. This is breaking them.

Medi-cal is in shambles, and if you look and what they spend money on in that state, with their absorbent taxes, you know why. Illegals are bankrupting our system as are legal leaches.

 

[SKIDMARC]

I don't know you, so I will not say you are racist or not. But if you google the definition, and consider what you are saying, you could be considered to have racial prejudice because you are assuming because they are Mexican or Hispanic and speak Spanish they do not have the ability or appropriate character to pay their bills. See below. I work in healthcare, and will say that all races and walks of life don't pay their medical bills. Ironically we have the hardest time getting payment from people who actually have the money, most patients who are struggling are honest about it and try to establish a payment plan. Which we have options for, including a foundation assistance program that they can see if they qualify for. I have had a number of patients try to get foundation assistance when they live in a 7 figure homes in very well to do neighborhoods. LOL

• the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
  "theories of racism"
  
  
  

 

[regor]

Please opine

 

[Ziggy]

In the past, I've had some that were cut about 75%...not from PCH, our little podunk place out here. Luckily none of them were near 20k.

Have a buddy who has spent some significant time at KRMC in the past year. Cash customer, so to speak. The discount is rather significant.

 

[530RL]

Of all live births in Arizona during 2021-2023 (average), 44.1% were Hispanic, 39.1% were White, 5.6% were Black, 4.3% were American Indian/Alaska Native and 3.8% were Asian/Pacific Islander.

Then combine those birth demographics with the fact that there are very high quality pediatric care facilities in major hospitals in higher socioeconomic areas compared to the geographic location of PCH.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Even though Ca is billions in the hole , Newsome is allocating like 3 billion more for UNDOCUMENTED illegals … you can’t make this up

 

[Sleek-Jet]

You & I are paying their BILL, Thanks "BRANDON" Look at California. This is breaking them.

According to Phoenix Children's annual report (at least the most recent I could find on the interwebs), they are running about a $200 Million dollar surplus, 1.5 Billion in Revenues against 1.3 Billion in expenses. They don't look broke to me.

 

[HNL2LHC]

When I was in California, we never had a problem with Kaiser, but they don’t operate outside the state of California. I don’t think.

Kaiser is NOT in AZ. That is a challenge for a few friends of ours that moved from CA with Kaiser. For a few years they would travel back to CA for Kaiser visits. They are starting to think about making the switch over to another option in AZ. I sure do miss Kaiser it has been at least 10 years since it was no longer an option for us. That being said I feel we were blessed that we could no longer be in their system. I can’t imagine how things might have turned out with the wife’s brain tumor removal through Kaiser. They certainly are not at that level. I’d hope that they would have pushed out of the system and approved the costs of UCSF. Thank god I did not have to find out the answer at such a tough time in our family’s life. :thum

 

[Caydens Cat]

try going to the pediatric ER in San Diego. Many Mexicans use the ER for regular services. There’s a no “turn-away“ policy here in CA. Because many do not have primary care, this is their best/only option… aaaand they do not need to verify payment or intent to pay to receive said services. But your damn sure I get hit up to the “T” each and every visit.

first world problems

 

[FROGMAN524]

According to Phoenix Children's annual report (at least the most recent I could find on the interwebs), they are running about a $200 Million dollar surplus, 1.5 Billion in Revenues against 1.3 Billion in expenses. They don't look broke to me.

If 530 agrees, that’s bad

 

[Joker]

A $20k invoice to insurance equals $1000. if you're paying cash.

Had an MRI last month, cost 3200. Insurance covered 1K, we had to pay the balance. Getting a cat scan Monday, just paying 250 out of pocket in order to save money.

 

[Sherpa]

Money schmoney.

In California with the great Oz, err, Newscum,
He’s asking to dig into the general fund to the tune of 2.3 Billion (with a B) to help out Medicare due to the illegals blowing up hospital costs.

Notice nowhere did I mention about any creation of a “fix” for said problem, just keep borrowing to keep it as it is. A slow moving train crash.

 

[Looking Glass]

You & I are paying their BILL, Thanks "BRANDON" Look at California. This is breaking them.

According to Phoenix Children's annual report (at least the most recent I could find on the interwebs), they are running about a $200 Million dollar surplus, 1.5 Billion in Revenues against 1.3 Billion in expenses. They don't look broke to me.

I don't recall quoting Phoenix Childrens. I said California is Billions in the Hole and BEGGING our government for a BAILOUT.

Actually I don't care if it is only "1" illegal receiving Free anything, we have Millions of Veterans and other Tax Paying Americans who Need Help and are not receiving it.

 

[FROGMAN524]

I don't recall quoting Phoenix Childrens. I said California is Billions in the Hole and BEGGING our government for a BAILOUT.

Actually I don't care if it is only "1" illegal receiving Free anything, we have Millions of Veterans and other Tax Paying Americans who Need Help and are not receiving it.

The VA is a disaster.

 

[Sherpa]

My bad. Corrected money grab is 2.8 billion..

 

[Looking Glass]

The VA is a disaster.

\\I agree, BUT!! what does that have to do with giving Tax Payer $'s to LAW BREAKERS?

 

[PlanB]

try going to the pediatric ER in San Diego. Many Mexicans use the ER for regular services. There’s a no “turn-away“ policy here in CA. Because many do not have primary care, this is their best/only option… aaaand they do not need to verify payment or intent to pay to receive said services. But your damn sure I get hit up to the “T” each and every visit.

first world problems

Every time I have had to go to the ER in San Diego I go to Scripps La Jolla. It's definitely a better experience because of it being a wealthy area.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Every time I have had to go to the ER in San Diego I go to Scripps La Jolla. It's definitely a better experience because of it being a wealthy area.

My wife’s cousin is an anesthesiologist at scripps La Jolla. He has a nice view of Torrey Pines.

 

[PlanB]

My wife’s cousin is an anesthesiologist at scripps La Jolla. He has a nice view of Torrey Pines.

The hospital rooms facing the water are like a 5 star hotel.

 

[FROGMAN524]

The hospital rooms facing the water are like a 5 star hotel.

Oh yeah. He says it sure beats his residency in Eerie, PA